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Wildfires tear through California wine country; 20,000 evacuated

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    I wonder if the muzzies are starting fires??


    Wildfires tear through California wine country; 20,000 evacuated
    • By ANDREA MILLER
    Oct 9, 2017

    Wildfires in California wine country

    Raging wildfires in Northern California have destroyed at least 1,500 structures and forced the evacuation of 20,000 residents, officials said today. Three people have died from the fires.

    Fourteen fires are burning across eight counties, including Napa, Sonoma and Yuba. Altogether, 57,000 acres have been devastated.

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    A firefighter covers his eyes as he walks past a burning hillside in Santa Rosa, Calif., Oct. 9, 2017. Jeff Chiu/AP

    Ken Pimlott, the director of the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection, said the fires started around 10 p.m. local time Sunday.

    With the flames sweeping through entire communities, some area hospitals have been evacuated. Evacuations were also issued for surrounding counties that are under threat, according to the Napa Valley Sheriff's Office.

    Pimlott said firefighters are concentrating on saving lives rather than battling the blazes.

    The National Weather Service reported strong winds in the San Francisco Bay Area, intensifying the infernos as they tear through businesses and homes.

    The National Weather Service issued a red flag warning for the counties most at risk. The warning means conditions are critical.

    Strong winds, relatively low humidity and warm temperatures can lead to extreme weather, according to the National Weather Service.

    Cal Fire confirmed that the Tubbs fire in Napa Valley has burned 20,000 acres of land and the Nuns fire in Sonoma has destroyed 300 acres.

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    The remains of a car sits near the Fountaingrove Inn Hotel as it burns at rear in Santa Rosa, Calif., Oct. 9, 2017. Jeff Chiu/AP


    The Atlas fire, which is just south of Lake Berryessa in Napa Valley, has scorched 5,000 acres since it started.

    The causes of the fires are still under investigation.

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    Flames consume a home as an out of control wildfire moves through the area,
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    Flames ravage a home in the Napa wine region in California, Oct. 9, 2017, as multiple wind-driven fires continue to whip through the region. AFP/Getty Images

    Meteorologist Mike Nicco of KGO-TV in San Francisco has been tweeting updates on the fires.

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    Marin County said on its official Twitter page that it's been overwhelmed with calls from residents.


    Churches and community centers are opening their doors to families seeking refuge from the fires.

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    The remains of fire damaged homes after an out of control wildfire moved through the area, Oct. 9, 2017, in Glen Ellen, California. more +

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    A firefighter monitors flames as a house burns in the Napa wine region in California, Oct. 9, 2017, as multiple wind-driven fires continue to whip through the region. more +

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    A map shows the areas of California threatened by wildfires as of Oct. 9, 2017.


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    Trees burn behind houses in a residential area in Santa Rosa, Calif., Oct. 9, 2017.
     
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    At least 11 dead and 100 injured as wildfires ravage California's wine country: Thousands flee homes as blaze spreads and leaves orange glow over Disneyland
    • Fourteen large fires ripped through California, destroying 1,500 homes and businesses as of Monday night
    • Sky above Disneyland turned orange as Anaheim Hills burned, while a Hilton was destroyed in Santa Rosa
    • At least 11 people have been killed, including a married couple aged 100 and 99 who could not escape
    • A fire chief said that nearly every one of Sonoma County's fire resources is being used, but it just isn't enough
    • Governor Jerry Brown declared a state of emergency for Napa, Sonoma and Yuba counties


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    And yet California wants to write the emissions rules for the rest of the country.
     
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    A boiling river of WINE flows through devastated California wine country as residents return to apocalyptic scenes after wildfires kill 17 - while 5,000 flee another inferno in the home of Disneyland
    • Fires across California have killed 17 people in the north and forced 20,000 people to evacuate their homes
    • Nearly 150 people are still unaccounted for and some 2,000 buildings have been destroyed by the blazes
    • A series of fires that flared up north of San Francisco on Sunday are among the deadliest in the state's history
    • In Southern California, most evacuation orders were lifted after a fire destroyed 14 buildings, mostly homes
    • A monster Canyon 2 blaze cast an orange glow over the Disneyland theme park in Anaheim late Tuesday night


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    I feel for victims of natural disasters but in the case of California I can't seem to feel sorry for them.
     
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    Reduced to ashes: Shocking aerial images capture the devastation wrought by California wildfires as the death toll rises to 23 with nearly 300 MISSING and 20,000 forced to flee their homes
    • Fires across California have killed 23 people in the north and forced 20,000 people to evacuate their homes
    • New photos show the apocalyptic destruction in the area, where ash snows down on devastated communities
    • Around 285 people are still unaccounted for and some 3,500 buildings have been destroyed by the blazes
    • A series of fires that flared up north of San Francisco on Sunday are among the deadliest in the state's history
    • In Southern California, most evacuation orders were lifted after a fire destroyed 14 buildings, mostly homes


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    Thanks I appreciate that. There are good people behind enemy lines (politically) in California effected by this natural disaster, please show some respect.

