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Washington State is Now Collecting Sales Tax from All internet Purchases

Discussion in 'Politics Forum (Local/National/World)' started by Garyw, Feb 8, 2018.



  1. Garyw

    Garyw The Military gave me Defoliant Exposure Silver Miner

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    I live in Oregon and have a online shop in an internet mall (Etsy) As of 1/1/2018 The state of Washington is making Etsy be a tax collector on all their sales to washington state. I had two sales to customers from Washington today and Etsy charged the customer washington sales tax even though we have no sales tax in Oregon. They will make a windfall from their constituents. All the products Etsy would not let me refund them and if they used Pay Pal Etsy will take out of my account. so they can pay washington sales tax on all sales. Taxpayers in Washington will no doubt have a tax revolt or go broke.
    (Neither customer knew about the change. I had to tell them)It came into effect Jan 1st 2018
     
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  2. hoarder

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    Make a long shopping list and stock up next time you come to Missoula. No sales tax.
     
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    Glad I don't live in Washington state then!
     
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    Wouldn't be surprised to see more states gloming on to this idea.
    So far haven't heard any seller forum talk on ebay about this.
    In PA we are supposed to self pay any sales tax on out of state purchases.
    I of course comply with the law. :finished 2:



    https://www.etsy.com/help/article/236507470962

    Sales Tax for Washington State

    Based on applicable tax laws, Etsy will calculate, collect, and remit sales tax for orders shipped to customers in the following state(s):

    State Effective Date
    Washington 01/01/2018
    • No action is required on your part.

    • There are no charges or fees for Etsy automatically calculating, collecting, and remitting sales tax.
    Sellers do not have to update their sales tax settings in their shop for orders shipped to Washington state. Those tax settings are used for states/regions where Etsy does not automatically collect sales tax.

    Sellers cannot opt out of Etsy automatically collecting sales tax for items shipped to customers in Washington state.

    Note: Etsy sellers do not need to remit sales tax on their Etsy sales to a state where Etsy remits sales tax on your orders.

    Purchases via Paypal
    If a buyer in Washington state purchases the order via PayPal, Etsy will supply the seller with the sales tax as a part of the payment. Then Etsy will add a fee for the sales tax to your Etsy bill so that we can remit the tax to the state of Washington.

    The sales tax will be included in the order information, and the fee for the sales tax will be on your Etsy itemized bill—including the relevant order number. The fee will be summed in the subcategory in your fee summary under Sales Tax Fees.

    For orders shipped to customers in all other states
    If you sell physical goods on Etsy and reside in the US or Canada, you have the option of either including applicable taxes in your listing prices, or excluding applicable taxes from your listing prices and then using Etsy's sales tax tool to calculate the tax owed on each sale.

    To access the sales tax tool go to Shop Manager > Finances > Payment settings. Then, select the Sales Tax tab.
     
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  5. Garyw

    Garyw The Military gave me Defoliant Exposure Silver Miner

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    I thought all they had in Missoula was casino's I never saw a grocery store when I was there lol. I dont have sales tax in Oregon either I thought Oregon and New Jersey were the only non sales tax states. My cousin married a native american here on the Oregon coast we have casinos owned by the indians. My cousins husband said they are going to make enough money they will just buy their land back.
     
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    Garyw The Military gave me Defoliant Exposure Silver Miner

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    From what I understand there are already 14 states trying to set it up for them. I cannot even guess how much more the people of washington will have to pay state sales tax and now national sales tax. Looks like Jesus will be here soon the money changers are already here and now thousands more tax collectors. I live in the liberal state of Oregon we have voted down self serve gas stations for years. We did it for jobs for kids to pump gas. They kept threatening gas prices are higher but our gas prices are less than washington and california. We always voted the self service down now they did it in the legislature and we did not get a chance to vote on it. We need to drain the swamp but might be too many socialists in this state. Might be time to start the revolution or join the state of Jefferson and build a wall on 3 sides of Oregon.
     
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    So how is this accomplished? I know that they passed a law but it is common practice that between the two states that If I show I am from Oregon via drivers license I pay no tax in Washington and by same virtue if people from Washington come over here they pay no sales tax. YOU are inside the bounds of Oregon so why are you under the law of Washington as Washington law does not operate here in Oregon. There/they must be operating on some kind of federal law. So, I have a story of a guy I met when I went to jail that bears some similarities because it deals with the two states. I will try and make it short.

    So there I am in a cell for 72hours before I get to go to the pods. In comes this young black guy who has a ghetto slang that is very undecipherable to me but he has a problem. His problem is this is the second time he has been in jail for something that was done in Washington. Seems he got a domestic dispute thingy with his Gfrind in Wa. So they moved to Oregon, cool right? So Oregon keeps arresting him for violating Washington law and I am like WTF over? Of course his arresting document had those famous words "...for the Peace and Dignity..."

    And, that my friend is where you beat them because there is no 'Peace and Dignity' here in Oregon, it just is not in the charter as peace and dignity died way back in 1740.

    But anywhoo back to the tax thing. I would think that only the federal tax laws bear on interstate commerce because it is interstate and 'not-"NOT" singular state. IDK if that make sense but Oregon cannot make you collect a tax on goods if that/them WA people walked into your small business/home and purchased them there.
     
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    There is now obviously a tax on goods crossing the border between Oregon and Washington.
    However, it seems it is being applied selectively as they are not stopping cars and trucks crossing the border and assessing tax due.

    How can a tax only apply to internet transactions between states and not other transactions?
     
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    Because it's all an unconstitutional fascist farce driven by greedy parasitic leeches.
     
