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Off topic note: To anyone who is taking any kind of blood thinner like Warfin, clopidogrel, Vit E, and Fish oil to get some Celox and keep it handy in case you cut yourself accidentally. It will clot the blood quick otherwise you are at risk of shock because stopping the thinned blood is tough. It is even available at WaMart Online. I have packets in both cars and in every bathroom.
Though I don’t use a blood thinner anymore, I still keep clotting powder and tourniquet handy in car and home. Also have a Jumbo Styptic Pencil around for all shaving emergencies.
 

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do you realize what you just stated????

you quit the bad shit and end up damn near dead..............

you 2 leggahs are so gullible,

keep sipping on the propaganda, it has worked well for ya

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"A rehab nurse explained nicely after my surgery. She said EVERY human being suffers from heart disease and not just CABG patients. It starts (Atherosclerosis) at the age of about 6 years old and progresses in ALL humans. CABG or Stent people are not an exclusive club for heart disease. But what happens to people like us, it speeded up and progressed faster due to genetics or bad lifestyle habits.

But she also said one vital thing to me about heart disease....that was that my CABG surgery only alleviated a certain situation within me. I still have the problem. I am not cured of Heart disease....it is still ongoing inside and I need to make changes to try and slow it down. Medication, exercise, diet, etc. can be a part of the slowing down process."

Atherosclerosis is an ongoing, progressive disease that damages, blocks & clogs arteries throughout the body, not just the coronary ones. The kidney arteries, the brain, lungs, etc. The idea about controlling the disease is sound and pretty much proven. There are risks in taking statins and blood pressure meds, etc. and these risks are usually far less than letting the disease run rampant.

Proper nutrition, exercise, weight control, and of course not smoking, doesn't work for everyone. Some peoples genetics require medications to help slow down the pace of the Atherosclerosis.

https://www.inspire.com/groups/hear...of-medicines-after-bypass-surgery/?ga=freshen
 

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"The more research you do on your own, the more the truth, misinformation and corruption are exposed. Follow big money and the organizations behind decision making and you better understand why our health and health care is not improving. Do you really think you have bad genes? What else do we pass along to out children besides genes? Toxins. What if you had the information to detox, heal, rebuild, would you? Do you think your genes somehow slow nerve transmission? What about toxins in our bodies building up and blocking/slowing nerve function? How does big pharma, AMA, AHA, ACS, govt profit from curing people? It is not profitable to cure so they instead spread misinformation and medicate. What is in your food supply (GMOs, petrochemicals, pesticides, etc), in your medication, vaccines (petrochemicals, metals), on your lawn (glyphosphate) in your water (floride, medications, chlorine..), on your clothes (formaldehyde), cleaning products, air ... And what does your doctor do to remove these from your system? Nothing. Is it a coincidence that animals living in our same environment are dying of all the same illnesses that we are? After thousands of years, suddenly since the industrial revolution everyone has bad genes??? Genetic manipulation sounds like old science, marketing ploy and good way to reap in billions and never have to be accountable for curing anything. Information is out there to cure diseases but you must seek it, take action and commit to a healthy life style:)"

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"A rehab nurse explained nicely after my surgery. She said EVERY human being suffers from heart disease and not just CABG patients. It starts (Atherosclerosis) at the age of about 6 years old and progresses in ALL humans. CABG or Stent people are not an exclusive club for heart disease. But what happens to people like us, it speeded up and progressed faster due to genetics or bad lifestyle habits.

But she also said one vital thing to me about heart disease....that was that my CABG surgery only alleviated a certain situation within me. I still have the problem. I am not cured of Heart disease....it is still ongoing inside and I need to make changes to try and slow it down. Medication, exercise, diet, etc. can be a part of the slowing down process."

Atherosclerosis is an ongoing, progressive disease that damages, blocks & clogs arteries throughout the body, not just the coronary ones. The kidney arteries, the brain, lungs, etc. The idea about controlling the disease is sound and pretty much proven. There are risks in taking statins and blood pressure meds, etc. and these risks are usually far less than letting the disease run rampant.

Proper nutrition, exercise, weight control, and of course not smoking, doesn't work for everyone. Some peoples genetics require medications to help slow down the pace of the Atherosclerosis.

https://www.inspire.com/groups/hear...of-medicines-after-bypass-surgery/?ga=freshen
Glad you made it BB, like you my Dad had the same issues but didn't (1990s). No offense to your rehab nurse but the studies she is using are originally from the 1990s. Much more recent efforts have focused upon vascular inflammation that direct ca induced plaque formation (TNF studies etc). The rigidity of blood vessels even as a function of vitamin d deficiency has been well documented, irregardless of age. A more recent review (Dec 2017) (just abstract for free to non subscribers) focuses not on en masse reduction of cholesterol , but rather the inflammation process. Ironically diets high in fruits such as blueberries that maintain pliability of the vessels is more important than cholesterol levels. Herbs such as Tumeric that not only prevent "bad" cholesterol oxidation and hence plaque formation but also have been known for centuries to reduce inflammation (hence the great benefit in treatment of arthritis). Just some fyi.
 

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Thanks for the synopsis Bob. Very interesting how lifestyle effects us.

I try to eat healthy. I like my cookies though and the occasional piece of chocolate.

The wife and I take a 2 mile walk nearly every day.

65 and doing pretty good.
 

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Watch "Dr. Stephanie Seneff - What Statin Drugs Really Are and Why They Don't Work

 

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I dont have the data volume to watch the Statin post......but when i had my issues Dr put me on a Statin (lipator)....total cholesterol dropped over 100 points immediately to just under 200 i felt leg tired and achey so i reduced my dosage by 50% cholesterol stayed low and side effects went away so i have stayed on it and through diet etc have lowered cholesterol to 150ish
 

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Watch "Dr. Stephanie Seneff - What Statin Drugs Really Are and Why They Don't Work

Doctors are the spokesman for big pharma and device manufacturers and medical hospital equipment monopoly industrry. Clueless doctors have no insight into what they are doing!

All drugs are chemicals. Some times useful in set doses. All the drugs that one takes have to be metabolized (digested) by the liver or kidney. one has to be more careful with kidney than the liver, so as to not cause irreparable damage.

