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U.S. Radically Changes Its Story of the Boats in Iranian Waters: to an Even More Suspicious Version

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  1. TAEZZAR

    TAEZZAR LADY JUSTICE ISNT BLIND, SHES JUST AFRAID TO WATCH Midas Member Site Supporter

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    The truth is coming out, well maybe, actually the new lies are worse & even more unbelievable .
    Now they are talking about the reason for being in the wrong place at the wrong time is an error using their GPS data, Wait a minute, I am just a civilian with a little ole boat out in the ocean & I don't make mistakes like they are now claiming. WTF !!

    When news first broke of the detention of two U.S. ships in Iranian territorial waters, the U.S. media — aside from depicting it as an act of Iranian aggression — uncritically cited the U.S. government’s explanation for what happened. One of the boats, we were told, experienced “mechanical failure” and thus “inadvertently drifted” into Iranian waters. On CBS News, Joe Biden told Charlie Rose, “One of the boats had engine failure, drifted into Iranian waters.”

    Provided their government script, U.S. media outlets repeatedly cited these phrases — “mechanical failure” and “inadvertently drifted” and “boat in distress” — like some sort of hypnotic mantra. Here’s Eli Lake of Bloomberg News explaining yesterday why this was all Iran’s fault:

    Iran’s handling of the situation violated international norms. … Two small U.S. sea craft transiting between Kuwait and Bahrain strayed into Iranian territorial waters because of a mechanical failure, according to the U.S. side. This means the boats were in distress.

    Lake quoted John McCain as saying that “boats do not lose their sovereign immune status when they are in distress at sea.” The night the news broke, Reuters quickly said the “boats may have inadvertently drifted into Iranian waters” and “another U.S. official said mechanical issues may have disabled one of the boats, leading to a situation in which both ships drifted inadvertently into Iranian waters.”

    The U.S. government itself now says this story was false. There was no engine failure, and the boats were never “in distress.” Once the sailors were released, APreported, “In Washington, a defense official said the Navy has ruled out engine or propulsion failure as the reason the boats entered Iranian waters.”

    Instead, said Defense Secretary Ashton Carter at a press conference this morning, the sailors “made a navigational error that mistakenly took them into Iranian territorial waters.” He added that they “obviously had misnavigated” when, in the words of the New York Times, “they came within a few miles of Farsi Island, where Iran’s Revolutionary Guards Corps has a naval base.” The LA Times conveyed this new official explanation: “A sailor may have punched the wrong coordinates into the GPS and they wound up off course. Or the crew members may have taken a shortcut into Iranian waters as they headed for the refueling ship, officials said.” The initial slogan “inadvertently drifted” — suggesting a disabled boat helplessly floating wherever the ocean takes it — has now been replaced in the script by “inadvertently strayed,” meaning the boats were erroneously steered into Iranian waters without any intention to go there.

    It is, of course, theoretically possible that this newest rendition of events is what happened. But there are multiple reasons to suspect otherwise. To begin with, U.S. sailors frequently travel between Bahrain and Kuwait, two key U.S. allies, the former of which hosts the Fifth Fleet headquarters; these were familiar waters.

    Moreover, at no point did either of the ships notify anyone that they had inadvertently “misnavigated” into Iranian territorial waters, a significant enough event that would warrant some sort of radio or other notification. “U.S. defense officials were befuddled about how both vessels’ navigational systems failed to alert them that they were entering Iranian waters,” reported the Daily Beast’s Nancy Youseff on Tuesday night. Carter sought to explain this away by saying, “It may have been they were trying to sort it out at the time when they encountered the Iranian boats.” Not one sailor on either of the boats could communicate the “error”? Beyond that, “misnavigating” within a few miles of an Iranian Guard Corps naval base is a striking coincidence (the LA Times summarized an exciting and remarkable tale of how the boats were perhaps running out of gas, entered Iranian waters merely as a “shortcut,” experienced engine failure when they tried to escape, and then on top of all these misfortunes, experienced radio failure).

    What we know for certain is that the storyline of “mechanical failure” and “poor U.S. boat in distress” that was originally propagated — on which Lake exclusively relied to blame the Iranians — was complete fiction. At least according to the government’s latest version, the boats were working just fine. But, as always, the bulk of the U.S. media narrative was built around totally unverified, self-serving claims from the U.S. government, which, yet again, turned out to be completely false.

