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IF there is such a thing.
I play blackjack now and again on a $15 two deck table.
I can usually get up a couple of hands (+$30)
Just with decent playing by the book plays and some general luck.

Casino quest (youtube) had a roulette system that looked interesting.
I'd try it on the electronic roulette machine for a few dollars and see how it runs in real life.

Anyone care to share?
Not looking to get rich quick, just play for a bit taking a win (hit and run) when it comes.
We sometimes go out for a cheap meal and anytime I can get the casino to pay for the meal that's a win.
 

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Here's what I do to double my money.

It has a 100% success rate too.

I take the money out of my pocket and fold it in half...

and put it back in my money clip.
 

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Update: There are now 18 legal online sports books in my state. Some of the sign up bonuses are $2,000. Do the math.
 

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Update: There are now 18 legal online sports books in my state. Some of the sign up bonuses are $2,000. Do the math.
I don't follow sports, but I know a guy that did that and made out rather well.
He worked at a sports bar where they had all the sports on TV and his picks were usually pretty spot on.
 

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Did you ever notice how beautiful casinos are? How brilliantly lite up and fabulously appointed each room in a casino is? The climate is just right and the food is amazing. How beautiful the drink girls are?

Casinos didn't get that way by loosing money. The house will always win in the end. There is a reason it is called gambling and not winning.

The best way to gamble in a casino is to not gamble at all. You will have better luck going to a yard/estate sale and finding that hidden treasure.
 

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I consider options trading to be something similar to gambling, it definitely isn’t investing.

You can have high success rates if you’re knowledgeable about what you’re trading and the market conditions, and not too greedy.
 

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Update: There are now 18 legal online sports books in my state. Some of the sign up bonuses are $2,000. Do the math.
Coming soon to Massivetwoshits. We just got casinos awhile back. Lottery has been going for 40 years.
 

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I don't follow sports, but I know a guy that did that and made out rather well.
He worked at a sports bar where they had all the sports on TV and his picks were usually pretty spot on.

The edge of my "system" is you don't need to know anything about sports. You don't care who wins or loses. It's irrelevant to the net win.

(Don't bet on sports such as soccer where a tie is fairly common. That kills the edge. Only bet on sports where the spread is not a full number. Only bet on spreads with a 1/2 point, such as 3-1/2, 4-1/2 etc. Again, a tie net of the spread is possible and that can kill the edge,)

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If gambling was winnable casinos would not exist, I don't bother.
 

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When I was in university, I'd play the dog races to stretch what meager income I had. I was good with numbers and could dissect a racing from from cover to cover and tell you what indicators to look for - it was an unorthodox approach, but it worked and I would almost always end ahead.

I had certain rules that I held to...

......make conservative bets, don't make stupid wagers. Quinellas and trifectas, key wheels and other such nonsense were suckers bets, as you could not realistically calculate odds on their outcomes.

....pay particular attention to the trainer and kennel, particular in lower grade races, good trainers and successful kennels produced good racers - not every time, but you had better odds going with successful outfits.

....when everyone is playing one or two favorites, split your money on the long shots and play across the board. All you need is a show to break even.

....Also, I'd look for what I termed "betting holes", when looking at how the bets were spread across win, place, and show. Sometimes, the bets would be lopsided, where the money was concentrated on the win and show bets, for example, and no one was betting the place. In this situation, you're chance of coming out ahead would improve notably by laying your money on the place bet, as you'd be exploiting the vagaries of the parimutual betting scheme, which essentially split the pool of money based on how the bets are laid (in this situation, you would double your odds of success, while losing considerably less than half of the payout).

For sports betting, you might be able to translate some of these rules and use them to your advantage. You can distill them down into 2 simple ideas - don't bet like an asshole and use every scrap of information you can to give you a slight edge. I remember an uncle of mine that bet $25 bucks on the Holmes-Tyson heavyweight title fight back in 1988 - to make a $27 return. That bet satisfied one of my two rules - it's conservative, in that Tyson was sure to win, unless a fix was in, which I doubt would have happened, as no one wanted a 38 year old ex-champ to regain the title and Tyson was a big draw back then. But, it failed rule #3, about playing favorites, when the odds insured little or no payoff.
 

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You aren't going to win at a casino. Period.

I split 10's and took one down for doubles on a 500 bet, got a king and an ace down, the house went bust at 25

The big guy came over and told me that I should go to my room, leave early, don't ever come back

If you can count a 6 deck shoe you don't waste that kind of talent at casino's
 

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I got banned from all the casinos in cripple creek for taking there money. A few years later were went to black hawk and security told me I couldnt play at the tables there either. I think they talk to each other.

wtf man?
 

