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Traitor Trump

Discussion in 'Politics Forum (Local/National/World)' started by Alton, Apr 13, 2017.



  1. Alton

    Alton Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    Thanks don Chump. At least you aren't Killary...are you?
     
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    TAEZZAR LADY JUSTICE ISNT BLIND, SHES JUST AFRAID TO WATCH Midas Member Site Supporter

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    Alton, give us a little more.
    Trump has done some good & has no doubt, screwed up, but "traitor", not yet .
     
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    Dont like whats going on one bit, no hes praising nato
     
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  4. Alton

    Alton Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    Pretty upset at time of post.

    China's not a currency manipulator?
    Syria is an enemy (Bashar al-Assad must go)
    Russia?!?

    On the international scene don Chump has effectively backed out of every campaign promise/statement regarding international affairs. How soon we forget, eh.

    On the domestic scene we have pizzagate/pedogate where the "little fish" have been busted then...nothing. On the Fast and Furious gov gun-running , the feds arrested a MEXICAN for shooting the border patrol officer yet Eric Holder remains free and unentangled by any legal proceedings.
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/04/1...ggerman-in-border-agents-murder-arrested.html

    The following is from a WSJ interview:
    In a WSJ interview and a subsequent press conference, Trump either shifted or completely reversed positions on a number of foreign and economic policy decisions, including the fate of the US Dollar, how to handle China and the future of the chair of the Federal Reserve.

    Goodbye strong dollar and high interest rates

    In an announcement that rocked currency markets, Trump told the WSJ that the U.S. dollar “is getting too strong” and he would prefer the Federal Reserve keep interest rates low. “I do like a low-interest rate policy, I must be honest with you,” Mr. Trump said. “I think our dollar is getting too strong, and partially that’s my fault because people have confidence in me. But that’s hurting—that will hurt ultimately,” he added. “Look, there’s some very good things about a strong dollar, but usually speaking the best thing about it is that it sounds good.”

    Trump then said the one thing that every other currency manipulator realizes all too well: “It’s very, very hard to compete when you have a strong dollar and other countries are devaluing their currency.

    During his campaign Trump had repeatedly said that a "strong dollar" policy would be beneficial for the US economy, despite our repeat warnings that he will inevitably reverse on this, especially if and when the "Goldman" circle of advisors starts providing macroconomic advice.

    It is unclear if the shift in Trump's policy will mean that US economic data will now "mysteriously" begin to deteriorate to justify not only his request for a weaker dollar, but to also hit the breaks on Yellen's plans for further rate hikes over the next 2-3 years. In any case, the debate over the Fed's balance sheet unwind, and the trajectory of Fed hikes, is now on indefinite hiatus.

    The biggest loser here, again, are America's savers who may have been hoping that their bank deposits will finally earn some interest.

    As for the most notable outcome from this Trump statement, is that it counters his "desire" for a weaker dollar with the Fed's tightening bias. Will fireworks fly as Trump realizes that Yellen's actions are prompting the strong dollar? Stay tuned for what may be the most entertaining clash yet: Trump vs Yellen.

    * * *

    Labeling China a currency manipulator

    Trump also told the Wall Street Journal that China is not artificially deflating the value of its currency, a big change after he repeatedly pledged during his campaign to label the country a currency manipulator.

    "They’re not currency manipulators," the president said, adding that China hasn’t been manipulating its currency for months, and that he feared derailing U.S.-China talks to crack down on North Korea. Trump routinely criticized President Obama for not labeling China a currency manipulator, and promised during the campaign to do so on day one of his administration.

    Trump's declaration also means that Peter Navarro may as well pack his bags, as the Goldman economic advisory team has now won its contest with the "Bannon nationalist" circle.

    * * *

    Yellen's future

    Trump also told the Journal he’d consider re-nominating Yellen to chair the Fed's board of governors, after attacking her during his campaign." I like her. I respect her,” Trump said, “It’s very early.”

    Trump called Yellen “obviously political” in September and accused her of keeping interest rates low to boost the stock market and make Obama look good. “As soon as [rates] go up, your stock market is going to go way down, most likely,” Trump said. "Or possibly.”

    * * *

    Export-Import Bank

    Trump also voiced support behind the Export-Import Bank, which helps subsidize some U.S. exports, after opposing it during the campaign.

    “It turns out that, first of all, lots of small companies are really helped, the vendor companies,” Trump told the Journal. “Instinctively, you would say, ‘Isn’t that a ridiculous thing,’ but actually, it’s a very good thing. And it actually makes money, it could make a lot of money.”

    Trump’s support will anger conservative opponents of the bank, who say it enables crony capitalism.

