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South Africa’s Julius Malema and the Death of Liberal Multiculturalism!!!
Dr. Steve Turley


Published on Aug 27, 2018
Here's why liberal support for the South African racist land grab means the death of their own belief system!
Right there is the writing on the wall to SA white farm owners. We're taking your land and a lot of you are going to die in the process.
 

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300,000 gun owners ? handing over their only means of defense ? uh-huh

As Land Confiscations Loom, South Africa Rules 300,000 Gun-Owners Turn Over Their Weapons

South Africa is opening the door for tyranny.



The Constitutional Court of South Africa recently ruled that 300,000 gun owners must turn in their firearms.

This judgement came in response to the North Gauteng High Court’s ruling in 2017 which said Section 24 and Section 28 of the Firearm’s Control Act were unconstitutional.

A report from The Citizen explains what Section 24 and Section 28 entail:

“Section 24 of the Act requires that any person who seeks to renew a licence must do so 90 days before its expiry date Section 28 stipulates that if a firearm licence has been cancelled‚ the firearm must be disposed of or forfeited to the state. A 60-day time frame was placed on its disposal, which was to be done through a dealer.”​
Now that the High Court’s initial ruling has been overturned, gun owners who failed to renew their firearms licenses must hand in their firearms to the nearest police station, where authorities will then proceed to destroy them.

Many naïve political observers will paint this event as a casual gun control scheme, but any astute student of politics will recognize that the floodgates are now open for further encroachments – not only on the gun rights of South Africans, but also on others facets of theirs lives.

A look at South Africa’s current political climate will give us an idea of the potential ramifications of this gun control scheme.

Political Trouble Brewing in South Africa?
Though South Africa witnessed rising levels of economic freedom shortly after Apartheid ended in 1994, the country has taken a more interventionist path to economic development in recent years.

This situation is becoming more pronounced with the South African National Assembly recently voting 241-83 to amend the South African constitution to allow for land expropriation without compensation.

The socialist-leaning African National Congress (ANC) and the Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF) parties are leading the charge for expropriation under the banner of fixing racial disparities that have supposedly remained intact since Apartheid’s conclusion.

While land confiscation has not been officially finalized, South Africans should worry about the direction their country is going.

And how does gun control fit into this equation?

Gun Control: A Tool for Tyranny
No matter how socialist apologists rationalize it, the redistributionist agenda the South African government is pursuing will not be implemented passively. Ultimately, it must be carried out by force.

The kind of force socialists seek is a monopolized kind, which extreme forms of gun control like gun confiscation help facilitate.

The history of gun confiscation is one of repeated cases of tyranny.

From countries such as Cuba to the Soviet Union, aspiring demagogues have used gun confiscation to disarm the populace. Logically, an unarmed populace will put up little resistance against their tyrannical acts.

In South Africa’s case, farmers and their workers are already suffering ongoing attacks against their property. One could only imagine what it would be like for these persecuted farmers once they are stripped of their right to self-defense.



For many Americans who have enjoyed historically unprecedented gun rights, South Africa’s gun control experience may seem distant and strange.

But make no mistake about it, South Africa’s latest flirtation with gun control is not based on good intentions, especially when considering the political climate the country is enduring.

South Africa should serve as a fair warning to Americans of the dangerous consequences gun control poses.


https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...frica-rules-300000-gun-owners-turn-over-their
 

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IMF Supports South Africa Land Theft Provided It's "Rules Based"


byMike Mish Shedlock
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A land grab in Zimbabwe led to capital and human flight followed by hyperinflation. South Africa is on a similar path.
The ruling African National Congress (ANC) plans to change the constitution to allow the expropriation of land without compensation, as most of it is still owned by members of the white minority.
The ANC announced the plans, backed off them but now they are back on again, this time with IMF Backing Provided it's 'Rules Based'.
The debate erupted again last week when U.S. President Donald Trump said he had asked Secretary of State Mike Pompeo to study South African “land and farm seizures” and the “killing of farmers”. South Africa accused Trump of stoking racial divisions.
The IMF Fund’s senior resident representative in South Africa Montfort Mlachila told Reuters “We are in full support of the need to undertake land reforms in order to address the issues of inequality.”​
Land Reform?
We are not talking about land reform, we are talking about a land grab theft.
The ANC announced the plan, backed off and now it appears the plan is back on, with support from the IMF.
IMF Financial Support
Mlachila said South Africa was not expected to seek IMF financial support due to its deep domestic financial markets and access to international markets for financing its balance of payments and fiscal deficits.
“We really don’t see much need for recourse to financing from the IMF,” Mlachila said.​
If there is human and capital flight after this theft, South Africa will indeed be headed for IMF support.
Recall that the hyperinflation in Zimbabwe began with a land grab in the interest of "fairness".
In the sake of "fairness" the Zimbabwe currency went to zero, for everybody.
Trump's Controversial Tweet

