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Trump accuses Obama of wiretapping Trump Tower

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  1. the_shootist

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    Check this out my GIM2 brothers and sisters!



    http://victuruslibertas.com/2017/03/...on-resurfaces/

    As Promised By Our DHS Insider – FBI ANON Resurfaces!

    Posted on March 5, 2017 by Admininstrator

    As promised by our DHS insider earlier this week, our FBI insider surfaces with information on #ObamaGate and a Spring Purge. If you heard our interview with Robert David Steele, he also spoke of a Spring Purge. This all falls together like pieces of a puzzle. Below is the latest question and answer by FBI Anon:


    Q. Thank you for talking with us. What do you think of Trump’s allegations against Obama?


    A. In the worlds of the Carpenters, “its only just begun”


    Q. So was Trump wiretapped as our DHS insider and Robert Steele suggest
    A. Yes.


    Q. Why?
    A. Wrong question


    Q. Ok, by whom?
    A. Trump tower was bugged by more than just our IC.


    Q. WHAT[​IMG]?? Could you elaborate?
    A. Brits, Israeli’s. In the fullness of time, much will be revealed


    Q. Why the Brits?
    A. The same reason as the Israeli’s. Trump is a threat to the Deep State. The Deep State is a threat to Trump. Globalists are the populations bee keepers. They harness the energy, they harness the honey. Controlled oppression.


    Q. So why do you and other insiders leak to us and others?
    A. Because once in a while, a bat needs to be taken to the bee hive.


    Q. So you want the bees swarming?
    A. In a manner of speaking. We leak, so that the people may have a just outrage and demand a just result. The People outnumber the Government 300 to 1. It’s a numbers game. We expected high level arrests to happen weeks ago, but discovered the bee keepers had interfered at the highest levels. There is an internal war within our Government, as many know. The Shadow State is like a vampire facing dawn. They do not go easily into sunlit areas.


    Q. So why did the Israeli’s bug Trump
    A The same reason they keep close tabs on Jared Kushner, who I fully expect will be let go by Trump soon. There is too much liability with Kushner. Kushner has pressure from the Israeli lobby and Trump knows he is a delivery boy for AIPAC. The Israeli’s bugged Trump because they were concerned about Bannon, America First, the possibility that with a Trump win, they would see their foreign aid cut, which by the way, is going to happen.


    Q. What do you think of David Seaman? Is he a Mossad asset?
    A. Never heard of him.


    Q. How will this all play out?
    A. We are entering a time of political purge – the likes of which has not been seen for decades, if not centuries. Trump has the evidence he needs to launch an investigation into a myriad of DC collusions. He must concentrate on the communications between Lynch, Bill Clinton, Obama, and Brennan. He needs to get serious with the pedophilia investigation because he can bring down his enemies in one fell swoop. McCain, Graham, Obama, Bill Clinton, and so on… His greatest tools include the Wiener file titled “Life Insurance“. (Names, dates, photo’s, videos) and the Epstein videos captured by NSA when they were being delivered to Israeli intel, Wiener and Epstein.

    But, his greatest tool is the collective rage of the People.
    Trump must prosecute #PedoGate. The relationship between Schumer and Wiener must be explored. It may lead to some stunning climaxes, if you can excuse the pun.


    Q. This is huge!
    A. As I said before, there is enough underbelly rot to collapse not only our Government, but collapse the Likud part in Israel and expose a huge political pedophile ring that exists in the US, UK, Asia, etc. All inter-connected. And that’s not even venturing into the extortion aspect.


    Q. Will it get bloody?
    A. Lets just say its flag weather.


    Q. Any advice for Trump?
    A He who hesitates is lost…..
     
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    The evidence has already been out there. The wiretaps were ordered, it's a matter of record. (see above in my previous post for more details)
     
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    So Trump knew of this for a while. Even used it to put out false leaks.

    TIMELINE :