    Luckily, my house is not in the required evacuation zone at the moment, but we bugged out Monday early just to be safe. Ended up going back in that night, but its been pretty apocalyptic in the area. I have family, friends, co-workers and professional peers in the area that have lost a lot and some have lost EVERYTHING. I dont give a crap how well prepared you are if a fire rolls in at 2am while your asleep your preps are bye bye. Theres parts of Santa Rosa that look like Hiroshima 2.0. Its a terrible tragedy. We are keeping our fingers crossed that the winds do not change again if so, my house is going to be in serious trouble. We have a bag packed for each of us and most important valuables in a fire safe just in case. Grocery stores are picked over, long lines for gas, etc. I have preps, so we arent hurting and I am at work now, but things can change in an instant. I have emergency comms setup with mobile hams at home, each car, and at my work all programmed with repeaters in my area. Cell phone service has been super spotty, going in and out. There is no internet connection at my house, but we did get Cable TV back on. Luckily, my house still has power and gas. There is a boil water advisory, so we have been going through my water reserves pretty quickly. I headed down south into Marin to stock up on water so we don't run out.

    Its been pretty crazy and things unfortunately look like they will be getting worse before they get better.
     
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    So much smoke here last night, the bats wouldn't come out of the bat houses. Never seen that before.
     
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    When fires swept over my place this summer, they had me on "mandatory" stage 3 evacuation orders, to which I did not comply. Those evacuation orders are not mandatory, they can't force you to leave your own home.
     

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    I refuse to leave children behind due to custody (I have step children). Moving is NOT an option for me. Sometimes you need to man up and deal with things like an adult as it's the responsible thing to do. People like you crack me up. Last time I checked tyranny is spreading throughout our republic like a cancer. It would buy me what 10 maybe 20 years?...but could I live with myself abandoning my step kids to leave them at the mercy of their dead beat dad? No thanks.

    Shootist, you are correct it is a choice. I will pick my kids over my own pretend freedom in a "free'r" state. Call me dumb, but i'm ok with that.
     
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    I could get in a pissing match but right now you have enough to contend with. Come back when the fires are out...
     
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    I live in a conservative County in NorCal. Night and day difference here, from what you guys from other states see portrayed about California. I will say though, this place I live in, is not the same place it was 14 years ago, when I moved up from L.A. It was fine until Obama got elected, then suddenly the Lib Twats started coming out of the woodwork. I think they were emboldened by Obama's election, to come to this county from Sacramento, and the Bay (Gay) area, for day trips, and even to move here. Most of those types live in town though. They don't want to live out here in the woods with all of us gun toting, marijuana growing, angry white people. I'll wait and see what Nevada does with their gun laws after Las Vegas, before commiting to moving there.
     
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    The road to Hell: Couple caught off guard by California wildfires film their terrifying journey to safety while surrounded by flames as they reveal they kept activating the windshield wipers so the car wouldn't catch fire
    • Andre Epstein and Neda Monshat filmed their terrifying journey down a road almost entirely consumed by a raging California wildfire
    • The couple didn't know the road had been considered too dangerous to drive on
    • Flames licked both sides of their car as they drove through the fire for 10 minutes
    • Smoke was so thick they could not see two feet in front of their car
    • The couple kept activating the windsheild wipers as they hoped it would help their car not catch on fire
    • They feared the car would blow up, Epstein described the journey as a hell-scape
    • Wildfires almost simultaneously sparked on Sunday and quickly spread
    • The California wildfires death tolls has reached 31 as of Thursday night


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4976346/Incredible-video-shows-couple-driving-wildfire.html#ixzz4vNOATwik
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    Firestorm. Seriois stuff it is.
    Super tornado with fire. Ugly stuff.
    Flagler County Fl in the late 90s, never seen anything like it once it gets going. We had a construction yard up north of Volusia county in Flagler next to a truss plant.
    Stored vehicles and excess materials etc from Space Center.
    Storm vaporized everything. No time to move anything it was so fast. Truss plant vaporized also.
    Everything in the area.
    There was a mandatory countywide evacuation.
    That was when I started to begin to think evacs were about useless in any populated areas.
    It was a total gridlock.
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    I was born here, and I will very likely die here.

    Even one generation ago, California was considered a conservative state.

    I live 90 miles south of the nearest fire, and with the prevailing winds, I thought the fire was right up the street from me.

    Smoke so thick, you can look directly at the sun.

