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We are all hoping that. Here's an entire set (of whats been released) of the P versions on ebay that recently got listed. (Some coins have some issues in this auction)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/221904780303?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

Seems a little steep. I was guessing about 7K after all the 2015's get released.
For when the ebay link is no longer valid, the auction was for a 28-coin "P" complete set with some minor issues for $7,550. It received no bids.

He now has it listed for $6,550.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-oz-Silver-America-the-Beautiful-28-coin-P-version-set-/221911228058?




I calculate right around $5900 - (which does not include shipping or subscription discount when available) as the cost of the set of all 30 coins that will be released by the end of the year, if purchased at original mint pricing.
 

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For when the ebay link is no longer valid, the auction was for a 28-coin "P" complete set with some minor issues for $7,550. It received no bids.

He now has it listed for $6,550.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-oz-Silver-America-the-Beautiful-28-coin-P-version-set-/221911228058?




I calculate right around $5900 - (which does not include shipping or subscription discount when available) as the cost of the set of all 30 coins that will be released by the end of the year, if purchased at original mint pricing.
Down to $5500

http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-oz-Silver...737305?hash=item33abce0359:g:6HsAAOSwVL1WEYwN

A little depressing, but I know it is much harder to sell a lot like this. The seller would do better listing each coin individually.
 

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2015 ATB "P" puck mintage updates (as of Oct. 18, 2015):

Homestead "P": 19,671

Kisatchie "P": 18,152

Blue Ridge Parkway "P": 17,513

Bombay Hook "P": 15,371


Source: http://www.usmint.gov/about_the_mint/cumulativeSalesStatistics/index.cfm?PageNum=1&StartRow=1&i=1


FWIW the Blue Ridge "P" is shown as "currently unavailable" on the U.S. Mint Website.
Yo Silver Art, here's one for you: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Over-40-Vin...15bd7b3&pid=100005&rk=4&rkt=6&sd=231721705297

Maybe you could negotiate a deal for ALL of his 70's Art Bars!

edit: Same person bought ALL of them!
 
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Yo Silver Art, here's one for you: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Over-40-Vin...15bd7b3&pid=100005&rk=4&rkt=6&sd=231721705297

Maybe you could negotiate a deal for ALL of his 70's Art Bars!

edit: Same person bought ALL of them!
Hahaha!!!!! That was not me that bought all of those '70's silver art bars. I did, however, click on the link, I decided to pass for a couple of reasons: 1.) Premium is too high IMO ($20 is the most that I would have paid and it would have to be certain common ones) and 2.) The selection, based on the ebay pics, seemed to consist of Hamiton Mint silver art bars which were high mintage bars (5,000 to 15,000 per bar) that were minted in the 1970's. The Old Barbary Coast (minted by United States Silver Corporation in 1973) would have been a decent pick at $22.50 but there was no guarantee that it would be in there.

Honestly speaking, I would rather take a chance on getting a 2011 Vicksburg ATB puck from an APMEX random scruffy selection of pucks than taking a chance of overpaying for a very common '70's Hamilton Mint bar.
 
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2015 ATB "P" puck mintage updates (as of November 16, 2015):

Homestead "P": 19.991

Kisatchie "P": 18,510

Blue Ridge Parkway "P": 17,477 (sold out at the U.S. Mint)

Bombay Hook "P": 15,776


Source: http://www.usmint.gov/about_the_mint/cumulativeSalesStatistics/index.cfm?PageNum=1&StartRow=1&i=1


Note: So far, the Bombay "P" seems to have the lowest mintage at 15,776 among the 4 "P" releases for 2015. The Saratoga bullion puck and the Saratoga "P" puck will get released next month and it will be well into 2016 until we get final mintage numbers on Saratoga "P" and all of the other 2015 "P"'s (except BR "P" which was sold out at the U.S. Mint).


FWIW the Blue Ridge "P" is shown as "currently unavailable" on the U.S. Mint Website.
 

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@SA, you were spot on regarding the Blue Ridge "P" pucks. Those things are going for crazy money, for a current year puck. Most want $250.00 or more for that coin.
When I first mentioned the BR puck, it was really a gut feeling that I had for the Blue Ridge "P" based on the design. It is the best design of the 2015 "P" releases IMO and given the fact that only 17,477 were minted, it told me that it could potentially be a high value "P" puck (design + relatively low mintage). I still think that the Volcano "P" is the best design of all of the pucks but the BR design is among the top 5 designs so far in the ATB series IMO.
 