    What we know now:
    1, The Intelligence Community -at the direction of President Obama- made a request to a FISA court for the NSA to spy on Donald Trump in June 2016. It was denied.
    2, In October the Intelligence Community (NSA) -at the direction of President Obama- made a second request to the FISA court for the NSA to spy on Donald Trump. It was approved.
    3. At around the same time (October), as the second request to FISA, (Def Sec) Ash Carter and (DNI) James Clapper tell President Obama to dump NSA Director Mike Rogers.
    4. A week after the election, Mike Rogers makes a trip to Trump Tower without telling his superior, James Clapper; which brings about new calls (November media leaks to WaPo) for President Obama to dump Mike Rogers. Did he tip off Trump at this time? Interesting.
    5, According to the Executive Order rule changes DNI James Clapper signed off on December 15th.
    6. General Michael Flynn spoke to the Russian Ambassador on December 29th
    Dec 29th 2016 – Obama announces sanctions on Russia.
    7, VERY IMPORTANT January: Obama expands NSA sharing. As Michael Walsh later notes, and as the New York Times reports, the outgoing Obama administration “expanded the power of the National Security Agency to share globally intercepted personal communications with the government’s 16 other intelligence agencies before applying privacy protections.” The new powers, and reduced protections, could make it easier for intelligence on private citizens to be circulated improperly or leaked.
    8. Jan 3rd 2017 – Loretta Lynch signs off on rule changes for phone taps.
    9. Jan 12th 2017 – WaPo reports On Phone Calls Anonymous Intel Sources
    10. Jan 15th 2017 – VP Pence appears on Face the nation.
    11. Jan 20th 2017 – Inauguration
    12. Jan 23rd 2017 – FBI reports nothing unlawful in content of Flynn call
    13. Jan 26th 2017 – Sally Yates (acting DOJ) informs President Trump there might be a conflict between VP Pence’s stated TV version (was told by Flynn), and what Intel community communicate to Yates that Flynn actually expressed to Russia.
    14, Jan 27th 2017 – White House counsel begins investigation to discrepancy.
    15 January: Times report. The New York Times reports, on the eve of Inauguration Day, that several agencies — the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the National Security Agency (NSA) and the Treasury Department are monitoring several associates of the Trump campaign suspected of Russian ties.
    Occam’s Razor. NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers didn’t want to participate in the spying scheme (Clapper, Brennan, Etc.), which was the baseline for President Obama’s post presidency efforts to undermine Donald Trump and keep Trump from digging into the Obama labyrinth underlying his remaining loyalists. After the October spying operation went into effect, Rogers.....unknown loyalty was a risk to the Obama objective. 10 Days after the election Rogers travels to President-Elect Trump without notifying those who were involved in the intel scheme.
    Did NSA Director Mike Rogers wait for a SCIF (Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility) to be set up in Trump Tower, and then notify the President-elect he was being monitored by President Obama?


    feel free to add or correct
     
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    A little stale as it's from Jan 11th but contains a lot of information.

    by ANDREW C. MCCARTHY
    January 11, 2017 3:02 PM
    @ANDREWCMCCARTHY


    The idea that FISA could be used against political enemies always seemed far-fetched. Now it might not be.

    Remember the great debate over “the Wall” following the 9/11 attacks? “The Wall” was a set of internal guidelines that had been issued by the Clinton Justice Department in the mid 1990s. In a nutshell, the Wall made it legally difficult and practically impossible for agents in the FBI’s Foreign Counter-Intelligence Division (essentially, our domestic-security service, now known as the National Security Division) to share intelligence with the criminal-investigation side of the FBI’s house. Those of us who were critics of the Wall — and I was a strenuous one, beginning in my days as a terrorism prosecutor who personally experienced its suicidal applications — made several arguments against it.

    My favorite argument, which I have repeated countless times, centered on how preposterous were the underlying assumptions of the Wall. This was far easier for prosecutors than journalists, academics, and the public to grasp, because we dealt with the Justice Department’s different chains of command for criminal and national-security investigations.

    Alas, after 20 years, I may have to revise my thinking.

    The theory of the Clinton DOJ brass in imposing the Wall was the potential that a rogue criminal investigator, lacking sufficient evidence to obtain a traditional wiretap, would manufacture a national-security angle in order to get a wiretap under the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). A traditional wiretap requires evidence amounting to probable cause of commission of a crime. A FISA wiretap requires no showing of a crime, just evidence amounting to probable cause that the target of the wiretap is an agent of a foreign power. (A foreign power can be another country or a foreign terrorist organization.)

    The reason the Wall theory was absurd was that a rogue agent would surely manufacture evidence of a crime before he’d manufacture a national-security angle. The process of getting a traditional wiretap is straightforward: FBI crim-div agents and a district assistant U.S. attorney (AUSA) write the supporting affidavit; it gets approved by the AUSA’s supervisors; then it is submitted to the Justice Department’s electronic-surveillance unit; after that unit’s approval, the attorney general’s designee signs off; then the AUSA and the FBI present the application to a district judge. FISA wiretaps, by contrast, go through a completely different, more difficult and remote chain of command. In it, the district AUSA and FBI crim-div agents who started the investigation get cut out of the process, which is taken over by Main Justice’s National Security Division and the FBI’s national-security agents. In other words, if we assume an agent is inclined to be a rogue, it would be far easier (and less likely of detection) to trump up evidence of a crime in order to satisfy the probable-cause standard for a traditional wiretap than to manufacture a national-security threat in order to get a FISA wiretap. No rational rogue would do it.

