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It is tough to crank out 56 inspired pucks in 10 years. Some pucks are better than others, but I still like pucks. :D

You cannot please everybody all of the time with every single puck.
 

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Damn, I was hoping the Georgia puck would get the turtle design instead of the bird. I can kind of sympathize with you a little bit Art on the bird dominated designs now. The guy in the canoe turns me off on the Wisconsin, but I knew he was coming so no surprise.

A tube each of Michigan and Minnesota for me.
So far, at the moment, no 2018 bullion or "P" puck purchases for me next year. Of course that is subject to change.
 

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Not allowing me to use the promo code. I get a reply saying the order total is lower than amount required for promo code. This is for the Ozark.
Yep, too late.

Coupon worked on amything, was only suppose to work on collectibles

 
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I snagged an Ellis Island for 88 bucks and change. Free shipping too, since it was my first order with them. I've bought from MCM many times off of Ebay. They are a little slower on shipping, but no issues ever. By the way, how did you find out about that Promo Code? Thanks again Lou!
 

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It is tough to crank out 56 inspired pucks in 10 years. Some pucks are better than others, but I still like pucks. :D
One thing that crossed my mind recently. With the way they've been wanting to take down statues and memorials related to US history lately, Those memorials depicted on some of these coins may be the only thing left to remember these things by some day. Changing History books is easy. Orwell was a true "Seer".
 

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I snagged an Ellis Island for 88 bucks and change. Free shipping too, since it was my first order with them. I've bought from MCM many times off of Ebay. They are a little slower on shipping, but no issues ever. By the way, how did you find out about that Promo Code? Thanks again Lou!
Good job, you had to be quick. Yeah they are legit. Same here, bought on ebay. It's never wise to make your purchases from dealer sites, unless something fluke like this. Ebay from same dealers is cheaper 90% of the time.
 

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I forgot...when is the next bullion puck being released? I have a pre-sale order in but it seems like that was years ago
 

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I think the Mint will start sales next week on the 28th. Prolly be another week or two until the retailers start shipping.
 

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Ellis Island now a bit higher (paid $93.75 pre-sale (10) a few weeks ago). Should ship soon to dealers

Now:

APMEX $117.45
MCM $116.20
SD...$111
JM...$116
BayPM...$114.93
BGASC..$113.95

(Single/CC/)
 

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From what I hear mint allocations to wholesalers are low for Ellis Island. It would seem from the early going that this will be another low mintage release, although the mint can turn on a dime and change all of that up. The bigger question is why this is happening. Are low mintages due to some issue the mint is having producing these coins or are they purposely keeping mintage down? If the latter is the case, then why? To stimulate demand for the series?

Lots to ponder. Someone knows what is what, but it sure ain't me.:don't know:
 

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I see. Don't know why people like Jack Hunt were allocated a lower amount than usual and have already sold out. Someone has to be sitting on lots of these. It will be interesting to see if the premium falls.
 

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Speaking of bullion pucks, this was the last bullion puck that I bought up to this point.................

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I picked up this fancy PCGS slabbed 2012 Volcanoes bullion puck for "only" $175 from a LCS a couple of weeks ago. That price was the most that I paid for a 5-oz ATB puck but it was a Volcanoes puck and I could not turn away. :)
I ended up selling this puck a few days ago. I sold it for $280.00. After ebay/paypal fees and shipping costs, I made a net profit of $63.00.
 

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Speaking of Ellis Island, when the Mint announced their production "ramp-up" to begin with the 2016 coins, many people (including myself) were happy to load up on the 2015 Saratoga coin, which ended with a mintage of 45,000.

Maybe my purchase of 10 Effigy Mound coins wasn't so bad, only if it weren't for the big dip in spot price that happened afterward...
 

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Without going back through a bunch of posts, What is the new total(s) as far as mintages for the bullion and "P" pucks? 65,000 is in my head for a total, is that the new, or old figure? TIA
edit: Found it. 150k. Hmmm, That changes things a bit.
 
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I sold my Frederick Douglass bullion puck yesterday (9-1-2017) for $144 on ebay. I could have sold it for more but I did not want to get too greedy. After fees and after I ship it in the morning (9-2-1017), I will still make a decent profit selling it for $144. The bullion pucks for me have been decent money makers for me and I am very satisfied with my net profits from my ATB bullion pucks so far this year.
 

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Ended at 40k..

From Coin World:

The U.S. Mint sold out all 40,000 2017 Ellis Island National Monument 5-ounce silver bullion coins it had prepared for sale, by Aug. 31, three days after the coins went on sale to authorized purchasers.

The authorized purchasers were notified Aug. 31 that the bullion coins struck to date at the Philadelphia Mint were already sold, and no additional bullion coins bearing the Ellis Island design would be produced.