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@SA, you were spot on regarding the Blue Ridge "P" pucks. Those things are going for crazy money, for a current year puck. Most want $250.00 or more for that coin.
On the Blue Ridge "P", I took a look at some of the completed sales on ebay and the most recent ones actually sold for a BIN price of $250.00. The highest price that I have seen one sell for was for a BIN price of $279.00 (on Nov. 9, 2015). On the current BIN auctions, I saw one asking for $349.98 which that is the highest asking BIN price that I have seen among current BIN auctions.
 

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On the Blue Ridge "P", I took a look at some of the completed sales on ebay and the most recent ones actually sold for a BIN price of $250.00. The highest price that I have seen one sell for was for a BIN price of $279.00 (on Nov. 9, 2015). On the current BIN auctions, I saw one asking for $349.98 which that is the highest asking BIN price that I have seen among current BIN auctions.
I forgot to add to my above post that the actual highest asking BIN price for the Blue Ridge "P" is $985.00 (with "Make A Deal" option) and seen a couple others for asking BIN prices of $895 and $845 but those are Graded PCGS SP FS 70 (Mercanti Signed) and I do not see those moving at those price levels IMO.
 
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From another forum:

The 2015 Saratoga National Historical Park 5 oz. Uncirculated Coin also had a strong debut yesterday; according to the Mint, that issue sold 15,904 pieces on its first day of availability. As the Saratoga 5 oz. Uncirculated coin’s mintage limit now stands at 20,000, less than 4,096 pieces of the issue remain available for purchase.

That 15,904 sales figure would include subscriptions. Actual purchases made at noon on the 3rd are unknown.
 

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Finished placing an order on a Saratoga 2015-P coin, my first of the year.

The first day sales number is very strong, especially given the competition from the Saratoga bullion coin (discounted by the low spot price of silver and pre-sale prices).

In addition, the prospects of ending with a low mintage are promising, considering the 20k mintage limit and recent sellout of the Blue Ridge coin.

Finally, this coin stands apart from most of the coins in the series up to now, in that it features an event of the Revolutionary War (patriotic enthusiasts can sympathize with this).

Despite the greatness of this coin, I am still looking forward to the Theodore Roosevelt coin of next year's issues.
 

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The US Mint shipped my Saratoga "P" subscription on Thurs. Dec. 3rd. Should get then on Mon. or Tues. :2:


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Finished placing an order on a Saratoga 2015-P coin, my first of the year.

The first day sales number is very strong, especially given the competition from the Saratoga bullion coin (discounted by the low spot price of silver and pre-sale prices).

In addition, the prospects of ending with a low mintage are promising, considering the 20k mintage limit and recent sellout of the Blue Ridge coin.

Finally, this coin stands apart from most of the coins in the series up to now, in that it features an event of the Revolutionary War (patriotic enthusiasts can sympathize with this).

Despite the greatness of this coin, I am still looking forward to the Theodore Roosevelt coin of next year's issues.
I do look forward to the 2016 ATB puck issues. Maybe Shawnee could be the best one design-wise. Just my opinion. I been wish-washy over this because I think that I posted elsewhere that the Theodore Roosevelt one is the best one design-wise. The West Virginia one is the worst design IMO. I do not have an opinion one way or the other two for next year (not yet).

As for the Saratoga "P" puck, it could be another early sell out like Blue Ridge "P". You could have a situation where the Blue Ridge, Saratoga, and Bombay Hook "P" pucks could sell out with a final mintage under 20,000. The Kisatchie "P" is still under 20,000 mintage at the moment but I am predicting that it will eventually "sell out" at a mintage of over 20,000 but under 23,000 (my predicted final mintage between 21,000 and 21,500 for Kisatchie "P").
 

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I do look forward to the 2016 ATB puck issues. Maybe Shawnee could be the best one design-wise. Just my opinion. I been wish-washy over this because I think that I posted elsewhere that the Theodore Roosevelt one is the best one design-wise. The West Virginia one is the worst design IMO. I do not have an opinion one way or the other two for next year (not yet).

As for the Saratoga "P" puck, it could be another early sell out like Blue Ridge "P". You could have a situation where the Blue Ridge, Saratoga, and Bombay Hook "P" pucks could sell out with a final mintage under 20,000. The Kisatchie "P" is still under 20,000 mintage at the moment but I am predicting that it will eventually "sell out" at a mintage of over 20,000 but under 23,000 (my predicted final mintage between 21,000 and 21,500 for Kisatchie "P").

I agree that the Shawnee coin is a fine piece of artwork, and the Theodore Roosevelt coin also has a nice design.

The name of the Shawnee coin is relatively unknown, though, and this is what sets it apart from the TR coin. Besides the design of each coin, the name of each coin also plays a significant part in its popularity--and ultimately, its market performance.

