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BREAKING: Democrats Introduce Bill To Eliminate Electoral College

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BREAKING: Democrats Introduce Bill To Eliminate Electoral College

https://www.dailywire.com/news/3993...tm_content=010419-news&utm_campaign=position1

Rep. Steve Cohen (D-TN) introduced two bills on Thursday, one to eliminate the electoral college and the other to prohibit presidents from pardoning themselves or their family members.

A press release from Cohen's office stated that the "senior member of the House Judiciary Committee, introduced two Constitutional Amendments today on the opening day of the new Congress. The first would eliminate the Electoral College and provide for the direct election of the President and Vice President of the United States. The second would limit the presidential pardon power by prohibiting presidents from pardoning themselves, members of their families, members of their administrations and their campaign staff."

"In two presidential elections since 2000, including the most recent one in which Hillary Clinton won 2.8 million more votes than her opponent, the winner of the popular vote did not win the election because of the distorting effect of the outdated Electoral College," Cohen said. "Americans expect and deserve the winner of the popular vote to win office. More than a century ago, we amended our Constitution to provide for the direct election of U.S. Senators. It is past time to directly elect our President and Vice President.”

"Presidents should not pardon themselves, their families, their administration or campaign staff," Cohen continued. "This constitutional amendment would expressly prohibit this and any future president, from abusing the pardon power."

Cohen wasn't the only Democrat that took action aimed at President Donald Trump on Thursday, as Rep. Brad Sherman (D-CA) introduced "articles of impeachment against President Donald Trump, filing them as his first order of business in the new, Democrat-controlled House of Representatives."

Democrats have long sought a way around the electoral college, which prevents the U.S. from being controlled by major population centers which are Democrat strongholds.

Legal scholar Tara Ross explained in a PragerU video what the Democrats are trying to do by eliminating the electoral college and implementing a national popular vote and the dangers that their efforts pose to the U.S.

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Transcript provided via PragerU:

In every presidential election, only one question matters: which candidate will get the 270 votes needed to win the Electoral College?

Our Founders so deeply feared a tyranny of the majority that they rejected the idea of a direct vote for President. That's why they created the Electoral College. For more than two centuries it has encouraged coalition building, given a voice to both big and small states, and discouraged voter fraud.

Unfortunately, there is now a well-financed, below-the-radar effort to do away with the Electoral College. It is called National Popular Vote or NPV, and it wants to do exactly what the Founders rejected: award the job of President to the person who gets the most votes nationally.

Even if you agree with this goal, it's hard to agree with their method. Rather than amend the Constitution, which they have no chance of doing, NPV plans an end run around it.

Here's what NPV does: it asks states to sign a contract to give their presidential electors to the winner of the national popular vote instead of the winner of the state's popular vote.

What does that mean in practice? It means that if NPV had been in place in 2004, for example, when George W. Bush won the national vote, California's electoral votes would have gone to Bush, even though John Kerry won that state by 1.2 million votes!

Can you imagine strongly Democratic California calmly awarding its electors to a Republican?

Another problem with NPV's plan is that it robs states of their sovereignty. A key benefit of the Electoral College system is that it decentralizes control over the election. Currently, a presidential election is really 51 separate elections: one in each state and one in D.C.

These 51 separate processes exist, side-by-side, in harmony. They do not -- and cannot -- interfere with each other.

California's election code applies only to California and determines that state's electors. So a vote cast in Texas can never change the identity of a California elector.

NPV would disrupt this careful balance. It would force all voters into one national election pool. Thus, a vote cast in Texas will always affect the outcome in California. And the existence of a different election code in Texas always has the potential to unfairly affect a voter in California.

Why?

Because state election codes can differ drastically. States have different rules about early voting, registering to vote, and qualifying for the ballot. They have different policies regarding felon voting. They have different triggers for recounts.

Each and every one of these differences is an opportunity for someone, somewhere to file a lawsuit claiming unfair treatment.

Why should a voter in New York get more or less time to early vote than a voter in Florida? Why should a hanging chad count in Florida, but not in Ohio? The list of possible complaints is endless.

And think of the opportunities for voter fraud if NPV is passed! Currently, an attempt to steal a presidential election requires phony ballots to appear or real ballots to disappear in the right state or combination of states, something that is very hard to anticipate. But with NPV, voter fraud anywhere can change the election results -- no need to figure out which states you must swing; just add or subtract the votes you need -- or don't want -- wherever you can most easily get away with it.

