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Run? Half of us live in the hills!
If we're talking about regular homes and not someone living off grid in a cave somewhere, they already have addresses of where people live in those hills. So what good does merely living in the hills do? The point is, when they come looking for you, you gotta be somewhere other than where you normally live.
 

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If we're talking about regular homes and not someone living off grid in a cave somewhere, they already have addresses of where people live in those hills. So what good does merely living in the hills do? The point is, when they come looking for you, you gotta be somewhere other than where you normally live.
yup, you got to stay mobile.
 

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He has upset a local cop chief, they have been hassling him for quite a while now. It would be funny if it wasn't sad... they never find anything on him, he posts everything to youtube and they look stupid every time! You'd think they'd learn, but no!

Well I enjoy his schtick

He’s got 8 Benny Hill IQ coppers in his 35 sq meter apartment looking through his underwear drawer while he’s cracking jokes

Hey, did you check that piece of wedding cake in the fridge, I might have hidden some contraband in there. If you need to search inside it, I’ll get the Cossack wife unit to get some plates
 

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It was not a war, it was a deeply divided community fighting on religious lines it was not the comunity against the state. You can draw no comparison to the US today, you will not fight like they did or for the reasons they did. You are SOFT in compassion to those guys, many of whom were damaged and psychopathic with nothing else in thier lives. The US is giant leap from Northern Ireland, you can take no comfort from their experiences.

I've heard people in Northern Ireland say the exact opposite. I don't claim to understand to all that went on, but I don't believe it was simply about religion. But that ain't the point. The point is that the reason they're the only ones on those Islands that still have guns is that they were willing to fight the British Army. You don't have to like them. But they still got their guns.

Some of the Indian tribes who fought US soldiers did better than some who did not. Let me be real clear, I'm not telling anyone when they should or should not fight to the death. And to your point, a large number of Americans who own guns might never be willing to fight against US military if they were overstepping the line. But I assume that some certainly would, if the alternative was severe enough.

I'll put it this way, if anyone killed someone trying to round up people into a covid camp, that person would be morally justified. We're all gonna
die someday. I'll not telling anyone how or when they ought to die, or where to draw the line in the sand. I hope this all can be resolved without a lot of death by voting and peaceful protest, but the people who use violence to defend themselves are justified to do so.
 
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So what good does merely living in the hills do? The point is, when they come looking for you, you gotta be somewhere other than where you normally live.

Logistics... think about it. We have approximately 6% of your armed force (85,000) with lower levels of technology and we have all of your mainland area to cover, give or take a little. It's not the same equation by a long shot. Our military would be hard pushed to manage it. Regardless I don't see private gun ownership changing that dynamic at all, much less so than the 'advantage' people in the US seem to think it is for them.

... but whatever helps you sleep @ night.
 

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I don't claim to understand to all that went on, but I don't believe it was simply about religion.

No, it was deeper, political/cultural, but it fell along religious lines. It was a full civil conflict, it would have been simpler if it was the entire population v the British but it was nothing like that clean. It had more in common with ingrained complex gangland violence than it did people simply resisting the military. These guys ran the full gamit of crime to fund themselves and keep power. They fought themselves, they fought everything that got in their way. There was nothing that pure about any of it. A very dirty conflict that left arms in the populace and a deep level of mistrust. As a practical matter you simply could not disarm them without risking more problems. They didn't win the right so much as it was a pragmatic response given the history.
 

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Gimme a brake I'm sick of hearing about Austria already. When was the last time it was important when the house of Habsburgs ruled? Gimme a brake.

Austrian chicks aren't even hot.
 

