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I live in a state that finally thought it was a good idea to let its citizens protect themselves, but only if they pay the state for a permit to do so. Now, usually people will respond by saying, "Hooray! A victory for gun owners and freedom!" But when I put the events of history together with the direction the country is heading, I start to wonder if this is true.

If there are actually efforts still underway to take our guns, or make them illegal, is it wise to be telling them that you have any? Getting a permit for yourself to carry is sort of like registering your guns with the government, isn't it? Sure, you're not exactly registering your guns, but in a way, you're registering yourself as a gun owner (and paying the government $50 for that priviledge).

With all this in mind, does anyone here think the same way and decide to carry anyway even though there is a permit system in place?
 

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I think lots of people also have the same thoughts,
but I doubt that anyone on a public Internet forum is going to admit to carrying when it is not legal,
so I am not sure what kind of response you will be getting to your question,
but I will support laws that don't make anyone register to carry, like Arizona and Alaska have,
permits seem like a bad plan to me
 
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...does anyone here think the same way and decide to carry anyway even though there is a permit system in place?


Include your ip address and daytime phone number with answer...lol.

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The CCW - it goes like this....

We don't want people to carry guns, but even worse, we don't want people to carry guns without knowing who is actually extremist enough to commit such an act.

But how do we get them to tell us they are extremist enough to carry?

I know! We give them permission! Yeah, we will let them get a special card, which they can pay us for, and then get all their info, that way when the day comes that we have to confiscate their guns, we will know exactly who to go after, where they live and who they associate with!



So...don't get one.
 

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If you're in a state that allows purchases between private parties... then you're lucky. And not use the govt as the middle man.
 

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I live in a state that finally thought it was a good idea to let its citizens protect themselves, but only if they pay the state for a permit to do so. Now, usually people will respond by saying, "Hooray! A victory for gun owners and freedom!" But when I put the events of history together with the direction the country is heading, I start to wonder if this is true.
I assume you are talking about Wisconsin. No license is required for open carry in WI. http://www.opencarry.org/wi.html
 

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The CCW - it goes like this....

We don't want people to carry guns, but even worse, we don't want people to carry guns without knowing who is actually extremist enough to commit such an act.

But how do we get them to tell us they are extremist enough to carry?

I know! We give them permission! Yeah, we will let them get a special card, which they can pay us for, and then get all their info, that way when the day comes that we have to confiscate their guns, we will know exactly who to go after, where they live and who they associate with!



So...don't get one.
I have a CCW, but I also am a big believer in buying weapons from individuals under the radar. That way, if they ever come and do the confiscation dance, I will still have plenty. In our state we have these things called Valley Traders available in most gas stations and seven elevens. You can buy anything from used cribs, to bush hogs, to Harley Davidson Soft Tails, to Stratocasters, to Smith and Wesson snub nose revolvers in it. It's just an inexpensive place for people to advertise the stuff they want to get rid of. Half my weapons are registered, the other half.....
 

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there is no way to put a value on your privacy until you need it.

in my state, you don't need a CC permit unless you are going to carry concealed. trunk of your car, on the passenger seat, no permit needed.

it varies tremendously from state to state.

also, if you buy a new firearm it goes in computers. watch Red Dawn. in many states, you can buy and sell from individuals privately.

if you are really going to carry concealed, then get the permit but consider how you are going to carry.
 

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There is no easy answer to this question. Simply from a legal standpoint I would never tell anyone to carry a firearm unless they follow the specific laws of their location.

I do have a CC permit. The reason for getting mine has to do with where I carry at. One of the major cities that I live near are Nazis when it comes to owning firearms. I would have no issue with open carry except that I have been harassed twice in the past for this. As to the question of letting them know you own gun, this is your call. In my state you do not have to register what gun you use for carrying. I have no problem with them confiscating the old 22 that I own for CC. ;)

In the end you have to ask yourself if you are willing to deal with the ramifications of getting caught without having a permit. If you live in a rural area and only carry occasionally then it may be fine to not hassle with it. If you live in a populated area with a liberal mindset it might be a good idea. The other thing that I have found with having a CC permit is that I am more familiar with the laws regarding firearms.
 