Donald J. Trump

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I have asked Secretary of State @SecPompeo to closely study the South Africa land and farm seizures and expropriations and the large scale killing of farmers. “South African Government is now seizing land from white farmers.” @TuckerCarlson @FoxNews
9:28 PM - Aug 22, 2018



NPR: The U.S. Embassy cited a recent report by AgriSA, a nonprofit industry group that represents 70,000 commercial farmers, that estimated that there were 47 farm murders from 2017 to 2018, fewer than at any time in the past 19 years. Police records documented 74 farm murders out of a total of 19,016 total murders in South Africa between April 2016 and March 2017.
Customers Must Honor Home loan Payments even if Land is Seized
Nedbank says Customers Must Honor Home loan Payments even if Land is Seized.
A South African bank has sparked a firestorm of criticism after informing customers they would still have to pay off their mortgage even if their property is seized by the government.
In an email circulating on social media, an official from Nedbank — one of the country’s big five banks — informed the customer that “bond payments remain due” regardless of any expropriation, “with or without compensation”.
A Nedbank spokesman said clients were urged to “be patient as this process unfolds”. “Until there’s further clarity on this process, it is business as usual at Nedbank,” he said.
It comes as tensions reach fever pitch after Donald Trump’s controversial comments last week on the racially charged issue of land redistribution sparked an international incident and accusations the US President was peddling a “white supremacist” conspiracy theory.
Civil rights group Afriforum, which represents the white Afrikaner minority, alleges that white farmers are being targeted in a brutal campaign of politically motivated farm attacks.
The exact numbers of people killed in such attacks is disputed. The AgriSA union representing commercial farmers says the number was 47 last year, Afriforum says the real number is 84.​
Bottom Line
There are a lot of charges and suppositions on both sides that obscure one simple point: One does not fix injustice with more injustice.
Any plan to confiscate land in the name of "justice" is not just and is bound to fail.
Mike "Mish" Shedlock
 

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Might makes right, if you can steal it, you should, just ask the Israelis...we can't lead by example here guys, we were silent when it counted.
 

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Customers Must Honor Home loan Payments even if Land is Seized
Nedbank says Customers Must Honor Home loan Payments even if Land is Seized.
A South African bank has sparked a firestorm of criticism after informing customers they would still have to pay off their mortgage even if their property is seized by the government.​
In an email circulating on social media, an official from Nedbank — one of the country’s big five banks — informed the customer that “bond payments remain due” regardless of any expropriation, “with or without compensation”.​
A Nedbank spokesman said clients were urged to “be patient as this process unfolds”. “Until there’s further clarity on this process, it is business as usual at Nedbank,” he said.​
Business as usual meaning customers get stabbed in the bank, err, back, as well as financially raped.​
That's sooooo black...​
 

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Might makes right, if you can steal it, you should, just ask the Israelis...we can't lead by example here guys, we were silent when it counted.
I don't need to ask anyone anything to know that might does not make right.
If might made right, anything anyone could do would be right. There would be no right and wrong.
It simply isn't so. There is right and wrong.
Right and wrong are rational, abstract concepts. They are the product of reason. Reason makes right.
The Israelis had the power to take other people's land, just as the brown socialists now have the power to take other people's land in SA. However, neither the Israelis nor the socialists in SA have the right to take anyone's land.
 

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You certainly have not been paying attention sir....there is indeed no right and wrong in America any more. This is how we got Trump!
Well, it's the reason we got Trump, anyway. Not necessarily how we got Trump, but I think that's what you meant.
 

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I don't need to ask anyone anything to know that might does not make right.
If might made right, anything anyone could do would be right. There would be no right and wrong.
It simply isn't so. There is right and wrong.
Right and wrong are rational, abstract concepts. They are the product of reason. Reason makes right.
The Israelis had the power to take other people's land, just as the brown socialists now have the power to take other people's land in SA. However, neither the Israelis nor the socialists in SA have the right to take anyone's land.
As with many of your posts, Libertaurum, I'm mostly in agreement with what you say. You always sneak in a sentence or two, though, that I just can't get behind. I gave you a "like" for the bulk of your statement.
 

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You certainly have not been paying attention sir....there is indeed no right and wrong in America any more. This is how we got Trump!
You're right about the loss of principles leading to the current state of affairs, which is sad. However, there still is indeed right and wrong, regardless of what anyone in the US, America or the world might be led to believe.

As with many of your posts, Libertaurum, I'm mostly in agreement with what you say. You always sneak in a sentence or two, though, that I just can't get behind. I gave you a "like" for the bulk of your statement.
Thanks SOG. I wonder to which part of what I said you object.
 

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You're right about the loss of principles leading to the current state of affairs, which is sad. However, there still is indeed right and wrong, regardless of what anyone in the US, America or the world might be led to believe.


