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How many have been graded......

For the MS 2013-W $50 GAE

NGC 9/16/13

2457 - Submitted

2040 - MS70

417 - MS69


PCGS 9/16/13

1104 - Submitted

882 - MS70

222 - MS69


MS70 - NGC - 83% - PCGS - 79.8%

MS69 - NGC - 17% - PCGS - 20.2%



On 9/16/13 if we're at 5551 - 2457 - 1104 = 1990 either ungraded or at other graders.
 
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...week 14...

2011: 4145
2012: 5487
2013: 5480

We need this coin to go red/backorder in November assuring us of no 2nd striking run. Assuming an average weekly sales of 200 coins for the next 10 weeks followed by a sellout that would put us at 7500 coins. Does that work for you guys?
 

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^^^ 7500 units doesn't make me particularly happy, but it does put it below 2011 which I think was just over 8000, so I guess it's ok.

Where are those spouses when you need them?

edit: added some mintage info to keep everything in perspective.
 

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Finding myself with nothing to do, let's try another chart!

Design may change from week to week as I find something I like better. Feel free to suggest changes.
 

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does anyone know why the 2012-w eagle was cut so short?
They struck about 6000 initially. They sold out of the 6000 in their 20th week of availability in November, which is too late in the calender year for them to want to strike more. Sounds overly simple but that's how it works to the best of my knowledge.
 

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They struck about 6000 initially. They sold out of the 6000 in their 20th week of availability in November, which is too late in the calender year for them to want to strike more. Sounds overly simple but that's how it works to the best of my knowledge.
Some digging reveals a little history.

The 2011 coin went backorder on or about 9/29 of that year with most recent reported sales of 5817. When it sold out in mid-Jan. '12 final sales were 8,822.

The 2012 coin went backorder just hours before showing sold out on Nov. 9 of that year, with most recent reported sales of 5,796.

Sooooo.... did the mint initially strike 5,800 coins this year? Will we find out here in a week or two with the latest price drop? If so and a 2nd strike is done, more or less than the 2011's 2nd strike of 3000 coins?
 

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And the expected chart.....

And a trip back to post #81 for the graded population report may be of interest to some ....
 

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from a numbers view, do you believe that 10,000 is the key?
Also, will 2013 see a larger mintage than the previous two years?

I also wonder what the Mint's plans are for 2014? If another/other Au coin(s) outside what is already minted come out, it seems the numbers for the AGE will be lower.
 

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from a numbers view, do you believe that 10,000 is the key?
Also, will 2013 see a larger mintage than the previous two years?

I also wonder what the Mint's plans are for 2014? If another/other Au coin(s) outside what is already minted come out, it seems the numbers for the AGE will be lower.
The 10,000 mintage number would seem to be important since there are very few collectable Eagles under that number. But with ever-declining sales, and more issues falling under the 10k barrier a 10K mintage probably drops in significance. It's going to take a lower number to get attention goin forward. Even the 1/2 PR AGE has a shot at sub-10K for 2013.

It's hard to imagine, at the current pace of sales, and going by historical mint habits and striking data, that this coin will go over the 2011's 8,822. My guess is the 2013 will finish between 6.5K and 7.5K sales and that beats a stick in the eye.
 

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The 10,000 mintage number would seem to be important since there are very few collectable Eagles under that number. But with ever-declining sales, and more issues falling under the 10k barrier a 10K mintage probably drops in significance. It's going to take a lower number to get attention goin forward. Even the 1/2 PR AGE has a shot at sub-10K for 2013.

It's hard to imagine, at the current pace of sales, and going by historical mint habits and striking data, that this coin will go over the 2011's 8,822. My guess is the 2013 will finish between 6.5K and 7.5K sales and that beats a stick in the eye.
Sep 19-25 --- 5,635
2012 --- 6,118

I truly wish the Unc Bison were still minted but alas... this is the first and last(hopefully) coin that I may look at as both a collector/investor.
What I 've told myself is that when 2014 comes to market, I will compare the price to bullion weight. In other words, Unc Eagle price to troy oz in bullion Eagle. Rather have 1.5toz bullion than one Unc.
 

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Sales @ week 17:

2011: 5229
2012: 5606
2013: 5663

Referencing my 9/18 post & assuming an initial strike of 5,800 coins, wouldn't we like to see more 28-coin sales weeks like we just had.
 

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Sales @ week 17:

2011: 5229
2012: 5606
2013: 5663

Referencing my 9/18 post & assuming an initial strike of 5,800 coins, wouldn't we like to see more 28-coin sales weeks like we just had.
I'd like a six coin week like they had this past week in 2012 even better! :thumbs_up:
 

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I must say...
the more I have followed this thread and mintage numbers, if the coin is minted at years end I will not wait for '14 and jump on board for 2013.
this is not as good as the unc bison of '08 but is much better than the unc spouses!
the numbers from the RedBook, Greysheet and online dealers seem to make this coin a sleeper.
To add, I have found dealers that sell same year ('13) cheaper than the Mint.
 