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John Barilaro resigns as NSW Deputy Premier



NSW Deputy Premier John Barilaro has announced he will step down as Nationals leader and resign from parliament.
"I have decided now is the right time for me to hand the reins over to new leadership, and resign as Deputy Premier of NSW," he said in a media statement.
His announcement means there will be a by-election in the seat of Monaro.
It comes one day after Transport Minister Andrew Constance resigned, triggering a by-election for his seat of Bega.
On Friday Gladys Berejiklian resigned as Premier and from parliament, which will trigger another by-election in her seat of Willoughby.
Mr Barilaro says he will call a party room meeting for this Wednesday where he will formally resign as the NSW Nationals Leader and call for a ballot to find a replacement.

More to come.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-04/nsw-deputy-premier-john-barilaro-resigns/100511638
 

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They’re dropping like flies

Maybe they’ve made their bones, what did the minister say 10 million each from Pfizer
 

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No, yeah, they are all ugly... don't come and see.

Yeah, just a bunch of overweight ratchets

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^ One of those is a Pom and one is a field of kangaroos.

Win?
 

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The ONLY hot Australian chick that I have ever seen was Elle.
I wouldn't have kicked Nicole Kidman out of my bed for eating crackers... Just saying...

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Gladys Berejiklian and anti-corruption body Icac: what is behind the NSW premier’s resignation?​

With most of the attention on her management of the Covid crisis, an Icac investigation has led to the popular leader’s downfall

Gladys Berejiklian leaves a press conference after announcing she will resign as NSW premier

Gladys Berejiklian leaves the press conference after announcing she will resign as NSW premier because Icac has begun an investigation into her conduct. Photograph: Bianca de Marchi/AAP

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Gladys Berejiklian has resigned in extraordinary circumstances.

For most Australians, the news will come as a shock, given the focus has been almost exclusively on the state’s devastating Covid-19 outbreak and her handling of that.

So, how did we get to this point? What caused Berejiklian’s downfall?

And what comes next for the New South Wales government, which has, yet again, found itself ensnared by the powerful anti-corruption commission?

What happened today?​

About midday, an email from the Independent Commission Against Corruption landed in the inbox of media organisations.

It revealed that Icac was investigating the conduct of Berejiklian between 2012 and 2018, specifically her involvement in grants handed to the Australian Clay Target Association in 2016-17 and the Riverina Conservatorium of Music in Wagga Wagga in 2018.

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The investigation is focused on any relationship between the grants and the secret relationship that existed at the time between Berejiklian and disgraced former Wagga Wagga MP Daryl Maguire, who had been advocating for the money.

Not long after Icac’s announcement, an email from Berejiklian’s office announced she would be making a “significant announcement” at 1pm.

She fronted the media, denied any wrongdoing and announced her resignation.She did not take questions from journalists.

“Resigning at this time goes against every instinct in my being and something which I do not want to do,” she said.

“I do not want to be a distraction from what should be the focus of the state government during this pandemic, which is the wellbeing of our citizens. It always has been and always will be.”

How did this all begin?​

The remarkable events of Friday were precipitated by a damning Icac inquiry, known as Operation Keppel.

The aim of Keppel was to probe Maguire and allegations he sought to use public office and parliamentary resources to improperly benefit himself and others close to him.

The inquiry heard evidence last year that Maguire and Berejiklian were in a secret relationship for five years, which had since ended.

At the time, the Icac was focused on Maguire’s acceptance of commissions from property developers and his failures to disclose business interests. In October last year, Maguire admitted he sought to “monetise” his parliamentary office and “use his status” as a politician for his own financial gain.

It heard he sought to make a significant financial gain through the sale of racing heiress Louise Waterhouse’s land at the proposed western Sydney airport in Badgerys Creek, a development in which the NSW government was intimately involved.

The inquiry heard excruciating phone calls, secretly taped, between Maguire and Berejiklian, in which the Wagga Wagga MP discussed the deal and his potential windfall, and the premier replied: “I don’t need to know about that bit.”

The revelation was extremely damaging, but Berejiklian survived.

Keppel has not concluded its investigation nor has it handed down findings.

Why is Icac investigating Berejiklian now?​

The Icac has shifted its focus. It recently began exploring a grant program that gave $5.5m to the Australian Clay Target Association in 2016-17.

