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Were finished, no 5d chess, no plan to trust, no eo going to clean the swamp, pure and simple its over, Pence sold out Trump the dems are the only ones who had the plan.
The wheels haven't fallen off yet. I'm in no hurry to surrender quite yet. They will be plenty of time later if that's necessary
 

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Where can you have firearms and ammo like you can here? That's the litmus test for liberty and freedom. Until that changes, I'm not moving anywhere. They are places I could live part-time and be unarmed, but not permanently.
 

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January 21, 2021 is when we're 'finished'. Until then... we're watching a movie.
 

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just a curious question here Amigo , under what conditions did your ancestors come to America?

my g-g grampa came here from Portugal because there was a revolution between liberals and conservatives , the War of Two Brothers

my gramps and his bro were on the losing side and had to escape for their lives or be hanged....they were mayor and treasurer of a small town northern Portugal , I think the algarve?

and my other g-g gramps came to America from Denmark because the King had a hard on for Russia and was conscripting by force young men to fight an unpopular war and he did not want to die for a despot

i can envision a scenario in America that would cause me to make a decision like my ancestors.
My grandparents came to America from Italy through Ellis Island to build their American dream. They were just your normal young couple, hard workers who followed all the American laws. They were adamant about learning and speaking English because they were now in America and in America you speak English. They had 9 children, one being my mother. My grandfather was a construction foreman and built his home with his own two hands.

They were strong, good and honorable people who believed in God and themselves. I'm not going to tarnish their legacy but turning tail and running.
 

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My grandparents came to America from Italy through Ellis Island to build their American dream. They were just your normal young couple, hard workers who followed all the American laws. They were adamant about learning and speaking English because they were now in America and in America you speak English. They had 9 children, one being my mother. My grandfather was a construction foreman and built his home with his own two hands.

They were strong, good and honorable people who believed in God and themselves. I'm not going to tarnish their legacy but turning tail and running.
Have you looked into getting Italian citizenship? One of the easier countries to get citizenship for the diaspora.
 

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Have you looked into getting Italian citizenship? One of the easier countries to get citizenship for the diaspora.
Nope, I never thought that was something I needed. It looks like Italy had a huge roll in throwing the US election. I'm already a citizen of a nation with a corrupt government so I don't see any value adding a second. It would be like jumping from one frying pan to another. I'd probably need to take the vaccine in order to go there anyway, which isn't going to happen.
 

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Nope, I never thought that was something I needed. It looks like Italy had a huge roll in throwing the US election. I'm already a citizen of a nation with a corrupt government so I don't see any value adding a second.
Second passport, live anywhere in the EU, gives your children 2nd passports and more options. Live like a billionaire:)
 

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I'm an American and I'm staying in America. No one will drive me out of my home...NO ONE! Those who feel they should leave....don't forget your masks when you board the plane.
We have our differences; but I'm not looking to open them up like wounds.

The problem is...America is no more. The titles and the land; but what made this nation great IS GONE.

Dead. Freedom to conduct business? Gone. Everything from the Regulatory State, to Medical Martial Law. Doesn't matter if you manufacture cars or lawn tractors or run a barber shop - with the whim and caprice of one China-sponsored Marxist state official (Michigan or New York) you can be shut down and JAILED for trying to WORK.

Freedom of Association? Done. Try having a Cigar Lounge, a private club. You'll be sued out of existence.

Try keeping the wombyns out of a men's fraternal organization, or the queers out of youth groups.

Try keeping your neighborhood limited to THOSE PEOPLE WHO CAN PAY FOR THE HOUSING THERE. What a concept, that. Wait until Bidet's puppetmasters roll out the Affirmatively Furthering Neighborhood-Busting - gonna drop hood-rats into every suburban setting and every small town they can find on a map. And if you don't show enough violent scum, the violent scum in government will FINE YOUR CITY. Maybe abolish its legal standing. These are Marxists - no limits.

Try holding on to your wealth. Or your guns.

What else is there that is America? What you say, what you can own, how you can (not) protect your property and family, are all extremely limited. Your kids are being brainwashed in the Goobermint Skeul Siss Tum. Your access to electricity and gasoline are to be extremely limited.