Thanks SOG. I wonder to which part of what I said you object.
Well, sometimes you come across as an idealist and sometimes you come across as a rationalist. In this most recent statement, you are coming through as a rationalist, since you claim that reason makes right, not might. I agree that reason is a better measuring rod for morality, or right, than force, however people can rationalize all kinds of stuff to suit their own desires and viewpoints. I believe there have to be immutable guiding moral principles that can only be supplied by God Himself, taking human reason and ideals out of the equation. That's where I disagree with you.
 

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Well, sometimes you come across as an idealist and sometimes you come across as a rationalist. In this most recent statement, you are coming through as a rationalist, since you claim that reason makes right, not might. I agree that reason is a better measuring rod for morality, or right, than force, however people can rationalize all kinds of stuff to suit their own desires and viewpoints. I believe there have to be immutable guiding moral principles that can only be supplied by God Himself, taking human reason and ideals out of the equation. That's where I disagree with you.
Thanks for taking the time to explain that.

I don't try to come across a certain way and I don't know exactly what you consider the difference to be between a rationalist and an idealist. I'm not sure they are mutually exclusive, either. The term "idealist" also suggests unrealistic. Was Galileo an idealist or a rationalist? Or was he both?

As to your specific point of disagreement, if I understand you correctly, your objection is that reason is open to interpretation and can be used to justify anything, so we need God himself to supply guiding moral principles.

My objection to that is that, while our use of reason may at times be defective, reason is not subjective. And neither is right and wrong. Of course anything can be rationalized to suit certain agendas, but reason is much more accessible to most people than the mind of God. So long as God Himself doesn't directly supply those moral principles to each person on Earth, what God wants is much more open to being misrepresented to suit certain agendas than reason. History proves this. What God wants is much more open to debate than whether 2+2=4. Many more despots have had to recur to justifying the attrocities they commit as the will of God than those who have tried to use reason. Proponents of reason generally do not seek to rule others as despots. Proponents of the will of God often have.
 

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Perhaps come and live here for a month. or two.

I'm just laughing my arse off at the African Expertise we have on this thread.

Africa is not for sissies.

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Perhaps come and live here for a month. or two.

I'm just laughing my arse off at the African Expertise we have on this thread.

Africa is not for sissies.

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A friend of mine tried to talk me into joining the peace corp with him, lol, poor Joe!

The interview guy bounced me after 2 minutes into the first round, lol

Joe lasted about 2 weeks in Goatsmellawana. Little village just south of One Cow. 7 days drive from the closest airport that was 6 hours by Cessna caravan from the closest airport with indoor plumbing.

I was happy as hell I failed!
 

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Pity DBD. The rest of Africa don't carry the vinegar chip on their shoulder.

If you can't 'work' here, where can you?

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Another SA export.


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Another African.


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My apologies for the thread drift. Very sorry.
 

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Now you're just talking shit.

Any case, up yours.

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And you thought Trevor Raeburn was a local?

LMAO.

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Pity DBD. The rest of Africa don't carry the vinegar chip on their shoulder.

If you can't 'work' here, where can you?

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I'm too, "American". I left a cruise early because I couldn't get a double cheeseburger and fries.

Africa doesn't suck. What the globalists have done to Africa, that's what sucks.
 

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DBD. I'll reply when I'm sober.

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Check out

 
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Sorry to re-rail the thread, but...

Bank Tells South African Farmers They Will Have to Pay Debts for Property Seized by the State
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South African farmers subjected to land expropriation without compensation will still have to pay off their debts for property which has been seized by the state, according to a major bank.
In an email from Nedbank widely circulated on social media, now confirmed as genuine by Head of Group Media Relations Kedibonea Molopyane, according to The South African, farmers are warned that their debts will have to be paid in full even after their property is confiscated by the government.

It reads as follows:
“It is important to note the Home Loan agreement is subject to a contractual agreement, and bond payments remain due and payable until such time that the bond is paid in full irrespective of any form of land expropriation – with or without compensation. We would encourage you to continue with the bond payments until such time a determination is made.”
Sort of like still having to pay off a car loan on a vehicle that has been totaled.
Only on a bit larger scale.
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Let's see what's shakin in SA today...………….

South Africa Makes Rare Intervention to Contain Fuel Prices
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...tervenes-in-fuel-prices-as-consumers-strained

Boston Firm Admits ‘Massive Failure’ in Plan to Aid South Africa Tax Agency
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/02/world/africa/south-africa-tax-agency-bain.html

'Trump must really take his long hair and leave our people the hell alone' – SA farmers
https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/...-sa-farmers-reject-land-reform-tweet-20180826

Let South Africans 'resolve their own problems' - Magashule to Donald Trump
https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/...n-problems-magashule-to-donald-trump-20180903
I agree that the white farmers in SA are not our problem. We need to stop sticking our noses in other people's business. That being said, no aid...zero, zilch, Nada, to SA
 

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As Land Confiscations Loom, South Africa Rules 300,000 Gun-Owners Turn Over Their Weapons
If they do they deserve to be wiped out, as they surely will be, and not a drop of American blood had better be shed to defend them!
 
