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Alex Jones DYNAMITES the courtroom! O Raffs!
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Alex Jones is another mystery to me. I have my suspicions but don't know. I do wish he had left Sandy Hook alone and concentrated more on Epstein.
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Well,... he does not want to "not hang himself" or catch a case of "Arkanscide" or maybe have the "Royal Hand of God" touch upon him.
Some entity has ALL the Epstein info and control of others with it.
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I think this is for the underlings. The very top tiers already have all the money and most of the control. For them its about implementing their satanic agenda for the big boss. I suspect they have been promised some type of immortally.
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There It Is.
They sandbagged him pretty bad
his own lawyer “accidentally” sent the opposing counsel 2 years worth of texts and email from Jones phone
they let him lie on the stand for two days before telling him about it and asking him if he knows what perjury is
his own lawyer “accidentally” sent the opposing counsel 2 years worth of texts and email from Jones phone
they let him lie on the stand for two days before telling him about it and asking him if he knows what perjury is
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That was total BS! Alex should beat the hell out of that guy.
He may have lost 4 million but I’ll bet he sues the crap out of his lawyer
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And I doubt Epstein was the only operation like that. Take Joe Manchin's sudden turn again West Virginian miners for example. Why would he do that, unless he was either bribed or blackmailed?
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In Texas, there are statutory limits on punitive damages, with a per-defendant cap of two times the amount of economic damages, plus the amount of noneconomic damages found by the jury—the latter part not to exceed $750,000.
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The combined award —which is likely to be reduced—is well below the $150 million that parents Neil Heslin and Scarlett Lewis sought for the InfoWars host’s assertions that the 2012 massacre in Newtown, Conn., was fabricated. Their six-year-old, Jesse Lewis, was killed in the shooting.
“Punitive damages are typically more of a bellwether or a barometer of where we are culturally; they are more iconic messages sending verdicts from the public to the defendant directly,” Jamie Abrams, law professor at American University, told Bloomberg Law. “And so, on that front, this trial is uniquely interesting, because it really is a political barometer of how much misinformation the public is willing to accept.”
Friday’s unanimous ruling closes the two-week trial in Travis County, Texas.
Friday’s damages are punishment for Jones’ statements, while Thursday’s damages were meant to compensate the parents for economic and noneconomic damages like emotional distress.
“I am asking you to take the bullhorn away from Alex Jones and all others who believe they can profit off fear and misinformation,” plaintiffs’ lawyer Wesley Ball said during closing arguments Friday.
“I suggest to you to return a verdict that is proportionate,” Jones’ attorney Andino Reynal countered during his own closing, asking jurors to order just $270,000 in punitive damages. “You’ve already sent a message. A message for the first time to a talk show host, to all talk show hosts, that their standard of care has to change.”
Judge Maya Guerra Gamble of the 459th District Court in Travis County may reduce the punitive damages given those caps, and Jones’ attorneys said immediately after the verdict that they would file a motion to reduce the punitive award.
The Texas law “protects companies and bad actors like Alex Jones, so that they’re never going to be punished to the full extent that would be needed to truly deter them from future actions and to teach other people that this is bad behavior,” said Carrie Goldberg of the C.A. Goldberg Law Firm in New York. “Texas is unusual.”
The very purpose of punitive damages gets frustrated when there’s a cap, she said.
“We do not believe punitive damage caps are constitutional as applied to our case and will certainly litigate that issue if necessary,” Mark Bankston, one of the plaintiffs’ attorneys, told Bloomberg Law.
The trial was shocking at times, including when Bankston told Jones earlier in the week that his defense team had accidentally sent the plaintiffs’ lawyers a record of previously requested text messages. Bankston also said that the US House committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021 insurrection at the US Capitol had requested the texts, and Gamble hinted Friday that she wouldn’t stand in the way of that.
Immediately after the Friday ruling, Bankston said he would seek sanctions against Jones’ attorneys for their handling of evidence and their conduct at trial.
Reynal said he’d tell the court which communications he would seek to reseal, and Gamble said she would set a hearing on those motions.
The defamation case vindicates Jesse’s memory, Ball said during closing arguments on Friday.
The court already determined in a 2021 default judgment that Jones was liable for defamation and intentional infliction of emotional distress.
Farrar & Ball LLP represented the parents. Reynal Law Firm PC represented Jones.