    * * *

    NATO

    Finally, Trump said NATO is "no longer obsolete" during a Wednesday press conference with NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, backtracking on his past criticism of the alliance. During the campaign, he frequently called the organization "obsolete," saying did little to crack down on terrorism and that its other members don’t pay their “fair share.”

    “I said it was obsolete. It is no longer obsolete," the president said Wednesday.

    Trump has gradually become more supportive of NATO after it ramped up efforts to increase U.S. and European intelligence sharing regarding terrorism. Trump still insisted that NATO allies “meet their financial obligations and pay what they owe.” He said he discussed with Stoltenberg his desire that allies put 2 percent of their gross domestic products into defense by 2024.
    ...........................................
    Though don Chump tries to play it all like it's ok and in harmony with his MAGA scheme, I call BS,

    I can understand taking a negotiating position but you don't do that with bombs. The US has neither right or authorization to intervene in the political actions of other countries. Syria is targeted to become a vassal of the dying US empire in it's quest for petroleum dominance precisely because no matter which way the LNG pipeline runs to Europe, Syria is THE crossroads for that pipeline. Control Syria and you control price and flow of energy to Europe and block Russia from possible control of price and flow. Furthermore, the US plan for the pipeline runs it through Turkey. This means the US MUST provide at least military protection for the pipeline which means permanent US military bases in Turkey AND in close range of Russia. BIG score for Uncle Sham and the Neocons! Which is another thing, why is don Chump "gettin' the band back together"? I was wistfully hoping the neocons would stay dispersed like cockroaches afraid of the light, yet here they are fully infesting the white house yet again. Is death by firing squad really too inhumane for these cretins?

    Don Chump is rapidly proving himself to be barely a step above Killary. All he needs is a few trips on the Lolita express, a couple of murders under his belt and a murky foundation to squirrel away dollars and sell promises for dollars to be like her. Backslide a little more and he will be there.
     
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    Let's not forget all the Goldman Sachs ties in his administration.
     
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    I understand, Alton. What I'm hearing from EVERY news source is so depressing that I've decided to go into political hibernation. Less Internet in my daily life. Turn off the CNN garbage. Spend more time riding my bike this spring and summer. I know that sounds irresponsible. But I'm already 71 years old and I want to enjoy my golden years.
     
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    Can anybody defend wishy, washy Teflon?. He changes more than the wind!
     
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    He seems to be making friends with the swamp that's for sure.

    If he was smart he'd replace Spicer with a minority. A black female or possibly a gay man. Make SNL and the media bash a gay or black and see how quickly that nonsense comes to a halt.


    I think I'm going to check out as well. Going out west to Mesa Verde and Yosemite on vacation in a month. Leaving the world behind ....besides, the good book I read says the only one that can truly drain the swamp is Jesus when he returns.


    The Lemon Pipers said it best.

    https://m.youtube.com/#/results?q=lemon pipers rainbow tree&sm=3
     
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    SilverCity Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    You mean this? "Drop your silvah in my tambourine..."

    Bad lip-sync from the past




    SC
     
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    Mr Paradise Midas Member Midas Member

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    "I'll take pennies anything........" lol

    Great song and great album from a much under appreciated band IMO
     
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    Traitor? Well, no.
    Extremely disappointing? Absolutely, yes.
    What was all that talk about keeping out of the middle east and concentrating on America? On our economy.
    Make America Great Again? I don't think so. More like make the military industrial complex even richer.
     
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    Although you have one year on him brother Merlin, that's probably what The Don is thinking too. "Hey, I'm not going to be around for long. May as well have some fun".
     
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    hammerhead Not just a screen name Gold Chaser

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    So if we aren't happy with him, is the left happy with him now? Or does everybody but the neocons hate him?
     
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    What has me stumped is the complete 180 turn. No one can say that he didn't know the risks of running as a America first campaign. What disappoints me the most is the deception. If he were really a AF as he stumped he should have known he could just take all these issues, Flynn, Russia, Nato and Syria to the public and he would have had people in the streets with rope looking for the neo c0ns and lamp posts.

    Obviously he decided that there will be no second term, as noway in h3ll he could get re-elected. I wouldn't be surprised if he just steps down and turns it over to Pence/Ryan. Maybe that was the plan all along, knowing he was the only one who could beat Hilda.
     
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    I said some time ago, as did others in all likelihood, that expectations were so high that disappointment was an all but certain outcome.

    Many were willing to vote as they did because it was a means to an end.

    Some said, "I oppose the vote-tax-spend system, but if by voting I get to see the wall built, it will be worth it!"

    Others said, "Well, I don't like the wall, but if he can keep the jobs from leaving, it will be worth it!"

    Some said, "I don't like the wall or the nationalism, but if that's what it takes to protect the 2nd Amendment, then it will be worth it!"

    Yet others said, "I don't like either the socialist bend in telling private companies where they must operate or else, but if that's what it takes to finally kick some ISIS butt, then it will be worth it!"