WHY should we not flee? There's no other rational choice.

My father...born in Ohio but of German parents...went back to Germany as a toddler, because of the Roosevelt Depression. He grew up there, to adolescence...the German Miracle, and then the Hitler Youth, and then the Gestapo checking papers. My swarthy grandfather didn't pass the color-chip test...that he was a member of a Lutheran Church only proved he was trying to "pass."

After his disappearance, my grandmother and my father left with false papers, 1936. They could have said "Nobody's going to run us out" and stayed there, waiting for more indignity or death...they chose to get out while the getting was good.
 

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just a curious question here Amigo , under what conditions did your ancestors come to America?

my g-g grampa came here from Portugal because there was a revolution between liberals and conservatives , the War of Two Brothers

my gramps and his bro were on the losing side and had to escape for their lives or be hanged....they were mayor and treasurer of a small town northern Portugal , I think the algarve?

and my other g-g gramps came to America from Denmark because the King had a hard on for Russia and was conscripting by force young men to fight an unpopular war and he did not want to die for a despot

i can envision a scenario in America that would cause me to make a decision like my ancestors.
Exactly. My ancestors came here from Switzerland in 1750 looking for religious freedom (they joined a Moravian colony in NC). When the red coats pushed up from the south my grandfather mustered and repelled them at the Battle of Kings Mountain. From there they were among the first to pass through the Cumberland gap and kept expanding into the upper Midwest frontier. One of my grandfathers was a galena (lead) prospector who was the first white man to make contact with the native Americans in the Madison, WI, area (on the bluffs overlooking Devil's Lake). He built the first permanent settler structure in Sauk County, WI, near Baraboo, WI.

If only there were still unsettled frontiers in our world. Technology has blanketed our globe, and I am afraid it will be used to suppress freedom everywhere (through surveillance).
 

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If only there were still unsettled frontiers in our world. Technology has blanketed our globe, and I am afraid it will be used to suppress freedom everywhere (through surveillance).
^^^BINGO^^^

there's no place left to go now. Like Reagan said,

The never Trumpsters here and everywhere across the country will be so proud of themselves if Trump is indeed finished yet be totally oblivious to the fact that Trump was the last chance we had to avoid what Reagan so vividly predicted during this speech.
 

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Exactly. My ancestors came here from Switzerland in 1750 looking for religious freedom (they joined a Moravian colony in NC). When the red coats pushed up from the south my grandfather mustered and repelled them at the Battle of Kings Mountain. From there they were among the first to pass through the Cumberland gap and kept expanding into the upper Midwest frontier. One of my grandfathers was a galena (lead) prospector who was the first white man to make contact with the native Americans in the Madison, WI, area (on the bluffs overlooking Devil's Lake). He built the first permanent settler structure in Sauk County, WI, near Baraboo, WI.

If only there were still unsettled frontiers in our world. Technology has blanketed our globe, and I am afraid it will be used to suppress freedom everywhere (through surveillance).
I 'liked' your first paragraph. Sadly the second may very well be true
 

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Trump said there would be a peaceful transition in 2 weeks so that answers the question.
Yes we are finished.
Now it's decision time. There is probably not going to be any CW2 so now the question is , where is the best place to live? As we go forward here our rights will continue to be reduced. What rights we have we cant defend in a corrupt court and political system anyway.
We will go forward probably as some socialist state similar to Europe. As I get older I suppose I should embrace all the free shit but pride prevents me from doing so. Things will be fine until the dollar loses reserve status. Once that happens it's a quick downhill slide. Thats not going to go over well.
So there's basically 2 countries I am interested in. Cuba and Mexico. In Mx you can rent a decent apartment for 200 a month in Cancun. People are friendly and as a single older guy there, the women are very approachable and friendly. Quality of life wouldn't be so bad. decent internet connection so you can trade on most markets and also play poker.
Cuba is very affordable but no internet and your really going back to a 1950's lifestyle. Not the worst thing but if I'm going to live away from family in the US it would be nice to have decent access to email and stuff.
Most of South America is open as well. The entire west coast for sure and Argentina and Uruguay on the east coast.
What it really comes down to is, is it better to be poor in a wealthy country like the US or upper middle class in a poorer country like all of the mentioned ones?
Of the places you mentioned I would probably go with Uruguay. Montevideo is a beautiful city in places, and there are a number of fantastic markets there. I also like Argentina, but to often the levels of unrest are beyond what I would find acceptable.
 