The ABC has previously revealed that Berejiklian had a role overseeing that grant and that Maguire had advocated for the money and later attempted to personally benefit from the grants.

Those allegations are still being investigated by the Icac and Berejiklian has strongly denied any wrongdoing.

“I state categorically I’ve always acted with the highest level of integrity,” she said.

Documents subsequently obtained by NSW crossbenchers revealed that Berejiklian, when treasurer, had taken a particular interest in grants made to Maguire for projects in Wagga.

The Icac says it will investigate whether Berejiklian “was liable to allow or encourage the occurrence of corrupt conduct by Mr Maguire”.

The commission will probe whether her conduct represented a “breach of public trust” by placing herself in a position of conflict between her public duties and private interests “as a person who was in a personal relationship” with Maguire.

It will also investigate whether she failed to report reasonable suspicions that “concerned or may concern corrupt conduct in relation to the conduct of Mr Maguire”.

Where to from here?​

Berejiklian is resigning as premier and will also leave NSW parliament.

The resignation will take effect as soon as the NSW Liberal party can elect a new parliamentary leader. Berejiklian says she wants to “allow the new leader and government a fresh start”.

Her resignation will also trigger a byelection in her electorate of Willoughby – a safe Liberal seat in Sydney’s north.

We also have the prospect of another damning public inquiry from Icac playing out. That inquiry will take place over 10 days from Monday 18 October.

The consequences of this resignation, coming as it does in the middle of a pandemic, cannot be overstated.

Berejiklian did not hide her fury at the Icac’s timing, particularly given the allegations are years old and have been explored in parliamentary hearings.

“Given the Covid restrictions, my resignation as premier could not occur at a worse time,” she said. “But the timing is completely outside of my control, as the Icac has chosen to take this action during the most challenging weeks of the most challenging times in the state’s history.”

We can safely expect the Icac will cop some blowback publicly for the timing of its hearing. It has now forced the resignation of three premiers, including Nick Greiner and Barry O’Farrell.

After each scalp, the Icac’s critics have come after it.

Who could replace Berejiklian as NSW premier?​

The main candidate to replace Berejiklian is Dominic Perrottet, the current treasurer.
Perrottet, a former lawyer, is from the party’s right.

Perrottet’s name has been floated ever since the initial Icac revelations almost brought down the premier last year, though he has faced criticism through the iCare scandal that followed.

The names of Stuart Ayres, Rob Stokes, Matt Kean, Andrew Constance and Mark Speakman were also floated last year, when Berejiklian’s leadership was questioned.

 

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Australia: New South Wales Premier Resigns, Accused of Taking Bribes to Push Vaccines​


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How Dominic Perrottet supported Donald Trump and has VERY conservative views on abortion and sex but loves hitting the pub - as he wins top job in NSW while his predecessor skips the vote​

  • Gladys Berejiklian's replacement as premier Dominic Perrottet is conservative
  • He has conservatives views on abortion, climate change and even masturbation
  • At 39, Catholic father-of-six is the youngest-ever premier of New South Wales
By STEPHEN JOHNSON, ECONOMICS REPORTER FOR DAILY MAIL AUSTRALIA