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I have dusted off my old crystal ball and have a prediction for the future. Maybe whoever is here 20 years from now will remember this prognostication of mine and either laugh at me or start a cult of people whose sole purpose in life will be to find out if I made any other predictions that they can benefit from in their future...



Here is my prediction:



They will take all of the land but in the end it will be not in the hands of the local black population. It will be, in the end ... in the hands of the Chinese.
 

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These white south africans need a “Q”
Thread so they think they are winning maybe have some stupid shit leaders dressed up as comic book heros and a comic book plan also. Someone get Lionel on it.
 

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Might makes right, if you can steal it, you should, just ask the Israelis...we can't lead by example here guys, we were silent when it counted.
When has it ever been different ? "just ask < insert your favorite country here >"

The world is one big mafia. Always has been ... always will be ...

we can be lucky enough to live under the tyranny of a big dog, or unfortunate enough to have to live under tyranny of a little dog - either way, we live in a tyranny

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Well Searcher while you want to post your garbage in this thread. Just continue as you know best. A loota continua.

Thanks Shooter, up yours too.

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Well Searcher while you want to post your garbage in this thread. Just continue as you know best. A loota continua.

Thanks Shooter, up yours too.

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The way I see it you have two choices, either turn over your guns and surely die or use them and probably still die but die fighting. There's no 3rd choice that I can see other than get the hell outta there while you still can. When are you going to say enough is enough down there?

You have a nigger problem in SA and we have a Bolshevik Communist Jew problem in the US. We'll need to make the same choices you're faced with now here soon enough. 300 millions guns will NOT be turned over in the US, that I can tell you!
 
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I know if I were one of the farmers I would be out of there before they got to me. -- and maybe I would plant a lot of bamboo everywhere it would take beforehand.
 

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SA is proving in spades (no pun intended), that "Democracy is two wolves and one sheep voting on what's for dinner."
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At least we have yet another argument for why we need guns. It ain’t for hunting.
 

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Guess who is in South Africa right now visiting with the land confiscator in Chief...why none other than Bill and Hillary''


The Democrats want Bill and Hillary Clinton nowhere near America as voters head to the polls on Tuesday.

In fact, the pair is 8,111 milesfrom Washington, D.C. for a business leaders summit in Johannesburg, South Africa.

African News Agency reports:

Speaking at the Discovery Leadership Summit in Johannesburg, the Clintons said they were hopeful about democracies around the world but cautionary, among other things about ungoverned technology and artificial intelligence possibly threatening job security in economies such as South Africa’s.

Hillary said government under President Cyril Ramaphosa was hopeful for South Africa after a difficult prior decade.

“What citizens want to see is hope that is tethered to results. Part of what is going on in Europe and the US is that democracy is not delivering the kind of results that people want. Some of what they want is not as basic as other places, like South Africa, where you first have to deal with inequality, lift people up and create a diverse and inclusive society,” she said.




“Hillary and I have spent our lives fighting an us-versus-them world. And it seems that all the walls in the world look more like nets now,” Bill said.

The Clintons met with South African President Cyril Ramaphosa at the event.



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President @CyrilRamaphosa receives a courtesy call from former President of the United States of America, Mr Bill Clinton & former Secretary of State, Ms Hillary Rodham Clinton at the Discovery Leadership Summit held at the Sandton Convention Centre in Johannesburg.



It’s likely not a coincidence the Clintons are thousands of miles away.

Unlike Barack Obama and Joe Biden, Hillary has not been holding rallies for Democrat candidates.
Neither has Bill. There might be a reason for that, according to the New York Times:

When a Republican state legislator in Arkansas pushed last year to rename the Bill and Hillary Clinton National Airport in Little Rock, Clarke Tucker stood up for the former president.

“The argument was that the people of Arkansas don’t support the Clintons,” said Mr. Tucker, a Democratic member of the state House of Representatives. “My thought at the time was, well, the people of Arkansas voted for Clinton eight times.”

But now, as the Democratic nominee in the tightest congressional race in this state, Mr. Tucker is happy for the former president and his wife to remain a plane ride away. Mr. Clinton, who was governor and attorney general of Arkansas, was once a near-ubiquitous presence helping Democrats in tough races back home, but the former president hasn’t been asked to appear on the trail for Mr. Tucker.

There are no plans for him to do so. Or, for that matter, appear publicly with any Democrat running in the midterm elections.

“Every election is about the future,” Tucker said.