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Trump offers help for critically ill British child

Discussion in 'Politics Forum (Local/National/World)' started by Goldhedge, Jul 4, 2017.



  1. Fanakapan

    Fanakapan Midas Member Midas Member Site Supporter

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    Its going to be a BIG ask to find others who will have the required machinery and expertise to keep the patient alive in order to offer alternative therapy.
     
  2. Son of Gloin

    Son of Gloin Gold Member Gold Chaser Site Supporter ++

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    But if they have it and are willing and able...?
     
  3. Fanakapan

    Fanakapan Midas Member Midas Member Site Supporter

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    Outside of Major healthcare orgs, its not going to happen, is it ?

    And despite the interest of President Trump, and US Congressmen, I'd bet money that no US health insurance group is going to set themselves up for the expense ?

    See, we come back to the point we started at. The reality of the childs condition means that no amount of raised expectation of medical capability, crowdfunded money, nor petition signatures (incantation), is likely to turn a sh1tty deal into a happy ending.
     
  4. Joe King

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    Perhaps not, but the point is, why deny them even the chance of trying? Why the draconian response by the State?


    Edited to add: if you're dying in the hospital and they say there is nothing they can do to help, you should be free to go eat dirt from your backyard if you believe it might help you. At that point, what would be the harm?
     
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    Son of Gloin Gold Member Gold Chaser Site Supporter ++

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    The only thing I can figure, Joe King is that they're afraid for their power and credibility.
     
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  6. Joe King

    Joe King Gold Member Gold Chaser

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    Certainly how it comes across.
     
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  7. Son of Gloin

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    It's certainly not going to happen if the powers that be won't let it. The fatalism surrounding this poor kid's case is disturbing.
     
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    There is 1.5 million reasons that NO US Health Insurance group has to get involved. The Parents already have $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ = No Insurance Required.
    What European Socialized Medicine fail to consider is :
    In the United States people CAN contract with the doctor of their choosing, Including specialists.
    In the United States people CAN contract with any hospital they choose.
    In the United States people CAN contract with any physical or occupational therapist they choose.
    In the United States people CAN contract with any dentist ( DDM/DDS/ Orthodontists ) of their choosing.
    ....

    Awhile back a friend of mind his wife got pregnant. He only carried Catastrophic Insurance. He had always negotiated with his wife's OB/GYN doctor yearly, strictly cash basis, Greenbacks no Checks. The doctor told him which hospitals he had Admitting Privileges and if my friend was not happy with those and found another hospital the doctor was willing work an agreement with that hospital.
    My friend found a hospital that the doctor already had Admitting Privileges at. He negotiated with the hospital all costs for his wife's delivery, a THREE Day Stay, and had the entire procedure PAID in FULL in ADVANCE of the Delivery, doctor and hospital.

    He always claimed that even with Catastrophic Ins. premium included he saved $1,400.00 compared to what the health insurance cos. pay and what they charged for coverage on a yearly premium. He said the hospital business office told him his cash payments gave him a better deal than Ins. Cos. get.

    Freedom of CHOICE, and Money Talks. Not Cattle Pens waiting for your Euro Number to be called.

    Ask all them Canadian Mothers who came South a few years back because Canada was short of delivery equipment and space. Those mom / families came to the US to deliver their babies safe and sound with NO Worries. - Jus' Sayin'
     
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  9. Fanakapan

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    Where's the Draconian response ? The hospital have said there's no more to be done, and lacking agreement from the parents to end life support, they went to the courts. The courts have weighed the evidence, and agreed that the machines can be switched off without the parents consent. The parents have been granted a stay on the basis of new information, and are presently awaiting judgement.

    All seems fairly organised to me.

    As for the ability to try other avenues, such as eating dirt. Seems a fair guess that without mechanical aid there wont be much of a chance to do anything much, as the kiddies condition is so far advanced that without intensive support things will wrap up pretty quickly.

    What might be disturbing about this thread is that it seems to show a very low opinion of Doctors and medicine across the pond ? Whilst I have little doubt that not all Doctors are medical geniuses, its a fair bet that the length of their training and apprenticeship period means that as a group they will demonstrate a far higher level of competence than other professional groups.

    Likely the Gouging of the American public by the HealthCo's has a lot to do with what seems to be a fairly widespread perception that Doctors in the USA a little more than Quacks whose main motivation is making money. Maybe something that the AMA ought to be worried about ?
     