Authorized purchasers were notified that the Mint’s inventory still included an undisclosed number of 2016 Harpers Ferry National Historical Park 5-ounce silver bullion coins that would be offered for sale until stock was depleted. As of Aug. 31, 2017, the U.S. Mint recorded sales of 48,000 of the Harpers Ferry coins.
 

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So much for my prediction of a max mintage on Bullion version of Ellis, and a quick sellout of the "P" version! Changed my pre-order of Ellis "P" from 5 to only one the other day. Hope it was the right move. I really thought they were thinking of a huge demand of the Ellis issue, what with all the politics going on over this immigration issue. That's what I get for thinking, or trying to figure out the US Mint!
 

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The Mint needs to sneak in a 15k mintage for one of the P's to stimulate interest....and of course i also had trimmed down to one each.
Yeah, Just under that numerical threshold of collector's who seem to buy one, no matter what. Somewhere just under 15k or so? That oughta do it. You make Collector's squirm, and they'll react for sure.
 

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So much for my prediction of a max mintage on Bullion version of Ellis, and a quick sellout of the "P" version! Changed my pre-order of Ellis "P" from 5 to only one the other day. Hope it was the right move. I really thought they were thinking of a huge demand of the Ellis issue, what with all the politics going on over this immigration issue. That's what I get for thinking, or trying to figure out the US Mint!
I plan to eventually buy one Ellis "P" (and one George Rogers Clark "P") but I will not buy any more bullion pucks. The mintage is too unpredictable IMO. I will wait for the "dust to settle" on those. However, I will "bottom fish" for certain bullion pucks that I can flip for a profit on ebay.
 

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Unpredictability is what gives you a score occasionally (Fred and Ozark). The P's are becoming boring....17-18k since 2015...and the premium sucks
 

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Unpredictability is what gives you a score occasionally (Fred and Ozark). The P's are becoming boring....17-18k since 2015...and the premium sucks
Yep and I cashed in the unpredictability when I sold my Frederick Douglass and Ozark bullion pucks. I actually made a lot more money on certain pucks when I bottom fish for them at coin shows for .999 generic silver prices and sell them for collector premiums on ebay. I bought the Ellis puck during pre-sale and when I get my Ellis bullion puck from APMEX, I will sell that one too but I will wait to see what premiums are. I will also see what spot silver price will be at which can be just as unpredictable as the mintages on the bullion pucks.

The "P" pucks are becoming boring mintage-wise and the premium sucks but the "P" coins are better looking finishes than the bullion version. Boring can be good at times. JMHO of course.
 

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I didn't get interested in this coin series until about 3 years ago. Can someone tell me what the deal is, with the early coins (2010) being graded "Choice BU", versus with an MS number? You can find them graded both ways, but seems only the early coins were graded in two ways like this. Also, what is the comparative number to choice BU?
 

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I didn't get interested in this coin series until about 3 years ago. Can someone tell me what the deal is, with the early coins (2010) being graded "Choice BU", versus with an MS number? You can find them graded both ways, but seems only the early coins were graded in two ways like this. Also, what is the comparative number to choice BU?
Choice BU strictly speaking means MS63 or higher. In reality most of those coins would numerically grade 67, 68, 0r even 69. Back when the series first came out grading the coins 'Choice BU' was just a quick and dirty way of bulk grading and encapsulating these coins through the major grading companies. Since the size of the coins was unprecedented in US coin annals they required a bigger 'slab', and there was at the time no clear direction of how grading was going to go.

Now the vast majority of these coins are graded as MS69. My personal opinion is that these giant, 'in your face' pucks are so bold and impressive in hand that it is not worth getting too hung up on the numerical grade. as long as they are not mutilated they are impressive coins. 2c
 

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JM Bullion has raised prices for both...Ozark is now $148...Fred is $180
APMEX $140 Ozark...Fred $167
SD Bullion..both OOS
Provident $130/$158
MCM ,,Ozark $125..Fred OOS
BayPM...Ozark $133..Fred $171 (2 left)
Update on Prices of the 20k duo (Ozark/Fred) (Effigy added)

JM Bullion..$150/$171.35/$118.75
APMEX.......$142.70/$177.60/$121.80
SD Bullion...$132.45/$184.95/$116.95 (+shipping)
Provident.....$132/$159.74/OOS
MCM............all OOS
BayPM..........$134.40/OOS/$110.40
BGASC,,,,,,,,,all OOS
 

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So Ozark is still trailing Fred by around $5 an ounce in the premium department despite having the same mintage, more attractive design and being a state puck vs district puck.

Why do I have the strange feeling there's 4000 O's behind the microwave in the break room.
 

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