    In answer to the question in the OP:

    Arson is a possibility, but with the amount of tree work now being conducted in haste by the utility companies, it seems more plausible, and obvious, that the culprit is high wind combined with extremely dry brush.

    We had record rainfall earlier in the year, and I've never seen as much poison oak as this year, which is my primary concern regarding smoke inhalation.

    Very tragic, and fire season does not end until the first heavy rains.
     
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    Dramatic body cam footage shows sheriff's deputy driving through wildfires in desperate bid to save people stranded in their homes as death toll climbs to 35
    • California sheriffs on Saturday released dramatic body cam footage of deputies driving through towns surrounded by wildfires in an attempt to rescue survivors
    • In one video, an unidentified Sonoma County deputy is seen rescuing a disabled woman who was stranded near her home
    • The deputy is shown lifting a disabled woman out of her wheelchair and into an SUV to rush her out of town
    • 'Go! Go! Go! Go! Go!' a deputy can be heard yelling in the body-camera video released by the Sonoma County Sheriff's Office


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    My neighbors house burned to the foundations in the La Tuña Canyon fire several weeks ago. Watched it burn to the foundations while helicopters dropped load after load of water on it. This area was lucky, only 4 houses burned, nobody hurt. The burn zone looks like Mordor now, nothing but ash and rock. Good news is nothing left to burn in the canyon below us, and we're probably good for 10 years or more before fire risk builds up again. Despite the fact the fires were a few hundred yards from our home, the smoke was negligible because of wind direction.
     
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    Iconic $17m 'Glass House' mansion with stunning hilltop views, a swimming pool and helipad is burnt to the ground in killer California wildfires
    • An iconic home, nicknamed the 'glass house' located in Fairfield on the border of Solano and Napa counties has been destroyed in California fires
    • The home, built in 2003 was noted for its hexagonal shape and walls of glass
    • The house offers 360 degree views that include the Golden Gate Bridge and nearby Mount Diablo
    • Glass House was last sold in July 2012 for $3.4 million - the owner has said that he will rebuild the home
    • The current owners are Cathy and Jesse Marion who currently live in Texas


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    As an anglophone living in French Canuckistan .. I feel this. Better the honest fight with the opponent in front of you than the knife in the back from those you think are defending your side.
     
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    Gypsy Jew has an interesting take on the situation.............

    What "THEY" are not saying about the Napa fires in CALIFORNIA!!
    GYPSY JEW REAL TALK



    Published on Oct 13, 2017
    The CALIFORNIA fires are destroying legal Recreational Marijuana Farms. Is it by design?
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    "May these times be the stone that sharpens our steel."

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    Wiped off the map: Shocking aerial photos show neighborhoods razed to the ground and houses reduced to ashes by California wildfires that destroyed 3,000 homes in Santa Rosa and caused $1billion in damage
    • Photos show entire neighborhoods gone and the sides of hills bare, burned and blackened by the wildfire
    • Locals say they plan to rebuild, but it will take until early 2018 for all of the rubble and ruins to be cleared away
    • Around 100,000 people were evacuated and 42 killed by the fire; the dead were remembered on Saturday
    • House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi attended the memorial service after touring the burned-out streets


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    Burned up and priced out: Santa Rosa fire evacuees fear they can't afford to return 18 / 19
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    SANTA ROSA, Calif. - For Sharon Ditmore, the signs of the holidays showing up in this city devastated by fire are both comforting and depressing.

    Ditmore lost her home in the working-class neighborhood of Coffey Park and has been living in a friend's guesthouse. She can't help but think back to the Thanksgiving gatherings she enjoyed with family members in the home she and her husband had rented for nearly 30 years.

    But in the future, she and the thousands of others who lost homes see nothing but uncertainty. With rents surging as high as $13,000 a month in the aftermath of a fire that destroyed 3,000 Santa Rosa homes, they are not sure they will be able to afford to stay in the increasingly expensive wine country city.

    "My landlord said he plans to rebuild," said Ditmore, 62, who ran a day care business out of her home. "If I can afford to move back, I will. But like so many others, I'll have to wait and see."

    Hers was one of hundreds of homes that burned down last month in Coffey Park, where about 40 percent of the residents were renters. A website recently posted by Gallaher Construction Inc. of Santa Rosa - titled "Bring Back Coffey Park: Looking to Rebuild or Sell?" - has only stoked concerns that a neighborhood reduced to ashes will be rebuilt as something vastly different.

    A month after wildfires ripped through this city of more than 160,000, there are debates about the fate of working-class residents and undocumented immigrants, the shortage of available housing for displaced residents that has pushed rental rates into the stratosphere, and whether the firestorm will trigger an exodus of engineers, doctors and nurses, teachers, emergency responders and agricultural workers - and with it an economic downturn.

