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ATB 'P' Mint Mark Coin Thread

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Do not despair...the bullion version is still available.

And silver prices are down today!
 

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Do not despair...the bullion version is still available.

And silver prices are down today!
Collectors of the 'P' version are pretty particular about not substituting the bullion version... but I am happy to see silver still heading south.
 

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ATB "P" puck mintage update (as of Dec. 13, 2015):

Saratoga "P": 17,754

Blue Ridge "P": 17,474

Kisatchie "P": 18,901

Homestead "P": 20,360

Bombay "P": 17,035

So far, the Bombay "P" has the lowest mintage of the 2015 "P" pucks but it has not sold out and is still available on the U.S. Mint website. Saratoga "P" is "unavailable" as of 8:53 PM (when I checked).
 

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The Saratoga "P" is still shown as "unavailable" on the US Mint site. I suspect that will be changed to "sold out" and the max. mintage of 20,000 will be reached and should be reflected on the cumulative sales stats within a few weeks. This is just a WAG on my part.
 

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The Saratoga "P" is still shown as "unavailable" on the US Mint site. I suspect that will be changed to "sold out" and the max. mintage of 20,000 will be reached and should be reflected on the cumulative sales stats within a few weeks. This is just a WAG on my part.
It will come in under 20,000 IMO. Probably under 19,000,
 

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It will come in under 20,000 IMO. Probably under 19,000,
That is a good point since the Blue Ridge "P" came in well under 20,000 at a mintage (final?) of 17,474. The Bombay "P" could also come under 20,000. It is hard to say at this point. We will see in early 2016 what the final mintages will be for the rest of the 2015 "P" pucks.
 

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I am going to go with a WAG of 18450..maybe a tad less...We will find out today (or tomorrow for us that are not Excel inclined) the "currently unavailable" numbers which should be VERY close to the final number.
Re-reading Chester's and this post, I will have to agree with this. 18,000 - 18,500 appears to be the likely final mintage numbers. It appears that the Blue Ridge "P" will have the lowest mintage among the 5 2015 "P" pucks. I have always had a good feeling about that Blue Ridge "P" based on the design. I know that I have said this many times on this thread but I believe that the Blue Ridge design is the best design of the 2015 pucks. As of this moment in the series, I will put it up there in the top 5 designs.
 

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Bombay is on it's final approach to the "currently unavailable " list. Could end up with less minted than Saratoga....
 

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Bombay is on it's final approach to the "currently unavailable " list. Could end up with less minted than Saratoga....
Within the 2 next 2 weeks to the end of the year, that will tell the tale IMO. The Blue Ridge "P" could possibly have the lowest mintage among all of the 2015 "P" pucks. Right now the Bombay "P" is still the lowest mintage 2015 "P" puck (as of Dec. 13).

EDIT: Bombay "P" is still available but after the next cumulative numbers come out, then that could change to "unavailable"
 
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Yup...but only 65 left...AND it will finish lower than Blue Ridge AND Saratoga AND be the lowest mintage in 3 years

Just sayin'
I stand corrected on how many were left. I did not check that there were 65 left of Bombay "P" on the US mint site, however, I want to see the numbers for the past week and possibly the week after that to see if the second part of your post ends up being the case. I still think that the Blue Ridge "P" will be the lowest mintage when everything is said and done but I could very well be wrong on this. If Bombay P ends up being the lowest mintage, it will beat Blue Ridge P but by only 200 to 300 pucks. Saratoga P would come in third mintage wise. Also, if Bombay P becomes, the lowest mintage of the 2015 p pucks, then the question will be if it can fetch a higher premium on ebay than the Blue Ridge P. I am going to speculate by saying that the Blue Ridge P will still fetch a higher premium on ebay then Bombay P even if Bombay has a lower mintage than BR P. In my opinion, BR P beats Bombay P on design because Bombay looks too much like Everglades and that will hurt Bombay P preimiums. I think that Saratoga will also fetch a higher premium than Bombay because it is also a better design than Bombay imo. Then again, I could be wrong on all of this. It is all speculation at this point.
 