And finally, if NPV is adopted, and winning is only about getting the most votes, a candidate might concentrate all of his efforts in the biggest cities, or the biggest states. We could see the end of presidential candidates who care about the needs and concerns of people in smaller states or outside of big cities.

Here's why all of this is of so much concern: NPV is more than halfway to its goal.

NPV's contract will go into effect when states with a combined 270 electoral votes have signed. To date, NPV already has the support of 10 states plus D.C. Together, that's 165 electoral votes, leaving only 105 votes to go.

It is time to stop this attempt to undo the way American presidents are elected, which will in turn undo America. The people behind NPV think they are wiser than every generation of Americans that preceded them.

They aren't.​
 

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shocked that they would seek to remove a major barrier to vote fraud

2 billion illegals vote in cali. no importa, its ec votes are fixed
 

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shocked that they would seek to remove a major barrier to vote fraud

2 billion illegals vote in cali. no importa, its ec votes are fixed
well they are all drinking the fluoride. And, and why would I say this? They are all in the cities. Well water in the country is only polluted with cromiumhexafloride and peeps get shitty cancer and the brokovitch girl figured that out. BUT in the cities they figured they want to be like the country folk but smarter so they dropped the chromium with the valence of 6 florins hanging on a chromium. I could have that wrong...."Are there any Chemists in the house?" I just ask cuz I am having too much fun after watching Ben's post.....might have to watch it again....sorry had to edit the porno out but still gona watch that link/post again....hahah and I just might get the boot over what I really want to post on it.
 

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HAHA! They're so sore from that loss it'll last the rest of eternity.
 

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Of course, there's a tweet for that...Trump is on two sides of every issue.



 

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I'm ok with it as long as they make Trump Emperor and when he dies he gats to pass on that status to anyone of his choosing.
 

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Delusional Democrap Dunces.

Good luck in getting 3/4th of the states to approve it.
Not to mention the GOP controlled Senate
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POTUS Veto.

"Democrats are good at screwing things up. GOP maintains the status quo until the Dems are back in control again. Both as useful as tits on a boar hog". Grandpa
 

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Of course, there's a tweet for that...Trump is on two sides of every issue.



Trump is rubbing the democrats faces in their own pile of stupidity. The US IS a REPUBLIC, not a democracy. This is why the electoral college is a disaster for democracy. Democracy is ever and always ultimately mob rule. A genuine form of political fustercluck. The US has already been damaged and weakened by the 17th amendment eliminating representation of the states in congress by making senators democratically elected. They used to be appointed by the states for equal representation of the states. This is why the states are merely extensions and agencies of the federal government today. F'in dims should be lined up and shot for such stupidity! Damned clueless ijits! Well, at least I now understand OCD = Ocasia-Cortez Dementia
 

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A Republic does not necessarily exclude democratic elections.
Having an "electoral college" does not make the US a Republic. However, it does make it an oligarchy.
 

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I'm ok with it as long as they make Trump Emperor and when he dies he gats to pass on that status to anyone of his choosing.
No tweet for that, but there is a quote:

"He's [President Xi] now president for life. President for life. And he's great," Trump said, eliciting laughter from a crowd at his Mar-a-Lago club, according to a recording obtained by CNN. "And look, he was able to do that. I think it's great," Trump added. "Maybe we'll give that a shot some day."
 

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Trump is rubbing the democrats faces in their own pile of stupidity. The US IS a REPUBLIC, not a democracy. This is why the electoral college is a disaster for democracy. Democracy is ever and always ultimately mob rule. A genuine form of political fustercluck. The US has already been damaged and weakened by the 17th amendment eliminating representation of the states in congress by making senators democratically elected. They used to be appointed by the states for equal representation of the states. This is why the states are merely extensions and agencies of the federal government today. F'in dims should be lined up and shot for such stupidity! Damned clueless ijits! Well, at least I now understand OCD = Ocasia-Cortez Dementia
While I agree with you in theory about the distinction between republic and democracy, that's not at all what Trump meant. Trump tweeted that when it looked like Mitt Romney was going to win the popular vote, but Obama win the EC. Trump has no ideological position, which is why he is on both sides of everything.
His moral compass points directly at his own ego.
 