Drug holidays is something widely done in third world countries. One has to be cautious and do a lot of research to read in between the lines about evidence based outcomes research.

Drinking water and flushing the toxins. Keeping the bowels empty is probably the secret to a healthier life. Periodic short bout of starving if you can. Very difficult initially to control the mind.
 

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Doctors are the spokesman for big pharma and device manufacturers and medical hospital equipment monopoly industrry. Clueless doctors have no insight into what they are doing!

All drugs are chemicals. Some times useful in set doses. All the drugs that one takes have to be metabolized (digested) by the liver or kidney. one has to be more careful with kidney than the liver, so as to not cause irreparable damage.

Drug holidays is something widely done in third world countries. One has to be cautious and do a lot of research to read in between the lines about evidence based outcomes research.

Drinking water and flushing the toxins. Keeping the bowels empty is probably the secret to a healthier life. Periodic short bout of starving if you can. Very difficult initially to control the mind.
Comment from Inspire.com:

"I used to think - and Believe - that Mainstream Medicine had all the right answers, that I could totally trust my GPs and even more so my 'Specialists'... that whatever advice or therapies or medicines they offered were safe, effective for the right reasons, Rigorously Tested and PROVEN in transparent, properly conducted (Gold Standard) randomised double-blinded placebo-controlled trials.

What a surprise to discover that the benefits of stents - for STABLE angina - has only now been PROVEN by the First, yes, that's right, the FIRST properly conducted randomised, blinded, placebo-controlled trial... around FORTY years AFTER being introduced.

http://www.hayesinc.com/hayes/resource-center/news-service/HNS-20171006-682 /

Or read it direct from The Lancet if you are willing to pay...

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(17)32714-9/f ulltext?elsca1=tlxpr

But here's the 'Interpretation'
"In patients with medically treated angina and severe coronary stenosis, PCI did not increase exercise time by more than the effect of a placebo procedure. The efficacy of invasive procedures can be assessed with a placebo control, as is standard for pharmacotherapy."

Optimal Medical Therapy (drugs etc) would have been cheaper and no less effective.... in place of my 3 stenting procedures, and perhaps the CABG x 5 of 12 months ago, - by the same Cardiology Company that did my stents....

Can anyone hazard a guess why I have diminished confidence in them in particular, and Conventional Medicine in general ?

(Pity I was so.,.Con-vinced.... that I didn't ask the Right Questions)

Distrustful & Cynical OlderDownUnder

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Hi BB, use it, don't use it.

The Cure for Heart Disease: Condensed


http://internetwks.com/owen/HeartCureRD.htm

'READER'S DIGEST' VERSION

Cardiovascular Diseases Those few species that fail to synthesize ascorbic acid (vitamin C) are prone to a form of ‘heart disease’ that is not prevalent in other species. The theory that Cardiovascular Disease (CVD) is related to a deficiency of vitamin C was first proposed by the Canadian physician G. C. Willis in 1953. He found that atherosclerotic plaques form over vitamin-C-starved vascular tissues in both guinea pigs and human beings. In 1989, after the discoveries of the Lp(a) cholesterol molecule (circa 1964) and its lysine binding sites (circa 1987), Linus Pauling and his associate Matthias Rath formulated a unified theory of heart disease and invented a cure. Vitamin C and lysine (and proline) in large amounts become Lp(a) binding inhibitors that restore vascular health and are patented to destroy atherosclerotic plaques.

Chronic scurvy. Heart disease is a misnomer; the underlying disease process reduces the supply of blood to the heart and other organs leading to angina ("heart cramp"), heart attack and stroke. The disease is characterized by scab-like build-ups that grow on the walls of blood vessels. The correct terminology for this disease process is chronic scurvy, a slower form of the classic vitamin C deficiency disease.

The hypothesis that CVD is an ascorbic acid (vitamin C) deficiency disease was first conceived and tested in Canada. Willis devised a method of photographing plaques with X-rays and observed that atherosclerotic plaques were not uniformly distributed throughout the vascular system; rather these "blockages" are concentrated near the heart, where arteries are constantly bent or squeezed.

Another Canadian, Paterson, had found that the tissues of heart patients were generally depleted of vitamin C, and it was well known that vitamin C is required for strong and healthy arteries. Willis reasoned that only the mechanical stress caused by the pulse could explain the typical pattern of atherosclerosis. To Willis, the body was laying down plaque precisely where it was needed in order to stabilize the vascular system.

By the late 1980s, medical researchers had made several intriguing discoveries.

First came the discovery that heart disease begins with a lesion, a crack or stress fracture, in the arterial wall. The question became, and remains, as to the cause of these lesions in human beings since they do not arise in most other animals. Then a variant of the so-called "bad" LDL cholesterol called lipoprotein(a), or Lp(a) for short, was studied and found to be really bad. Lp(a) is sticky because of receptors on the surface of the molecule called lysine binding sites. Work that led to the 1987 Nobel prize in medicine discovered that lysine (and proline) binding sites cause the formation of atherosclerotic plaques. Then, Beisiegel et. al. in Germany examined plaques post mortem and found only Lp(a), not ordinary LDL cholesterol.

Lp(a) was the genetic difference between beings that suffer cardiovascular disease and those that do not. Lp(a) had evolved only in species that do not make their own vitamin C - e.g. humans and guinea pigs.

Pauling and Rath repeated the earlier Willis experiments, but this time they monitored Lp(a). They discovered that it becomes elevated in guinea pigs deprived of vitamin C, but not in the controls. These experiments connected elevated-Lp(a) with low serum vitamin C. They realized that in most species, sufficient ascorbic acid will prevent stress fractures, but in those species that suffer chronic scurvy, Lp(a) had evolved to patch cracked blood vessels.

As chronic scurvy progresses, the liver produces more Lp(a) molecules. As the number of Lp(a) molecules increases, they tend to deposit on top of existing plaque formations. When the healing process overshoots, the arteries narrow and the flow of blood is reduced.

This problem has a solution. The Lp(a) molecule has a finite number of lysine binding sites - points of attachment to lysine. Pauling’s invention - the cure for heart disease - is to increase the serum concentration of the amino acid lysine enough to make the Lp(a) unattractive. As more lysine enters the blood stream, the probability increases that floating Lp(a) molecules will bind with it (rather than with the patches of plaques growing on the arterial walls.)

