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Trump Likely To Recognize Jerusalem As Israel's Capital

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    Holy shades of the end times Batman...............

    Trump likely to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital next week, says senior official, in move that would upend decades of foreign policy and could inflame tensions in the Middle East
    • Trump may order US embassy moved from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem Wednesday
    • That would give Israel's claim to the entire city de facto US recognition
    • Israel claims all of Jerusalem as its capital; Palestinians also claim it as theirs
    • At present the world does not officially recognize Israel's claim to East Jerusalem
    • It took that section of the city after a war with a group of Arab states in 1965
    • US presidents have kept the embassy in Tel Aviv to avoid recognizing the claim
    • Recognition will infuriate the Arabs, and undo attempts to broker peace
    • But the final decision has not yet been made, officials have claimed


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5137481/Trump-likely-recognize-Jerusalem-Israels-capital-week-official.html#ixzz506Hs8TYv
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    IMHO the City of Jerusalem should be a International City under it's own government. This City is too important to three of the world's major religions to be under the domination of just one Religion. Never mind the fact that half the city is war booty aka illegally occupied.
     
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    Israel would allow all faiths access to Jerusalem if they behave. Trump has told Palestine to get serious about peace efforts or get their embassy out of the US. No more games.Plus he will move our embassy to Jerusalem. What a guy.
     
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    Weird. I was prevented from entering Bethlehem at Christmastime by the IDF. Jews and Muslims were allowed in.
     
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    They may have done it for your safety.
     
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    Tonight Fox News showed the start of the Christmas celebration in Bethlehem. Showed fireworks and lighting of a Christmas tree in front of the Church Of The Nativity to celebrate Christian holiday. Maybe there was some trouble when you were there.
     
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    IMO, the only real solution is a 1 state solution. Freedom of religion in Israel...

    But the Jews don’t want that because the Arabs/Muslims will out populate them eventually.
     
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    The Jews uprooted an entire culture because 'muh promised land'. I'm struggling to understand how, as a victim of that I wouldn't be pissed as hell!
     
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    Trump tells Palestinian Authority's president that he WILL move America's embassy in Israel to Jerusalem – but no one knows when
    • U.S. embassies around the world are on heightened alert as President Trump mulls whether to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital
    • But Trump reportedly told Palestinian Authority president Mahmoud Abbas on Tuesday that he also plans to move America's embassy there
    • That news was reported by the PA's official news outlet after Trump and Abbas spoke on the phone
    • The White House isn't confirming it and the Palestinian news report didn't include a timeline for Trump's action
    • The possibility that Trump may recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital and move the embassy could spark violence all over the Middle East
    • Jerusalem is home to the place known to Jews as the Temple Mount and to Muslims as Haram al-Sharif – hotly contested holy sites


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5148449/Trump-tells-Palestinians-embassy-Jerusalem.html#ixzz50PexfmZD
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    'I cannot silence my deep concern': Pope Francis blasts Trump's upcoming decision to recognise Jerusalem as Israel's capital and prays that 'wisdom prevails' to avoid more 'cruel conflicts'
    • Pope Francis called for all to honour United Nations resolutions on Jerusalem
    • He said he 'cannot silence' his 'deep concern' over naming it as Israel's capital
    • The pope's comments came a day after he spoke Palestinian president Abbas
    • He also met with Palestinians involved in inter-faith dialogue with the Vatican


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5151265/Pope-slams-decision-call-Jerusalem-Isreals-capital.html#ixzz50TzKgo5p
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    This seems unnecessary and expensive.
     
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    Couldn't agree more.

    One question.............Why would an American prez give a fat rats ass where the capital of some middle eastern country is? Is he an Israeli stooge? Seems that every president from Bush on has been digging the US in deeper and deeper in that shit hole.
     
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    If Frank is against it I'm for it!
     
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    "Declaration Of War": Trump Jerusalem Decision Sparks Outrage, Warning Of "A Fire With No End In Sight"

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    by Tyler Durden
    Dec 6, 2017 8:28 AM


    Today at 1pm, president Trump will announce the U.S. recognizes Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, but will sign a waiver delaying the relocation of the U.S. embassy from Tel Aviv to there for 6 months. Trump's decision to unilaterally recognize Jerusalem upends decades of American policy in the Middle East and risks inflaming violence in an already-tense region. And sure enough, the announcement prompted an immediate - and furious - response sparking Arab, Muslim and European opposition to a move that risks violent protests.

