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United Airlines Forces Passenger Off Plane Due Overbooking

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    ^^^ funny that CONgress is going to chat with United.

    They too should take customer service seminars...
     
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    Maybe they'll grill him over the rabbit.
     
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    Everytime I see one of these crazy lottery like payouts I think of the whopping cost to everyone else; with over 300 million people in the USA they are rewarding jerk immigrant crybabies who are always ready to make a big scene to try to shake down $$$ interests!
     
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    Looks like someone will be hitting the Delta lottery shortly.....................

    The moment a Delta pilot hits a woman in the FACE as he breaks up a fight between her and another woman that was causing chaos at Atlanta airport
    • A Delta pilot was caught on film striking a woman in the face on a jetway
    • He appears to have been trying to break up a fight between two passengers
    • The incident took place last week at the Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta Airport


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    What I think of is that maybe the entity that did wrong will fix things to so stuff like that doesn't ever happen again.

    This whole thing would have been a non-issue had the airlines required employees to show up just as early as they require you and me to be there before the flight.
    ...and I don't think the guy was looking for a big payout at the time of the incident. Had they just left him alone and honored their end of the carriage contract, there'd have been no issue.
     
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    What ever happened to flying the friendly sky?

     
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    Furious owner claims United Airlines CREMATED her giant bunny without consent after it died mysteriously on flight to Chicago
    • Simon the giant rabbit died in a holding facility at Chicago O'Hare Airport
    • He was shipped in reported healthy condition from London on Wednesday
    • He was bound for a new life in Iowa with a celebrity owner who just bought him
    • United Airlines staff allegedly stored the 3ft long rabbit in a freezer for 16 hours
    • His former owner learned Friday that the airline had cremated Simon
    • It is a fresh disaster for United following the violent ejection of a passenger


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    One of my points was that it was the guy's bad history which drew in the angry security guards, karma. Laugh about if you want but the guy from all evidence I have seen was a quack and deserved what he got. Probably no full blooded American would have had this happen. The damned immigrants are ruining the country and shaking down everyone with deep pockets.
     
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    The cops had no idea about who is is.
    ...and I'm sure that the flight crew assumed he would comply upon seeing the cops show up.

    Bottom line is that they had no Right to remove him from the plane for the reason they gave for having done so. Once you are boarded and given a seat, there are limited reasons you can be removed from the plane. That they need the seat for non-paying employees is not one of those reasons.
    Ie: United was in the wrong on this from the moment they first told him to get off the plane. His reaction to having been told to get off the plane is a moot point. By all accounts, including United's, he was not doing anything wrong to have been told to get off the plane.


    What he deserved was to be transported to Louisville as United agreed to do when they accepted his money as payment.


    Yep, we'd have probably just let them treat us like shit.

    Keep in mind that if everyone always did what they were told and never questioned authority, we'd be waaay more f'ed than we already are. Also, people always doing as they're told and not questioning is the kind of attitude that allows authoritarian governments to come to and stay in power.
     
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    Well put, JK! If the guy was a scumbag, it does not matter. What matters is how Untied Airlines went NAZI on a paid passenger who was already boarded. "Bumping" is not correct. That happens before boarding. He was forcibly evicted from his rightful occomodation. It is like a landlord renting to a tenant and then having the police remove the tenant because the landlord decided to give the place to a different tenant.

    Yes, the guy is a despicable asshole, but that does not change the story.
     
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    'We will do better': United CEO testifies in front of Congress and AGAIN apologizes for passenger drag fiasco
    • United Airlines CEO is testifying on Capitol Hill on Tuesday in Washington DC
    • His appearance comes nearly a month after David Dao was dragged off plane
    • United recently settled with Dao for an undisclosed amount of money


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    In-flight fight night! Two men brawl on a plane before one passenger is arrested after ‘choking’ a stewardess while being ejected
    • Video, filmed on a Japanese ANA flight on Monday, was posted online
    • Footage shows the men throwing punches at each other from their seats
    • One man shouts 'Someone help! This guy is crazy' as staff tried to separate them


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    American Airlines to cut legroom by two inches on new Boeing 737 jets - and bathrooms will also feel the pinch
    • Three rows on American Airlines' new 737 Max planes will have 29in legroom
    • The seat width will remain the same at 17.2in and there will still be a first class
    • The planes are set to take off later in the year and will be mainly used in the U.S