    The dissension is playing out at town hall gatherings, on social media platforms and in the opinion pages of local newspapers as the hard facts about the economic and social costs of rebuilding efforts start to take hold.

    "It's chaos here because we've got big issues with big cost considerations - and no plan in place to tackle them," said Keith Christopherson, who owns a construction company that built hundreds of the ridgeline homes destroyed in Santa Rosa's affluent Fountaingrove district.

    "When people ask what it'll cost to rebuild their homes, I say, 'I don't know,' to keep their spirits up," he said. "But the truth is that costs and rent payments will be pushed up by code upgrades and severe shortages of local available housing, labor and basic building materials such as wall board, concrete and paint."

    Amid the largest debris-removal campaign in state history, about 13,000 claims have been submitted by Sonoma County residents for Federal Emergency Management Agency assistance of some kind, officials said.


    The federal government has advanced $5.8 million to residents who lost their homes, and the state has requested $7.9 billion from Washington to fund long-term recovery efforts, said state Sen. Mike McGuire, D-Healdsburg.

    Santa Rosa and Sonoma County officials expect to start creating temporary housing options this week for seniors on fixed incomes. But the vast scale of the destruction has left them grappling with questions about how they can afford to recruit, house and pay for an army of laborers to expedite construction of permanent homes without deep cuts in funding for basic services.

    "We've lost a major source of revenue, property taxes, which account for roughly a third of our budget," said Shirlee Zane, chairwoman of the Sonoma County Board of Supervisors. "That means every single person who lives and works here is going to be affected."

    "We don't want teachers, police officers, firefighters and county workers who lost their homes to move elsewhere with their insurance checks," she added. "So, we're trying very hard to find the healthiest way forward. In the meantime, we have to have patience."

    Targets of criticism include Rebuild North Bay, a new nonprofit organization composed of 18 influential business leaders, fundraisers, bankers and lawyers who say they are dedicated to establishing plans to rebuild homes and protect the dominant forces in the local economy: wine and tourism.

    The group's unveiling at a recent town hall gathering, however, drew sharply mixed reactions. Sonoma County Supervisor Lynda Hopkins, for example, stood up and expressed disappointment over the lack of diversity among its leaders - nearly all of them white men - in a county where 26 percent of the population is Latino.

    Some others questioned the 501(c)(4) status of the group - led by James Lee Witt, a former FEMA director - which, unlike the more common 501(c)(3) status, allows it to engage in unlimited lobbying and promotion of political candidates.

    In response to those concerns, Ken Garcia, a spokesman for the group, said, "We're working on a plan to create a more diverse board."

    Some homeowners were dismayed by the Sonoma County Board of Supervisors' recent adoption of a 45-day moratorium on the issuance of new vacation rental permits. The move was intended to keep emergency housing available for displaced residents - not wine country tourists.

    But some residents saw Airbnb and other short-term rentals as a means of providing some of the only temporary housing available for people who lost their homes - and lucrative income streams for the property owners.

    It's not the first time short-term rentals have stirred controversies in the aftermath of a disaster. When a leaking Southern California Gas Co. natural gas well forced thousands of San Fernando Valley residents out of their homes in late 2015, rates at nearby hotel and motel rooms jumped as high as $8,500 a month.

    There's talk in town about price gouging, as the median rent in Santa Rosa has surged to $2,982 - a 16 percent increase since September, before the fires, according to Zillow Real Estate Research. Countywide, median rent rose 36 percent to $3,224 over the same period.

    Price gouging "is not a matter that I take lightly," Sonoma County District Attorney Jill Ravitch said. "I am prepared to prosecute those unscrupulous individuals who try to turn a profit at the expense of our neighbors and friends."

    But property owners who are benefiting from the rent uptick say it's the result of insurance companies doing their jobs.

    "I've been getting a lot of hateful messages from people who think we're taking advantage of the situation - but they're wrong," said Randy Knight, chief executive of 5StarVR.com, a vacation rental company whose recent offerings on Zillow included a 4-bedroom Santa Rosa home listed at $13,000 a month. "These people don't realize that we're responding to insurance companies desperately trying to accommodate clients who need a place to live."

    Ronald and Marcela Arowcavage would not argue with any of that. Immediately after listing for $12,000 a month a 3,300-square-foot home they bought for $370,000, "we were bombarded with inquiries from insurance company representatives," Ronald Arowcavage, 58, said.

    On Nov. 4, the Arowcavages leased the house on a tidy, leafy street in the town of Windsor, just off Highway 101 and about three miles north of Santa Rosa, for one year to two displaced Fountaingrove property owners who plan to share the premises.

    Their insurance companies, Ronald said, were handling the payments.

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