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Appreciate the thread. Convinced me to buy the Bombay Hook. Lowest Ebay BIN on Saratoga is $184 and 5 have sold in the last 24 hours ($10-15/coin profit after fees). Lowest BIN on Blue Ridge is $250 and they are selling at $230-250 at a rate of 5/week rate. Great Basin and Perry coins are 17,xxx mintage coins with lackluster appreciation. Everything else with 16.5-18k mintages (chaco, el yunque, chickasaw) is selling in the $250 range.
 

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Appreciate the thread. Convinced me to buy the Bombay Hook. Lowest Ebay BIN on Saratoga is $184 and 5 have sold in the last 24 hours ($10-15/coin profit after fees). Lowest BIN on Blue Ridge is $250 and they are selling at $230-250 at a rate of 5/week rate. Great Basin and Perry coins are 17,xxx mintage coins with lackluster appreciation. Everything else with 16.5-18k mintages (chaco, el yunque, chickasaw) is selling in the $250 range.

These prices show that while there are good prospects for price appreciation, there is risk for poor appreciation as well.

The flip side of the coin is purchase price, where the 2012 coins were handicapped by a high purchase price from the Mint (about $230). Today's prices are about $150, which is better for buyers compared to 2012.
 

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In my opinion, BR P beats Bombay P on design because Bombay looks too much like Everglades and that will hurt Bombay P preimiums. I think that Saratoga will also fetch a higher premium than Bombay because it is also a better design than Bombay imo. Then again, I could be wrong on all of this. It is all speculation at this point.
Definitely speculation, but not sure I could do better. Personally, the Saratoga coin does nothing for me. It ranks down with the Peace/Perry as uninteresting ATBs in my book.
 

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I stand corrected on how many were left. I did not check that there were 65 left of Bombay "P" on the US mint site, however, I want to see the numbers for the past week and possibly the week after that to see if the second part of your post ends up being the case. I still think that the Blue Ridge "P" will be the lowest mintage when everything is said and done but I could very well be wrong on this. If Bombay P ends up being the lowest mintage, it will beat Blue Ridge P but by only 200 to 300 pucks. Saratoga P would come in third mintage wise. Also, if Bombay P becomes, the lowest mintage of the 2015 p pucks, then the question will be if it can fetch a higher premium on ebay than the Blue Ridge P. I am going to speculate by saying that the Blue Ridge P will still fetch a higher premium on ebay then Bombay P even if Bombay has a lower mintage than BR P. In my opinion, BR P beats Bombay P on design because Bombay looks too much like Everglades and that will hurt Bombay P preimiums. I think that Saratoga will also fetch a higher premium than Bombay because it is also a better design than Bombay imo. Then again, I could be wrong on all of this. It is all speculation at this point.
As of two days ago:

Bombay....17,258

BRP...........17,474

Saratoga..17,809

Homestead and Kisatchie are in the 19-20k range

...and only 38 Bombays left
Once again I stand corrected since those latest numbers indeed show the Bombay P with a lower mintage than Blue Ridge P. Only a 216 puck difference at this point but you are correct nevertheless on this. I was wrong on this and I will admit that.

However, I still stand by what I said in my above quoted post that Blue Ridge P will bring a higher premium than Bombay P on the reason that I mentioned in my above post. It possible that Saratoga P will eventually fetch a higher premium than Bombay.

I will even go as far to say that the Blue Ridge P will fetch the highest premium on ebay among all of the 2015 P pucks. That really how I feel about it. Just my take. In the end it is all speculation on my part. We will see in the future if what I say does hold true.
 

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Bombay may very well come in at the low for the year, but the popularity based upon how quickly they sold out is in this order:

Saratoga
Blue Ridge
Bombay
That is a good point. However, I still think that Blue Ridge P popularity + best design of 2015 (my opinion) will beat Saratoga P but I do think that Saratoga will still do well in terms of future premium on ebay. Bombay P will do ok given the fact that it is the lowest mintage of all of the 2015 P pucks but will not do well imo against Blue Ridge and Saratoga because Bombay look too much like Everglades and that will keep premiums down despite the low mintage. That does not imply that Everglades is a bad design (I have both Everglades P and Everglades bullion pucks) but Everglades and Bombay are both too similar imo.

I will also admit that I have a Blue Ridge bias because I truly think it is the best puck of 2015 and I have been stating that since that puck came out in July 2015. I truly believe that.
 