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Second last Q post said one word. DURHAM.
Of course we know presenting or hearing any evidence against the DS is no longer possible in the civil courts. Only one option left now.
 

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O gawd, what a bunch of impatient, whiney quitters.
 

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Exactly. My ancestors came here from Switzerland in 1750 looking for religious freedom (they joined a Moravian colony in NC). When the red coats pushed up from the south my grandfather mustered and repelled them at the Battle of Kings Mountain. From there they were among the first to pass through the Cumberland gap and kept expanding into the upper Midwest frontier. One of my grandfathers was a galena (lead) prospector who was the first white man to make contact with the native Americans in the Madison, WI, area (on the bluffs overlooking Devil's Lake). He built the first permanent settler structure in Sauk County, WI, near Baraboo, WI.

If only there were still unsettled frontiers in our world. Technology has blanketed our globe, and I am afraid it will be used to suppress freedom everywhere (through surveillance).
Excellent post <SLV>, I find family histories to be very interesting. Unfortunately for so many, they either don't know or don't care about what previous generations in their family line did in their stewardship of this nation for them. Knowing about the hardships, deeds, ambitions, and motives of generations past builds a sense of ownership that is sadly lost for the most part in today's world.

It would be interesting to know how many here have a SAR (Sons of the American Revolution) connection. Without getting into to much detail, my ancestors came over in the late 1650s into Massachusetts and eventually settled in and around Connecticut for many years, some of them mildly famous and even a few infamous..

One thing is for certain, those that came before us built what they did for their own benefit and for those in their line that would come after them. They didn't do it because they subscribed to some lockstep ideology to allow hordes of thieves to enter in and rob their ancestors.
 
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Who are you directing that statement to sir?
Not you.

Deliberately generalized to effect only those that will naturally be triggered. An inexpensive heat seeking flare.
 

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O gawd, what a bunch of impatient, whiney quitters.
Not you.

Deliberately generalized to effect only those that will naturally be triggered. An inexpensive heat seeking flare.
I don't find there to be any such people as you describe.

Trusting in a "Plan" that may or may not come from someone else that appears to be losing, even if that person is in a position of power, is lunacy.

From your second statement, you plainly state the first was an attempt at trolling. Do you consider yourself a patriot? What gain could you possibly receive from "Triggering" thinking individuals who understand that blind faith in a MAN, who is obviously FAILING, is a losing proposition?
 

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I posted this a few days ago on another site. I think we got our answer.

"There are known to be three boxes available to Americans for the defense of freedom.

The soap box to speak from.

The ballot box to vote in.

And the cartridge box for last resort preservation of our Republic.

In a few days we will know if the fist two have been nullified."
 

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I don't find there to be any such people as you describe.

Trusting in a "Plan" that may or may not come from someone else that appears to be losing, even if that person is in a position of power, is lunacy.

From your second statement, you plainly state the first was an attempt at trolling. Do you consider yourself a patriot? What gain could you possibly receive from "Triggering" thinking individuals who understand that blind faith in a MAN, who is obviously FAILING, is a losing proposition?

Who are you directing that statement to sir?
See how effective it is? Great bang for the buck.
 

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If only there were still unsettled frontiers in our world. Technology has blanketed our globe, and I am afraid it will be used to suppress freedom everywhere (through surveillance).
This is a temporary thing. Maybe years or even decades, but it is temporary.

Technological advances come from FREEDOM. Free markets and free minds.

Use that technology to STIFLE freedom...and the technology is arrested - often not even maintained. Example, Cuba. The whole culture regresses. And with collectivism, collapse is inevitable without conquest for resources or subsidization by another, free culture. As we did to the Soviets, feeding them in the 1940s and 1970s.
 