    Perhaps there are valid reasons why the U.S. military — while the sailors were still in Iranian custody — would falsely claim that the boats experienced “mechanical failure” and were in “distress,” as that would excuse an otherwise intentional act (one of the sailors in the video taken by Iran claimed they were “having engine issues”). But the fact that there is a good reason for the U.S. government to make false claims does not excuse the U.S. media’s uncritical regurgitation of them nor the construction of a narrative based on them depicting Iran as the aggressor; it may be shocking to hear, but the U.S. government and U.S. media are supposed to have different functions.

    This happens over and over. A significant incident occurs, such as the U.S. bombing of an MSF hospital in Kunduz, Afghanistan. The U.S. government makes claims about what happened. The U.S. media uncritically repeat them over and over. And then the U.S. government just blithely changes its story repeatedly, implicitly admitting that the tales it originally told were utterly false. But the next time a similar event happens, there is no heightened skepticism of U.S. government claims: its media treat them as Gospel.

    [​IMG]
    The behavior of the U.S. media in this case was downright embarrassing, even by their standards. CNN’s Erin Burnett openly and repeatedly suggested that this was a calculated move by Iran to humiliate the U.S. and Obama during his State of the Union address (as though Iran hypnotized the sailors into entering its territorial waters on cue). And more generally, this unauthorized trespass into Iranian territorial waters was continuously depicted as an act of Iranian aggression (contrast that with how the U.S. government suggested it would be in Turkey’s rights not only to intercept but to shoot down any Russian jet that even briefly traverses its airspace). Article 25 of the U.N. Convention of the Law of the Sea, titled “Rights of protection of the coastal State,” states that “the coastal State may take the necessary steps in its territorial sea to prevent passage which is not innocent.”

    All you need to know about the U.S. media is this: Just imagine what they would be saying and doing if two Iranian ships had entered U.S. territorial waters with no warning or permission, and then the Iranian government lied about why that happened. And that’s to say nothing of the massive apologia that spewed forth in 1988 when, in roughly the same areas as these ships “misnavigated” into, the U.S. Navy blew an Iranian civilian jet out of the sky, killing 290 passengers, 66 of whom were children, and then tried to cover up its responsibility.

    So, to recap the U.S. media narrative: when the U.S. Navy enters Iran’s territorial waters without permission or notice, and Iran detains them and then releases them within 24 hours, Iran is the aggressor; and the same is true when Iran aggressively allows one of its civilian jets to be shot down by the U.S. Navy. And no matter how many times the U.S. government issues patently false statements about its military actions, those statements are entitled to unquestioning, uncritical treatment as Truth the next time a similar incident occurs.

    Additional reporting: Andrew Fishman

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    https://theintercept.com/2016/01/15...an-waters-to-an-even-more-suspicious-version/
     
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  2. nickndfl

    nickndfl Midas Member Midas Member Site Supporter ++

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    The whole thing smells, especially the Iranian propaganda video. Still waiting for Part II to happen that will explain this event.
     
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    complete system failure.....yeah RIGHT. Keystone cops anyone? Bumbling bumblers? oh and apologies also. YEAH RIGHT.....

    *spesssst...checks in the mail*
     
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    the_shootist The war is here on our doorstep! Midas Member Site Supporter ++

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    I trust what the government tells me about as far as I can throw Chris "the doughnut man' Christie
     
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    michael59 heads up-butts down Site Supporter ++ Platinum Bling

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    try a taft for posterior I'll say you don't have to worry about a gutter ball if'n he is the one trowed.... maybe strikes on three lanes.....k, we'll have to get a special forklift attachment.... Maybe the not so secret service can just roll him down the bull-a-vard. and into the ocean so he can wash. lord knows the reason they shut down that on ramp is because he was supposed to go to nyc, yet no one could get him into the transport. Glad to see jenny craig is working for him.
     
  6. latemetal

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    Spy mission, hopefully we destroyed the equipment before we got caught...
     
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    Mujahideen Black Member Midas Member

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    Special ops fail is what happened.