    While Israel naturally welcomed the news, Palestinian officials declared the Mideast peace process “finished”, calling it a declaration of war, and Turkey announced it would host a meeting of Islamic nations next week to give Muslim countries’ leaders an opportunity to coordinate a response.

    Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas and Jordan’s King Abdullah II, warned him the announcement would have “dangerous” repercussions for regional stability. Separately, the Palestinian delegate to the United Kingdom said on Wednesday that President Trump's move to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel signals "a declaration of war" in the region. “He is declaring war in the Middle East, he is declaring war against 1.5 billion Muslims, hundreds of millions of Christians that are not going to accept the holy shrines to be totally under the hegemony of Israel,” Manuel Hassassian told BBC 4 Radio's "Today."

    The Palestinians seek east Jerusalem as the capital of a future independent state and fear that Trump’s declaration essentially imposes on them a disastrous solution for one of the core issues in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. “There is no way that there can be talks with the Americans. The peace process is finished. They have already pre-empted the outcome,” said Palestinian official Hanan Ashrawi. “They cannot take us for granted.”

    The U.S. decision “destroys the peace process,” added Palestinian Prime Minister Rami Hamdallah. Top Palestinian officials were meeting Wednesday to plot their course forward.

    Elsewhere, the Turkish government’s spokesman on Wednesday said that the United States’ decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel will plunge the region and the world into “a fire with no end in sight”.

    “Declaring Jerusalem a capital is disregarding history and the truths in the region, it is a big injustice/cruelty, shortsightedness, foolishness/madness, it is plunging the region and the world into a fire with no end in sight,” Deputy Prime Minister Bekir Bozdag said on Twitter. “I call on everyone to act logically, respect the agreements they signed and behave reasonably, avoid risking world peace for domestic politics or other reasons,” he said.

    Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said the “whole world is against” Trump’s move. He says that moving the embassy to Jerusalem would be a “grave mistake” and would “not bring any stability, peace but rather chaos and instability.”

    Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said on Tuesday that US recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital would be a “red line” for Muslims and “a big blow to the conscience of humanity.” The leader of NATO ally Turkey warned that the US taking such a step would force Ankara to sever diplomatic ties with the Jewish state. Erdogan has called for an emergency summit of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation on December 13 to discuss the possibility of Jerusalem becoming Israel’s capital.

    The Council of the League of Arab States released a statement calling the recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital an act of “open aggression” against “the rights of the Palestinian people and all Muslims and Christians.”

    Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has also blasted Washington's decision to relocate the US embassy to Jerusalem as a display of incompetence. "That they claim they want to announce Quds as the capital of occupied Palestine is because of their incompetence and failure," Khamenei said, using the Arabic name for Jerusalem.

    The Syrian government also weighed in on the planned move. "[The move] is the culmination of the crime of usurping Palestine and displacing the Palestinian people," a Foreign Ministry official told state news agency SANA.

    On Tuesday, Palestinian Christians in Bethlehem were spotted burning photographs of Donald Trump and holding signs reading “Move the embassy to your country, not ours,” and “Jerusalem, Palestine's heart, is not up to negotiations.”

    * * *

    The harsh global reaction cast questions about the feasibility of a brewing U.S. peace plan that is expected to be presented by the White House in the near future.

    The one winner, Israel, was happy with the outcome: Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, said on Facebook that “Our historical national identity is receiving important expressions everyday.” He said he would comment further later in the day. Other members of his Cabinet were more forthcoming. Education Minister Naftali Bennett, head of the nationalist Jewish Home party, praised what he called Trump’s “bold and yet natural” move.

    “The sooner the Arab world recognizes Jerusalem as our capital, the sooner we will reach real peace. Real peace that is not predicated on an illusion that we are going to carve up Jerusalem and carve up Israel,” Bennett told The Associated Press on the sidelines of the Jerusalem Post Diplomatic Conference.

    Other international leaders, however, swiftly criticized Trump’s plan.

    According to AP, Pope Francis said he was “profoundly concerned” and appealed that “everyone respects the status quo of the city.” China, which has good ties with Israel and the Palestinians, expressed concerns over “possible aggravation of regional tensions.” Two leading Lebanese newspapers published front-page rebukes of Trump.

    Britain’s Foreign Minister, Boris Johnson, who had already expressed concern about the U.S. decision, on Wednesday said it was now time for the Americans to present their peace plan for the region.

    Trump’s Mideast team, led by his adviser and son-in-law, Jared Kushner, have spent months meeting with Israeli, Palestinian and Arab leaders. Details of their long awaited plan remain a mystery.