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Oh so very effective.. It didn't take much to get you to reveal yourself for what you are.. Rank amateurs..
It's always the same set of trolls. They don't like to be called Qtards so we can call them the Q brigade.
With every failed prediction the double down on the insanity
We can safely say after all this time Q was a Larp, probably run by the left.
Therefor we can conclude that these people are on the other team.
They did make it into DC yesterday. I wont post their photo in every thread and this will be the last time I post it but here they are in all their glory.
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It's always the same set of trolls. They don't like to be called Qtards so we can call them the Q brigade.
With every failed prediction the double down on the insanity
We can safely say after all this time Q was a Larp, probably run by the left.
Therefor we can conclude that these people are on the other team.
They did make it into DC yesterday. I wont post their photo in every thread and this will be the last time I post it but here they are in all their glory. View attachment 196863
Haven't you left the country yet? What are you waiting for?
 

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This is a temporary thing. Maybe years or even decades, but it is temporary.

Technological advances come from FREEDOM. Free markets and free minds.

Use that technology to STIFLE freedom...and the technology is arrested - often not even maintained. Example, Cuba. The whole culture regresses. And with collectivism, collapse is inevitable without conquest for resources or subsidization by another, free culture. As we did to the Soviets, feeding them in the 1940s and 1970s.
I'm not sure it regresses but it does stagnate. To visit there now is to visit there in the 1960's and maybe 1950's
Cuba is what happens when under socialism you cant just print money and your cut off from credit. The reality is, it's what most of the world would look like without a federal reserve and debt
The other side of that is you can get into a car and get on the highway and drive as fast as you want from one side of the island to the other. 2 checkpoints along the way where you need to slow down to about 20 mph and have them wave you through.
In many ways your free to do almost whatever you want. You cant talk bad about the government unless you really understand who you are speaking with (Similar to the US and soon to be law) And like the US, your rights end where your neighbors begin.
You wont own anything except a car and personal items.
At the end of the day your as free there as you are here and maybe more . Other than Europe and a few other places with money, your more free than the US by a long shot. No one monitoring you 24/7 and no infrastructure like in the US. Being able to print as much money as you want also allows you to build the ultimate police state.
 

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I'm not sure it regresses but it does stagnate. To visit there now is to visit there in the 1960's and maybe 1950's
Cuba is what happens when under socialism you cant just print money and your cut off from credit. The reality is, it's what most of the world would look like without a federal reserve and debt
The other side of that is you can get into a car and get on the highway and drive as fast as you want from one side of the island to the other. 2 checkpoints along the way where you need to slow down to about 20 mph and have them wave you through.
In many ways your free to do almost whatever you want. You cant talk bad about the government unless you really understand who you are speaking with (Similar to the US and soon to be law) And like the US, your rights end where your neighbors begin.
You wont own anything except a car and personal items.
At the end of the day your as free there as you are here and maybe more . Other than Europe and a few other places with money, your more free than the US by a long shot. No one monitoring you 24/7 and no infrastructure like in the US. Being able to print as much money as you want also allows you to build the ultimate police state.
There you are permitted some behaviors. Maybe because you're yanqi; maybe because they want to encourage rich turists, and maybe because they see no immediate threat so they just turn a blind eye.

Here what we had (past tense) was Rule of Law and Equal Treatment Under Law. Arbitrary enforcement of vague standards or whims, was not lawful, and would be answerable in courts.

Cuba has benefited indirectly from the US and the West's free economy. What keeps their 1950s cars rolling? The bodies look the same, but the drivelines have been replaced with Japanese diesel car and light-truck drivelines. The Cubans have had to be inventive with cast-off garbage of other nations.

As for us...Falls Rome, falls the world. When we become USSA - I mean, completely - progress arrests. It will take time - crony outfits like Musk's will continue getting wetted with the gusher of MMT fiat; but eventually that fiat will buy nothing. And eventually Musk will outlive his usefulness to the Power Elites.

So there's nothing to offer the tech tyrant class; and so they quietly either turn on their masters, and are arrested, or go off into exile or quiet "retirement." We already see the intellect of the political class - they won't be writing the next generation of Windows.

