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ZUMA Is A "Total Loss" After SpaceX Mission Fails

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  1. Silver

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    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...tellite-total-loss-after-spacex-mission-fails

    Highly Classified Spy Satellite Is A "Total Loss" After SpaceX Mission Fails
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    by Tyler Durden
    Mon, 01/08/2018 - 22:55


    On Sunday night at 8:00 p.m. EST, Elon Musk’s SpaceX launched the secretive Zuma satellite into space aboard its Falcon Heavy rocket from Cape Canaveral. However, less than a day later, the WSJ reports that the secretive spacecraft built by Northrop Grumman for the U.S. government military industrial complex, and worth billions "is presumed to be a total loss after it failed to reach orbit."

    Peter B. de Selding, a reporter for Space Intel Report, first broke the story just after at 4:00 p.m. EST on Monday. In a tweet, his sources suggested that the “Zuma satellite from @northropgrumman may be dead in orbit after separation from @SpaceX Falcon 9.”

    According to the WSJ, "lawmakers and congressional staffers from the Senate and the House have been briefed about the botched mission." Meanwhile, the secret payload—code-named Zuma and launched from Florida on board a Falcon 9 rocket—is believed to have plummeted back into the atmosphere because it didn’t separate as planned from the upper part of the rocket.

    Once the engine powering the rocket’s expendable second stage stops firing, whatever it is carrying is supposed to separate and proceed on its own trajectory. If a satellite isn’t set free at the right time or is damaged upon release, it can be dragged back toward earth.

    It isn’t clear what job the satellite was intended to perform, or even which U.S. agency contracted for the satellite. As usual for classified launches, the information released by SpaceX before liftoff was bereft of details about the payload. A video broadcast Sunday night narrated by a SpaceX official didn’t provide any hint of problems, though the feed ended before the planned deployment of the satellite.

    The WSJ admits that the lack of details about what occurred means that some possible alternate sequence of events other than a failed separation may have been the culprit. And since this is another Musk project/failure, which means the eccentric billionaire will certainly not be tweeting up a storm explaining what went wrong, we may not know the exact reason for the failure for some time.

    As of Monday night, nearly 24 hours after the launch, uncertainty surrounded both the mission and the fate of the satellite, the WSJ reports. Notably, the Pentagon’s Strategic Command, which keeps track of all commercial, scientific and national-security satellites along with space debris, hadn’t updated its catalog of objects to reflect a new satellite circling the planet.

    Neither Northrop Grumman Corp., which built the satellite, nor SpaceX, as Elon Musk’s space-transportation company is called, has shed light on what happened.

    A Northrop Grumman spokesman said, “We cannot comment on classified missions.”

    A SpaceX spokesman said: “We do not comment on missions of this nature, but as of right now reviews of the data indicate Falcon 9 performed nominally.” That terminology typically indicates that the rocket’s engines and navigation systems operated without glitches. The spokesman declined to elaborate.

    What we do know, is that the secretive spy satellite was worth "billions", which makes this the second billion-dollar satellite Musk has managed to lose up in two years; Facebook’s internet satellite was strapped on top of a Falcon 9 rocket, which it spontaneously blew up on the launch pad in September 2016.

    The failure could be a major setback for SpaceX, since government contracts can tend to be extremely lucrative and taxpayers will now demand alternatives to the Musk venture. Further, the company faces fierce competition for ULA, operated by Boeing and Lockheed Martin, who will kick off its 2018 launch schedule with a Wednesday flight.

    The failure also comes at a very sensitive time for SpaceX: Musk’s closely held company has projected ramping up its overall launch rate to more than 25 missions in 2018, from 18 in 2017, and is scheduled to start ferrying U.S. astronauts to the international space station before the end of the year.

    Good luck to them all, because while Musk is certainly best known for his success, we can now add one more failure to the list.
     
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    That old space shuttle is looking better with each SpaceX flight....
     
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    Nice to know my hard earned taxes are being spent so wisely, much better to squander a few billion in fireworks than provide descent health care to our vets.
     
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    Flew down to Texas about a year ago, some odd looking fellows on the flight. Face piercings, face tattoos, weird hair, scruffy appearance. Turns out they were returning SpaceX employees from a launch.
     
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    Or just maybe the satellite did make it into orbit....
     