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    Delta agent 'smacks' 12-year-old boy's phone out of his hands as he filmed her in the airport giving excuses for 17-hour flight delay
    • Matthew Boggan was at La Guardia Airport headed to West Palm Beach, Florida, with ten of his family members on July 1, 2016, when their flight was delayed
    • A Delta agent attempted to settle angry passengers down at New York's La Guardia Airport
    • The 12-year-old filmed her as she spoke but she batted his iPhone 6s away
    • His parents accused her of 'child abuse' and are now suing the airline


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    Delta staff 'tell California couple they could be jailed and lose their children if their son, two, doesn't give up his seat' as they are ejected from flight in row over overbooking
    • Footage was loaded onto YouTube showing argument between staff and Brian Schear
    • He was flying with wife Brittany and two children when he was told two-year-old son Grayson had to give up seat
    • The family was forced to get off the plane after protesting about overbooking
    • Mr Schear said he was told couple would 'lose their children' if they did not comply


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    Australian man sues American Airlines for $100,000 after getting crushed by two obese travellers - and flight attendants refused to let him change seats
    • Man, 67, sues American Airlines after he was squashed between two passengers
    • Michael Anthony Taylor was stuck by two obese travellers for 14-hours
    • He claims staff refused to let him change seats on the flight to Los Angeles
    • The Wollongong man says he was forced to crouch, kneel, brace and stand
    • He is seeking $100,000 after he was left with permanent back and neck injuries


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    Airlines abuse passengers, and Washington weighs a crackdown — on passengers
    • By DANA MILBANK The Washington Post
    • 8 hrs ago


    WASHINGTON — This is what laissez faire looks like.

    Washington, in its wisdom, deregulated the airline industry and later looked the other way as it underwent a series of mega-mergers leaving a four-carrier oligopoly controlling 85 percent of the market. And what do we have to show for it? Reduced competition; packed cabins; tiny seats; proliferating fees for food, bags and flight changes; outsourcing of maintenance; boarding delays; higher fares in many cases; labyrinthine contracts that protect airlines rather than consumers; and routine overbooking.

    While airlines invest millions in perks for those who fly in premium classes, recent weeks have found United Airlines "re-accommodating" a paying passenger, a doctor, by hauling him off a plane, bleeding, to make room for United employees, and American Airlines suspending a flight attendant who allegedly hit a mother with a baby stroller.

    Congress summoned airline executives to testify Tuesday before the House Transportation Committee, and while they offered the requisite apologies for the highly publicized abuses of the doctor and the mom, they offered Orwellian rejoinders when confronted with the ordinary abuses they routinely inflict on millions of travelers.

    The overbooking that causes thousands to be bumped from flights they paid for?

    "We view overbooking as something that actually helps us accommodate and take care of thousands more customers than we would otherwise be able to," said United Airlines President Scott Kirby.

    The imposition of steep ticket-change fees?

    "They're mostly about our way of offering low fares to consumers," Kirby maintained.

    And will those checked-bag fees, imposed because of high fuel costs, go away now that fuel prices are low?

    Kerry Philipovitch, American Airlines' senior vice president of customer experience, said that "we put our fees in place to give customers more options and more choices."

    How considerate.

    Bob Jordan of low-cost Southwest Airlines explained why his airline, unlike the big boys, doesn't charge such fees: "If you're going to travel, it makes sense that you can bring your clothes along with you."

    The executives even used their appearance to request that Congress deregulate the industry further, asking for the government to privatize the Federal Aviation Administration — there is legislation pending to put the air traffic control system under the airlines' control — and to relax regulations on how airlines advertise fares. "Y'all place a lot of stuff on us," complained United chief executive Oscar Munoz.

    Such chutzpah at one time would have led legislators to re-accommodate the executives, United-style. But this GOP-controlled Congress, and the Trump administration, are all about relaxing business rules.

    "I don't believe in overburdening our businesses," Transportation Committee Chairman Bill Shuster, R-Pa., told the executives, saying only that Congress would act "the next time" if they don't police themselves this time.

    Rep. Brian Babin, R-Texas, assured the executives that "I don't like regulation if I can get away with it," while John J. Duncan Jr., R-Tenn., embraced the industry view that "more people are able to fly at lower prices because of overbooking."