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The only gambling I tried online was Texas Hold Em tournaments. $2 to enter and I would sometimes play for 5 hours on that $2 and get a nice payout. They would usually start with 3500 players. The best I did was made the final table and bowed out in 6th place. Successful gambling is about minimizing risk, and it's easy to do that when your worst-case scenario is losing 2 bucks.
 

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I got banned from all the casinos in cripple creek for taking there money. A few years later were went to black hawk and security told me I couldnt play at the tables there either. I think they talk to each other.

wtf man?

I can count cards at blackjack, though just for fun. Red chipper. A Greenie on a big plus count.

But not only do the casinos talk to each other, they take your photo, put you in a database and send it all around.

I know a couple of big money card counters and they often use disguises and other tactics to avoid being identified. And they spend a lot of time on the road going to out of the way small casinos on reservations, etc.

The game can still be beat, but it's a lot harder than it used to be. When necessary the casinos change the rules to counter the counters: 6/5 black jack, shuffle up halfway through the deck(s), limit double downs, etc.

But the idea that they don't like it when a player uses his or her brain to the fullest is absurd.
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I count cards at blackjack, though just for fun. Red chipper. A Greenie on a big plus count.

But not only do the casinos talk to each other, they take your photo, put you in a database and send it all around.

I know a couple of big money card counters and they often use disguises and other tactics to get around being identified. And they spend a lot of time on the road going to out of the way small casinos on reservations, etc.

The game can still be beat, but it's a lot harder than it used to be. When necessary the casinos change the rules (in their favor of course) to counter the counters: 6/5 black jack, shuffle up halfway through the deck, limiting double downs, etc.

But the idea that they don't like it when a player uses his or her brain to the fullest is absurd.
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The casinos don't like it when a player uses his or her brain to the fullest BECAUSE they don't make as much if any money... that's not to the casinos advantage...they really don't care about you as a player.
 
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ZZZZ, got any tips on counting?
I can usually only count for the first couple hands then it all goes to pot.
Guess I don't want it bad enough.
2 deck table is better for me.
I can usually get up a few hands ahead of casinos money but that's it before the cards turn.
I understand it's a rollercoaster thing UP/down so I do better leaving with my small wins and return later.
I'd guess The casino doesn't like it, but I'm not taking in large amounts of money.
I like to sit and play for longer periods of time but that doesn't translate to me making money.

Then sometimes I sit at a table one on one with the dealer and they kick my ass right out of the gate...you would think the play would be more 50/50?
Some days it just doesn't work out.
 

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ZZZZ, got any tips on counting?
I can usually only count for the first couple hands then it all goes to pot.
Guess I don't want it bad enough.
2 deck table is better for me.
I can usually get up a few hands ahead of casinos money but that's it before the cards turn.
I understand it's a rollercoaster thing UP/down so I do better leaving with my small wins and return later.
I'd guess The casino doesn't like it, but I'm not taking in large amounts of money.
I like to sit and play for longer periods of time but that doesn't translate to me making money.

Then sometimes I sit at a table one on one with the dealer and they kick my ass right out of the gate...you would think the play would be more 50/50?
Some days it just doesn't work out.
practice practice practice

This guy and his website have a lot of great info for noobs. You don't need to join the club, the free mini-course videos are all you need to get your game in shape.

 
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IF there is such a thing.
I play blackjack now and again on a $15 two deck table.
I can usually get up a couple of hands (+$30)
Just with decent playing by the book plays and some general luck.

Casino quest (youtube) had a roulette system that looked interesting.
I'd try it on the electronic roulette machine for a few dollars and see how it runs in real life.

Anyone care to share?
Not looking to get rich quick, just play for a bit taking a win (hit and run) when it comes.
We sometimes go out for a cheap meal and anytime I can get the casino to pay for the meal that's a win.
In 1962'63 a group of us studied Beat The Dealer, by Edward O. Thorp.
We studied hard & practiced at lunch.
We hit Vegas on the weekends.
It paid off, not real big, but good enough that we were noticed & uninvited.
It is a singled deck system, but should work with 2 decks maximum.
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You aren't going to win at a casino. Period.