After all the Lp(a) molecule’s binding receptors are filled with the free lysine floating in the blood, the Lp(a) molecule becomes as harmless as ordinary LDL cholesterol.

Pauling and Rath called the substances that treat chronic scurvy and destroy existing plaques Lp(a) binding inhibitors. Vitamin C, to increase collagen production and to improve the health and strength of arteries, and lysine, to prevent and to dissolve Lp(a) plaques, are the primary binding inhibitors. These substances taken together are clinically effective.

Linus Pauling believed that chronic scurvy can be prevented with an orthomolecular daily intake of between 3,000 to 10,000 mg or more vitamin C. This amount approximates what the animals synthesize, and matching animal production is the reason Pauling ingested 18,000 mg daily.

Pauling and Rath's invention for destroying existing atherosclerotic plaques is the large amount of another essential nutrient, the amino acid lysine. Pauling filmed a video lecture in which he recommended that heart patients take between 2,000 and 6,000 mg of lysine daily with their vitamin C (more if serum Lp(a) is elevated). Neither vitamin C nor lysine have any known lethal dose.

The Lp(a) binding inhibitors become the Pauling Therapy for heart disease only at high dosages, between vitamin 3 to 18 g ascorbic acid and 3 to 6 g lysine. In his video, Pauling recounts the first cases where his high vitamin C and lysine therapy quickly resolved advanced cardiovascular disease in humans. The effect is so pronounced, and the inhibitors are so nontoxic, that Pauling doubted a clinical study was even necessary.

Recently, the amino acid proline was found to be an even more effective Lp(a) binding inhibitor than lysine in vitro. Adding between .5 and 2 g proline may be of significant additional benefit.

When serum Lp(a) is elevated, Lp(a) binding inhibitors can profoundly interfere with the disease process. Binding inhibitor formulas that include proline have been documented to lower Lp(a) in six to 14 months. In cases where Lp(a) is not reduced, binding inhibitors become even more important to neutralize Lp(a) regardless of their effect on serum Lp(a).

Recently a reevaluation of the Framingham Heart study that Lp(a) and not ordinary LDL is highly predictive of CVD and Oxford found that elevated Lp(a) increases the risk of heart attack and stroke by 70%.

The on-going lack of scientific curiosity or interest by organized medicine in the Pauling/Rath theory and Pauling's high-dose therapy may well be recognized as the greatest lapse of the 20th century.

Heart disease orthomolecular protocol

NOV 2005: UPDATED PROTOCOL HERE

  1. Take Vitamin C as ascorbic acid (or sodium ascorbate, but this form may be less effective) up to bowel tolerance (3 to 18 g per day in divided doses.)
    The half-life of vitamin C in the blood stream is 30 minutes. NIH findings indicate minimum 500 mg every 4 hours leads to highest sustained blood levels, take more before bed, trips, etc. Trouble with bloating/gas/diarrhea after your vitamin C? Try Liposomal Vitamin C
  2. Take Lysine. 2 to 3 g daily for prevention and from 3 to 6 g daily for the greatest therapeutic benefit.
  3. Supplement Coenzyme Q10 (100 - 300 mg) (Note: Vitamin C and several vitamins will help stimulate your own synthesis of CoQ10. CoQ10 is a vital substance for energy and proper heart function. Popular drugs interfere with your body's own production of CoQ10, and they may lead to heart failure)
  4. Take Proline from 250 mg to 2000 mg daily. (This added factor may lower elevated Lp(a) within 6 to 14 months.)
  5. NEW: Eliminate man-made/processed fats, such as trans and hydrogenated fats, and supplement Omega-3 rich oils. "Research has shown that an Omega-3 Index of 8 percent to 10 percent reduces a person's relative risk of death from coronary heart disease by 40 percent, and from sudden cardiac death by 90 percent." This benefit probably results from restored insulin-mediated glucose/vitamin C uptake into cells. [See: Protocol for Reversing Diabetes Type II by Eliminating Hydrogenated and Trans Fats and adding Omega-3 oils... ]
    Note: Following an Atkins-style diet will eliminate most trans fats because these "poisons" appear mostly in processed carbohydrate foods such as cookies, crackers, snacks, etc. Butter is vastly supperior to margarine. Natural saturated fats are vastly superior to any fats or oils processed for longer shelf life.
  6. NEW: Eliminate ordinary sugar and refined carbohydrates. New research confirms Dr. John Ely's 30-year theory that sugar (glucose) competes with ascorbic acid (Vitamin C) for insulin-mediated uptake into cells. Taking sugar can effectively crowd out the Ascorbate. The effect of the Pauling Therapy is reportedly much more pronounced and immediate when sugar is eliminated (and good Omega-3 fatty acids are added.)
  7. Follow Paulings general heart and cardiovascular recommendations provided in his book HOW TO LIVE LONGER AND FEEL BETTER , e.g., Vitamin E - 800 to 3200 iu ,Vitamin A - 20,000 to 40,000 iu , andSuper B-Complex, esp. Vitamins B6 and B3
  8. Supplement the mineral Magnesium (300 to 1500 mg) and avoid Manganese (No more than 2 mg. USDA researchers report that elevated manganese, more than 20 mg daily, competes with magnesium uptake in the heart causing irregular heart beats.)
    Manganese alters mitochodrial integrity in the hearts of swine marginally deficient in magnesium ... These results suggest that high Mn, when fed in combination with low Mg, disrupts mitochondrial ultrastructure and is associated with the sudden deaths previously reported.
  9. Eat salt, only unrefined salt, Brownstein discovered literature that a low-salt diet can cause the body to change its hormonal balance as it attempts to retain sodium. This leads to a 400% chance of heart attack in those with high blood pressure and low sodium intake [*]. Refined (ordinary table salt) is poisonous, but unrefined salt has over 80 minerals and can be considered a necessary "health food."
  10. Avoid supplemental calcium, and supplement vitamin K for proper calcium metabolism, especially if you have taken antibiotics or blood thinners in the past.
  11. Add a good mineral/multivitamin
  12. Supplement the amino acids Taurine, Arginine and Carnitine (1 to 3 g).
Owen Fonorow, Naturopath
Vitamin C Foundation
PO Box 3097, Lisle IL 60532
www.VitaminCFoundation.org
630-416-1438

VitaminCfoundation.org
TheCureForHeartDisease.com
PaulingTherapy.com
Hearttechnology.com


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Hi BB, use it, don't use it.