    And perhaps someone, at some point, migh think, "Well, I don't really support the wall, or the war, or the nationalist socialism... But if pretending I do is what it takes to get people to vote for me so I can do what I actually think should be done, then it will be worth it!"

    That's the practical outcome of believing the end justifies the means.
     
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    Bottom line is Donald Trump isn't a "straight talking, tell it like it is" Ron Paul.

    Many people simply fell for the talk and failed to look at the mans history. Don has been a con man for decades with his shady real estate practices and dealings with the mafia in jersey and NYC.

    I honestly don't know how people didn't see this coming.

    The only positive thing about Donald Trump was that he isn't Hillary. As time goes on he starts to look like her.

    I'm glad he won. He is the white obama. We can all see that it doesn't matter who sits on the White House. They are just a puppet. Maybe people will wise up and vote libertarian and say fuck the 2 party system.
     
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    The only ends I cared about was that whatsherface didn't get elected. At least with Trump there's no TPP and she is all in favor of even more strikes on Syria.
    Also, she'd be sayin' O'care is broken too, except her answer would be single payer.
    ...and like it says in my sig, we'd end up with a Supreme Court full of people that think like (shudder) Al Gore. Because I have a feeling that had she won, Ginsberg and old whatshisface would've been retiring very soon. That would mean a liberal leaning Court for decades to come. We'd be well and truly f'ed at that point, at least when it comes to having a Court that wants to uphold the actual intent of the Constitution in any manner at all.



    Edited to add:...and Trump is but one man. One imperfect man. To expect anyone, even Ron Paul, to be able to go to DC and "clean house" is fairy tale thinking. Be glad he did anything good. Back before the election I said that even if he tries to do half of what he promised and appoints a decent (read:non-liberal) SC Justice, he could spend the rest of his term golfing for all I care.

    Hell, I'd be happy if all he did was veto every Bill that crossed his desk for the next 4 years. These days, a gov that does nothing is preferable to one that does much of anything.
     
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    Well, they are one of the most politically powerful demographics in the swamp. They seem to control lots of central-ish bank (IMF, BIS. etc.) funds that go to governments too. Important stuff if you're dreaming of SDRs and secretly want to rule the world.

    Anyway, instead of MAGA we now get MAGBA (My Ass Gets Bent Again).
     
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    Don't worry, in 4 years the masses will switch to the democrats again, probably for 2 terms, then a new republican savior will be elected. You can therefore wait 12 years, get fooled again, or detach from politics Today, and be free of it all, forever. Forever and ever, Amen.
     
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    If you watch this shit day to day complete with the sky is falling media narrative you will make yourself crazy. Crazier. Whatever! I swear people have fried their attention spans right out of their brains nowadays.

    I figured he would piss me off and at other times make me very happy. So far so good, I wasn't expecting santa clause.
    And comparing Trump to hillary is just retarded. No offence to any honest retards reading this.

    The clinton foundation-Gone
    Many clinton and hussein staffers and cohorts are being investigated and possibly facing prosecution. Either way they thought they had the easy life and now are 100% out of business.

    Hillary would have appointed the most twisted freak possible to the supreme court.

    Mcconnell actually grew a set and delivered a sane conservative to the SC on time. In doing so he pointed a neon sign at lyin paul ryan's FAILURE. Heard from ryan lately?

    Jihadi's shot one of our special forces soldiers in fuckghanistan, bush and hussein's never ending war. The jihidi's then ran off to a massive mountain tunnel complex.
    Trump/Mathis dropped the biggest non nuclear bomb in the world on the tunnel complex. Neither bush nor hussein had the balls to do that. Not one fucking thing in that complex was worth one American life. About time our leaders thought like that.

    Trump has China scolding north korea. Un thinkable a few years ago.

    No, I'm not thrilled with everything he's doing but I also am not looking at hillary's corpse being propped up by hussein either.

    A year or so from now will probably look pretty good. But if not at least it's not boring.
    .
     
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    I'll take that bet.
    Granted, he needs to get back to America but he's dropped 59 bombs + 1 MOAB, acknowledges NATO and bluffs N Korea and all of sudden he's a traitor ? Really.
    He's letting the neocons and warmongers run the show.
    One man against thousands.
     
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    @ Irons...

    Dude. +1
     
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    Trump is working the left. Read the art of the deal. So he bombed an empty field, and collapsed a cave where the bad guys were hiding out.
    Big deal!
    I haven't given up on him.
    Expecting the Clinton's to be indicted any day now.
     
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    I think that you will be disappointed.
     
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    Reading blogs and news reports lately brings back a song from my youth.
    It plays in my head a lot lately.
    The lovely and talented Veruca Salt! Yes, many of you sound just like this! :lashing::winks2:

     
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    We can all hope you are wrong.
     