I split 10's and took one down for doubles on a 500 bet, got a king and an ace down, the house went bust at 25

The big guy came over and told me that I should go to my room, leave early, don't ever come back

If you can count a 6 deck shoe you don't waste that kind of talent at casino's
Gee, how much money was that?

Some folks are way better at numericals than others... not I.
 

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Poker seems to be the best game in town if you can get decent at it. I know people that do well sports betting too but you really have to follow sports. Back in the mid to late 90's I did well on college BB. It was a lot of work paying attention to everything going on and keeping track of it all.
I enjoy craps. 1st time I ever played I rolled for 1 1/2 hrs. Had no idea what I was doing really or would have made a lot more. Some guys were up 14k when I finished my roll. I was up 1/10th that amount. LOL.

Play solid poker and you can do well. There is variance in th game though. You can go up big and then back down. Lots of bad beats and you think the game is rigged but I have seen some crazy shit. One day at Foxwoods I was playing 100 sit and goes. Get into one and 1st hand I get aces. I raise, guy next to me reraises and we get it all in. he has kings. Hits a king. Next one 20 minutes later, literally the exact same thing. 1st hand and same exact run out. he wins with trip kings. The odds of that happening 2 games in a row has got to be astronomical but it happened. LOL. When you run good though it's a great feeling. :).
Tournnaments require some luck to make it all the way through. Cash games seem to be more profitable if you can spot the fish early on. If you cant spot the fish, find a new table because the fish may be you. :)
 

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Here's what I do to double my money.

It has a 100% success rate too.

I take the money out of my pocket and fold it in half...

and put it back in my money clip.
Except those bills really ain't technically money...
 

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It is said as individuals walk into a casino that you can't know who will walk out the winners and who will be the losers. But, the casino will profit that night. To them, there is no gambling. The machines and games are tilted to their advantage, built in.

Another truism
Don't listen to your buddy who keeps insisting he won 500 bucks at the boats. First off, it's deceitful. He doesn't say what he lost to win.
And when the other 2 out of 3 times he lost 500 bucks he makes no mention of it.
Gamblers are notorious liars, to themselves and others. Full of BS.
 

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It is said as individuals walk into a casino that you can't know who will walk out the winners and who will be the losers. But, the casino will profit that night. To them, there is no gambling. The machines and games are tilted to their advantage, built in.

Another truism
Don't listen to your buddy who keeps insisting he won 500 bucks at the boats. First off, it's deceitful. He doesn't say what he lost to win.
And when the other 2 out of 3 times he lost 500 bucks he makes no mention of it.
Gamblers are notorious liars, to themselves and others. Full of BS.
Another stretch of the truth is " I paid my expenses".
 

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Another stretch of the truth is " I paid my expenses".
Good one. Cause casinos feast off the break even's. Sure.

And 'we just go there for the fun'.

That's an old, old Indian phrase meaning: 'lost all wampum'.
 

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Don't listen to your buddy who keeps insisting he won 500 bucks at the boats.
Huh?! My dad had a race boat, and I don't think there was ever a prize. It was just a weekend camper trip to some lake or river a few hours away. I think his boat was class "J". It had a decent engine and was supposed to spend most of its life above the water. I don't remember the builder of his boat, but he was in mid-California and his first name was Paul.
 

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greyhound racing - learn which dogs slash hard to the rail when the box opens up. the dog(s) outside of him catch a huge benefit -- the slasher fukks up all/most of the dogs inside of him
 

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IF there is such a thing.
I play blackjack now and again on a $15 two deck table.
I can usually get up a couple of hands (+$30)
Just with decent playing by the book plays and some general luck.

Casino quest (youtube) had a roulette system that looked interesting.
I'd try it on the electronic roulette machine for a few dollars and see how it runs in real life.

Anyone care to share?
Not looking to get rich quick, just play for a bit taking a win (hit and run) when it comes.
We sometimes go out for a cheap meal and anytime I can get the casino to pay for the meal that's a win.
bet it all on one hand/spin? the more samples the more certainty of loss
 

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greyhound racing - learn which dogs slash hard to the rail when the box opens up. the dog(s) outside of him catch a huge benefit -- the slasher fukks up all/most of the dogs inside of him
There ain't many dog tracks running anymore. All the ASPCA types cried "Animal abuse" got the politically-correct ball rolling to shut them down.
 

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Huh?! My dad had a race boat, and I don't think there was ever a prize. It was just a weekend camper trip to some lake or river a few hours away. I think his boat was class "J". It had a decent engine and was supposed to spend most of its life above the water. I don't remember the builder of his boat, but he was in mid-California and his first name was Paul.
I can't tell if you're serious or it's a regional thing but 'the boats' around here refer to the casinos on the water.
 