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Have had a CCW in multiple states for the past fifteen years now.....no problems whatsoever. I am all for the original intent of the 2A but lets face reality here. The laws are what they are, right, wrong or indifferent. If you live in a state that is not a right to carry state, then do what you have to do. If you do live in a right to carry state and still choose to carry without a CCW, you are a knuckle head. Bx3
 

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For those of you concerned about being on a list, I sure hope you have never:

1) Purchased a gun directly from a firearms dealer
2) Purchased ammo using a credit card
3) Forgotten to use a proxy browser when you post here
4) etc. etc. etc.

I could go on and on regarding electronic privacy as it's a subject I'm quite interested in. Start checking the electronic frontier foundation(link) site regularly if you really want to know where the future is heading :(. In particular the The Protecting Children from Internet Pornographers Act of 2011 (H.R. 1981) (link) is going to ensure that all digital information that is transmitted over the internet (your google searches, e-mail, etc.) will be required by law to be stored for at least 12 months. Anyway, back on topic:

If you live in the country and can legally open carry in your state, then forgoing the ccw makes sense. However if you live in or near a large city and you can't legally open carry, then your choices boil down to being unarmed at all times or risk going to jail because you're carrying illegally. I've personally seen enough violence in public settings over the last couple of years (at the fair last year and a brutal beating at the mall last Christmas) that I would rather carry than worry about whether or not the gubermint is going to take the one gun that I have registered to my name. To each their own though...
 

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Have had a CCW in multiple states for the past fifteen years now.....no problems whatsoever. I am all for the original intent of the 2A but lets face reality here. The laws are what they are, right, wrong or indifferent. If you live in a state that is not a right to carry state, then do what you have to do. If you do live in a right to carry state and still choose to carry without a CCW, you are a knuckle head. Bx3
I live in a right to carry mind.. or state of mind. and state that I never have to use it.. other then self defence of my life or my loved ones fvk da BS.
 

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I live in a right to carry mind.. or state of mind. and state that I never have to use it.. other then self defence of my life or my loved ones fvk da BS.
If you don't live in a shall issue state, I couldn't agree with you more. If you do live in a shall issue state and still choose to carry without a CCW.....well then, I'm sure that the LEO, your prosecutor, the Judge, the family of the perp you had to defend yourself against and their civil attorney will all appreciate that defense. Good luck with that. Bx3
 
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I have a CCW.
I can get pulled over with a gun in pocket and not go to jail. I can have it in my glove compartment... loaded or not. My wife has a permit too.
We can have guns in our pockets, house, cars....wherever and its not against the law.
Like it or not the law is the law. If you don't agree with it (I'm not say I always agree with it) ....and choose not to follow it then you must be prepared to pay the consequences.
Private gun purchases are legal in my state. What are odds that I will be the first on the gun confiscation list in my state? Do you think these confiscations will make the news? I will cross that bridge when I come to it. I am an NRA member and I don't always vote Republican..... but I NEVER vote Democrap.



 

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If you don't live in a shall issue state, I couldn't agree with you more. If you do live in a shall issue state and still choose to carry without a CCW.....well then, I'm sure that the LEO, your prosecutor, the Judge, the family of the perp you had to defend yourself against and their civil attorney will all appreciate that defense. Good luck with that. Bx3
I live in America period states be dammed.
 

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Remember what is happening to the guy in Canton for not telling officer he had a permit to legally carry?? Now take that times 100 when he (popo) catches you with an weapon that you can't "legally" carry. I can already hear those arguing that the Constitution allows us to carry and you don't need know stinking permit. That is all well and good, just be prepared for the consequences of not having that CCW permit because 2nd Amend or not the popo, prosecutor and judge are typically stacked against you on this one.

Opps Bx3 beat me to it by 2 minutes....
 