PUBLISHED: 19:40 EDT, 4 October 2021 | UPDATED: 22:04 EDT, 4 October 2021


Gladys Berejiklian's replacement as NSW Premier Dominic Perrottet is a proud social conservative who questions climate change, opposes abortion, loves Donald Trump and also a drink.
The 39-year-old devout Catholic father-of-six overwhelmingly won a Liberal party room ballot 39 to five on Tuesday morning to become the state's youngest ever leader.
The outgoing treasurer defeated Planning Minister Rob Stokes, thanks to the support of the socially-progressive moderate faction in a leadership vote at Parliament House skipped by his predecessor.
Jobs Minister Stuart Ayres - the 40-year-old boyfriend of Foreign Minister Marise Payne, 57 - was elected deputy Liberal leader unopposed.
While Berejiklian came from the Liberal Party's moderate faction and was unmarried with no children, Perrottet is the complete opposite - hailing from the right of the party and being an outspoken advocate of religious freedom.
In 2019, he voted against a bill to decriminalise abortion declaring he could not support laws that stopped 'the beating heart of an unborn child'.
Now leading a very broad church, Perrottet declared he would govern for everyone regardless of their religion and hoped difference would be 'treated with respect and dignity'.
'I am very proud of the fact that I have a strong Christian faith,' he said on Tuesday.
'Does that in any way take away my capacity to serve as Premier?
'Well, I do not think so, and I think it is a sad thing that some people do, but I think people right across our state, in the main, believe in freedom of religion and freedom of the opportunity to serve in public life regardless of what your ethnic background is what your religious values are.'
Asked about the gay and lesbian community, Perrottet said he 'loved diversity' and declared that as a parent, he wanted kids back at school.
'It's demanding being a parent. It's a challenge for every, single parent across the state,' he said.
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Gladys Berejiklian's replacement as NSW Premier Dominic Perrottet is a proud social conservative who questions climate change , opposes abortion, loves Donald Trump and also a drink (he is pictured with his wife Helen and their children)


Gladys Berejiklian's replacement as NSW Premier Dominic Perrottet is a proud social conservative who questions climate change , opposes abortion, loves Donald Trump and also a drink (he is pictured with his wife Helen and their children)
Jobs Minister Stuart Ayres - the boyfriend of Foreign Minister Marise Payne - was elected deputy Liberal leader unopposed (he is pictured left with his new boss)



Jobs Minister Stuart Ayres - the boyfriend of Foreign Minister Marise Payne - was elected deputy Liberal leader unopposed (he is pictured left with his new boss)

Dominic Perrottet is elected as the New South Wales Premier



The Liberal Party's new leader in November 2016 laid out his conservative views in a lengthy Facebook post after Republican Donald Trump unexpectedly beat Democrat Hillary Clinton in the US presidential election.
He used the occasion to paraphrase Liberal Party founder Robert Menzies, Australia's longest-serving prime minister, and disgraced US president Richard Nixon.
'There is a silent majority, a forgotten people, who feel like the values they hold dear are no longer being represented by the political class,' Perrottet said.
'In fact these values and the people who hold them are looked upon with contempt.'
Perrottet also questioned the science of climate change, even though his anointed treasurer Matt Kean from the moderate faction is a fierce advocate for renewable energy as an activist environment minister.


'If you question man-made climate change, you are not a sceptic,' he said in 2016.
On Tuesday, he said NSW was on track to meet its net zero targets and described Kean as a 'passionate' advocate for the environment, with no major ministerial reshuffle likely.
'When it comes to climate change, I believe our government is not just a national leader but a world leader,' he said.
Intriguingly former Labor senator Sam Dastyari, who studied law two decades ago with Perrottet at the University of Sydney, recalled the future premier as a hard drinker who abstained from masturbation and didn't believe in using contraception.
'He didn't believe in contraception, he does not believe in contraception,' Dastyari told Kyle and Jackie O on KIIS FM in June 2018.
'He doesn't believe or he didn't at the time believe in masturbation.
Now leading a very broad church, Perrottet declared he would govern for everyone regardless of their religion and hoped difference would be 'treated with respect and dignity'



Now leading a very broad church, Perrottet declared he would govern for everyone regardless of their religion and hoped difference would be 'treated with respect and dignity'
The youngest ever new premier of NSW Dominic Perrottet (right with outgoing deputy premier John Barilaro) apparently loves a drink