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No tweet for that, but there is a quote:

"He's [President Xi] now president for life. President for life. And he's great," Trump said, eliciting laughter from a crowd at his Mar-a-Lago club, according to a recording obtained by CNN. "And look, he was able to do that. I think it's great," Trump added. "Maybe we'll give that a shot some day."
 

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While I agree with you in theory about the distinction between republic and democracy, that's not at all what Trump meant. Trump tweeted that when it looked like Mitt Romney was going to win the popular vote, but Obama win the EC. Trump has no ideological position, which is why he is on both sides of everything.
His moral compass points directly at his own ego.
If we hadn't had Oblabla and the prospect of Hellery, we wouldn't have Trump. The truth is always subject to revision. With every choice, their are consequences. And then life goes on.
 

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If we hadn't have Oblabla and the prospect of Hellery, we wouldn't have Trump. The truth is always subject to revision. With every choice, their are consequences. And then life goes on.
True story.
 

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We got Obama because after 8 years of bush43, society put McCain (bush43 jr) and mittens (Obama jr) as his opponent and not Ron Paul.

Trump is going to lead us to a leftist transgender Hispanic in the whitehouse.
 

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We got Obama because after 8 years of bush43, society put McCain (bush43 jr) and mittens (Obama jr) as his opponent and not Ron Paul.

Trump is going to lead us to a leftist transgender Hispanic in the whitehouse.
Hey, send in the clowns. Just gitya a real-uh-tee tee-vee show and anything goes!
I can just imagine it...
"Rika Martin, formerly known as Ricky Martin, was sworn in as President today and later seen dancing in the Oval Office to the sound of salsa music, which could be heard all the way across the street..."
 

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We got Obama because after 8 years of bush43, society put McCain (bush43 jr) and mittens (Obama jr) as his opponent and not Ron Paul.

Trump is going to lead us to a leftist transgender Hispanic in the whitehouse.
Demographic math is going to do that.
Math controls it all.
Man just muddles up the timeline.
:)
JMHO.
 

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While I agree with you in theory about the distinction between republic and democracy, that's not at all what Trump meant. Trump tweeted that when it looked like Mitt Romney was going to win the popular vote, but Obama win the EC. Trump has no ideological position, which is why he is on both sides of everything.
His moral compass points directly at his own ego.
Are you saying a man cannot change his mind? Are you ignoring the distinct possibility that Trump was well aware of and skilled in the art of subtle sarcasms in 2012? Are you saying that Trump was, is and ever shall be a duplicitous prevaricator to achieve whatever his self-serving agenda may be? Are you really so put off by his bold and brash style that you simply cannot see the man for what he really is?

Every man, woman and child has ego. You do. I do. Everyone does. Get over it. Deal with it. Trump is not a politician. Trump is a doer and an achiever. He really does like to win and he really doesn't give a rodent's posterior about what you, me or anyone else thinks of him, his goals, his actions or methods of achieving. What he is achieving is for HIS vision of America. His vision of America has broad acceptance among the populace. The people of America are already enjoying the benefit of that vision and will enjoy yet more of the benefits of that vision as more of it comes to fruition. Yes, that horrible ego of his is making it happen. You and anyone else are, of course, free to despise and disparage Trump and his ego as you will, this IS America after all. Nevertheless, Trump is winning for you and for me. Troops ARE coming home as he promised. The wall WILL be built despite the deadly, demented dims whether they pass a bill or not. 11,525 pedophiles have, as of last count, been arrested all across the country since Trump took office. More people are back to work at REAL jobs making REAL money, enough to pay their bills, feed and clothe their families, buy and maintain a vehicle or 2 and maybe get out to a real restaurant and a movie a couple times a month. Who else was going to do this for America? Yeah, I'll endure a seemingly over-charged ego for positive results like this. Some still won't... Oh well! I still like winning.
 

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A Showboat bill that goes nowhere, the second bill is interesting though
 

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Are you saying a man cannot change his mind? Are you ignoring the distinct possibility that Trump was well aware of and skilled in the art of subtle sarcasms in 2012? Are you saying that Trump was, is and ever shall be a duplicitous prevaricator to achieve whatever his self-serving agenda may be? Are you really so put off by his bold and brash style that you simply cannot see the man for what he really is?