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    Close shop, never let a 3rd party control you. NEVER!
     
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    Likewise in the proletariat of Washington; self pay on out-of-state purchases.
    So actually it does apply to all out-of-state purchases, not just internet.

    And I believe the deal with internet collection of sales taxes has always been complicated by the plethora of rates of the individual states. And to make matters even worse when, like in this state they have different rates in different counties and cities - there's even an extra little bit added here in Seattle just for the city. There was just to much cost involved to gin up programs to deal with all those rates.

    Now, it looks to me like, each state can construct a program to give to the internet sellers to allow them to charge that states sales tax and insert it into their site. Washington is just ahead of the tax collection game.

    BF
     
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    Lots of law suits already main one is Amazon vs Washington. Amazon is also charging all of its 3rd party sellers and pays washington but is fighting it. I think Colorado has a similar thing going on already. Sounds like pretty uninforcable crossing borders I think I read here washington residents are supposed to self report if they do not they will be in violation. I think that must have been in affect for quite a while already. Not really enforcable until they want you then press it to throw you in jail for tax fraud if they want you for something else
     
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    But you can buy and have shipped whatever from China, no tax.
     
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    If internet sellers had to collect sales tax, maybe brick and mortar would be doing better. Double edged sword.
     
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    If brick and mortar were not forced to collect sales tax, maybe they would be doing better too. Depends on your perspective.

    And like gringott implies- Maybe we all would do better if we were treated like the Chinese with no tax. What the hell is up with that anyway?
     
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    "If". If pigs had wings they could fly.

    B&M pay sales tax because they are located in, and do their sales in, the same state - locality.
    If I cross the state line and purchase a product in person in the other state, then transport it home, the state where I bought it profits from the tax I paid. I have no problem with this. Internet sellers do not [or should not] collect sales tax when they are engaging in interstate commerce - the product was purchased across state lines for the purpose of importation into another state. Forbidden to tax by the Constitution.

    Are B&M stores deserving of violating the Constitution to make them more viaible? I think not.

    Internet seller - no cost of local facility in each sales area, including property taxes, utilities, etc.
    Should internet sellers be required to pay property taxes everywhere they ship to, because B&Ms do? After all, it is only fair, right?

    Internet seller - no cost of local employees and all the associated costs. Yes, they have employees. However the productivity of the employees [money spent on employees vs. total sales] is much greater. Should they be taxed to be punished for this economic reality?

    What nonsense.

    Use logic. Every B&M has to have the product shipped to them. I dare say that shipping costs are pretty close for most "not giant" B&Ms to get product to the consumer as for a internet retailer to ship direct. Walmart etc are an exception due to economies of scale. When a internet retailer ships a product, it is to a BUYER. When a B&M has a product shipped in, it is to a POTENTIAL buyer. See the difference? Why not support a system that has less waste, less gambling the local market will support [meaning buy] a product? There is huge waste associated with B&M retailing.

    Just take a hobby shop as an example. They used to be everywhere when I was growing up, mom & pop operations. Very inefficient distribution system, products were very expensive, few other ways to purchase hobby items. Fast forward to today, they [mom & pop hobby shops] are all gone or an endangered species. Yet my ability to purchase the type of items they once carried has multiplied by a huge amount, selection through the roof, and price plunged! What an achievement! At the expense of less parasites on the supply chain. Because Mom & Pop were parasites on the supply chain between producer and end user. They might have been nice people, very knowledgable about hobby stuff, etc. But the bottom line is they increased cost of product to the end user by a huge amount, while limiting selection to what they decided to stock. After all, if they didn't have it, you couldn't buy it, without expensive and elaborate "special ordering" if you happened to even know of the product and they were willing to order it. It was a shitty system, and I am glad to see it gone.

    What is a brick and mortar retailer? A middleman. A business that literally produces nothing. They make their money on the difference in what they pay wholesale for a product vs. what they charge you retail for a product. Where is the downfall in eliminating this middleman if we can? Less employment? Given that argument, let's open up buggy whip factories again, to get employment numbers up. Why not set up local cop checkpoints to charge sales tax at every border, for every item purchased outside the area, because the end user lives there? That would make B&M more viable, right?

    The Constitution forbade taxing interstate commerce because they didn't want goods taxed between states, to encourage interstate commerce. Not because they didn't have computers and therefore couldn't shift the burden of collecting the taxes onto the seller. In fact, the FedGov is supposed to be collecting its taxes on IMPORTED goods from outside the country, which they have ELIMINATED as part of FAKE free trade.
     
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    AFIK, Washington state has no income tax, so they're probably rather miffed about internet sales.

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    B&M stores here in Illinois generally get TIFs and other assorted tax breaks meaning the taxpayers are building their buildings, parking lots and other private infrastructure necessities. B&M require assorted public paid services such as police, fire, water supply etc. that out of state internet sellers do not generally require. Recently Illinois gace Amazon a TIF for a warehouse building plus employee job creating credits that amount to the State income tax withholding on the employees being remitted back to Amazon. The reward to Illinois taxpayers is now they (we) have to pay sales taxes on purchases from Amazon.
    Some years ago I recollect Bezo's making a comment regarding if there were an internet tax imposed on Amazon he would move his servers to a "tax haven" offshore corporation and process all sales from there. We can easily see what happened. The States are giving Amazon free buildings etc. in exchange for a sales tax bonanza that provide funds for assorted politicians vote buying programs.
    The new winners on the sales tax issue are Bezos, Amazon and the politicians; the losers are the taxpayers who continue to vote in the same politicians that have encouraged this all to happen.
     
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