The Cure for Heart Disease: Condensed


http://internetwks.com/owen/HeartCureRD.htm

'READER'S DIGEST' VERSION

Cardiovascular Diseases Those few species that fail to synthesize ascorbic acid (vitamin C) are prone to a form of ‘heart disease’ that is not prevalent in other species. The theory that Cardiovascular Disease (CVD) is related to a deficiency of vitamin C was first proposed by the Canadian physician G. C. Willis in 1953. He found that atherosclerotic plaques form over vitamin-C-starved vascular tissues in both guinea pigs and human beings. In 1989, after the discoveries of the Lp(a) cholesterol molecule (circa 1964) and its lysine binding sites (circa 1987), Linus Pauling and his associate Matthias Rath formulated a unified theory of heart disease and invented a cure. Vitamin C and lysine (and proline) in large amounts become Lp(a) binding inhibitors that restore vascular health and are patented to destroy atherosclerotic plaques.

Chronic scurvy. Heart disease is a misnomer; the underlying disease process reduces the supply of blood to the heart and other organs leading to angina ("heart cramp"), heart attack and stroke. The disease is characterized by scab-like build-ups that grow on the walls of blood vessels. The correct terminology for this disease process is chronic scurvy, a slower form of the classic vitamin C deficiency disease.

The hypothesis that CVD is an ascorbic acid (vitamin C) deficiency disease was first conceived and tested in Canada. Willis devised a method of photographing plaques with X-rays and observed that atherosclerotic plaques were not uniformly distributed throughout the vascular system; rather these "blockages" are concentrated near the heart, where arteries are constantly bent or squeezed.

Another Canadian, Paterson, had found that the tissues of heart patients were generally depleted of vitamin C, and it was well known that vitamin C is required for strong and healthy arteries. Willis reasoned that only the mechanical stress caused by the pulse could explain the typical pattern of atherosclerosis. To Willis, the body was laying down plaque precisely where it was needed in order to stabilize the vascular system.

By the late 1980s, medical researchers had made several intriguing discoveries.

First came the discovery that heart disease begins with a lesion, a crack or stress fracture, in the arterial wall. The question became, and remains, as to the cause of these lesions in human beings since they do not arise in most other animals. Then a variant of the so-called "bad" LDL cholesterol called lipoprotein(a), or Lp(a) for short, was studied and found to be really bad. Lp(a) is sticky because of receptors on the surface of the molecule called lysine binding sites. Work that led to the 1987 Nobel prize in medicine discovered that lysine (and proline) binding sites cause the formation of atherosclerotic plaques. Then, Beisiegel et. al. in Germany examined plaques post mortem and found only Lp(a), not ordinary LDL cholesterol.

Lp(a) was the genetic difference between beings that suffer cardiovascular disease and those that do not. Lp(a) had evolved only in species that do not make their own vitamin C - e.g. humans and guinea pigs.

Pauling and Rath repeated the earlier Willis experiments, but this time they monitored Lp(a). They discovered that it becomes elevated in guinea pigs deprived of vitamin C, but not in the controls. These experiments connected elevated-Lp(a) with low serum vitamin C. They realized that in most species, sufficient ascorbic acid will prevent stress fractures, but in those species that suffer chronic scurvy, Lp(a) had evolved to patch cracked blood vessels.

As chronic scurvy progresses, the liver produces more Lp(a) molecules. As the number of Lp(a) molecules increases, they tend to deposit on top of existing plaque formations. When the healing process overshoots, the arteries narrow and the flow of blood is reduced.

This problem has a solution. The Lp(a) molecule has a finite number of lysine binding sites - points of attachment to lysine. Pauling’s invention - the cure for heart disease - is to increase the serum concentration of the amino acid lysine enough to make the Lp(a) unattractive. As more lysine enters the blood stream, the probability increases that floating Lp(a) molecules will bind with it (rather than with the patches of plaques growing on the arterial walls.)

After all the Lp(a) molecule’s binding receptors are filled with the free lysine floating in the blood, the Lp(a) molecule becomes as harmless as ordinary LDL cholesterol.

Pauling and Rath called the substances that treat chronic scurvy and destroy existing plaques Lp(a) binding inhibitors. Vitamin C, to increase collagen production and to improve the health and strength of arteries, and lysine, to prevent and to dissolve Lp(a) plaques, are the primary binding inhibitors. These substances taken together are clinically effective.

Linus Pauling believed that chronic scurvy can be prevented with an orthomolecular daily intake of between 3,000 to 10,000 mg or more vitamin C. This amount approximates what the animals synthesize, and matching animal production is the reason Pauling ingested 18,000 mg daily.

Pauling and Rath's invention for destroying existing atherosclerotic plaques is the large amount of another essential nutrient, the amino acid lysine. Pauling filmed a video lecture in which he recommended that heart patients take between 2,000 and 6,000 mg of lysine daily with their vitamin C (more if serum Lp(a) is elevated). Neither vitamin C nor lysine have any known lethal dose.

The Lp(a) binding inhibitors become the Pauling Therapy for heart disease only at high dosages, between vitamin 3 to 18 g ascorbic acid and 3 to 6 g lysine. In his video, Pauling recounts the first cases where his high vitamin C and lysine therapy quickly resolved advanced cardiovascular disease in humans. The effect is so pronounced, and the inhibitors are so nontoxic, that Pauling doubted a clinical study was even necessary.

Recently, the amino acid proline was found to be an even more effective Lp(a) binding inhibitor than lysine in vitro. Adding between .5 and 2 g proline may be of significant additional benefit.

When serum Lp(a) is elevated, Lp(a) binding inhibitors can profoundly interfere with the disease process. Binding inhibitor formulas that include proline have been documented to lower Lp(a) in six to 14 months. In cases where Lp(a) is not reduced, binding inhibitors become even more important to neutralize Lp(a) regardless of their effect on serum Lp(a).