    But now, let’s consider the press reports — excerpted in David French’s Corner post — that claim that the Obama Justice Department and the FBI sought FISA warrants against Trump insiders, and potentially against Donald Trump himself, during the last months and weeks of the presidential campaign. It’s an interesting revelation, particularly in light of last fall’s media consternation over “banana republic” tactics against political adversaries, triggered by Trump’s vow to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate serious allegations of criminal misconduct against Hillary Clinton — consternation echoed by Senate Democrats during Tuesday’s confirmation hearing for attorney-general nominee Jeff Sessions.

    From the three reports, from the Guardian, Heat Street, and the New York Times, it appears the FBI had concerns about a private server in Trump Tower that was connected to one or two Russian banks. Heat Street describes these concerns as centering on “possible financial and banking offenses.” I italicize the word “offenses” because it denotes crimes. Ordinarily, when crimes are suspected, there is a criminal investigation, not a national-security investigation.

    According to the New York Times (based on FBI sources), the FBI initially determined that the Trump Tower server did not have “any nefarious purpose.” But then, Heat Street says, “the FBI’s counter-intelligence arm, sources say, re-drew an earlier FISA court request around possible financial and banking offenses related to the server.”

    Again, agents do not ordinarily draw FISA requests around possible crimes. Possible crimes prompt applications for regular criminal wiretaps because the objective is to prosecute any such crimes in court. (It is rare and controversial to use FISA wiretaps in criminal prosecutions.) FISA applications, to the contrary, are drawn around people suspected of being operatives of a (usually hostile) foreign power.

    The Heat Street report continues:
    The first [FISA] request, which, sources say, named Trump, was denied back in June, but the second was drawn more narrowly and was granted in October after evidence was presented of a server, possibly related to the Trump campaign, and its alleged links to two banks; [sic] SVB Bank and Russia’s Alfa Bank. While the Times story speaks of metadata, sources suggest that a FISA warrant was granted to look at the full content of emails and other related documents that may concern US persons.

    (A “US person” is a citizen or lawful permanent resident alien. Such people normally may not be subjected to searches or electronic eavesdropping absent probable cause of a crime; an exception is FISA, which — to repeat — allows such investigative tactics if there is probable cause that they are agents of a foreign power.)

    Agents do not ordinarily draw FISA requests around possible crimes. Possible crimes prompt applications for regular criminal wiretaps, because the objective is to prosecute any such crimes in court.

    Obviously, we haven’t seen the FBI affidavits (assuming they actually exist), and we do not know lots of other relevant facts. What we have, however, suggests that someone at the FBI initially had concerns that banking laws were being violated, but when the Bureau looked into it, investigators found no crimes were being committed. Rather than drop the matter for lack of evidence of criminal offenses, the Justice Department and FBI pursued it as a national-security investigation.

    In June, an initial FISA affidavit (obviously prepared by the FBI and the Justice Department’s National Security Division) was submitted to the FISA court. It is said to have “named Trump” — but we don’t know whether that means (a) his name merely came up somewhere in the text of the affidavit or (b) he was an actual target whom the government wanted to investigate under FISA (meaning eavesdrop, read e-mail, and the like).

    Even though the FISA standard is generally thought to be less demanding than the traditional wiretap standard (it is easier to show that someone may be colluding in some way with a foreign government than that he has committed a crime), the FISA court rejected the application that “named Trump.” Five months later, the Justice Department and FBI submitted a second, more “narrowly” drawn affidavit to the FISA court. The way the Heat Street report is written intimates that Trump is not named in this October application for FISA surveillance. The tie to Trump also appears weak: Heat Street says the FISA court was presented with evidence of a server “possibly related” to the Trump campaign and its “alleged links” to two Russian banks.

    To summarize, it appears there were no grounds for a criminal investigation of banking violations against Trump. Presumably based on the fact that the bank or banks at issue were Russian, the Justice Department and the FBI decided to continue investigating on national-security grounds. A FISA application in which Trump was “named” was rejected by the FISA court as overbroad, notwithstanding that the FISA court usually looks kindly on government surveillance requests. A second, more narrow application, apparently not naming Trump, may have been granted five months later; the best the media can say about it, however, is that the server on which the application centers is “possibly” related to the Trump campaign’s “alleged” links to two Russian banks — under circumstances in which the FBI has previously found no “nefarious purpose” in some (undescribed) connection between Trump Tower and at least one Russian bank (whose connection to Putin’s regime is not described).