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    How do you beat the neo-cons at their own game? How can you make them let their guard down?
    READ THE FRIGGIN ART OF THE FRIGGIN DEAL!
    You sure don't beat them by meeting them head on.
    Finesse will win the day.
    He certainly has MSM coming around.
    You sure did not expect that!
    Patience, Grasshopper! All in good time!
     
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    The Libertarian party has a whole slew of bushclintonobamatrump globalists just waiting to abolish borders completely. Voting won't improve anything.
     
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    This 180 is not good. I wasn't expecting him to accomplish everything he promised, but I certainly wasn't expecting him to be championing the opposite of everything he promised.
     
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    Trump is cozying up to the enemy, but hopefully he has the skill to do that and still get what he wants. His recent military moves seem largely symbolic and may serve to keep us OUT of wars. We shall see. He did kill the TPP and got his nominee onto the Supreme Court. These moves should be long-term positive.
     
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    TAEZZAR LADY JUSTICE ISNT BLIND, SHES JUST AFRAID TO WATCH Midas Member Site Supporter

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    This only happened because mex. is truly afraid of Trump. That fucking POS holder (not worthy of a capital H)
    should be on death row for creating that mess !!

    Along with illegal entry down 70% & jobs/business on the rise.

    He may not be perfect, who is, but he sure as hell beats anyone else, that has been or could have been, in the position.
     
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    No offense taken, it's a step up from the 'moron' disclaimer Hypertiger used to use on us, so we are making progress.

    Ok, the left will always hate him because he spoke the truth during the campaign (thanks to Steve Bannon). The alt right will now hate him because he sold us a bill of goods.



    Who does that leave? Raytheon and a few other munitions manufactures. Maybe QVC if he starts hawking trinkets again.

    This is like finding out your wife is cheating on you.

    Yeah, suck it up. A lot of guys deal with it and they are usually the last to figure it out when it is obvious to everyone else.
     
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    For 8 years, I heard and read about the impending Obamacalypse (gun grabbing, sharia law by Christmas, etc) and while there were some very disturbing things that came out of DC, the worst of my fears (implanted by hysterical right-wing shills) never materialized. I'd say that the left is going through this exact same gyration right now....Trump is evil, Trump is a traitor, Trump is a fascist that's going to deport all non-whites by Christmas, etc. The reality will be something far, far less than what they are trying to (hysterically) make it out to be.
     
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    For 8 years, I heard and read about the impending Obamacalypse (gun grabbing, sharia law by Christmas, etc) and while there were some very disturbing things that came out of DC, the worst of my fears (implanted by hysterical right-wing shills) never materialized. I'd say that the left is going through this exact same gyration right now....Trump is evil, Trump is a traitor, Trump is a fascist that's going to deport all non-whites by Christmas, etc. The reality will be something far, far less than what they are trying to (hysterically) make it out to be.
     
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    Hysterical right-wing shills? Stop talkin' bout my mama...j/k

    SC
     
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    TAEZZAR LADY JUSTICE ISNT BLIND, SHES JUST AFRAID TO WATCH Midas Member Site Supporter

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    Trump got in because he is a NON-politician, a businessman.
    Trump is playing a different game than what we are used to seeing. He is being more patriotic & truthful than
    political. This is throwing many people off kilter, because we are used to a politician.

    Trump is doing things that we don't like, but maybe because we don't understand his end game or motives.
    Remember he has not yet finished his first 100 days.

    Trump is the best we had available from the "list", let's give him a bit of slack before stoking the coals.
     
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    That's a good attitude to have if you want to engage in politics at the voter only level, the only attitude to have unless you want to come away from the experience bitter and resentful, or worse, in a state of cognitive dissonance.
     
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    http://www.internationalman.com//articles/heavily-armed-swamp-critters

    By our calculation, it took just 76 days for President Trump to get on board with the Clinton-Bush-Obama agenda.

    Now there can be no doubt where he’s headed. He’s gone Full Empire.

    Not that it was unexpected. But the speed with which the president abandoned his supporters and went over to the Deep State is breathtaking.
     
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    Ron Paul was the first and only candidate I supported all my life I been voting against one not for the other. I am not pleased with what is going on but the clintons are not in the white house. I just wanted to see her in the other big house. Should have known she would never make it.
     
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    70 something days in, and President Trump aint turned the USA around completely.

    Seems like some of you boys think life is like a John Wayne movie, and it all gets fixed up in 90 minutes ?

    Seems reality is a little more complex, and thats what the president has run into. Think about it this way, some distinguished Senators are able to double their net worth of millions over the course on one term. Then think just how many there are, and how many years they've been at it. I'd have to think it'll take a good while to dislodge those who hope to keep on the gravy train ?
     

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