    With the prospect of legislative action off the table, committee members took turns complaining about their own aviation experiences.

    Duncan complained about a maintenance delay this week in Knoxville. "It caused me to miss votes last night, and I hate to miss votes," he said.

    Rep. Blake Farenthold R-Texas, let it be known that he has "elite status on every airline up there except for Alaska."

    Rep. Jason Lewis, R-Minn., said he just spent "30 hours getting from Washington, D.C., to Minneapolis."

    Rep. Barbara Comstock, R-Va., complained that an airline recently failed to notify her of a flight cancellation, and "I could have changed flights." And Rep. Steve Cohen, D-Tenn., complained about the "teeny tiny, awful seats" on his flight Monday.

    "I apologize that you had an uncomfortable flight," Philipovitch replied.

    Here's what's more uncomfortable: The abuses of the unfettered airline industry, and Washington's refusal to do anything about them, are typical. Nearly a decade after the financial crisis, corporate chieftains are again astride the country like a colossus, while workers and customers languish. President Trump promised to help the forgotten man, but his solutions do the opposite: repealing banking reforms, granting large tax cuts to the wealthy, and cutting government efforts to protect workers and consumers.

    And passengers. At Tuesday's hearing, the chairman, Shuster, offered the perverse suggestion that Congress help airlines and other industries by enacting tort reform so that they wouldn't face so many "damn lawsuits" from pesky customers.

    It was a revealing proposal. Airlines are caught abusing passengers in graphic ways, and the top House lawmaker overseeing the industry responds by proposing a crackdown — on passengers.

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    Follow Washington Post columnist Dana Milbank on Twitter @Milbank.

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    Delta CANCELS its 'media day' after outrage at how the airline kicked parents and their kids off flight and threatened them with jail
    • Delta has axed its media event day after sparking outrage when a family was kicked off a flight and threatened with jail unless they gave up their seat
    • Airline representatives said they had 'decided that the timing is not right to showcase Delta's product innovations and global strategy'
    • Delta may have feared their 'global strategy' could be overshadowed by incident
    • Brian and Brittany Schear say they were threatened with arrest and having their children taken away from them if he didn't give up their son's seat
    • The entire family was then kicked off the flight and not offered a refund
    • Delta has since issued an apology and refunded the family
    • The media event day is now being rescheduled for a less contentious time


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    Angry passengers on their way to a graduation are thrown to the floor and arrested after lashing out over their canceled flights
    • Several people detained at Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport, FL
    • Outraged by 11 cancelations, passengers started yelling and beating counters
    • Security staff stepped in to try and resolve issue, but number of fights broke out
    • Aftermath was caught on camera as women appeared to attack security officers


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    Now United Airlines passengers are being attacked by SCORPIONS! Deadly insect crawls out on flight and forces evacuation
    • United Airlines Flight 1035 was evacuated in Houston, Texas on Thursday night
    • The flight was delayed for several hours when a scorpion was spotted crawling out from a passenger's clothes
    • Passengers tweeted the scorpion had stung the passenger, but the airline said paramedics determined the customer had not been injured
    • It comes a month after a man was stung by a scorpion on a United flight


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    JetBlue kick family off plane in confrontation over their mom's birthday cake after it is 'deemed a SECURITY RISK' on flight to Las Vegas to celebrate her 40th
    • Family was kicked off JetBlue flight after 'improperly storing' their birthday cake
    • Cameron and Minta Burke, and their two children, from New Jersey, were flying to Las Vegas on May 3 to celebrate Minta's 40th birthday
    • They brought onto the plane a buttercream birthday cake
    • The Burkes were asked by a flight attendant to move the cake to an overhead bin, then to another bin and finally to the floor
    • Another flight attendant came over and confronted the family
    • Two Port Authority officers were called to remove the Burkes but deemed there was 'no wrongdoing' on their part
    • The family was still forced to exit the plane but had their tickets refunded
    • Cameron Burke says he intends to bring a lawsuit against the airline


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    White and black female travel companions accuse American Airlines of racism after African American woman is downgraded from first class while her friend was allowed to stay
    • Rane Baldwin, a black woman, bought and upgraded seats for her and her white friend Janet Novack on a flight from Louisville, KY to Charlotte, NC on May 2
    • At boarding, Baldwin was given a new seat assignment in the back of the plane
    • Novack's seat was left as-is in first class, despite shortage due to a plane change
    • From there, Novack and Baldwin both say Baldwin was treated poorly while Novack was treated with immediate concern and respect