    “Clearly this is a decision that makes it more important than ever that the long-awaited American proposals on the Middle East peace process are now brought forward,” Johnson told reporters in Brussels.

    In his speech, Trump was expected to instruct the State Department to begin the multi-year process of moving the American Embassy from Tel Aviv to the holy city. It remained unclear, however, when he might take that physical step, which is required by U.S. law but has been waived on national security grounds for more than two decades.

    The officials said numerous logistical and security details, as well as site determination and construction, could take three or four years to sort out.

    To that end, the officials said Trump would delay the embassy move by signing a waiver, which is required by U.S. law every six months. He will continue to sign the waiver until preparations for the embassy move are complete.

    The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity pending Trump’s announcement, said the decision was merely an acknowledgment of “historical and current reality” rather than a political statement and said the city’s physical and political borders will not be compromised. They noted that almost all of Israel’s government agencies and parliament are in Jerusalem, rather than Tel Aviv, where the U.S. and other countries maintain embassies.

    Still, the declaration of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital carries deep symbolic significance and could have dangerous consequences. The competing claims to east Jerusalem, the section of the city captured by Israel in 1967, have frequently boiled over into deadly violence over the years. East Jerusalem is home to the city’s most sensitive Jewish, Muslim and Christian holy sites, as well as its 330,000 Palestinian residents.

    * * *

    The United States has never endorsed the Jewish state’s claim of sovereignty over any part of Jerusalem and has insisted its status be resolved through Israeli-Palestinian negotiation.

    The mere consideration of Trump changing the status quo sparked a renewed U.S. security warning on Tuesday. America’s consulate in Jerusalem ordered U.S. personnel and their families to avoid visiting Jerusalem’s Old City or the West Bank, and urged American citizens in general to avoid places with increased police or military presence.

    Israel is bracing for demonstrations in the West Bank, the Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem ahead of Trump’s announcement. The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) are preparing for violence after Hamas called for a “day of rage” in response to Trump’s controversial decision. The main demonstration is planned for Thursday afternoon at al-Manara Square in Ramallah. People from across the West Bank are expected to participate.

    On Wednesday, a large demonstration is scheduled to take place in Jenin. Israeli police and military are also preparing for demonstrations near the American embassy in Tel Aviv. Thousands of Israeli law enforcers are expected to be on duty in Jerusalem on Friday.

    Foreign governments are already anticipating violence. The German Foreign Ministry updated its travel advice for Israel and the Palestinian territories on Wednesday, warning that “from December 6, 2017, there may be demonstrations in Jerusalem, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Violent clashes cannot be ruled out."

    The US State Department also issued a travel warning, urging government employees and their families not to visit Jerusalem's Old City or the West Bank.

    As a result, many have speculated overnight if instead promoting peace, Trump's or rather Kushner's decision wasn't a catalyst for even more deadly fighting in the region, which would only ultimately benefit the US military-industrial complex.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-...sion-sparks-outrage-warning-fire-no-end-sight
     
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    Is official. Trump has done it.

    My take............we'll never leave the middle east and terrorist attacks against the US and Americans are gonna ramp up big time.

    Wouldn't it be neat to know the real reason he did it?
     
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    To get the sand negroes riled up and give Israel more to think about. Based on everything else I'm seeing, making nice with the Jews doesn't seem to fit into the overall plan he's been following. Time will tell
     
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    Democrats are also saying it was a poor decision even though there was a 90-0 vote for it 6 months ago in Congress. They just thought he would sign the waiver again. Whoops! Trump does what he promises. It's a good message for North Korea and might prevent a future miscalculation. If the muslims don't like it who cares? What have they ever done for us?
     
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    Don't think they've done anything for us. Now if you'd have asked what they have do to us...........that's a whole new ball game.

    On a different note............what have the Israelis done for us?
     
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    ‘Jerusalem is like a wife, you can’t share it’ – Israeli debates Arab on RT
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    Published on Dec 7, 2017
    US President Donald Trump announced Wednesday that Washington will officially recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Trump said the American embassy will move from Tel Aviv to the ancient city which has long been contested by Israel and Palestine.

    After the announcement, huge protests broke out across the Middle East, including in the West Bank, Turkey, and Lebanon. Meanwhile, Israel has praised Trump’s decision.

    RT discussed this issue with Ahmed al-Burai, a lecturer at Istanbul Aydin University, and retired colonel Reuven Berko, Arab affairs analyst for Israel Today newspaper.