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    Jedi mind-f#$k. It's possible.
     
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    Musk is sucking taxpayers dry with his failed shit and his hyperloop dream, he belongs in jail with the klintons
     
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    Musk is PT Barnum on steroids, at least Barnum only took the suckers for a ride, Musk takes everybody for a ride via the FedGov money machine.
    When Musk's bs crashes it is going to be epic.
     
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    It’s not Musk. SpaceX is a total CIA front company. Let’s them break all kinds of rules to do illeagal things. Rumor is they used this flight to take out a NK satellite.
     
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    Why am I thinking that this too (launch failure) is a lie?
     
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    There was some kind of an explosion and bright light in the sky over Russia. Perhaps that was it?
     
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    It wasn't a total loss. They are telling you total BS. Are you forgetting that this is 'Top Secret'?
     
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    Winna winna
    Chicken dinna...
    Zuma is fine..

    All I wanna do is Zuma Zuma
    On the boom boom.....
    Check baby check....

     
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    The Russians and Chinese are not going to be fooled by a fake failure claim, they watch space closely, including debris - it would only be we the people that get fooled.
     
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    Yep, just like these guys and gals are workin' on their tans. Was that Shiniqua Funicello?
     
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    How convenient. Total loss but it was top secret anyway so stop thinking about it! It's gone! Forget about it...nothing to see here...

    [​IMG]
     
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    Should put a cramp in their plans to put paying customers into orbit this year, lol. Not that I thought they would, but they were supposed to do that and a manned mission to orbit the moon. After you, WAY after you.
     
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    If that "classified" sat failed to orbit and crashed into the ocean there would be hundreds of ships heading for the crash site.

    I'ts up there, just a bunch of disinfo. Boeing and Lockheed are wanting to discredit Spacex as they should, to get the deep state money for their booster projects. As has been mentioned above the CIA is Spacex and the MIC is out to diss them.
     
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    Are you kidding? They ran those shuttles until they were wore out death traps.
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    It reminds me of my last cheap overseas flight on Northwest. Only thing older than that 747 were the aging flight attendants.

    Yeah, she looked good in the 80s, but wow, way past time to retire there grandma.

    "Ahhh, the windows are rattling again, NASA."
     
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    Northworst.
     
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    I like the Rescue labels, nice touch NASA

    Musta been for OSHA purposes :2 thumbs up:
     
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    ZUMA classes great way for women to dance around and lose weight. A total loss? That would be anorexic.
     
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    "They" say it fell in the Indian Ocean.

    Translation:
    The dog ate my homework.
     
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    Isn't SpaceX going to put people on those rockets soon?
    The confidence level of the astronots must be sky high about now.
     
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    Zuma complete success. Went successfully into orbit. Several other satellite tracking agencies documented Zuma successfully going into orbit and completing at least one orbit, and then, oops link was taken down, otherwise I would post it.
    Typical top secret intrigue.
     
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    My shocked face! >:-O
     
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    SpaceX just torpedoed Northrop Grumman. They flat said their stage one and 2 worked perfectly, and everything else was NG's hardware. And ... they're not hesitating at all with their launch schedule to check anything of theirs going forward.
     
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    ...and while their fight distracts us that satellite is in orbit doing whatever it is its supposed to be doing in total ambiguity since it's already been classified as 'destroyed'. People are easily manipulated and largely have short memories
     
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    Yeah, those stickers came out about the time they issued all the astronauts blaze orange jumpsuits with the labels, "If found, please return to Cape Canaveral" sewed into the lapels.
     
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    Northrup-Grumman had better get their facts straight with Space-X before they begin crying mission failure, if they want anyone to believe them, for Christ's sake!
    And these are supposed to be 2 top notch Companies. One of them is lying.
     
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    and, they both more likely than not are lying-lying in bed together....hahaha, sometimes I just crack myself up.:godfather
     
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    Their website says they are going to launch a manned mission to orbit the moon late this year. Probably right after that manned Mars mission NASA planned for the 1980’s, lol.
     
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    Use another hologram.
     
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    Shit happens when you name a satellite after the most corrupt and racist president that South Africa has ever had.

    Jacob Zuma.

    Google "Zuma state capture".

    Musk is from South Africa. One has to ponder the name choice.

    Nothing good will ever come from something associated with that name.

    Golden Regards
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