    MORE FBI WHY WAS THE FBI INVESTIGATING GENERAL FLYNN? WHY REPUBLICANS LOSE THE NARRATIVE BATTLE: THE INSPECTOR-GENERAL GAMBIT THE MEDIA/LIBERAL OBSESSION WITH CONCLUSIONS

    That is tissue-thin indeed. It’s a good example of why investigations properly proceed in secret and are not publicly announced unless and until the government is ready to put its money where its mouth is by charging someone. It’s a good example of why FISA surveillance is done in secret and its results are virtually never publicized — the problem is not just the possibility of tipping off the hostile foreign power; there is also the potential of tainting U.S. persons who may have done nothing wrong. While it’s too early to say for sure, it may also be an example of what I thought would never actually happen: the government pretextually using its national-security authority to continue a criminal investigation after determining it lacked evidence of crimes.

    — Andrew C. McCarthy is a senior policy fellow at the National Review Institute and a contributing editor of National Review.

    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/443768/obama-fisa-trump-wiretap
     
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    I 'm guessing Hannity knows what they have against Obama.
     
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    The Basic Formula For Every Shocking Russia/Trump Revelation
    The basic formula for every breaking Trump/Russia story is essentially as follows:

    1. The New York Times or Washington Post releases an article that at first blush appears extremely damning.

    2. Anti-Trump pundits and Democrats react reflexively to the news, express shrieking outrage, and proclaim that this finally proves untoward collusion between Trump and Russia — a smoking gun, at last.

    3. Aggrieved former Clinton apparatchiks *connect the dots* in a manner eerily reminiscent of right-wing Glenn Beck-esque prognostication circa 2009.

    4. Self-proclaimed legal experts rashly opine as to whether the new revelation entails some kind of criminally actionable offense. (Recall the now-laughable certitude that felled National Security Advisor Mike Flynnviolated the 200+ year old Logan Act.) This latest version is the certitude that Jeff Sessions committed perjury, when that at the very least is highly questionable.

    (Probably best to at least read the relevant statute first.)

    5. The notion of Russian “collusion” being key to toppling Trump becomes further implanted in the minds of the most energized Democratic activists, as evidenced this time around by a troupe of protesters who showed up to the Department of Justice headquarters brandishing trademarked “Resist” placards, chanting “Lock Him Up,” and (as usual) hyperventilating about Putin. As I’ve written before, Trump/Putin theories are increasingly the top concern that plugged-in “Resistance” types bring up at the highly-charged town hall meetings that have received so much attention of late.

    6. Pointing out these glaring flaws in the latest anti-Russia frenzy is immediately construed by cynics as “defending Trump” or “defending Sessions” when it most assuredly is not. At least in my own case, it’s a defense of not getting enraptured by irrational hysterics to further short-term political aims.

    7. People who’d spent the past 12 hours frothing at the mouth gradually come to realize that their initial furor was probably overblown, and that a more sober look at the actual facts at hand reveal that the anti-Trump chorus probably got ahead of itself…again.

    8. Democrats who sought to capitalize on the uproar end up looking extremely foolish.

    9. It becomes “normalized” (that new favorite buzzword!) to cast any meetings or contacts with Russian officials as inherently sinister. Rather than just a basic function of a Senator’s ordinary duties, meeting with “The Russians” is increasingly viewed as evidence of nefarious intent, and perhaps participation in a grand global conspiracy.

    10. Political ineptitude and clumsiness (as was very probably the case with Flynn) gets interpreted as something more calculated than it really is. Sessions could’ve avoided this ridiculous controversy by saying something to the effect of: “I did not meet with any Russian officials in my informal capacity as Trump campaign surrogate, but I did speak with Russian officials over the course of my ordinary Senatorial duties.” The problem is, such an admission would’ve probably blown up into a big political snafu; Democrats would’ve seized on it as evidence of Russian collusion. So Sessions tried to lawyer himself out of trouble with an ambiguous comment during sworn testimony. This allowed him to sneak through the confirmation process, but created an even bigger political storm later.

    11. A Trump official’s least egregious quality ends up being portrayed as hismost egregious quality. There were any number of reasons to be highly worried about the presence of Mike Flynn in the Trump administration, from his bellicose posture toward Iran, to his outlandish views on the alleged threat posed by Islam. Conversing with the Russian ambassador about reducing tensions would very clearly not have been on the “reasons to be worried about Flynn” list. Likewise, Jeff Sessions is a troubling figure for a whole host of reasons, ranging from his hawkishly retrograde attitude about Drug Prohibition to his dicey history on racial matters. That he spoke to the Russian Ambassador in September 2016 would not be on the “reasons to be worried about Sessions” list.