    READ MORE: https://on.rt.com/8u54
     
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    Get ready for ‘de-Arabization of Jerusalem' ‒ fmr IDF soldier
    RT America



    Published on Dec 6, 2017
    President Donald Trump’s recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital bolsters the country’s “brutal occupation and brutal campaign of ethnic cleansing,” human rights activist and Israeli Defense Force veteran Miko Peled tells “News with Ed," adding that Trump “has no grasp” of what he has done.
     
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    TRUMP's Move To Jerusalem
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    Published on Dec 6, 2017
     
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    US decision is a threat to international safety’ – Bolivian UN ambassador
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    Published on Dec 8, 2017
    More than 100 Palestinians have been injured after protests across the West Bank and Gaza turned violent.
    The tensions spiked after US President Donald Trump's decision to recognize the capital of Israel as Jerusalem, which is also claimed by Palestinians.

    An international response against America's unilateral recognition of Jerusalem is gathering steam. The UN Security Council will hold a special meeting on the issue today.

    One of the instigators of the meeting was Bolivia. RT spoke to the country's UN envoy.
     
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    US ‘abandoning pretense’ of fair-handed Middle East policy – journalist
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    Published on Dec 8, 2017
    President Donald Trump’s decision to move the US embassy in Israel to Jerusalem is “a more honest version” of decades of US policy regarding Israel and Palestine because Trump’s stance is informed by both a powerful lobby in the US and hard right elements in Israel, filmmaker and journalist Dan Cohen tells RT America’s Ed Schultz.
     
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    Not sure if anyone posted this but there's a good documentary on Amazon video called Isreal: The royal tour.

    Learned a lot about that dusty shit hole that i didn't know. Ben Netanyahu co host the thing and it's a pretty candid look at the man himself.

    Highlights include the prime minister blowing out a knee on the soccer field 10 minutes in.

    Lots of historical stories, even ends with Bennie calling out a famous roman general that smashed the Jews in antiquity, telling him "were back".

    Scary stuff.
     
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    I am curious as to why the pope does not like this move? I think in all fairness Muslims have Mecca and medina. The Christians have Vatican. Why can't the Jewish people have one small place the Temple Mount? Gim has a discussion on the second temple
    Fomenting trouble and creating hatred must be an art for the special ones that want to loot everyone. Either Mr Trump is true to his word or is a puppet that is acting out his scene and doing whatever his being told by his handlers.
     
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    With ISIS getting finally crushed, doubt Trump will play games but rather really deal with peaceful muzzis based upon their actions not some PC Euro trash garbage strategy.
     
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    Stupid move by the Trump administration. We should have just stayed out of this crap.
     
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    I always said don't listen to what someone says..........watch what they do. This is not in our best interest. Solarion is right. We should have stayed outta this crap.

    On a different note.............it's almost like I'm seeing bible prophecy come true. Will be interesting to follow.
     
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    Does this mean we can't call Trump a nazi anymore?

    It must be difficult for the MSM jews to accept the fact that Trump is actually a Zionist.
     
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    lol Imagine their internal conflict. Well he is a rayciss woman hating orange bigot...but he does lick Israeli boot...perhaps we should make up a few less fake news stories about him.
     
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    Israeli warplanes batter Gaza with missiles after day of rage over Trump's Jerusalem announcement: Air strikes injure 15 after terrorists launched rocket attack
    • Terrorists fired rockets from the Gaza strip to Israel last night - one fell short, one was stopped, one hit city
    • In retaliation, Israeli warplanes hit Gaza with missiles targeting military bases and killing two Hamas members
    • Today Palestinian protesters march on Israel border after Trump recognised Jerusalem as Israel's capital


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5162139/Israeli-warplanes-batter-Gaza-missiles.html#ixzz50mFRLy00
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    'The US has crossed all the red lines': Head of Egypt's Coptic Church and Palestinian President will shun Mike Pence when he visits the Middle East in response to Trump declaring Jerusalem Israel's capital
    • Pope Tawadros II, the head of the Coptic Church of Alexandria, was due to meet Pence later this month in Cairo
    • On Friday, he announced that he now 'declines to receive' the Vice President
    • He said the decision by Trump to name Jerusalem Israel's capital 'did not take into account the feelings of millions of Arab people'
    • Egypt's top Muslim cleric, Ahmed al-Tayeb, has also refused to meet Pence when he visits
    • There were protests on the streets of Cairo when Trump announced he will move the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem
    • Israel's prime minister welcomed the decision and described it as a 'historic day'


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