As with India, which has had only periodic bouts with socialism...the infrastructure slowly collapses and the public's access to its benefits, begins regression. Russia never developed calculators or serious computers; their passenger aircraft were reverse-engineered European designs, and their cars (VAZ-Lada) were castoff Fiat designs. Fiat sold the USSR the Fiat 124 design and tooling, and sold Yugoslavia the Fiat 127 design/plant. Those were the Lada and Yugo.

That is what a Communist Utopia aspires to, and can deliver.
 

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Lighten up Shootie. CL brings some good stuff into the discussions--even if they go against some grain now and then..
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Somebody here is going to get a good spanking. I don't know who yet but someone will!!

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Trump said there would be a peaceful transition in 2 weeks so that answers the question.
Yes we are finished.
Now it's decision time. There is probably not going to be any CW2 so now the question is , where is the best place to live? As we go forward here our rights will continue to be reduced. What rights we have we cant defend in a corrupt court and political system anyway.
We will go forward probably as some socialist state similar to Europe. As I get older I suppose I should embrace all the free shit but pride prevents me from doing so. Things will be fine until the dollar loses reserve status. Once that happens it's a quick downhill slide. Thats not going to go over well.
So there's basically 2 countries I am interested in. Cuba and Mexico. In Mx you can rent a decent apartment for 200 a month in Cancun. People are friendly and as a single older guy there, the women are very approachable and friendly. Quality of life wouldn't be so bad. decent internet connection so you can trade on most markets and also play poker.
Cuba is very affordable but no internet and your really going back to a 1950's lifestyle. Not the worst thing but if I'm going to live away from family in the US it would be nice to have decent access to email and stuff.
Most of South America is open as well. The entire west coast for sure and Argentina and Uruguay on the east coast.
What it really comes down to is, is it better to be poor in a wealthy country like the US or upper middle class in a poorer country like all of the mentioned ones?
I prefer NOT to be a "gringo".
 

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Where can you have firearms and ammo like you can here? That's the litmus test for liberty and freedom. Until that changes, I'm not moving anywhere. They are places I could live part-time and be unarmed, but not permanently.

kinda my thoughts now

Ecuador in the winter and texas in the summer

move back and forth for awhile

ecuador has announcements on the web that they are open , all thats required right now is a covid test that shows negative...no vaccine required , yet

and , they just lowered their income requirements for resident visas from $800 a month to $400

they are confident that expats can live there on $400 a month.....I wouldn’t want to try that though , although when my first wife nd I split sheets , I was living on smack ramen noodles and buying potatoes 20 lb. bag for $1.99

i suppose a person could fish and live off the land , although fruits and veggies are el cheapo in Ecuador
 

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Nobody wants to be an outsider, much-less one derided by the community.

But it may be that gringos gotta be gringos. Or try to be members of the community, even though they talk funny and have pale skin.

It's really about survival, at this point. I have said for some time, the end of America was just a few years away. Now it may be a few months or even less.
 

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There you are permitted some behaviors. Maybe because you're yanqi; maybe because they want to encourage rich turists, and maybe because they see no immediate threat so they just turn a blind eye.
Get out of Havana and there are few police. It's a communist country so everyone works for the government. People are watching in every town but don't talk bad about the bearded one and you'll be fine. Everyone is pretty much poor so farming is a way of life. Electricity s sporadic in the summer. People are poor but happy and definitely proud. In many ways society as a whole is much better off than we are here in America. Slaving away to give the government whatever percentage they demand. There, you do what you have to to survive and you own nothing. You can own a business but government is your partner in it. Same as in the US. You do all the work and make the investment and take all the risk and the government takes 30%.
Housing there is shit unless you have money or talent. I say talent because deep in the countryside I was in a house there made of straw and a crude wood frame. One of the nicest places I have ever been in and would have loved to have a home built like that. When I visited we were welcomed with open arms and I was treated like family.. Great food and coffee. Outside there were tall palms providing shade with goats and chickens running around under the canopy. The forest floor was immaculate. There were all fruit trees and some garden crops growing.. They had it dialed in for sure and probably did very well at the local farmers market.. As an outsider that didn't speak very much spanish at the time I was mostly observing while my GF and her family visited for a few hours. Everyone laughing and relaxing like they didn't have a care in the world.

Life is what you make of it and it's definitely better without all the outside high tech gadgets.