    12. The overall political climate gets further degraded and warped without any commensurate upside.

    13. Repeat.
     
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    If Trump accepts it then he condones it! He's not going to accept it!
     
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    Don't follow you here with this^^^^^^^.
     
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    Why is Comey still FBI Director?

    Oh, I get it!

    Comey will be resigning very soon.

     
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    Trump plays his cards slowly and deliberately. It looks like he's accepting it now, but ultimately he will strike back (ex. remove Comey). I sure as shit have no precedence to go back to for the present goings on in government so I'm talking out my ass and sitting here watching it all unfold like the rest of us.
     
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    GREAT ANALYSIS OZZIE!!!!

    He nailed that fastball like Ceicil Cooper.
     
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    James Comey turns on Trump

    Corrected

    James Commie turns on Trump,
    he needs to be in prison with his comrades, Shillary and O'wheresyerbirthcertificate.
     
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    Cool! I could stand "...some stunning climaxes" about now...I'd sleep better.

    While looking through PEDOGATE details I came across the following:
    Old news - Pentagon declined to investigate hundreds of purchases of child pornography
    New news - Feds' proposed indictment loaded with child sex-abuse charges against Epstein | Miami Herald
    Notice the reason for cover up - To keep Tor hack source code secret, DOJ dismisses child porn case | Ars Technica
    Foley, Hastert And The Putrid Body Politic -- Science of the Spirit -- Sott.net
    McCain-Linked Nonprofit Received $1 Million From Saudi Arabia - Bloomberg
    See for yourself if you can stand it - McCain Institute - The McCain Institute for International LeadershipMcCain Institute
    This IS disturbing - Imported Child-Like Sex Dolls Arouse Strong Emotions in Norway
    This is an EXCELLENT article - Washington and America Implode at the Hands of a Treasonous, Obama-Led Shadow Government -- Puppet Masters -- Sott.net
    More "SpyWars" info - DHS Insider Warns "It's Spy Versus Spy" | Zero Hedge

    Time to get out yer HazMat suit 'cuz it looks like the feces will contact the rotating blades in ...5...4...3...
     
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    Thanks Alton, this from your link above.

    The traitors' war against Trump has Obama's born in Iran, longtime closest advisor
    Valerie Jarrett even moving into Obama's DC mansion again just two miles from the White House as the command center for their insurgency operations out to destroy the Trump presidency on their way to instigating a bloody civil war on US soil between their political left fighting against Trump's political right. The globalists have always leaned ideologically towards socialism and communism, and they're using their communist disciples like Obama and Jarrett to lead their treasonous government overthrow. As Obama and Jarrett's longtime mentors, communist Saul Alinsky and Obama's likely biological father and fellow communist Frank Marshall Davis along with fellow comrade-terrorist Bill Ayers couldn't be prouder. But once again the evildoers are on the wrong side of history and, at the end of the day, they will all be brought to justice as subversive American traitors.

    Patiently waiting !

    Noose.jpg
     
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    The kenyan can't be far from his handler.....
     
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    The FBI 'is still investigating "odd" computer link between Trump organization and Russian bank' as Comey briefs top lawmakers
    • Investigators say there was 'odd' activity between servers at a Russian bank
    • The servers were trying to look up contact information at Trump Organization
    • The discovery of the server links was first made last fall
    • FBI Director Comey briefed lawmakers on Capitol Hill on Thursday


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4299722/FBI-probing-computer-link-Trump-Russia.html#ixzz4avAFlHtZ
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
     
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    It's the cee eye aye using their masking technology to make it look like it's coming from Russia.
     
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    I can only imagine that Comey remains in his position for either, but not both of the following reasons:

    1. He really is assisting Trump behind the scenes.

    OR

    2. Trump is playing him and using him to trace the web of treason.
     
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    Now we have plenty of proof.

    And arguably, even the Dems and Neocon Repubs were tricked into believing the intel.
     
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    I will go with this one.
     