Recently a reevaluation of the Framingham Heart study that Lp(a) and not ordinary LDL is highly predictive of CVD and Oxford found that elevated Lp(a) increases the risk of heart attack and stroke by 70%.

The on-going lack of scientific curiosity or interest by organized medicine in the Pauling/Rath theory and Pauling's high-dose therapy may well be recognized as the greatest lapse of the 20th century.

Heart disease orthomolecular protocol

NOV 2005: UPDATED PROTOCOL HERE

  1. Take Vitamin C as ascorbic acid (or sodium ascorbate, but this form may be less effective) up to bowel tolerance (3 to 18 g per day in divided doses.)
    The half-life of vitamin C in the blood stream is 30 minutes. NIH findings indicate minimum 500 mg every 4 hours leads to highest sustained blood levels, take more before bed, trips, etc. Trouble with bloating/gas/diarrhea after your vitamin C? Try Liposomal Vitamin C
  2. Take Lysine. 2 to 3 g daily for prevention and from 3 to 6 g daily for the greatest therapeutic benefit.
  3. Supplement Coenzyme Q10 (100 - 300 mg) (Note: Vitamin C and several vitamins will help stimulate your own synthesis of CoQ10. CoQ10 is a vital substance for energy and proper heart function. Popular drugs interfere with your body's own production of CoQ10, and they may lead to heart failure)
  4. Take Proline from 250 mg to 2000 mg daily. (This added factor may lower elevated Lp(a) within 6 to 14 months.)
  5. NEW: Eliminate man-made/processed fats, such as trans and hydrogenated fats, and supplement Omega-3 rich oils. "Research has shown that an Omega-3 Index of 8 percent to 10 percent reduces a person's relative risk of death from coronary heart disease by 40 percent, and from sudden cardiac death by 90 percent." This benefit probably results from restored insulin-mediated glucose/vitamin C uptake into cells. [See: Protocol for Reversing Diabetes Type II by Eliminating Hydrogenated and Trans Fats and adding Omega-3 oils... ]
    Note: Following an Atkins-style diet will eliminate most trans fats because these "poisons" appear mostly in processed carbohydrate foods such as cookies, crackers, snacks, etc. Butter is vastly supperior to margarine. Natural saturated fats are vastly superior to any fats or oils processed for longer shelf life.
  6. NEW: Eliminate ordinary sugar and refined carbohydrates. New research confirms Dr. John Ely's 30-year theory that sugar (glucose) competes with ascorbic acid (Vitamin C) for insulin-mediated uptake into cells. Taking sugar can effectively crowd out the Ascorbate. The effect of the Pauling Therapy is reportedly much more pronounced and immediate when sugar is eliminated (and good Omega-3 fatty acids are added.)
  7. Follow Paulings general heart and cardiovascular recommendations provided in his book HOW TO LIVE LONGER AND FEEL BETTER , e.g., Vitamin E - 800 to 3200 iu ,Vitamin A - 20,000 to 40,000 iu , andSuper B-Complex, esp. Vitamins B6 and B3
  8. Supplement the mineral Magnesium (300 to 1500 mg) and avoid Manganese (No more than 2 mg. USDA researchers report that elevated manganese, more than 20 mg daily, competes with magnesium uptake in the heart causing irregular heart beats.)
    Manganese alters mitochodrial integrity in the hearts of swine marginally deficient in magnesium ... These results suggest that high Mn, when fed in combination with low Mg, disrupts mitochondrial ultrastructure and is associated with the sudden deaths previously reported.
  9. Eat salt, only unrefined salt, Brownstein discovered literature that a low-salt diet can cause the body to change its hormonal balance as it attempts to retain sodium. This leads to a 400% chance of heart attack in those with high blood pressure and low sodium intake [*]. Refined (ordinary table salt) is poisonous, but unrefined salt has over 80 minerals and can be considered a necessary "health food."
  10. Avoid supplemental calcium, and supplement vitamin K for proper calcium metabolism, especially if you have taken antibiotics or blood thinners in the past.
  11. Add a good mineral/multivitamin
  12. Supplement the amino acids Taurine, Arginine and Carnitine (1 to 3 g).
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I'll be damned, makes to much sense. First interview with Cardiologist he stressed the vital importance of consuming fresh fruits & veggies & used the Mediterranean Diet as an example... the major commonality is Vitamin C!!!

Un-F_king Believable! Scurvy of all damn things.... The bastards even brought scurvy on-shore with their admiralty law...
 

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I never experienced the usual symptoms of cardiovascular disease (CVD) such as pain in my legs or chest (angina) or my left arm going numb.... what I experienced was a mild persistent cough which I attributed to 48 yrs of cigarette smoking, a.k.a. smokers cough & acid reflux. Both the cough & the acid reflux disappeared post the CABG X5.

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Cough is such a common complaint that it often attracts but little attention. This is particularly true when the cough is nonproductive and when there is no hoarseness, fever, or chest pain. It is easy to understand, therefore, how cough as a symptom may be neglected frequently in patients with cardiovascular disease in contrast to more definitive and impressive symptoms such as shortness of breath and chest or arm pain. This seems generally to be the case, since there are only a few reports pertaining to cough as a symptom in cardiovascular disease, and the majority of these have originated*****

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/18124574/

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Wife unit is getting a run-around with cardiologist and pulmonary docs. She had an nuclear stress test yesterday and they want her to go tomorrow for more tests. Wish one of these specialists could pinpoint what is going on.
What more test are they asking for? The cardio guy should go over the stress test with her. He might want to do a echo cardiogram (which is nothing), but he must have a concern.

Wish I had some warning back in 05, believe me. Tell her to ask pointed questions, and get answers. If not go find another cardio guy.

Now what has the pulmonary involved? Shortness of breath? He can't do anything for the heart, but the heart defiantly will cause other symptoms to appear.
 

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Pumphead: Does the heart-lung machine have a dark side?

One man's experience with cognitive impairment after open-heart surgery

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/pumphead-heart-lung-machine/
Not the first time I have read something on this. But I will say this from my own heart problems. Never had OHS but I have had stents after my HA. I soon after that developed A-Fib. The norm is to put someone on Warfin and hope they don't stroke.