    If some Iranian sailers "drifted" into American waters would insane mccain say the same thing?
     
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    This all smells fishy. WTF knows.....not us that's for sure. Check this out....



    Iran general scoffs: US sailors cried when we captured them
    Revolutionary Guards officer says servicemen briefly held this week were only released after ‘Americans humbly admitted our might and power’

    op Iranian general boasted Saturday that US sailors briefly held by the Islamic republic earlier this week were “crying” as they were taken in by his nation’s naval forces.

    Brigadier General Hossein Salami, deputy commander of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC), made the gloating remarks on the day that Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammed Javad Zarif was meeting his US counterpart John Kerry to finalize the lifting of nuclear sanctions on Iran.

    More at link. Comment section too.


    http://www.timesofisrael.com/iranian-general-us-sailors-cried-when-we-captured-them/
     
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  9. solarion

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    Good one general Salami. lol

    This is like a Jerry Springer episode. A bunch of lying, some boasting, some tears, and then someone gets bum rushed.
     
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    OP no link to story?
     
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    gringott Killed then Resurrected Midas Member Site Supporter

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    The best, and most likely true story, is that the female sailor insisted on stopping and asking for directions.

    /sarc
     
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  12. latemetal

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    Aha, we traded off some miscreants who violated sanctions and we got back some spies and sailors. We needed the sailor job to sell the con job to the American people.
     
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  13. TAEZZAR

    TAEZZAR LADY JUSTICE ISNT BLIND, SHES JUST AFRAID TO WATCH Midas Member Site Supporter

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  14. TAEZZAR

    TAEZZAR LADY JUSTICE ISNT BLIND, SHES JUST AFRAID TO WATCH Midas Member Site Supporter

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    From REO's link:
    “The Americans humbly admitted our might and power, and we freed the marines after being assured that they had entered the Iranian waters unintentionally and we even returned their weapons,” Salami also said.

    and we even returned their weapons - That just makes no sense, to return their weapons. If nothing else, it would be a trophy, of sorts, to the capturing troops.
     
  15. Unca Walt

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    And I bet the reason they never called their own US Navy is because they were not near any cell towers and had no signal bars.

    Sounds legit.
     
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    gringott Killed then Resurrected Midas Member Site Supporter

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    Anyway, Som Ting Wong & Ho Lee Fuk.
     
  17. TAEZZAR

    TAEZZAR LADY JUSTICE ISNT BLIND, SHES JUST AFRAID TO WATCH Midas Member Site Supporter

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    Here is what I think is a true accounting of the incident. T

    COVERUP? Former Navy Seal Calls BS on Obama’s Narrative of Iran Incident
    On Tuesday, the two small US Navy boats were en route from Kuwait to Bahrain, when Navy officials suddenly lost contact with the vessels. Soon after the boats were seized by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, the White House was unclear in their statements of exactly what happened. No distress call was made by either of the boats, but senior Obama officials began to speculate that the boats had either ran out of fuel, or had experienced mechanical difficulties, causing them to stray into Iranian waters.
    Following the bizarre event, one former Navy Seal Officer is speaking out against the White House’s narrative, and calling bullshit. Speaking exclusively to News Foxes, the former officer brought up some very thought-provoking points, which will leave you scratching your head in disbelief.

    “THEY LIED! They were NOT WASHED ashore like the LIE we were told!! I rarely pull out my dusty old trident, but in this case, here goes.

    I was a Navy SEAL officer in the 1980s, and this kind of operation (transiting small boats in foreign waters) was our bread and butter,” the unidentified former Navy SEAL officer stated.

    “Today, these boats both not only have radar, but multiple GPS devices, including chart plotters that place your boat’s icon right on the chart.

    [​IMG]

    The claim that the USN boats ‘strayed into Iranian waters’ is complete bullshit.

    For an open-water transit between nations, the course is studied and planned in advance by the leaders of the Riverine Squadron, with specific attention given to staying wide and clear of any hostile nation’s claimed territorial waters.

    The boats are given a complete mechanical check before departure, and they have sufficient fuel to accomplish their mission plus extra. If, for some unexplainable and rare circumstance one boat broke down, the other would tow it, that’s why two boats go on these trips and not one! It’s called ‘self-rescue.'”