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    John McCain joins call for answers from Trump over Obama wire-tapping claims - as the House intelligence committee says the President must provide proof by MONDAY
    • McCain called on Trump to back up claim he was wiretapped by Obama
    • If there is no proof, McCain says Trump should retract the claim
    • House intelligence committee sent letter demanding Trump offer evidence
    • The letter was signed by GOP Rep Devin Nunes and Dem Rep Adam Schiff
    • Trump claimed last week that Obama had tried to tap him during his election run
    • No proof has been offered up to the media, but he continues to make claims


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    Poor johnny mcinsane. Like his pal nan pelosi he needs to be put to pasture.

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    I demand the traitor McCain resign immediately!

    See? That didn't work for me either so don't hold your breath John boy!
     
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    'Of course I don't have any evidence': Conway says she has no proof after floating theory that Obama administration spied on Trump Tower through TVs and microwaves – and insists she's not 'Inspector Gadget'
    • Kellyanne Conway has now said she had 'no evidence' for suggesting Trump Tower may have been spied on through TVs and microwaves
    • She said in an interview you can spy on someone through 'any number of ways'
    • She told the Bergen Record that surveillance can be through TVs and even microwaves
    • She claimed that alleged surveillance of Trump has gone beyond phone tapping
    • Conway was quickly ridiculed on Twitter over her microwave comments
    • President Trump claimed earlier this month that former President Barack Obama had Trump's 'wires tapped' before the November election
    • Calls idea of Trump campaign Russia connection 'attenuated'
    • Says people are 'screaming about Russia and the campaign and to what avail?'


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    Listened to the interview in the post above. Can honestly say I don't think Conway is playing with a full deck.
     
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    It doesn't even matter how bright and level headed she might be, the woman is being asked to do an impossible job.
     
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    Justice Department asks House Intel panel for more time to provide wire-tapping evidence - as White House officials back away from Trump's original claims
    • The Justice Department was supposed to hand over any documentation of Obama-era wire-tapping of President Trump to a House committee today
    • By Monday evening, however, Attorney General Jeff Sessions' spokeswoman said that the DOJ had asked for a delay
    • The House Intelligence Committee plans to investigate Trump's claims that his predecessor spied on him as part of a probe on the election year hacks


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    Press Secretary Spicer has a similar position. I don't know how he goes in front of the microphone with a straight face. Both Conway and Spicer have to defend Trump; I imagine there are times that's nearly impossible to do. Kudos to both of them :)
     
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    Yeah well look at some of the crap Pelosi and Waters have been spewing and get back to me about playing with a full deck.

    AN oldie but goodie:

     
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    Seems that Trump had to eat his words to protect a key ally. According to several sources quoted by Judge Nepolatano BO used a British spy agency to do the dirty work and to allow for plausible deniability.

    Something tells me that this story is going to have lots of twists, tweets and turns.
     
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    Seems to me all this is crap to keep us amused while shit happens in the background. Trump seems to have taken his foot off the accelerator and gone underground of late. Not making me feel warm and fuzzy about MAGA
     
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    House intelligence chiefs say 'no evidence' Obama had Trump Tower wiretapped but they'll grill FBI chief in public on explosive claims – and DOJ faces subpoenas over whether it asked for permission to snoop
    • Top Republican and Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee said Wednesday that they have seen no evidence of wiretapping at Trump Tower
    • President Donald Trump claimed on March 4 that the Obama administration had conducted surveillance on him during the 2016 presidential campaign
    • 'To date I've seen no evidence that supports the claim that President Trump made,' said Rep. Adam Schiff, the Democrats' ranking committee member
    • FBI Director James comey is set to testify in a hearing next Monday, and the two House intel committee leaders say they will subpoena him if he isn't forthcoming
    • Sen. Lindsey Graham is set to hold a hearing on Russian interference in the presidential election today, and wants answers before it begins
    • He wants Comey to provide proof of a warrant or say that none exists


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    Those of us who are older remember when you had to physically tap telephone wires if you wanted to listen in on conversations. I'm sure it's no longer necessary to do the job that way. Our government now can listen in on my conversations any time they choose to dial me up. But, in conversation I would probably use the term "wire tap" to describe even this more sophisticated surveillance. Are the media and politicians making too big a deal out of what is primarily a semantic issue?
     