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Ok best bet I have made in recent years is a 50 50 chance. Bet the coin flip on the super bowl. Probably other games as well but that's the one sports bet I make every year and win. Just dumb luck but I am way ahead with that one.
 

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bet it all on one hand/spin? the more samples the more certainty of loss
Can't say I agree with that.
You may end up with good results if you're lucky and catch it at the right time.
I like to play for awhile, then if I loose my money I got a little entertainment.
I prefer to win money over entertainment OR while I'm being entertained, but I do see your point...the longer you sit the odds aren't in your favor.
 

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In 1962'63 a group of us studied Beat The Dealer, by Edward O. Thorp.
We studied hard & practiced at lunch.
We hit Vegas on the weekends.
It paid off, not real big, but good enough that we were noticed & uninvited.
It is a singled deck system, but should work with 2 decks maximum.
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The number of decks doesn't matter. Anyone can count. The most common count is the Hi/Lo

+1 any 2-6 card
0 any 7,8, or 9
-1 any jack thru ace


This results in the running count. You then divide the number of decks left to be dealt for the true count. With practice a person can learn to keep a running count effectively, with distractions and real world speed, in two days.

What takes a long time is learning strategy for the different games based on the rules of the game. There about 144 index plays which are strategy adjustments based on the count. Then you have to learn betting ramps (when to increase bet size when deck is positive).

To be at a basic professional level takes at least 2 months of full time training and commitment.

All of this will result in a 1.5%-2% advantage as long as you are proficient. The n-zero (when you realize your edge) in blackjack is 50,000 hands approximately. So you can get beat for 6 months even with the advantage. But you will long term win about $150-$200 for every $10,000 you can get on the table.

Card counting is a tough way to make an easy living.

There are lots of advantage plays. Someone mentioned sportsbook sign up bonuses. That has been a big one as of late. Worth a lot if worked properly.

Anyway, I wish anyone well that attempts to earn thru gambling. If anyone on here has specific gambling questions feel free to PM me. My recommendation to 99% of people is stay away from gambling. If any GIM member is serious about machine advantage play and would like to meet up in Las Vegas, if I'm available when you are in town, let me know.
 
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Nice, now we can add gambling expert to our list of poster's talents.

Thanks for the breakdown BeefJerky
 

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The number of decks doesn't matter. Anyone can count. The most common count is the Hi/Lo

+1 any 2-6 card
0 any 7,8, or 9
-1 any jack thru ace


This results in the running count. You then divide the number of decks left to be dealt for the true count. With practice a person can learn to keep a running count effectively, with distractions and real world speed, in two days.

What takes a long time is learning strategy for the different games based on the rules of the game. There about 144 index plays which are strategy adjustments based on the count. Then you have to learn betting ramps (when to increase bet size when deck is positive).

To be at a basic professional level takes at least 2 months of full time training and commitment.

All of this will result in a 1.5%-2% advantage as long as you are proficient. The n-zero (when you realize your edge) in blackjack is 50,000 hands approximately. So you can get beat for 6 months even with the advantage. But you will long term win about $150-$200 for every $10,000 you can get on the table.

Card counting is a tough way to make an easy living.

There are lots of advantage plays. Someone mentioned sportsbook sign up bonuses. That has been a big one as of late. Worth a lot if worked properly.

Anyway, I wish anyone well that attempts to earn thru gambling. If anyone on here has specific gambling questions feel free to PM me. My recommendation to 99% of people is stay away from gambling. If any GIM member is serious about machine advantage play and would like to meet up in Las Vegas, if I'm available when you are in town, let me know.

Good summary.

I'll just add that only 18 of the deviations from Basic Strategy are worth the time to memorize. The advantage from the other variations are infinitesimal and just clog up your brain.

The so-called Illustrious 18 are the only variations worthwhile learning. And of those, 3 of the 18 plays are 60% of the gain of the 18. These 3 are easy: when to take insurance, and when to hit 15 or 16 vs 10.

Be careful when splitting 10s. That's a red flag to the house that you are either a highly skilled card counter, or a drunken fool.