After doing some research I saw that they had a ablation process that kills the nerves that are misfiring and causing the A-Fib. At the time there was only one team working the procedure from West Palm to Miami. I got on the list and had to wait a month but finally got in at JFK in Atlantis FL. The whole thing went fine until about a week after the process. I went to the emergency room here and was shipped on over to JKF during the night. The next morning I was back on the table in hard A-Fib (heart rate of 155). That was good I guess because there was no guessing which nerves were misfiring when they repeated the procedure.

So back to the topic. I have noticed a loss of cognitive ability ever since they did the A-Fib procedures, very faintly at first. It's been seven years now and it seems to have stopped but I' not sure.

My quess is that when they screw around with the heart somewhere down the road you do have some cognitive impairment. They just won't answer the question when asked I know I have asked some very pointed questions only to get the subject changed without a answer.

Anyway glad you are on the upside and feeling better Bob.

Note: You have all new pipes now so you get another 65 years to clog them up again. So back to the old habits. <- actually had a guy tell me this not long ago.
 

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What more test are they asking for? The cardio guy should go over the stress test with her. He might want to do a echo cardiogram (which is nothing), but he must have a concern.

Wish I had some warning back in 05, believe me. Tell her to ask pointed questions, and get answers. If not go find another cardio guy.

Now what has the pulmonary involved? Shortness of breath? He can't do anything for the heart, but the heart defiantly will cause other symptoms to appear.
If it wasn't for the alert button, I would have not known of your question.

She has had breathing problems for a long time. A collapse lung from pneumonia long ago. I'm sure the lack of oxygen causes stress on many parts of the body. As of today, all that testing has changed nothing and she is no longer seeking help from the "specialists". She has changed the way she eats in a more positive fashion. Not a diet so to speak but just eating better foods. She doesn't buy the flashy packaged healthy foods but I have noticed that real foods are expensive. At the check out counter but I would imagine they pay off at the docs office.
 

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Not the first time I have read something on this. But I will say this from my own heart problems. Never had OHS but I have had stents after my HA. I soon after that developed A-Fib. The norm is to put someone on Warfin and hope they don't stroke.

After doing some research I saw that they had a ablation process that kills the nerves that are misfiring and causing the A-Fib. At the time there was only one team working the procedure from West Palm to Miami. I got on the list and had to wait a month but finally got in at JFK in Atlantis FL. The whole thing went fine until about a week after the process. I went to the emergency room here and was shipped on over to JKF during the night. The next morning I was back on the table in hard A-Fib (heart rate of 155). That was good I guess because there was no guessing which nerves were misfiring when they repeated the procedure.

So back to the topic. I have noticed a loss of cognitive ability ever since they did the A-Fib procedures, very faintly at first. It's been seven years now and it seems to have stopped but I' not sure.

My quess is that when they screw around with the heart somewhere down the road you do have some cognitive impairment. They just won't answer the question when asked I know I have asked some very pointed questions only to get the subject changed without a answer.

Anyway glad you are on the upside and feeling better Bob.

Note: You have all new pipes now so you get another 65 years to clog them up again. So back to the old habits. <- actually had a guy tell me this not long ago.
@ Mayhem... Glad to hear your A-fib is under control. I agree, when you mess with the heart it creates among other things, cognitive impairment....

I definetly have experienced a loss of cognitive abilities since my CABG X5. My Cardiologist refuses to admit that the procedure causes pump head, a loss in cognitive abilities or memory loss, etc.. I find his position very absurd & unacceptable as there is plenty of evidence & research to support these claims by thousands of patients & documented by some very credible institutions (Mayo Clinic, National Institute of Health & American Heart Assoc., etc., etc. etc.).

I spoke to a GIM member who is a practicing anethesiologist about these symptoms being a side effect of the anethesia... He said its not related... hence it is directly related to either the on-pump functions and/or the heart surgery. The current theory is that use of the pump breaks up small congealed debris that travels thru the circulatory system. Some of this debris is smaller than the pumps filters, the debris then becomes lodged into brain cells once the patient is returned to the heart circulating blood. It is supected that the incursion of the circulating micro debris circulating into the brain cells causes mini strokes, ergo "pump head." Its very interesting that the brain is mostly composed of cholesterol & almost all post op CABG patients are prescribed & placed high dose statins to remove cholesterol from the circulatory system. Seems to me that the pump is a necessary evil that produces some nasty side effects that this industry refuses to recognize or even admit exists... There are some serious questions arising about the effectiveness of statins & whether or not they are causing further harm to CAV patients.

What was really crazy was for about ts he first four months post-op certain things hit me very emotionally & made me want to just start crying & ball out aloud. I was barely capable of withholding these emotions..... A teevee show, a movie, bad news etc. seemed to trigger these emotions. These symptoms are also reported by the majority of CABG, etc. patients....

I'm now 6 months post-op with no major complications... excepting the normal trauma of spreading the chest cavity open @ the sternum, pump-head, lower cognitive abilities & loss of muscle mass. Other than these normal complaints, my recovery has been rather normal & mundane... I have new pipes, a new mediteranean diet, dont drink anything with caffine & quit smoking after being a smoker for 48 yrs.... dont really feel that much different or even better. Maybe I'll feel better 6 mos or a year from now!

Its rather funny talking to these doctors... I'm 60 yoa, 5' 10" & weigh 165#, my cholesteral is now lower than 160, I'm not overweight, I exercise regularly, dont smoke, dont use caffine, eat a plant based almost vegetarian diet, and rarely drink alcohol.... my BP is 110 over 60 & a pulse of 60 bpm. I dont take any BP medicine except for 81 mg chewable aspirin & 40 mg prevastatin (statin). Whats a doctor gonna advise me to do differently? LMAO.... Their intake nurses ask me most of these questions, when I see the Doc they mostly try to engage in small talk when I stop them and begin asking real questions... that usually ends the appointment quickly, as usually they dont want to talk about my questions.... LOL

I have already informed them that I wont be going thru another CABG procedure, once was enuff! They just stare into space in disbelief when I say that... too funny.
 

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If it wasn't for the alert button, I would have not known of your question.