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    FBI Director James Comey to testify before Congress on Monday about Trump's wiretapping claim and alleged Russian meddling in US elections
    • FBI chief is due to appear Monday before the House Intelligence Committee
    • Comey likely to face questions on Trump's allegation that Obama spied on him
    • Last week, a number of Republicans urged Trump to apologize to Obama
    • Key lawmakers said Sunday there is no evidence to suggest Trump's claim is true


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    https://www.infowars.com/nsa-documents-prove-surveillance-on-donald-trump-and-alex-jones/

    NSA Documents Prove Surveillance of Donald Trump & His Family
    Bombshell discovery shows targets of NSA's "Project Dragnet"
    Jerome Corsi | Infowars.com - March 19, 2017 1444 Comments

    WASHINGTON, D.C. – Infowars.com have obtained credible information from law enforcement sources regarding individual records of U.S. citizens under National Security Agency (NSA) electronic surveillance in the years 2004 through 2010 – a database that suggests both Donald J. Trump and Alex Jones were under illegal, unauthorized government monitoring during those years.
    Michael Zullo, formerly the commander and chief investigator of the Cold Case Posse (CCP), a special investigative group created in 2006 in the office of Joseph M. Arpaio, formerly the sheriff in Maricopa County, an Arizona State Certified Law Enforcement Agency, headquartered in Phoenix, Arizona, provided sections of the database to Infowars.com.


    The electronic surveillance database, provided to Zullo by a whistleblower in 2013, was apparently created by the NSA as part of the NSA’s illegal and unconstitutional Project Dragnet electronic surveillance of U.S. citizens, first revealed by news reports published in 2005, as further documented by the revelations of whistleblower Edward Snowden in 2013.

    Sheriff Arpaio and Chief Investigator Zullo have identified dozens of entries at various addresses, including both Trump Tower in New York City and Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach, Florida, under which Donald Trump was apparently under NSA electronic surveillance from 2004, during President George W. Bush’s term of office, through 2009, the first year of President Obama’s presidency.

    Electronic surveillance of Donald Trump was listed in the database for the following companies, locations, and dates:

    Trump International
    1 Central Park, NYC, NY
    2008

    Trump World Tower
    845 United Nations Plaza, NYC, NY
    No Date

    Trump Tower SAL
    108 Central Park, NYC, NY
    2007

    Trump Palace Co
    200 E. 69th Street A, NYC, NY
    2008

    Trump Entertainment
    725 Fifth Ave. FL, NYC, NY
    2007

    Trump Organization
    725 Fifth Ave. BSM, NYC, NY
    2009

    Trump Palace
    725 Fifth Ave., NYC, NY
    2004

    Mar-a-Lago Club
    1100 S. Ocean BL, Palm Beach, FL
    2006

    Trump International
    401 N. Wabash Ave., Chicago, IL
    2008

    Douglass Limousine
    239 Nassau St., Princeton, NJ
    2008

    Trump International
    3505 Summit BLV, West Palm Beach, FL
    2004

    Flights INC
    P.O. Box 196, Hamilton MA
    2004

    Trump International
    1 Central Park, NYC, NY
    2008

    Trump Hotels
    Huron Ave., Atlantic City, NJ
    No Date

    Trump National
    339 Pine Rd, Briarcliff, NY
    No Date

    Trump Plaza & C
    2500 Pacific Ave, Atlantic City, NJ
    2008

    Trump Palace Co.
    200 E. 69th St., NYC, NY
    2008

    Seven Springs
    66 Oregon Rd, Mount Kisco, NY
    2006-2008

    While attempts have been made to deny such domestic surveillance, reports from the New York Times in 2014 showed the Central Intelligence Agency had done just that by spying on a senate panel investigating the agency’s use of “enhanced interrogation.”
    In a 2016 article from The Guardian entitled, “‘A constitutional crisis’: the CIA turns on the Senate,” it is likewise noted just how drastic and widespread the CIA’s domestic surveillance operation was.

    As revealed from the Dragnet database, not only was Trump himself surveilled but so were numerous employees of his located at Trump Tower.

    Former CIA officer Larry Johnson recently joined the Alex Jones show to discuss how intelligence sources have stated that such surveillance of Trump during the presidential election in fact took place.

    Here is a partial list of the Trump employees that show up in the Project Dragnet database:

    • Patricia Hernandez, a Manager for the Trump Organization, was under NSA electronic surveillance at Trump Parc, Central Park South, in New York City, at phone 212-586-xxxx, date: 9/16/2008.

    • Mike van der Goes, a Golf Pro at Oceans Trails Golf Course in Palos Verdes, who was promoted to be general manager when Trump bought the course from the bank in 2005 and renamed it Trump National. Mike van der Goes was under surveillance at Trump National, 1 Ocean TRL, Rancho Palos Verdes, California, at phone: 310-265-xxxx, no date.

    • Carolyn Kepcher, a frequent guest on NBC’s television program “The Apprentice,” who was under NSA electronic surveillance when she was General Manager at the Trump National Golf Course in Briarcliff, New York, in Westchester County north of New York City, at 339 Pine Rd., in Briarcliff, New York, at phone 914-944-xxxx, date: 9/7/206.