The youngest ever new premier of NSW Dominic Perrottet (right with outgoing deputy premier John Barilaro) apparently loves a drink
'Dom was an old drinking buddy of mine back in my uni days , we used to get blind drunk together at Sydney uni, just horrible, and he was like this hardcore, Catholic, religious, but a big drinker.'
Dastyari recalled Perrottet even as a young man at university being opposed to gay marriage, which at the time was opposed by both sides of politics, and the idea of abortion.
'The bit I remember him telling me at uni was - he was always a bit religious, he didn't support marriage equality, didn't support a woman's right to choose,' he said.
Like Dastyari and NSW Labor leader Chris Minns, Perrottet also led the young wing of his political party.
Before becoming a junior solicitor and later an MP, Perrottet was the leader of the NSW Young Liberals, taking over in 2005 three years after future cabinet minister Alex Hawke, who now holds the immigration portfolio, spearheaded a right-wing takeover of the youth movement from the moderates.
Intriguingly, former Labor senator Sam Dastyari who studied law two decades ago with Perrottet at the University of Sydney recalled the future premier as a hard drinker who abstained from masturbation and didn't believe in using contraception



Intriguingly, former Labor senator Sam Dastyari who studied law two decades ago with Perrottet at the University of Sydney recalled the future premier as a hard drinker who abstained from masturbation and didn't believe in using contraception
The 39-year-old devout Catholic father-of-six has overwhelmingly won the Liberal party room vote 39 to five, defeating Planning Minister Rob Stokes to become the next premier of New South Wales, thanks to the support of the socially-progressive moderate faction



The 39-year-old devout Catholic father-of-six has overwhelmingly won the Liberal party room vote 39 to five, defeating Planning Minister Rob Stokes to become the next premier of New South Wales, thanks to the support of the socially-progressive moderate faction

Sam Dastyari discussed in 2018 on his relationship with Perrottet

Australian premiers in their thirties​

Lara Giddings, Labor, Tasmania: age 38 in 2011
Wayne Goss, Labor, Queensland: age 38 in 1989
Brian Burke, Labor, Western Australia: age 36 in 1983
John Scaddan, Nationalist, Western Australia: age 35 in 1911
Newton Moore, Liberal Imperialist, Western Australia: age 35 in 1906



Hawke later split from the right, forming a breakaway centre-right faction, which Prime Minister Scott Morrison belongs to, and he is no longer close with Perrottet.
In July Perrottet, as NSW Treasurer, clashed with Morrison after he called on the federal government to reinstate JobKeeper wage subsidies during the early stage of Sydney's three-month lockdown.
Political author and columnist Niki Savva, a former Liberal ministerial media adviser, revealed that in July, Morrison called Mr Perrottet a 'f***wit' during a heated discussion.
Asking about this on Tuesday by Sunrise host David Koch, Morrison said: 'Well, Dom and I have been working together for years and we've known each other for a long time and we've got an honest relationship and we've got a lot done together.'
Perrottet acknowledged a clash with Morrison three months ago.
'Disagreements aren't a bad thing in their own way,' he said on Tuesday.
Like Morrison in August 2018, Perrottet was elected Liberal leader with the backing of the moderate faction.
Both leaders are religious, social conservatives whose views are at odds with the more cosmopolitan and secular elements of the Liberal Party on the north shore and northern beaches - areas that overwhelmingly support gay marriage and climate change action.
Perrottet is himself one of 12 children, with his father John a director of the World Bank. He became Treasurer in January 2017 when Ms Berejiklian replaced Mike Baird as premier (he is pictured with Gladys Berejiklian on September 30 - the day before she resigned)


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Perrottet is himself one of 12 children, with his father John a director of the World Bank. He became Treasurer in January 2017 when Ms Berejiklian replaced Mike Baird as premier (he is pictured with Gladys Berejiklian on September 30 - the day before she resigned)
Perrottet is himself one of 12 children, with his father John a director of the World Bank.
He became Treasurer and deputy Liberal leader in January 2017 when Ms Berejiklian replaced Mike Baird as premier.
As Treasurer, Mr Perrottet was reportedly more opposed to lockdowns within the NSW crisis cabinet but on Tuesday vowed to stick to the plan to end Sydney's lockdown on October 11, the Monday after 70 per cent of the NSW population aged 16 and over was fully vaccinated against Covid.
He was first elected to Parliament in March 2011, when Barry O'Farrell's Coalition swept to power in a landslide ending Labor's 16 years in office.
Planning Minister Rob Stokes, an ideological moderate who was factionally unaligned, congratulated his opponent on his overwhelming party room win after losing in a landslide