The case is Helsin v. Jones, Tex. Dist. Ct., No. D-1-GN-18-001835, 8/5/22.
(Updates throughout with commentary on punitive damages.)
—With assistance from Kaustuv Basu and James Nani.
To contact the reporter on this story: Janet Miranda in Houston at jmiranda@bloombergindustry.com
To contact the editors responsible for this story: Rob Tricchinelli at rtricchinelli@bloomberglaw.com; Nicholas Datlowe at ndatlowe@bloomberglaw.com
Alex Jones Ordered to Pay $45 Million in Punitive Damages (2)
A Texas jury on Friday ordered Alex Jones to pay $45.2 million in punitive damages to the parents of a Sandy Hook victim, a day after he was ordered to pay $4.1 million in actual damages for claiming that the school shooting was a hoax.
Alex Jones Ordered to Pay $45 Million in Punitive Damages (2)
Aug. 5, 2022, 5:51 PM; Updated: Aug. 5, 2022, 7:02 PMListen
- Jones ordered to pay nearly $50 million in combined damages
- Case could be cultural ‘barometer’ over misinformation
The combined award —which is likely to be reduced—is well below the $150 million that parents Neil Heslin and Scarlett Lewis sought for the InfoWars host’s assertions that the 2012 massacre in Newtown, Conn., was fabricated. Their six-year-old, Jesse Lewis, was killed in the shooting.
“Punitive damages are typically more of a bellwether or a barometer of where we are culturally; they are more iconic messages sending verdicts from the public to the defendant directly,” Jamie Abrams, law professor at American University, told Bloomberg Law. “And so, on that front, this trial is uniquely interesting, because it really is a political barometer of how much misinformation the public is willing to accept.”
Friday’s unanimous ruling closes the two-week trial in Travis County, Texas.
Friday’s damages are punishment for Jones’ statements, while Thursday’s damages were meant to compensate the parents for economic and noneconomic damages like emotional distress.
“I am asking you to take the bullhorn away from Alex Jones and all others who believe they can profit off fear and misinformation,” plaintiffs’ lawyer Wesley Ball said during closing arguments Friday.
“I suggest to you to return a verdict that is proportionate,” Jones’ attorney Andino Reynal countered during his own closing, asking jurors to order just $270,000 in punitive damages. “You’ve already sent a message. A message for the first time to a talk show host, to all talk show hosts, that their standard of care has to change.”
Damage Caps
In Texas, there are statutory limits on punitive damages, with a per-defendant cap of two times the amount of economic damages, plus the amount of noneconomic damages found by the jury—the latter part not to exceed $750,000.Judge Maya Guerra Gamble of the 459th District Court in Travis County may reduce the punitive damages given those caps, and Jones’ attorneys said immediately after the verdict that they would file a motion to reduce the punitive award.
The Texas law “protects companies and bad actors like Alex Jones, so that they’re never going to be punished to the full extent that would be needed to truly deter them from future actions and to teach other people that this is bad behavior,” said Carrie Goldberg of the C.A. Goldberg Law Firm in New York. “Texas is unusual.”
The very purpose of punitive damages gets frustrated when there’s a cap, she said.
“We do not believe punitive damage caps are constitutional as applied to our case and will certainly litigate that issue if necessary,” Mark Bankston, one of the plaintiffs’ attorneys, told Bloomberg Law.
Mistaken Disclosure
Jones and InfoWars’ parent company, Free Speech Systems LLC, were co-defendants in the case.The trial was shocking at times, including when Bankston told Jones earlier in the week that his defense team had accidentally sent the plaintiffs’ lawyers a record of previously requested text messages. Bankston also said that the US House committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021 insurrection at the US Capitol had requested the texts, and Gamble hinted Friday that she wouldn’t stand in the way of that.
Immediately after the Friday ruling, Bankston said he would seek sanctions against Jones’ attorneys for their handling of evidence and their conduct at trial.
Reynal said he’d tell the court which communications he would seek to reseal, and Gamble said she would set a hearing on those motions.
‘100% Real’
Jones conceded under oath earlier this week that the massacre was “100% real.” He also admitted that it was irresponsible of him to declare the shooting a hoax.The defamation case vindicates Jesse’s memory, Ball said during closing arguments on Friday.