    • Joe Traci, a Real Estate Property Manager at Trump New World Property Management, at 438 W. 69th Street, New York City, phone 212-769-xxxx, date: 11/12/2008; and at 5 12th Street, New York City, phone: 212-586-xxxx, no date.

    • Roger Socio, a Senior Project Manager, Trump Organization, Trump Tower, 725 Fifth Avenue, New York City, phone: 212-715-xxxx, 2/23/2009.

    • Bill Fichter, Residents Manager, Trump Organization, Trump Palace, 200 E. 69th Street, New York City, phone: 212-879-xxxx, date: 2/24/2009.

    • Florin Bogosel, Trump Park Avenue, 502 Park Avenue, New York City, phone: 212-223-xxxx, no date.

    • Grace Dunne, Trump Park Residence, 3770 Barger Street, Shrub Oak, New York, phone: 914-245-xxxx, date 1/26/2006.

    • Greg Bradley, Vice President, Trump Pavilion for Nursing and Rehabilitation, 9028 Van Wyck, East Richmond Hill, New York, phone: 718-291-xxxx, no date.

    All these employees appear to have been under NSA phone surveillance, plus various of them under financial surveillance as well.

    The Project Dragnet database suggests Trump was under surveillance not only for phone conversations, but also for financial information, including most likely bank account transactions, credit card transactions, and tax filings.

    Both federal and state law enforcement have had access to the Project Dragnet database, allowing widespread use for methods such as parallel construction. The practice, outlined in the 2013 Reuters article, “U.S. directs agents to cover up program used to investigate Americans,” reveals the breadth of information that trickles down to law enforcement from high-level intelligence agencies.

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    Also listed as under NSA surveillance in the period 2004-2010 was Trump’s former wife, Ivanka Trump at House of Ivanka, 10 East 64th Street, New York City.

    The Project Dragnet database also indicates that the NSA was conducting electronic surveillance on an extensive list of Trump employees in the years 2004-2010 – the only years for which Sheriff Arpaio had data.

    Alex Jones is listed as being under electronic surveillance for phone records, as well as under surveillance for financial records, in 2006. The address listed for Alex Jones in the NSA Project Dragnet database was correct for his residence at that time. So too, Alex Jones confirmed the phone number listed was also correct.

    Sheriff Arpaio and Chief Investigator Zullo have validated through law enforcement channels the validity of the name, address, and telephone numbers for the dates that appear in the Project Dragnet database.

    Sheriff Arpaio and Chief Investigator Zullo are prepared to share relevant information with appropriate federal law enforcement agencies, including the FBI, as well as the Department of Justice, Homeland Security Department, the White House, and members of Congress the Project Dragnet Database in whole, or in part, as it pertains to NSA electronic surveillance of Donald J. Trump and his various employee.

    Sheriff Arpaio and Chief Investigator Zullo also show up in the database, listed as being under both phone and financial surveillance.

    Zullo explained that he and Arpaio came in contact with the information from Operation Dragnet during an unrelated investigation that began in October 2013 and ended January 2015.

    A whistleblower by the name of Dennis Montgomery brought forward information that Montgomery alleges was collected while he was employed as a subcontractor for the NSA, working on various surveillance projects.

    Court documents do verify Montgomery was contracted by the NSA, in part to develop computer breaching software that has been utilized in government mass surveillance operations targeting American citizens without legal justification.

    While Montgomery’s credibility has been called into question, Zullo maintains that the amount of information provided by Montgomery related to Operation Dragnet was extraordinarily voluminous and that Montgomery had shared information with investigators in 2013 that is only now being revealed by media outlets.
     
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    FBI Director James Comey 'will rubbish Trump's wiretapping claims' when he testifies in Congress TODAY about probe into Russian 'election meddling'
    • FBI chief is due to appear Monday before the House Intelligence Committee
    • Comey likely to face questions on Trump's allegation that Obama spied on him
    • Sources close to Comey say FBI director will officially undercut Trump's claims
    • Last week, a number of Republicans urged Trump to apologize to Obama
    • Key lawmakers said Sunday there is no evidence to suggest Trump's claim is true


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    Pu$$y rinos.
    Want to start their own apology tour just like Clinton's.
     
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    To quote Bill Holter, over at JMineset,
    "True information is becoming very difficult to obtain, “they” are coming for your mind …DO NOT LET THEM have it! "

    The news will be back peddling over the Trump Russia connection.
    Give it another week or two and they will be back peddling the obamagate wiretapping.
     
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