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Planning Minister Rob Stokes, an ideological moderate who was factionally unaligned, congratulated his opponent on his overwhelming party room win after losing in a landslide
During that decade, he has held three different electorates, Castle Hill, Hawkesbury and now Epping in Sydney's north-west, switching seats at each election in 2015 and 2019 to the dismay of his Liberal colleagues.
Perrottet is now Australia's youngest state premier since Lara Giddings first led Tasmania in January 2011 aged 38.
He is the first NSW premier under 40, with Nick Greiner, Nathan Rees and Kristina Keneally all at least a year older when they took the top job.
Stokes, an ideological moderate from the northern beaches who was factionally unaligned, congratulated his opponent on his overwhelming party room win.
'Our party room has made their choice, and made it emphatically,' he said.
'I'd like to congratulate my great friend Dom Perrottet on being chosen as our new leader and becoming the NSW Premier.
Gladys Berejiklian (pictured on October announcing her resignation) skipped the Liberal Party leadership vote. The daughter of Armenian migrants, had almost five years as premier, making her the Liberal Party's second-longest serving government leader since Robert Askin's decade in power from 1965 to 1975


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Gladys Berejiklian (pictured on October announcing her resignation) skipped the Liberal Party leadership vote. The daughter of Armenian migrants, had almost five years as premier, making her the Liberal Party's second-longest serving government leader since Robert Askin's decade in power from 1965 to 1975
The Liberal Party's new leader in November 2016 laid out his conservative views in a lengthy Facebook post after Republican Donald Trump unexpectedly beat Democrat Hillary Clinton in the US presidential election


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The Liberal Party's new leader in November 2016 laid out his conservative views in a lengthy Facebook post after Republican Donald Trump unexpectedly beat Democrat Hillary Clinton in the US presidential election

NSW PREMIERS ICAC BROUGHT DOWN​

NICK GREINER: The Independent Commission Against Corruption was established by the Greiner Government in 1988 only for the Terry Metherell affair to force his resignation in June 1992
Mr Metherell, a former Liberal education minister, was now an independent in a hung parliament and he was offered a job running the new Environment Protection Agency, within the department, so the government could win back his Sydney North Shore seat of Davidson
BARRY O'FARRELL: A month after winning a landslide election victory, Mr O'Farrell in April 2011 was gifted a $3,000 bottle of Grange Hermitage which he didn't declare
He resigned after this was revealed at an ICAC hearing in April 2014



'Dom has proven himself as an outstanding Treasurer and will be a great Premier. He has my full support.
'The community now rightfully expect us to get on with the job we were elected to do and ensure that we recover from the pandemic and regain our freedom.'
Perrottet is now the Liberal Party's fourth premier since 2014, repeating the revolving door leadership that had plagued NSW Labor during its last six years in power.
After the lockdown ends on October 11, the Perrottet Government will be fighting a string of by-elections with Berejiklian resigning from her lower north shore seat of Willoughby.
Outgoing deputy premier and Nationals leader John Barilaro is also quitting politics.
Transport minister Andrew Constance is also resigning from his south coast seat of Bega to contest the overlapping federal electorate of Gilmore, held by Labor.
Health Minister Brad Hazzard is also in retirement age being 70.
Berejiklian, the daughter of Armenian migrants, had almost five years as premier, making her the Liberal Party's second-longest serving government leader since Robert Askin's decade in power from 1965 to 1975.
She is the third NSW Liberal premier the Independent Commission Against Corruption has brought down, with Greiner resigning in 1992 and O'Farrell in 2014.
Her undeclared relationship with former Liberal MP Daryl Maguire, who doubled as a lobbyist, was revealed at an ICAC hearing in October 2020, leading to Perrottet's elevation in the first week of daylight saving.
The new premier is being sworn in by Governor Margaret Beazley on Tuesday afternoon.
 