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    Soldier is charged $200 by United Airlines for his overweight military duffel on his way home from 21 months serving in Afghanistan
    • First Lieutenant John Rader had to pay $200 to get his military-issued duffel bag on a United Airlines flight out of El Paso, Texas on Monday
    • United's policy is that active military personnel can travel with up to five bags for free, but each bag must be 70 pounds or lighter
    • Rader had only one bag, but it was apparently over 70 pounds, so he had to pay
    • Some of the things that led to the bags heavy weight included Kevlar, two helmets and boots, all gear necessary for his extended deployment overseas
    • United later released a statement that it would reimburse Rader's $200


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    Woman claims Delta held her puppy, named Bunny, hostage for 33 HOURS after the airline lost her paperwork
    • Mary Nguyen said her puppy, Bunny, was held hostage by Delta for 33 hours
    • Bunny was on her way to Guatemala to live with her other owner
    • Nguyen claimed she got all the required paperwork but Delta lost the hard copy


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    'The area was completely covered in blood': Veteran's emotional support dog mauls a passenger's face on a Delta flight from Atlanta to San Diego
    • Ronald Mundy, Jr. was on a flight to San Diego with his service dog
    • Mundy is a US Marine Corp. combat veteran from North Carolina
    • Marlin Jackson of Daphne, Alabama was sitting next to the pair
    • The dog apparently lunged at the man's face and he was left bloody
    • The vet was reportedly weeping and saying he knew his dog would be 'put down'


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    Dogs on flight on passengers laps?
    That is just stupid.
    No dogs in the main cabin with humans.
    If the human needs help, take pills.

     
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    Agree Ebie.
    Once again good intentions have paved the road to hell.
    We love vets, we love dogs.
    But what if your "emotional support" dog (whatever the hell that means) chews my kids face off on a (I can't believe it is allowed) airplane?
    Dog needs to go down.
    and it's the owner's fault as well as whoever allows unmuzzled animals on a plane with people.
     
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    They belong in a dog carry box--in the hold--or in 2 paid for seats.
    And I have 2 dogs whom I love.
    But I know dogs....
    Don't fly and inconvenience the 99.99% of people if pills are not enough...

     
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    I love dogs like children, honestly. But I have to agree with you on this one. If a dog attacks a person, unprovoked and does significant damage, the dog has to be put down. And you're right, the blame and fault lies with the owner and the officials that allow unmuzzled dogs on flights. The owner is heartbroken, I'm sure and I have sympathy for him, but he should know his dog better and should have trained him out of any potentially aggressive behavior.
     
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    An interesting and 99% consistent part of this story, is that the dog owner did not express any sympathy for the victim, only the dog. Usually, they blame the victim, example, "you must have shown fear and the dog picked up on that, so it is your fault..."
    That happens 98% of the time. (100% of the time when dogs have tried to attack me.)
     
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    If you own a dog, it's like owning a gun, even more so. Your .45 automatic is never going to pick itself up and put a 45 caliber hole in someone, even if it's cocked, without the safety engaged. Your dog, on the other hand, has it's own mind and volition. You have to master that dog and train him to have your mind in his head at all times. He needs to be brought to the point where he thinks of your will before he acts on his own nature. It can be done, but it takes time, will and effort. It's also important to thoroughly socialize your dog, so he's used to people and comfortable in all kinds of situations.
    As far as this guy is concerned, he didn't do those things, or wasn't able to. I still feel sorry for him, because he will lose his companion. But the other passenger deserves more sympathy. He didn't ask to be placed next to a poorly trained animal.
    I'll say one more thing. That dog attacked that other passenger for one of three reasons. First possibility was that he saw that guy as a threat. Second possibility was that he felt more dominant than his "owner" and decided to exert some control over the guy next him, who he thought was in his space. If he was submissive to his owner, I don't think that would have happened. Third possibility was that he was a fearful dog and was afraid of the guy next to him and attacked out of that feeling of fear. ( Another possibility, I guess, is that the other guy was evil and the dog knew it. I don't take this one too seriously, though.)
     
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