Every man, woman and child has ego. You do. I do. Everyone does. Get over it. Deal with it. Trump is not a politician. Trump is a doer and an achiever. He really does like to win and he really doesn't give a rodent's posterior about what you, me or anyone else thinks of him, his goals, his actions or methods of achieving. What he is achieving is for HIS vision of America. His vision of America has broad acceptance among the populace. The people of America are already enjoying the benefit of that vision and will enjoy yet more of the benefits of that vision as more of it comes to fruition. Yes, that horrible ego of his is making it happen. You and anyone else are, of course, free to despise and disparage Trump and his ego as you will, this IS America after all. Nevertheless, Trump is winning for you and for me. Troops ARE coming home as he promised. The wall WILL be built despite the deadly, demented dims whether they pass a bill or not. 11,525 pedophiles have, as of last count, been arrested all across the country since Trump took office. More people are back to work at REAL jobs making REAL money, enough to pay their bills, feed and clothe their families, buy and maintain a vehicle or 2 and maybe get out to a real restaurant and a movie a couple times a month. Who else was going to do this for America? Yeah, I'll endure a seemingly over-charged ego for positive results like this. Some still won't... Oh well! I still like winning.
Thanks for that post.
Regards, Alton
 

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I don't think that first Trump tweet is him saying the EC is a bad thing. The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy. Democracy is mob rule, and the EC prevents that from happening.

WE ARE NOT A DEMOCRACY! WE ARE A REPUBLIC of STATES. The EC is the only thing preventing California, New York, and Illinois from destroying this country.
 

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A Republic does not necessarily exclude democratic elections.
Having an "electoral college" does not make the US a Republic. However, it does make it an oligarchy.
NAME me ONE purely Democratic nation. ( Ya can't cause there is ZERO in this world)
No where in this world is the dog catcher or anybody have the exact same Rights of Rule as a Mayor, Govenor, Queen , or President.
 

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NAME me ONE purely Democratic nation. ( Ya can't cause there is ZERO in this world)
No where in this world is the dog catcher or anybody have the exact same Rights of Rule as a Mayor, Govenor, Queen , or President.
Ouch...Nancy Pelocie? She just put it out there that the dog catcher from the twelfth district will catch the dog named the Trump....hahahah now that's funny. rats catching dogs...just too much I tell ya.....
 

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NAME me ONE purely Democratic nation. ( Ya can't cause there is ZERO in this world)
No where in this world is the dog catcher or anybody have the exact same Rights of Rule as a Mayor, Govenor, Queen , or President.
There are many countries where Presidents are elected by direct election. And I didn't say anything about "purely democratic" nations or dog-catchers having the rights of Kings and Queens.
What I did say is that the US is an oligarchy. If you read the definition of the word knowing who elects the President in the US, you'd realize it's true.

All that said, this whole argument boils down to discussing how to elect who will have the power to steal from everyone, which is itself total nonsense.
 

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Not having a an electoral college system in NY means that 10 counties (5 of which comprise NYC) in NY rule over the other 51. That is also why NY is such a mess.
 

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Well, that's just how the population is distributed, isn't it?

Direct elections mean one person, one vote. Every vote counts as much as every other.
The current system means that the vote of people who live in States with small populations weighs more than the vote of people who live in cities. So some people's votes are more equal than others.
Just imagine if Turmp had won the popular vote and lost the electoral vote. Would you still support it?
 

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Thing is the democrats are drinking floride...ther liber-taininum….

edited to add: don't take that as an offence...
 

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Not having a an electoral college system in NY means that 10 counties (5 of which comprise NYC) in NY rule over the other 51. That is also why NY is such a mess.
I first heard this idea from Andrew Wilkow, but he advocates an electoral college at the state level, meaning governors, attorneys general, etc must win electoral votes on a county by county basis.

Sounds great to me.
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Well, that's just how the population is distributed, isn't it?

Direct elections mean one person, one vote. Every vote counts as much as every other.
The current system means that the vote of people who live in States with small populations weighs more than the vote of people who live in cities. So some people's votes are more equal than others.
Just imagine if Turmp had won the popular vote and lost the electoral vote. Would you still support it?
The electoral college was designed to emphasize and enact the concept that the federal government is a creation of the states, and that the states control the federal government. The states vote for president, not the people.
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