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Remember what is happening to the guy in Canton for not telling officer he had a permit to legally carry?? Now take that times 100 when he (popo) catches you with an weapon that you can't "legally" carry. I can already hear those arguing that the Constitution allows us to carry and you don't need know stinking permit. That is all well and good, just be prepared for the consequences of not having that CCW permit because 2nd Amend or not the popo, prosecutor and judge are typically stacked against you on this one.

Opps Bx3 beat me to it by 2 minutes....
I am & always have been prepaired its my life.
 

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I live in America period states be dammed.
Even if you have a good shoot, you will lose and your family will suffer unnecessarily for your ideology. If that is worth you being right in your mind then there is not much left to say on this topic. Ayn Rand has a classic quote...."You can ignore reality but you can not ignore the consequences of ignoring reality". Honu, I hope that never applies to you in the real world that we all live in. Bx3
 

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Even if you have a good shoot, you will lose and your family will suffer unnecessarily for your ideology. If that is worth you being right in your mind then there is not much left to say on this topic. Ayn Rand has a classic quote...."You can ignore reality but you can not ignore the consequences of ignoring reality". Honu, I hope that never applies to you in the real world that we all live in. Bx3
lets say hope it dont happen again . cheers.
 

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Is anyone really prepared to possibly do 1 to 5 years in prison for carrying a gun without a permit? My family depends on me NOT to be in prison. This topic is not about not being prepared by not having a gun on your person, it is about the reality of going to prison for having it with out a permit. Is going to prison really worth it when it is completely avoidable by having the required permit.

I am not refering to "good shoots" either. I am talking about getting pulled over for a stupid seatbealt violation or speeding or anything else trivial like that. Officer pulls you over for this minor thing and happens to find a gun in your possesion you $25 seatbelt ticket or $100 speeding ticket just got a heck of a lot worse.
 

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I've had licenses for around 15 years, currently have a Florida which is reciprocated by more states (34) than any other states license (list below). I agree with Rusty, current reality is that you are in a world of **** if you get caught carrying without.

States that accept a Florida CCW permit:

Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, West Virginia, Wyoming
 

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F-it...no point anymore...we're doomed...."and Winston loved Big Brother..."
 
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Not Sure,

I agree with the premise of your argument. But as the saying goes Freedom aint Free. Most people don't have the kind of jack needed to defend themselves in the court of law based on your view. You are very well right in your assertion, but reality is you have to prove your right against the status quo. Myself and probably most here at GIM can't financially afford to take one for the team and persure you suggestion action.

Remember, I agree with you, so don't accuse me of being the problem because that won't get us anywhere.

edit: Just read your last post. Can't say that I agree with 100% of what you are advocating
 
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The Law is this:

"[T]he right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Statutes requiring permission are patently unconstitutional. "Judges" don't get to declare the Constitution invalid, either. Their attempt to do so is treason.

If someone attempts to punish you for exercising your God-given, Constitutionally-secured right, do whatever is necessary, as you would to any thug.
Get popped for carrying a concealed weapon and you will be forced to deal with the system. They win, you lose. Go ahead and try your "constitutional" nonsense before a judge and let me know how that works out for ya'...(in 3/5 years) Doubleplus Bad Idea!!! :(:(:(
 
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I noticed you put probable cause in quotes. And that is the problem. Probable cause can be anything they want it to be and there is little you can do about it AT THAT MOMENT. Killing someone out of fear that they might find a gun on me and deny my freedom will only result in you being in a cage with animals. My family deserves better then that from me.
 

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Bx3: "People who believe in Liberty and exercise their God-given rights are 'knuckleheads'."

You are part of the Problem.

Freedom does not require "permission."
NS, we get it. At the first sign of disagreement with any LEO/gov official you plan on going down in a blaze of glory so your kids will know their dad stood for what he believed in. Fair enough. You've essentially stated this time and time again. No one can fault you for your logic, however to many of us it's important that we're there to support, guide, take care of, and provide for our families so we don't intend on killing the first officer that tries to hand us a seat-belt ticket. Call people like us traitors, treasonous, cowards, part of the problem, or whatever term you see fit. I agree with a great deal of what you say, but there are shades of gray in my world so I don't see things as black and white as you do.
 
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