She has had breathing problems for a long time. A collapse lung from pneumonia long ago. I'm sure the lack of oxygen causes stress on many parts of the body. As of today, all that testing has changed nothing and she is no longer seeking help from the "specialists". She has changed the way she eats in a more positive fashion. Not a diet so to speak but just eating better foods. She doesn't buy the flashy packaged healthy foods but I have noticed that real foods are expensive. At the check out counter but I would imagine they pay off at the docs office.
Check out this web site:

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What does this consist of?

What was it in the Months prior to your operation?
Mainly walking 2 - 5 miles per day, stretching, using lite weights & elastic bands, etc....

My BP prior to the procedure was around 140 over 80, pulse 60 bpm.... Total cholesterol count was 250 when admitted into hospital. The exercising, diet & statin has it now lower than 160 as of Jan. 4, 2018. My target is 120.

I eat oatmeal with walnuts & blueberries every morning which really helps to lower the cholesterol & clean the blood. We eat meat, usually chicken or fish once or twice a week @ dinner, the remainder of the week is mostly a plant based diet of fresh fruits, vegetables & various grains. It was a bit difficult to acclimate to the new almost vegetarian diet, but now I would never go back to the former diet...

The Cardiologist recommends everyone over the age of 40 to ingest daily one 81mg chewable aspirin. It supposedly helps to prevents the plaque in the blood stream from becoming very sticky & creating blockages. In the case of patients like me with CVD, lowering the cholesterol count is almost secondary, as the statin lowers circulatory inflammation & helps to eliminate plaque thru the kidneys.

Aspirin the Wonder Drug

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/aspirin-wonder-drug-2016122210916

So whats a major cause of heart disease, especially atheroscleosis? Researchers have found that its a Vitamin C deficiency a.k.a. "scurvy" of the circulatory system. Hu-mans unlike most animals cannot naturally synthesize Vitamin C ... Vitamin C must be injested several times throughout the day to achieve its full benefits. The western diet lacks sufficient daily Vitamin C. I try to injest different sources of Vit. C throughout the day by snacking on berries, cherries, & citrus (note: Do Not consume grapefruit if your prescribed statins).

"Most cardiologists shocked to discover the true cause of heart attacks"

Focal coronary arterial scurvy causes the inflammation

Most people, including healthcare practitioners, think of scurvy only as a severe vitamin C deficiency throughout the body that rarely occurs any longer in the modern world. And this is correct. However, scurvy also occurs when vitamin C is severely depleted in one tissue or organ while the rest of the body has ample amounts.

This is known as focal scurvy – which often exists in individuals who appear to be otherwise completely healthy. And where there is focal scurvy, there is focal inflammation, as discussed below.

Normally, vitamin C is present literally everywhere in the body, both inside and outside the cells. All organs contain it and need it to function correctly and optimally. A point that continues to be missed by many clinicians and even basic researchers is the following:

Inflammation cannot exist where there is no vitamin C deficiency.

Pathophysiologically, inflammation and vitamin C deficiency are the same.

This is because inflammation results in nothing more than increased oxidative stress (prooxidation), and such increased oxidative stress cannot exist where enough vitamin C (antioxidant) is present at the same time. So, any factor that increases oxidative stress consumes a proportionate amount of vitamin C, and any decrease in the ongoing supply of vitamin C to an area of the body allows oxidative stress to go unquenched, and this allows the clinical and laboratory evidence of vitamin C deficiency (aka focal scurvy) to appear. This means that…

Focal inflammation is a synonym for focal scurvy.

And since all disease pathologies feature increased oxidative stress in the affected tissues and cells, it can be further stated that:

All chronic diseases are states of focal scurvy in the affected tissues and organs.

https://www.peakenergy.com/articles...-to-discover-the-true-cause-of-heart-attacks/
 

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@ Mayhem... Glad to hear your A-fib is under control. I agree, when you mess with the heart it creates among other things, cognitive impairment....
Yeah, but the procedure leaves the patent with another bigger problem. So they will not perform the procedure now unless the patient signs off on it. But no cardio guy will talk about it, just dodge the question.

Its very interesting that the brain is mostly composed of cholesterol & almost all post op CABG patients are prescribed & placed high dose statins to remove cholesterol from the circulatory system. Seems to me that the pump is a necessary evil that produces some nasty side effects that this industry refuses to recognize or even admit exists... There are some serious questions arising about the effectiveness of statins & whether or not they are causing further harm to CAV patients.
Get rid of the statins. People are so dense today because they (med whores) wont admit that a person's brain is made up of 2/3 rd's cholesterol, and when you lower the number below 180 you are endangering the patient. Most of the plaque buildup in the artery's is because the artery's are inflamed so the cholesterol sticks to the inflamed area. Remove whatever is causing the inflammation and the problem becomes manageable. Vit-D3 5k and 2k Vit-C a day helps, but isn't a cure all. Red Yeast Rice is a natural statin. If you are of the belief that you need something to keep your cholesterol under 200 ( I believe that 160 is dangerously low unless you have low HDL.) try it instead of the prescribed statin. Should be available anywhere now as many have switched and get good results without the side effects. My Dr told me about it years ago after I refused to take pharma's poison.
 

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Yeah, but the procedure leaves the patent with another bigger problem. So they will not perform the procedure now unless the patient signs off on it. But no cardio guy will talk about it, just dodge the question.


Get rid of the statins. People are so dense today because they (med whores) wont admit that a person's brain is made up of 2/3 rd's cholesterol, and when you lower the number below 180 you are endangering the patient. Most of the plaque buildup in the artery's is because the artery's are inflamed so the cholesterol sticks to the inflamed area. Remove whatever is causing the inflammation and the problem becomes manageable. Vit-D3 5k and 2k Vit-C a day helps, but isn't a cure all. Red Yeast Rice is a natural statin. If you are of the belief that you need something to keep your cholesterol under 200 ( I believe that 160 is dangerously low unless you have low HDL.) try it instead of the prescribed statin. Should be available anywhere now as many have switched and get good results without the side effects. My Dr told me about it years ago after I refused to take pharma's poison.
Post-op I learned a lot about the CVD Industry, namely that stents & open heart surgery saved many big hospitals from bankruptcy.... Now its a multi-billion $ specialized industry with many secrets.