When the 2013 coins tested the market, most of them had very good designs, but the Mount Rushmore coin stood above the others in popularity, due to its bigger name recognition (this is reflected in the higher premium of the coin).

The TR coin is on the same scale as the Mount Rushmore coin in this regard. The names of these two coins are very well-known, and they help bolster the likability of the coin. One more thing similar to Mount Rushmore is that TR features the likeness of a president, and presidents are usually associated with the ordinary concept of a "coin". I believe TR will be the first example of a circulated coin featuring his likeness (correct me if I'm wrong), and TR was (and continues to be) a very popular president. The fact that he will be appearing in a national park context doesn't take away from the significance of this coin--actually, I believe this context magnifies the significance, as TR was known for his love of the outdoors (I believe he also established several national parks).

This coin will not only be a great buying opportunity next year, but also a great piece of history to take home...
 

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I do look forward to the 2016 ATB puck issues. Maybe Shawnee could be the best one design-wise. Just my opinion. I been wish-washy over this because I think that I posted elsewhere that the Theodore Roosevelt one is the best one design-wise. The West Virginia one is the worst design IMO. I do not have an opinion one way or the other two for next year (not yet).

As for the Saratoga "P" puck, it could be another early sell out like Blue Ridge "P". You could have a situation where the Blue Ridge, Saratoga, and Bombay Hook "P" pucks could sell out with a final mintage under 20,000. The Kisatchie "P" is still under 20,000 mintage at the moment but I am predicting that it will eventually "sell out" at a mintage of over 20,000 but under 23,000 (my predicted final mintage between 21,000 and 21,500 for Kisatchie "P").
Saratoga "P" has already surpassed the Bombay in sales. Over 17,000 as of today. Design popularity still rules with this series. Who knows when the low mintage coins will start getting some respect.
 

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Saratoga "P" has already surpassed the Bombay in sales. Over 17,000 as of today. Design popularity still rules with this series. Who knows when the low mintage coins will start getting some respect.
The Saratoga P's are toast.....

The Saratoga "P" is shown as "Unavailable" on the U.S. Mint website. I suspect that will be changed to "sold out" very soon IMO. This Saratoga puck has done very well on the bullion and "P" coins. This might sell out much faster than the Blue Ridge "P" did.
 

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The Saratoga "P" is shown as "Unavailable" on the U.S. Mint website. I suspect that will be changed to "sold out" very soon IMO. This Saratoga puck has done very well on the bullion and "P" coins. This might sell out much faster than the Blue Ridge "P" did.
I now feel better about my quick purchase of the Saratoga-P coin last weekend.

One more reason for the quick sales is that the Blue Ridge-P coin set a precedent by selling out before its mintage limit was reached. So the collectors who were planning on buying the coin (like me) took this possibility into consideration, and made their purchase last weekend.

I think this coin brings out the "patriot" in many collectors, who otherwise wouldn't necessarily consider themselves patriots. I don't see any other coins in the series being like this coin in this regard.
 

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I now feel better about my quick purchase of the Saratoga-P coin last weekend.

One more reason for the quick sales is that the Blue Ridge-P coin set a precedent by selling out before its mintage limit was reached. So the collectors who were planning on buying the coin (like me) took this possibility into consideration, and made their purchase last weekend.

I think this coin brings out the "patriot" in many collectors, who otherwise wouldn't necessarily consider themselves patriots. I don't see any other coins in the series being like this coin in this regard.
I did not get the Saratoga "P" but I did not have any plans to get it. I am happy with getting 2 Saratoga bullion pucks from APMEX.

EDIT: I am glad that you mentioned the Blue Ridge "P" because it makes me feel glad that I bought 2 Blue Ridge "P" from the LCS mainly because I loved it that much. :) :) :) Even though the Saratoga did very well on sales, I still believe that the Blue Ridge "P" is the best puck of the 2015 "P" pucks.
 
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Roll of ten Saratogas (bullion) can be had for $994, good price?
 

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Thanks for the opinion savvysir.
 

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Roll of ten Saratogas (bullion) can be had for $994, good price?
I think that it is a good price in that you got it for under $100 per puck ($99.40 per puck). Based on past pucks, they tend to sell for a much higher premium later on in the series. The best time to really get the bullion pucks is during the very beginning of a presale. The first few hours of the first day of a presale is the best time to get them based on my limited experience.
 

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Bonus Question:

Which hand belongs to the British soldier, and which hand belongs to the American soldier?
 

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The Saretoga "P" is back on sale on the U.S. Mint website.