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Will Trump Split The Scene On The Paris Climate Accord?

Discussion in 'Politics Forum (Local/National/World)' started by searcher, May 31, 2017.



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    John Caviar and Champagne Kerry. See if you can ride your wind surfer over to Starbucks every day, you dick head.
     
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    ^^^Too bad they did not lead by example, they might have done some good.^^^
     
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    It's also when electricity demand peaks further from the equator - midday, especially in summer.

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    Big oil resisted all the way until they got what they wanted. They pushed the target back from 1.5c to 2 and then got the rest of the world to agree that the targets would be non-binding. No penalties whatsoever for flouters. Trump says it was a bad deal for the US, but the US got everything it wanted.

    Trump could have just gone along and flouted the agreement, but he needs to keep his base from deserting him and this is a big distraction from Jared's legal troubles.
     
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    The Pentagon seems to be a primary advocate of the view that climate change is going to cause massive disruption economically, socially, and militarily. Damn tree huggers.

    You can't handle the truth.

    https://www.defense.gov/News/Article/Article/612710/
     
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    Go ahead, shoot the messenger, and Kerry deserves to be shot, but he is right on this one and it doesn't take being a former secretary of state to figure it out.

    Want to make a bet Trump will negotiate a better deal?
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    DELINGPOLE: ‘Global Warming’ Is a Myth, Say 58 Scientific Papers in 2017

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    by JAMES DELINGPOLE6 Jun 20179,619

    “Global warming” is a myth — so say 80 graphs from 58 peer-reviewed scientific papers published in 2017.

    In other words, the so-called “Consensus” on global warming is a massive lie. And Donald Trump was quite right to quit the Paris agreement which pretended that the massive lie was true.

    By “global warming” these papers don’t, of course, mean the mild warming of around 0.8 degrees Celsius that the planet has experienced since the middle of the 19th century as the world crawled out of the Little Ice Age. Pretty much everyone, alarmists and skeptics alike, is agreed on that.

    Rather, they mean “global warming” in the sense that is most commonly used today by grant-troughing scientists, and huxter politicians, and scaremongering green activists, and brainwashed mainstream media (MSM) environmental correspondents. “Global warming” as in the scary, historically unprecedented, primarily man-made phenomenon which we must address urgently before the icecaps melt and the Pacific islands disappear beneath the waves and all the baby polar bears drown.

    What all these papers argue in their different ways is that the alarmist version of global warming — aka Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming (CAGW) — is a fake artefact.

    That is, all these different experts from around the world — China, Russia, Canada, the U.S., Italy, etc. — have been looking closely at different aspects of the global warming puzzle in various regions and on different timescales and come to the conclusion in irreproachable, peer-reviewed scientific ways that there is no evidence to support the global warming scare story.

    Late 20th century and early 21st century global warming, they show, is neither dramatic, nor unusual, nor scary.

    Here, as collated by Kenneth Richard at No Tricks Zone, are just some of the charts to prove it.

    Büntgen et al, below, shows that temperatures in the northern hemisphere were warmer in the early 1400s than they are today

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    Abrantes et al (below) confirms the traditional view — which Michael Mann tried to dismiss with his discredited Hockey Stick chart — that the Medieval Warming Period was warmer than anything we have experienced in our own era.

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    Here’s one from Li et al showing that China was much warmer 8,000 years ago

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    Here’s an unusual one from Guillet et al suggesting that there’s nothing new about wildly early or late grape harvests through the centuries:

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    And on and on it goes — there are 80 graphs in all, each showing in its different way why the scare about global warming has been horribly overdone because the evidence just doesn’t support its being unusual or a problem. Several of the papers note that the primary influence on warming appears to be solar activity. Few, if any, entertain the notion that carbon dioxide levels have much to do with it.

    The intellectually corrupt and mendacious alarmist science establishment — I’m thinking, for example, of my personal bete noir, the left-wing political activist and Nobel-prizewinning geneticist Sir Paul Nurse, former president of the Royal Society — would have us believe that climate skepticism is a minority activity, the preserve of a few cranks, championed only by people who don’t do the science. But this is just ugly propaganda.

    Here are dozens of reputable scientists from around the world with no axe to grind collaborating on studies which all corroborate, independently and rigorously, the increasingly respectable view that “man-made global warming” just isn’t a thing.

    Not that it ever was a thing, really. This debate — as I argue at some length in Watermelons — was always about left-wing ideology, quasi-religious hysteria, and “follow the money” corruption, never about “science.”

    Still, it’s always a comfort to know that “the science” is on our side too.

    They do so hate that fact, the Greenies.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...al-warming-is-myth-58-scientific-papers-2017/
     
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    Valerie Jarrett Says Trump Is Destroying Obama's Legacy By Exiting Out Of Paris Accord!
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    It's an accident, Trump did something right...
     
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    Obozo's legacy will remain intact for all time. The worst US president in history! Considering the idiots we've had lead this country, not the least of which was George W Bush, that's quite an accomplishment.

    No more half black community organizers for president please!
     