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Illustrious 18. Term coined by Donald Schlesinger to refer to the play variations that provide players the most gain from varying from basic strategy. These plays are:​

THE ILLUSTRIOUS 18​

  • Insurance
  • 16 vs 10
  • 15 vs 10
  • 10,10 vs 5
  • 10,10 vs 6
  • 10 vs 10
  • 12 vs 3
  • 12 vs 2
  • 11 vs Ace
  • 9 vs 2
  • 10 vs Ace
  • 9 vs 7
  • 16 vs 9
  • 13 vs 2
  • 12 vs 4
  • 12 vs 5
  • 12 vs 6
  • 13 vs 3

According to Schlesinger, the insurance play alone is worth over 30% of all the gain. The BIG 3, insurance, 16 vs 10 and 15 vs 10, account for nearly 60%. The top 12 plays account for more than 90%. The above study is applicable for a typical 4-deck shoe game using the Hi-Lo system. A different counting system may add or remove a few plays to or from this list. Most professional players will know a lot more variations than those recommended here​

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The number of decks doesn't matter. Anyone can count. The most common count is the Hi/Lo

+1 any 2-6 card
0 any 7,8, or 9
-1 any jack thru ace


This results in the running count.

What if they shuffle?

Don’t they only go a certain amount of rounds and then everything gets shuffled? The more decks there are the harder it is to count effectively?
 
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What if they shuffle?

Don’t they only go a certain amount of rounds and then everything gets shuffled? The more decks there are the harder it is to count effectively?

After the shuffle everything gets reset.

The shuffle point is called deck penetration. The deeper they deal into the deck(s), the better for the counter. There is greater certainty as to the cards remaining to be dealt.

The counting is simple arithmetic, you just keep a running net total of the value of the cards that have been played, either +1,0 or -1 (for the basic Hi-Low system).. The running count rarely gets above +5 or below -5 for single decks, above +10 or below -10.for 2 or 4 decks, +15 or -15 for 6 or 8 decks.

The problem with 6 or 8 decks is that it gets easier to lose track of the running count. The hot cocktail waitresses, idle chit-chat with the other players, the football game on the TV above the table, on and on, can easily distract you.

The advantage with 6 or 8 decks is once the count turns in your favor (positive count), it can continue for longer before the shuffle.

It all takes a great deal of time and practice to become a truly proficient and profitable card counter.
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The number of decks doesn't matter. Anyone can count. The most common count is the Hi/Lo

+1 any 2-6 card
0 any 7,8, or 9
-1 any jack thru ace


This results in the running count. You then divide the number of decks left to be dealt for the true count. With practice a person can learn to keep a running count effectively, with distractions and real world speed, in two days.

What takes a long time is learning strategy for the different games based on the rules of the game. There about 144 index plays which are strategy adjustments based on the count. Then you have to learn betting ramps (when to increase bet size when deck is positive).

To be at a basic professional level takes at least 2 months of full time training and commitment.

All of this will result in a 1.5%-2% advantage as long as you are proficient. The n-zero (when you realize your edge) in blackjack is 50,000 hands approximately. So you can get beat for 6 months even with the advantage. But you will long term win about $150-$200 for every $10,000 you can get on the table.

Card counting is a tough way to make an easy living.

There are lots of advantage plays. Someone mentioned sportsbook sign up bonuses. That has been a big one as of late. Worth a lot if worked properly.

Anyway, I wish anyone well that attempts to earn thru gambling. If anyone on here has specific gambling questions feel free to PM me. My recommendation to 99% of people is stay away from gambling. If any GIM member is serious about machine advantage play and would like to meet up in Las Vegas, if I'm available when you are in town, let me know.
Excellent.post.
I'd like to think I'm up about 10% on average and I don't gamble $10,000 in a year.
I don't keep records.

I know someone who's always winning money on video poker,.
Doesn't keep track of losses.
She Pays the taxes on her hand payouts but never has gotten a profit and loss statement from the casinos to have her accountant offset those wins.

When I asked her why she doesn't offset the taxes with her losses??
Said she always wins more than she loses.
She's lucky, gambles what I consider a lot of money and (the real reason) doesn't want her husband to know how much she's gambling
 

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The edge of my "system" is you don't need to know anything about sports. You don't care who wins or loses. It's irrelevant to the net win.

(Don't bet on sports such as soccer where a tie is fairly common. That kills the edge. Only bet on sports where the spread is not a full number. Only bet on spreads with a 1/2 point, such as 3-1/2, 4-1/2 etc. Again, a tie net of the spread is possible and that can kill the edge,)

DYODD
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It's as simple as this. Bet on the underdog but take the points. You will come out net positive almost every time. Just be consistent...and you have to bet on every game.