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    The AMA is just a medical self-interest group IMO.
     
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    NICE attempt to spin the tale Fan.
    UNLESS
    You mean the low opinion of doctors and hospitals and .gov interference on the British side of the pond.

    If WORLDWIDE public opinion had not gotten into an uproar over this incident my bet is the child would already be dead. Parents grieving and questioning why .Gov, Hospital, and doctors got in their way when NO FINANCIAL EXPENSES, and No Legal Responsibilities would be incurred on their side.

    The Answer is all about .Gov control over people they view as CATTLE that .Gov can do to as they wish.
     
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    You can thank ObamaCare (attempt at socializing AMERICAN Medical issues).

    OBTW - Destitute Americans DO get medical treatment. Hospitals can NOT turn them away AND they have County Health Departments for less than emergency issues.
     
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    You ask, "where's the draconian response?" and then immediately spell out that response. lol
    Dude, the point is the State is declaring its Rights to the child greater than the parents Rights.
    The only "Rights" the parents have at this point is visitation and Right to beg the Court to reconsider that which they've already decided. Ie: it just puts off the inevitable Gov ordered plug pull.


    The analogy I was using was not based upon the child eating dirt, but rather if it were YOU who were laying in a hospital bed and had been told by the doctors there that they could do no more for you. At that point, should you be permitted to seek your own treatment elsewhere? Even if that "treatment" was only to go home and eat dirt because you (Fanakapan) believed it might help your condition.

    Ie: it was a hypothetical question intended to make you consider this issue from the perspective of it being you that was the one being denied the ability to try other alternative treatment in a bid to save your own life.


    Possibly so, but again why deny any chance to even try anything else? Where is the harm? Pulling the plug and causing death is the ultimate harm because you are intentionally taking action intended to cause the death of another.


    No, it shows that some people think parents should still have someting known as parental Rights.


    Such as the lawyers that the Courts are comprised of that will ultimately be the ones deciding from on high?
     
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    Bill O’Reilly: The Charlie Gard Case Is About Government Power

    Today, a U.S. doctor is examining 11-month-old Charlie Gard today in England. Dr. Michio Hirano of Columbia University Medical Center has treated others with conditions similar to Charlie’s. Charlie, who is believed to have mitochondrial DNA depletion syndrome, can’t respond, move or even breath on his own. The hospital wants to take him off life support on their own time and refuses to let him go home for what would be his last few hours. His parents, Chris Gard and Connie Yates, want to take him to the U.S. for a last-ditch effort to try to help him, but they have been blocked by British courts and the European Court of Human Rights.

    After a global backlash to the story, a British judge has agreed to hear evidence that taking Charlie to the U.S. for experimental treatment could improve his condition.

    According to Bill O’Reilly, who spoke with Glenn Friday on radio, Charlie’s case is about more than just his tragic medical condition.

    “It’s about power, it’s about euthanasia, it’s about abortion on demand, and the far left, the progressive left does not want those things questioned,” O’Reilly said.

    In an Orwellian statement, the hospital has said that “a world where only parents speak and decide for children and where children have no separate identity or rights and no court to hear and protect them is far from the world in which [Great Ormond Street Hospital ] treats its child patients.”

    O’Reilly also believes that those entrenched in the British health care system may too fearful now to admit wrongdoing, exposing cracks in the government-run program.

    audio feed at link:
    Source: http://www.glennbeck.com/2017/07/17/science-power-causes-brain-damage/?utm_source=glennbeck&utm_medium=contentcopy_link
     
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    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Pretty Much What We AMERICANS have been saying all along. :tired:
     
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    Exactly. It's all about gov power over the life and death of their perceived property.
     
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    Yep, O'Reilly knows what his profit source want to hear, thats for sure.

    They'd be the doctors union ?
     
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    That hospital, Britains NHS is losing the PR war. It's better for them to let the parents take the kid wherever. I am surprised as to why the media is interested in this story? What do they gain

    BTW the NHS, may not be sustainable and the govt may not have enough tax revenue to support the system and may be when there is outrage, it may be ripe to sell of govt assets/NHS to private owners and administer as the new owners deem fit
     
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    They've been sustaining it since 48, and every report of its imminent demise have thus far been 'Greatly Exaggerated' :)

    About the only thing that would cause a revolution here would be if a government threatened to 'Sell Off' the NHS.
     
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    Have they tried Robitussin?

     

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