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I must say...
the more I have followed this thread and mintage numbers, if the coin is minted at years end I will not wait for '14 and jump on board for 3013.
this is not as good as the unc bison of '08 but is much better than the unc spouses!
the numbers from the RedBook, Greysheet and online dealers seem to make this coin a sleeper.
To add, I have found dealers that sell same year ('13) cheaper than the Mint.
What is the future of the unc.-W series of coins? Plats and buffs long gone, silver and gold skipped over for two years. I would've thought the AGE's and ASE's would be eliminated by now with their ever-declining sales. That's perhaps one reason not to sleep on them.
 

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I must say...
the more I have followed this thread and mintage numbers, if the coin is minted at years end I will not wait for '14 and jump on board for 3013.
this is not as good as the unc bison of '08 but is much better than the unc spouses!
the numbers from the RedBook, Greysheet and online dealers seem to make this coin a sleeper.
To add, I have found dealers that sell same year ('13) cheaper than the Mint.
curious to know where you are finding them for less than the mint.

Cheers!
 

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HUGE sales last week.
2011: ?
2012: 6114 (sold out)
2013: 6765 !!

The '5800' theory is quite obviously, toast.
from 5730 to 6765 in seven days. I wonder if the mint is playing catch up on its reporting?
I still believe that if mintages remain below 10000 that this is a coin to have. a mintage of 8000 would be very good.
I am now 100% sold on the UNC AGE!
 

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HUGE sales last week.
2011: ?
2012: 6114 (sold out)
2013: 6765 !!

The '5800' theory is quite obviously, toast.
Seems like a coordinated attack! Wonder if someone with deep pockets went long? No other way to explain going from 5 units sold last week to 1035 this week.
 

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Seems like a coordinated attack! Wonder if someone with deep pockets went long? No other way to explain going from 5 units sold last week to 1035 this week.
All Gold gold numi sales were way higher across the board last week with the 1 oz gold PR selling nearly 1000 and the PR buff selling 554. Commem. and spouse sales up. Price drop must explain a lot. Gold proof $50 is showing backorder again, but our beloved unc. is hangin tough. I swear if this thing doesn't sellout soon I'm hangin it up and conceding defeat. I don't know what the heck the mint does anymore.
 

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All Gold gold numi sales were way higher across the board last week with the 1 oz gold PR selling nearly 1000 and the PR buff selling 554. Commem. and spouse sales up. Price drop must explain a lot. Gold proof $50 is showing backorder again, but our beloved unc. is hangin tough. I swear if this thing doesn't sellout soon I'm hangin it up and conceding defeat. I don't know what the heck the mint does anymore.
They do keep one guessing and on their toes - almost the way any market might... I don't know if these are random decisions or part of some well thought out plan to keep the game interesting, but it sure does seem hard to apply pure logic to figure out what they will do next. As long as we have been in a bull market pretty much just covering all the bases and falling into something good by dumb luck was a decent plan, but these past couple of years with falling prices have made it harder to sort through what will leave one in the black vs the red.
 
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Seems like a coordinated attack! Wonder if someone with deep pockets went long? No other way to explain going from 5 units sold last week to 1035 this week.
And meanwhile, Apmex is discounting MS70 ER 2012-w slabs. very :confused:

Sales Blitz! Save $500.00 per coin!
Sold out at the U.S. Mint with a mintage of only 6,118 coins!
These Burnished Gold American Eagles were struck on special blanks and were treated to give them a look that is very distinct from regular business strike Gold Eagles. Each of these Burnished Gold Eagles has been graded MS-70 by NGC with the Early Releases label, guaranteeing they were received by NGC within the first 30 days of minting.

http://www.apmex.com/product/71382/2012-w-1-oz-burnished-gold-american-eagle-ms-70-ngc-er
 

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I would hardly call that a sales blitz! A blitz of some kind, though, maybe?... :bear_rolleyes:
 

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AP**X hasn't jacked up their prices so we can be pretty sure the Mint will produce more . . . unless the memo got misplaced somehow :eek_ma:
that's because precious metal exchange is watching this thread... my conspiracy theory

I have been lazy can someone post the total mintages for all years??? thanks
2006 = 5708
2007 = 11602
2008 = 9057
2009 = N/A
2010 = N/A
2011 = ?
2012 = ? 6114 but not from US Mint report
 

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that's because precious metal exchange is watching this thread... my conspiracy theory

I have been lazy can someone post the total mintages for all years??? thanks
2006 = 5708
2007 = 11602
2008 = 9057
2009 = N/A
2010 = N/A
2011 = ?
2012 = ? 6114 but not from US Mint report
2006-W 45,053
2007-W 18,608
2008-W 11,908
2009-W Not Minted
2010-W Not Minted
2011-W 8,800
2012-W 6,114

They have pretty good mintage charts over on Modern Coin Mart
 

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So they key question to ask "is did the US Mint intentionally under report the mintage numbers of this years coins?" I highly doubt that a dealer would buy 1,000+ coins and push the mintage up thus destroying value at the same time. I know I was watching the mintage race and nearly bought a coin a couple different times when the 2013 coin lagged behind. Something smells.