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    Pope Francis is all smiles when Angela Merkel pops into see him at the Vatican to discuss climate change ahead of G20 summit
    • Merkel said the pope encouraged her to help preserve the Paris climate accord
    • Words come after President Donald Trump pulled out of the agreement on June 1
    • Francis and Merkel also talked about combatting poverty, hunger and terrorism


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4613400/Pope-Francis-Angela-Merkel-talk-climate-change.html#ixzz4kHUhnpcZ
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    Trump stands alone as 19 of the G20 leaders stick with Paris agreement on climate change and German Chancellor Merkel brands US decision to quit 'regrettable'
    • 19 of the 20 leaders gave their backing to Paris agreement on climate change
    • German Chancellor Angela Merkel described US position as 'regrettable'
    • She confirmed that consensus had not been reached on the environment
    • The G20 summit did yield an agreement between all countries on trade


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    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    So, 19 of 20 leaders have investments in the CLIMATE scam err game OR are getting pay-offs to support the scam.
    :mow lawn:
     
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    A lot of hot air: The Paris Pipe Dream
    • By JOHN CARR
    • 7 hrs ago

    The liberal media and the Trump bashers proclaim a world tragedy is around the corner because President Trump decided to withdraw from the Paris Climate Accords. These critics choose to focus on the general issue of global warming when the real issue is "the value, effectiveness and legitimacy of the Paris Accords."

    The accords urge decreasing greenhouse gas emissions to limit global temperature increases below 2 degrees Celsius with an ultimate goal of 1.5 degrees. They refer to climate change/global warming data that suggests the amount of greenhouse gas in the atmosphere affects global temperature. I'm not challenging that issue. I am challenging the real value of the Paris Accords to deal with the issue.

    The accords ask each country to make a commitment to reducing the amount of greenhouse gas emitted. They do not demand a specific reduction in output to meet an emissions target that will achieve the temperature change of 2 degrees. There are no enforcement mechanism or penalties that ensures countries achieve their goals. I would call it a "feel good" document, not an action plan as many suggest. However, it does include a funding mechanism requiring rich countries (USA and others) to provide $100 billion each year to fund less rich countries for whatever they are doing.

    Interestingly, a separate UN study estimates that if all the countries meet their emission targets by 2030, carbon emissions would decline by 56 gigatons but a reduction of 6,000 gigatons is actually needed to achieve a 2 degree limit. Further estimates suggest to achieve the ultimate target of a 1.5 degree limit the entire planet must abandon all fossil fuels in four years. Are you confused? You should be. Because without specific predetermined emission goals assigned to each country based upon its current greenhouse gas output, it's a useless document. Maybe it should be called "The Paris Pipe Dream."

    Another fact that seems to be ignored by Trump's critics is that the USA contributes only 14 percent of the greenhouse gas emitted into the world's atmosphere. Other countries emit the other 86 percent. Our ability to directly affect the amount of greenhouse gas emitted is incidental compared to what is emitted around the world. China and India currently contribute more than 37 percent of the greenhouse gas emitted, significantly affecting greenhouse missions and yet the accords give them a pass.

    The USA has decreased its emissions by 17-18 percent over the last 15 years, while China and India have almost doubled their output and will continue to complete construction of hundreds of coal-fired power plants. While we spend billions cutting emissions, they spend billions adding greenhouse gas to the atmosphere. Why don't the accords demand that China, India and others cut emissions sooner? Because they consider economic growth and financial strength more important than climate change.

    The Paris Climate Accords will not significantly change the trajectory of the global amount of greenhouse gas emitted into the atmosphere.

    It seems like just another effort to redistribute USA wealth. I'm tired of footing the bill for the rest of the world. The world should share in the cost to reduce emissions based upon their direct contribution. Apparently, the world is not prepared to put teeth into a specific, no-nonsense agreement that requires everyone to quickly cut emissions -- and to pay for it. Without that kind of world commitment everything else is just "a lot of hot air."

    Contrary to the irate responses from the liberals, President Trump's decision to withdraw from the Paris Accords will have no effect on the output of greenhouse gas. But it will save American taxpayers from wasting billions of dollars on a non-binding plan going nowhere.

    One final thought, perhaps the USA should spend tax money funding technology driven process improvements that allow the use of inexpensive fossil fuels that will not add greenhouse gas emissions.

    That would produce cheaper energy, cleaner air and more American jobs.

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    John Carr, Washington Crossing, is a retired corporate vice president for a manufacturing company.