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How does he feel about mandatory vaccines, lockdowns and police intimidation ?
 

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Shenanigans are afoot at the Circle K.

The Independant Broad-Based Anti Corruption Commission (IBAC) is investigating Dictator Dan over his role in the fire fighters union deal:


They could have nailed him and his cronies five years ago, they had more than enough evidence then of his involvment.

Why now?
 

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Is that the second person to fall under the IBAC?
 

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Is that the second person to fall under the IBAC?

As far as I know, IBAC are yet to have a scalp. The NSW counterpart has had several high profile wins (bear in mind the NSW ICAC has been around longer and was brought in to deal with endemic corruption within the police force).
 

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As far as I know, IBAC are yet to have a scalp. The NSW counterpart has had several high profile wins (bear in mind the NSW ICAC has been around longer and was brought in to deal with endemic corruption within the police force).
Thanks. Sorry not up to date on those.
 

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As far as I know, IBAC are yet to have a scalp. The NSW counterpart has had several high profile wins (bear in mind the NSW ICAC has been around longer and was brought in to deal with endemic corruption within the police force).

With some decent success as well.
 

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Sure you could give the police a run for their money but what of helicopter gunships, drones etc, etc, etc....?
the people that fly those helicopters and drones have to land them and leave their base at some point, most have family members... not suggesting anything, just saying they still have weak spots... and if they are attacking fellow citizens then they are enemies and anything goes.
 

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Censorship in Oz just power shifted into third gear

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I'm going to push back a little. The idea of an advanced economy was developed a century or so ago when primary industries where pretty basic, resource was abundant and it required a real skill base to build things. These days the extractive industries and even farming is on another level totally. One of the reasons we are successful is because we are damn good in those areas, some of the most efficient farmers and miners on the planet. These days the skills to manufacture are not the leading ingredient for success in the value add world, basically if you want to build cars you invest in the robotics etc and have a line built that can be run by workers with basic skills. What you can't do without is easy access to a major market and if China's power debacle is anything to go by access to quality raw material. They shunned our coal and found out that doing without quality coal is a little harder than they imagined. Winter might be a bitch in some parts of China this year. Never mind, they showed us... we sold it elsewhere, so....?!

I'd suggest that at the very least the bar has been lifted for 'advanced' to the design and technology level. That is the level at which pricing power is being preserved with a technical/skills moat that is difficult to traverse. I'd say that a lot of the world that considers itself 'advanced' maybe isn't that advanced in reality. Look @ China's manufacturing, I'd only call a % of what they do advanced.

Also I'm not so sure that in a world of dwindling resources it's a line you can draw that means a whole lot. If we fail to deliver then how does the advanced world go? It's a little like the Euronutz pointing at us for our per captia carbon emissions when most of it is going into raw material that ends up in their part of the world as a product!

It looks to me that primary production is becoming more of a strength than a weakness. So yeah... the advanced tag, really what are we saying? Australia isn't Africa by a long shot. Same population as New York State and about the same GDP... they sell lots of paper we sell lots of iron.... I'm gonna go with the iron for a little while, I think that the world has too much paper.
 

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No, it's because the are making Facebook pay for links to external news content owned by someone else. It's not censorship, they are not being prevented, they just don't want to pay for content.

Is it right? I don't think so, but that is another argument.
 

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Australians all cried out......................There are 5 lights!

(not all of them, there are still a few worth arming)

The real torture is FaceBook, if that is where people are getting their news they are lost to start with. Still it only applies to MSM outfits so really it's mostly bullshitters missing out on more bullshit. Hardly a worry for a truth seeker, so many better place to spend time.
 

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