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I guess it comes down to whether you believe design is the determining factor in price appreciation and not the mintage of the coin....Do you think Acadia and Hawaii sell for around $600 because of their design? Also design appeal is very personal 'cuz I think the Saratoga P looks great (much better than the bullion version)

I think the 2104 pucks had great designs but Shenandoah and Arches sell for a smidgen above issue price and you can pick up Everglades and Arches for LESS than issue price.

I agree the BRP caught some off guard so that factor has to be considered.
 

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I guess it comes down to whether you believe design is the determining factor in price appreciation and not the mintage of the coin....Do you think Acadia and Hawaii sell for around $600 because of their design? Also design appeal is very personal 'cuz I think the Saratoga P looks great (much better than the bullion version)

I think the 2104 pucks had great designs but Shenandoah and Arches sell for a smidgen above issue price and you can pick up Everglades and Arches for LESS than issue price.

I agree the BRP caught some off guard so that factor has to be considered.
Yep there were some good designs for 2014. The Great Smokey Mountains puck design is the best one of 2014 but I also have a bias on the GSM puck because I live in Tennessee and have been to the Great Smokey Mountains on several occasions.

As for Arcadia and Volcano pucks, they sell for that high premium because of design and that the are low mintage. It is a little bit of both imo.

Just to reiterate here that this is all speculation on my part and I could be wrong on all of this being that I am a newbie to atb puck collecting and I am not as knowledgeable on these as others are. I know just enough to be dangerous with offering my take on all of this. The future will give us an answer one way or the other regarding how the 2015 atb pucks will do in the future.
 

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This post was "lost" during the server switch over but..................

Here are the most recent completed ebay sales for the Blue Ridge "P" (does not count slabbed. Just OMP sales):

1. December 22, 2015: sold for $285.00 (BIN price)

2. December 15, 2015: sold for $239.00 (BIN price)

3. December 14, 2015: sold for $249.99 (BIN price)

4. December 10, 2015: sold for $269.95 (BIN price)

5. December 4, 2015: sold for $258.00 (BIN price)

Average sale price (based on above 5 completed ebay sales): ~$260.38.

The highest price that I have seen a Blue Ridge "P" sell for on ebay was $289 (BIN price). As of right now, this Blue Ridge Parkway "P" is the highest premium "P" puck among all of the 2015 "P" pucks. I suspect that once Bombay "P" and Saratoga "P" are officially sold out at the listed mintages from the last U.S. Mint update, then the premiums on both of those pucks will go up. However, I do not think that they will match the premium that the Blue Ridge "P" puck is currently fetching. We will see in the next few months in 2016.
 

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Blue Ridge Parkway "P" is the highest premium "P" puck among all of the 2015 "P" pucks. I suspect that once Bombay "P" and Saratoga "P" are officially sold out at the listed mintages from the last U.S. Mint update, then the premiums on both of those pucks will go up.
Makes sense....BRP has been done for the longest and the other two are new to the bye-bye list.

..and...what happened to the "thanks" button on this site???? I did the "like" thingy..is that the same? I don't see any on the posts....
 

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Yeah, there goes the low mintage for the Saratoga. How they (the Mint) decides which coins to sell more of is beyond me. They could have easily sold the limit on the Blue Ridge. People paying $250.00 plus for that coin on Ebay right now.
 

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I am now guessing that the final mintage for the Saratoga "P" will be somewhere between 18,500 and 19,000. We will see early next year. I am also waiting for the latest U.S. Mint mintages on the Bombay P to see if it will still be the lowest mintage "P" puck for 2015. Those should come out either later tonight or tomorrow morning.
 

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Yeah, there goes the low mintage for the Saratoga. How they (the Mint) decides which coins to sell more of is beyond me. They could have easily sold the limit on the Blue Ridge. People paying $250.00 plus for that coin on Ebay right now.
People are willing to pay $250 - $275 BIN prices for it but not $149.95 + shipping when the U.S. Mint had it available on its website??????? Yeah something smells fishy here and it is not me. Maybe they are in bed with ebay/paypal (higher fees) If I try to figure that out why the US Mint sold out a high demand BRP P puck without reaching max mintage, then that will make me go crazy.....wait a minute.....nevermind.....