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    Trump administration officially notifies UN that the US intends to pull out of the Paris climate pact - but the earliest America can withdraw is 2019
    • UN received notification US intends to withdraw from Paris Agreement Friday
    • But countries can't withdraw from new international agreements until three years after they go into effect & Paris pact went into effect on November 4, 2016
    • State Department said US can officially start withdrawing in November 2019
    • But earliest US can be out is Nov 4, 2020 - day after next presidential election
    • German Chancellor Angela Merkel said at G20 that US position is 'regrettable'
    • Paris pact aims to prevent Earth from heating up by 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4762396/US-officially-tells-UN-wants-Paris-climate-deal.html#ixzz4otZ2TDUM
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    Pope blasts climate change doubters and calls on world leaders to take action in the wake of the devastation caused by hurricane Irma
    • Pope Francis was asked about climate change on a visit to Columbia
    • He said about fossil fuel emissions: 'If we don't turn back, we will go down'
    • He added individuals and politicians had a 'moral responsibility' to do their part
    • Pope Francis has made caring for the environment a hallmark of his papacy


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4872824/Pope-says-humanity-does-not-address-climate-change.html#ixzz4sTYdyMdM
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    Funny, Germany pulled out of the paris horseshit right after we did.
    Apparently getting stuck being the fool who pays the most while hamstringing your manufacturing base wasn't appealing to them .


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    Hadn't heard that. Think Germany is all in.
     
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    How could Trump pull us out of the Paris accord? The president does not have the power to unilaterally sign or dissolve a treaty without the advice and consent of the senate as per the US Constitution.

    The treaty was never ratified by the senate. He could take us "out" of it only because we were never "in" it to begin with.
     
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    I will see if I can find the article again.

    EDIT: Here's the beginning part of it, there are more articles as Germany's auto industry progresses out of the BS agreement but it doesn't meet the world news leftist standard so the articles are hard to find.
    In a nutshell without the US getting raped and robbed first Germany as the second largest steps to the front of the line to be raped and robbed. They are saying nein!


    German Automakers Lament Loss Of Competitive Edge Over U.S. Withdrawal From Paris Climate Accord


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    Germany’s auto industry expressed disappointment over the decision by the U.S. to withdraw from the Paris Climate Accord, saying that Europe’s international competitive edge will now be harmed.

    “The regrettable announcement by the USA makes it inevitable that Europe must facilitate a cost efficient and economically feasible climate policy to remain internationally competitive,” Matthias Wissmann, president of the German auto industry lobby group VDA, said in a statement to Reuters Friday.


    “The preservation of our competitive position is the precondition for successful climate protection. This correlation is often underestimated,” Wissmann said, noting that the decision by the U.S. was discouraging. (Related: Scandal-Plagued VW Slashes Costs And Jobs As It Recovers From Dieselgate)

    Additionally, the VDA, which represents automakers BMW Volkswagen and Mercedes-Benz parent Daimler, said that Germany is already at a disadvantage to the U.S. as their electricity and energy costs are higher in their country.

    President Donald Trump announced Friday the U.S. would withdraw from the Paris Climate Accord prompting an international backlash from countries that signed on to the 2015 treaty, including German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Emmanuel Macron.

    “This decision cannot and will not deter all of us who feel obliged to protect this earth,” Merkel said.

    Trump, in his announcement Friday to withdraw the U.S., stressed the economic disadvantage the treaty that President Obama signed the U.S. on to unilaterally placed the country in.

    “I was elected to represent the citizens of Pittsburgh, not Paris,” the president said.

    He went on to say, “It is time to put Youngstown, Ohio; Detroit, Mich.; and Pittsburgh, Pa., along with many, many other locations within our great country, before Paris, France,” he said. “It is time to make America great again.”


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    http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/03/g...ver-u-s-withdrawal-from-paris-climate-accord/


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    I thought Germany was all in for the climate accords..................

    Angela Merkel and the Insult of Trump’s Paris Climate-Accord Withdrawal
    https://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-...ult-of-trumps-paris-climate-accord-withdrawal

    Maybe they changed their collective minds since Trump split that money grubbing scene?


    On a different note...........

    Miss America Disagrees With Trump on Paris Accord

    Miss America Contestants Take on Trump Over Paris Climate

    As for the pope - he should stick to religious issues. Maybe sell off some of the property and treasures the catholic church owns and help the poor and those victimized by perverted priests.
     
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    We've had next to no hurricanes for the last dozen or so years. Exactly the opposite of what was predicted by the global warmists.
     
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    For the record this paris agreement horsepellets has nothing to do with "global warming" and everything to do with globalists gaining more money and more control of the world economy. The European Union already sold it's sovereignty and it's soul so they have nothing more to lose. So anything that damages the US is good for them.

    Here we go now I'm finding moar..................

    The Bloom is off the Ruse: Germany’s Angela Merkel Quietly Retreating From Paris Climate Treaty…
    Posted on August 20, 2017 by sundance
    Angela Merkel is essentially the de-facto global head of modern political liberalism. The central tenet, almost religious-based in its importance, is the lunacy within “climate change”. However, as most reasonable people have concluded, the ‘climate discussions’ are more about controlled … Continue reading →

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    Turkey Retreats From Paris Climate Treaty…
    Posted on July 9, 2017 by sundance
    Turkey’s President Recep Erdogan admits the only reason for being in the Paris Climate Treaty was to get money from the U.S. and other more wealthy nations. Now that the U.S. has pulled out of the treaty, there’s no reason … Continue reading →

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