The court already determined in a 2021 default judgment that Jones was liable for defamation and intentional infliction of emotional distress.
Farrar & Ball LLP represented the parents. Reynal Law Firm PC represented Jones.
The case is Helsin v. Jones, Tex. Dist. Ct., No. D-1-GN-18-001835, 8/5/22.
(Updates throughout with commentary on punitive damages.)
—With assistance from Kaustuv Basu and James Nani.
To contact the reporter on this story: Janet Miranda in Houston at jmiranda@bloombergindustry.com
To contact the editors responsible for this story: Rob Tricchinelli at rtricchinelli@bloomberglaw.com; Nicholas Datlowe at ndatlowe@bloomberglaw.com
There was a murdering crook with the nickname "Lucky Luciano".
He beat the rap until Thomas Dewey (prosecutor) lied, cheated, and framed Luciano... got him deported.
Sort of the same justice here: An egregious "cheat" was done to nail a rotten piece of shit.
There is sort of a strangely apropos justice in this blatant injustice...
He beat the rap until Thomas Dewey (prosecutor) lied, cheated, and framed Luciano... got him deported.
Sort of the same justice here: An egregious "cheat" was done to nail a rotten piece of shit.
There is sort of a strangely apropos justice in this blatant injustice...
Joe Manchin was promised the Mountain Valley pipeline for his vote
they aren’t eve.n making an effort to hide it anymore
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My Opinion…
This whole “defamation” case was improper. It was a trial to see if they could penalize free speech. Thereby adding an arrow to the quiver against anyone they wish to silence.
defamation is a necessary tort when an individuals reputation is tangibly damaged. The award is to make the victim whole again.
just having some carnival barker saying it was all a hoax is not specifically injurious because the normal man rolls his eyes and thinks “listen to the kook”.
this trial was about feelings
that Jones’ followers were unstable and harassing the parents isn’t Jones’ fault.
the loss of critical thinking is the risk. Now we are going to be persecuting the speaker for what the listener does. Just like what they are trying to do with guns (making manufacturers accountable for what the buyers do with them)
This whole “defamation” case was improper. It was a trial to see if they could penalize free speech. Thereby adding an arrow to the quiver against anyone they wish to silence.
defamation is a necessary tort when an individuals reputation is tangibly damaged. The award is to make the victim whole again.
just having some carnival barker saying it was all a hoax is not specifically injurious because the normal man rolls his eyes and thinks “listen to the kook”.
this trial was about feelings
that Jones’ followers were unstable and harassing the parents isn’t Jones’ fault.
the loss of critical thinking is the risk. Now we are going to be persecuting the speaker for what the listener does. Just like what they are trying to do with guns (making manufacturers accountable for what the buyers do with them)
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End of the day,some lawsuits are worthless, if you have your money in the right kind of trusts, your opponent gets nothing, and if you don't have the money you go bankrupt and your opponent still gets nothing...and of course, if they can't find you... https://www.investopedia.com/articles/retirement/07/buildawall.asp
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and this is where is all goes off the rails
this type of a justice system continues to 'record' all such events and sets itself up for more of them in the future, thus ensuring it's entire failure one day if only because the 'exception' becomes the rule
that's never the way to 'do it right'
it's easy to get caught up with boot style justice as long as a 'reasonable' amount of narrative disguised as more 'reason' can spin it 'a particular way' but that's not really justice at all, even if we'd like to believe otherwise
as a society, we're so broken it's becoming a profitable business model to twist stuff and sell the potion that makes it all appear to make any sense at all
see pharmaceutical companies for plenty of examples...
me, i think ya got caught up in the 'excitement' and I get it, that still happens to me sometimes....
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Years ago one of the same parents who was going after Jones was also going after Wolfgang Halbig. However, the lawsuit against Halbig was dropped. I wonder why Halbig is a harder target than Jones. Better lawyer? Better knowledge of what happened? I find it really curious.
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Until the same tactic is used on the innocent. It just loses its shine after that.
True dat. I tried to make that very plain.
I would equate it with the scenario of the bad guy getting away with the gold statue... but running into a huge pungi-stake pit.
I am not up for throwing people in the pungi pit. Ever.
I would equate it with the scenario of the bad guy getting away with the gold statue... but running into a huge pungi-stake pit.
I am not up for throwing people in the pungi pit. Ever.