    Obama officials continued to claim that Iran’s move to seize our Sailors was in no way a hostile move against the United States, but this former Navy officer believes the incident was not only hostile, but was planned out before our vessels even left Kuwait.

    “I think that the take-down happened in international waters. The Iranians would have known to THE MINUTE when the boats were leaving Kuwait, and their probable course to Bahrain, so an intercept would be simple. They know our ROE (Rules Of Engagement) which is ‘NEVER shoot unless you are fired upon first.’

    So, if the Iranians jam our boats so they cannot communicate, and then swoop in close, it’s almost a guaranteed outcome. They KNOW we won’t shoot first! So by coming in closer and closer with weapons aimed at our Sailors, overwhelming them with numbers at point blank, then on loudspeaker they say, ‘Step away from your weapons or we will slaughter you!’ At that point, it’s a fait accompli. Once our sailors step back from their guns, it’s over. Next, ‘Take off your jackets and weapons’ etc, until they are in t-shirts only. Then ‘Kneel down!’

    [​IMG]

    Step by step they get their way, based on a deep understanding of our ROE and our responses at ever stage.

    Once they have control of our boats, they can drive them to Farsi Island, and remove every single GPS device, radar, cell phone etc. Then, there can be no proof of where the attack happened. And worst of all, Obama and Kerry are happy to go along with the lie, in order not to upset the nuclear deal applecart.”

    So yet again, the Obama Administration is downplaying another international event, in an effort to save face, despite that fact that Iran clearly violated Article 13 of the Geneva Convention. Why exactly? Well given the unpopularity of Obama’s nuclear agreement with Iran, and the American people’s unfavorable view on his foreign policy, could you imagine the outcry of the American public if this was portrayed as a hostile and intentional plan on the part of Iran to seize our ships?

    Put that together with the fact that our Sailors were treated abominably and forced to surrender on their knees like prisoners of war, and then humiliated with Iran demanding the Sailors issue a public apology on video. Not to mention how they forced our female Sailor to submit to Sharia Law, immediately after being captured.

    Don’t think this was intentional? We’d love to hear your comments on the following questions: How did both boats, which each have two engines a piece, have mechanical problems that caused all four engines to fail at the same time? How is it that the Navy “lost contact” with the ships and why didn’t the crew of these boats make contact via other means? Why didn’t any of the other Navy ships in the area respond when contact was lost? Even if the engines failed, how did they drift so far off course and into Iranian waters, what happened to their radars and GPS equipment?

    Related story link at the source.

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    http://www.newsfoxes.com/2016/01/navy-seal-calls-bs-on-obama/
     
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    Sorry...the Geneva convention? They took a picture of American soldiers? Goodness, we should invade immediately. Our sailors look unharmed and relatively well cared for in said picture. Perhaps the Iranians classified the sailors as "enemy combatants" and so don't observe international "law" with respect to treatment of prisoners...kinda like how a certain other country treats detainees. No idea what happened, but thus far it seems the Iranians are behaving a whole bunch better than the USG would if the roles were reversed.

    Given the lies the Dept. of WAR tells in every single communique it seems likely we'll never know what really happened...in the interests of that most sacred of cows "national security". I'm just glad we're getting our men and woman back. Heck perhaps we could even spare a few of these sailors to IDK, maybe actually defend our borders? Nah.
     
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    Oh come on TAEZZAR.... these guys went out with out a plan as in a charted course. Yep they were dillie-dallowing on my dime(which I whole hardheartedly agree with,) yes they were out farting around and two, TWO boats f'ed it. Yeah never go diving with out your back up, in fact never go falling trees without some one else there....IN FACT never prospect in audits without some one knowing what U are doing..... and here we have a bunch of bumbling idiots sent out to do what ever it was.

    One boat failed, fine....two boats fail, ok but the f'n us navy not knowing or doing anything? NAW....I am seeing photo OP.
     
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    Here is my hypothesis. The two boats were sent on a mission to do spy stuff around Farsi Island, and everyone expected that they would get in and get out undetected. Then the commander at Farsi Island gets a message from Moscow, something like "Commander, there are two US light navy vessels at your island currently at these coordinates. You might want to send a ship out to see what they are doing."
     
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