Its an unbelievable growing epidemic. The patients are getting younger & younger all the time. OHS is no longer for the older crowd.

I'm kinda torn between the statins... figured I would strictly adhere to the Cardiologists instructions for at least one year then reassess my condition. I think most of the heart disease today could have, was & is preventable. Just wish I had been paying more attention to avoid the CABG. That was the first time in my life I have ever been hospitalized with a disease. Previously I've never been sick except for the flu, colds, etc., needless to say, the CABG caught me off-guard.
 

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Red yeast rice, it's called idli rice.

Idli, made of red rice, and urad dal soaked overnight, grounded and fermented overnight and cooked over in a special steamer.

Does kamboocha drink decrease the risk of heart attacks?
 

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https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...possibly-unnecessary/articleshow/57071863.cms

It's very important to have second opinion in a different institution if the situation permits.
And in some cases a third. I did before getting the heart ablation(s) done. It was a shame my body didn't get along with Warfin 99% of the people do. So they went in and killed the nerves that were out of control. I took that choice because there were no others, and I sure didn't want to be a stroke waiting to happen.

By killing those nerves it upset the balance of my heart pumping enough blood when needed. Example, I could walk at least 2 miles a day with nothing but my heart A-Fibbing in the end. Today 6 years later I can't walk 20 feet without the blood oxygen level dropping into the low 80's. This is something they didn't know when I had the procedure done as it was so new, and why it is now the last resort for treatment. Of course the lung cancer (that I hope we caught soon enough and radiated out, we will see in 6 months where we stand) doesn't help the breathing much.

Grew up in the poor section of town for the first 12 years in a bunch of toxic chemicals and a moldy house. So some of the problems I'm having today could be routed in that 1940's upbringing where they just dumped stuff on the ground not thinking that it would come back and haunt us later.
 

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And in some cases a third. I did before getting the heart ablation(s) done. It was a shame my body didn't get along with Warfin 99% of the people do. So they went in and killed the nerves that were out of control. I took that choice because there were no others, and I sure didn't want to be a stroke waiting to happen.

By killing those nerves it upset the balance of my heart pumping enough blood when needed. Example, I could walk at least 2 miles a day with nothing but my heart A-Fibbing in the end. Today 6 years later I can't walk 20 feet without the blood oxygen level dropping into the low 80's. This is something they didn't know when I had the procedure done as it was so new, and why it is now the last resort for treatment. Of course the lung cancer (that I hope we caught soon enough and radiated out, we will see in 6 months where we stand) doesn't help the breathing much.

Grew up in the poor section of town for the first 12 years in a bunch of toxic chemicals and a moldy house. So some of the problems I'm having today could be routed in that 1940's upbringing where they just dumped stuff on the ground not thinking that it would come back and haunt us later.
I smoked cigs & cigars for 48 yrs until I quit 3 days prior to my CABG. I spent 10 days post-op in the hospital due to breathing issues. I couldnt imagine being diagnosed with lung cancer... I loathed the constant mucus & chasing my breath post op. It's now 6 months post-op and most of my breathing problems have dissappeared excepting the occasional bout of mucus as my lungs continue to heal.

I'm hoping & wishing the best for you & your family during this trying time in your life....

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I loathed the constant mucus & chasing my breath post op. It's now 6 months post-op and most of my breathing problems have dissappeared excepting the occasional bout of mucus as my lungs continue to heal.

I'm hoping & wishing the best for you & your family during this trying time in your life..
That's the worse. I get on a hacking spell and my blood oxygen will drop to 80%, while on full time oxygen. Much further down and it's lights out. Scares the crap out of me, and anx sets in and things get worse..
 

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That's the worse. I get on a hacking spell and my blood oxygen will drop to 80%, while on full time oxygen. Much further down and it's lights out. Scares the crap out of me, and anx sets in and things get worse..
Yep, I know the feeling, indeed its very scary gasping for breath and receiving it at the last possible seconds. Its very prevalent in CABG patients as the CAD is usually scraped & cut off of the left lung, which causes a lot of trauma & breathing problems, especially for smokers.

Are you prescribed inhalers that work with your oxy? I received several treatments daily in the hospital to help with my breathing problems... Havent needed them since being released.

I know a guy 79 years old who has been diagnosed with COPD & Emphysema... he's on oxy full time & uses inhalers several times daily.... he smokes two packs of cigarellos a day. He looks like he's gonna die whenever he gets one of those coughing & hacking spells. He's hospitalized for about a week about ever 10 - 15 weeks. He refuses to quit smoking, says his goal is to die with a cigarello in his mouth... I believe him, as I've watched him go thru a 15 - 30 severe coughing & hacking spell then lite up a cigarello...

My experience with loss of breath & the mucous problems sold me on not smoking ever again.... I dont ever want to experience that again!

Man you have all of my respect & empathy for the disease your now enduring. Hopefully you'll beat it as soon as possible.... :)
 

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My wife has been a heart surgical nurse for over 30 years. What they can do now would have qualified as sci-fi when she began.

My wife just attended a class for implanting new pacemakers the size of a large capsule directly into the heart. No more leads to cause infections. Good for ten years. With up to four follow up replacement implants. Most likely they’ll shrink in size as time goes by.

Most of the new pacemakers and implantable defibrillators report to your smartphone and upload the data to your doctors.
I'll take one when it becomes a patch or better yet a tattooed circuit on the chest.
 

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I'll take one when it becomes a patch or better yet a tattooed circuit on the chest.
Funny you mention that. Ablations are basically laser burned tattoos on the heart to change and control the electrical paths. Give them time, they'll be there. My wife has been doing heart surgery nursing since we were dating in 1989. The stuff they do today was science fiction back then.
 

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Funny you mention that. Ablations are basically laser burned tattoos on the heart to change and control the electrical paths. Give them time, they'll be there. My wife has been doing heart surgery nursing since we were dating in 1989. The stuff they do today was science fiction back then.
They did mine with laser, but now they use CO2. They insert the balloon into the valve and then fill it with CO2. Much better idea than the laser where they only burn spots around the valve.
Give them time, they'll be there.
What do you mean? Time to work? or time to fail? It's been six+ years now.