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Can We Control the Weather?

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While this is an older article, I was drawn as much to the title as to the contents.

I don't think the question should be whether "we" can control the weather or not, but rather, do "they" control the weather?" It's obvious that "we" aren't involved in any decision making processes at all, as usual,... and if attempts are being made on weather modification and control, what exactly is being done to the air we're all breathing?

It's really pretty obvious that weather modification is ongoing and has been for quite a few years. Cloud seeding was occurring to my knowledge as far back as the 70's. Ski resort area's were using land based contraptions that would release silver in some form into the atmosphere.

Back in those days it was scoffed at as little more than junk science and wishful thinking.

The thing is though, it seems that this technology has grown huge, as in planetary... and now entire Governments are legislating and implementing new nano technologies through secret Military and Corporate collaborations.

These technologies can no longer be thought of as science fiction, fantasy, or foil hat wearing conspiracy goofiness, and I suspect that once fuller details are released, this "project" is going to make the "Manhattan project" seem minor in comparison.

I think the Military is looking at the newly evolving weather modification technologies as "weapons" and therefore contained under a veil of security.

At any rate, this is just a conversation, so please add whatever information or thoughts you care to.
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Can We Control the Weather?

By Rosalind Peterson - September 10, 2007

First published by www.newswithviews.com

http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/007/weather-peterson.htm

On August 5, 2007, a Discover Channel Program, “CAN WE CONTROL THE WEATHER?†was aired for the first time. It was an interesting program about hurricanes, scientific interest in controlling them, and also scientific interest in local and global control of the weather.

However, the underlying theme of the presentation was about ethics, politics, technology, scientific uncertainty, and morality. Part of the program was based upon a paper written in February 2002, by Dr. Ross N. Hoffman, “Controlling the Global Weather.â€

What are the risks and ethical considerations if scientists “play god†and try to control the weather? Who has oversight over their actions? Does the public have a right to know about these experiments and their environmental and human health implications?

Weather Modification may adversely impact agricultural crops and water supplies. If the weather is changed in one state or region of our country it may have severe consequences for other regions of our country. And who is going to decide the type of weather modification experimentation and who it will benefit or adversely affect? There are many ethical questions to be raised with regard to weather modification programs.

The Discovery Channel Program did not address:

1) The synergistic effects of current ongoing combined weather modification programs being undertaken in the United States by different entities (private, public and university). There are over 50 listed by NOAA that are currently ongoing at this time.

2) The program did not address studies that show hurricanes improve coral reef health or other benefits of the mixing of ocean waters produced by hurricanes.

3) This program did not comment on Dyn-O-Mat’s plans for hurricane control, or the results of these efforts, between 2005 and 2007. Popular Science (2005) also had written about a private company, Dyn-O-Mat, who planned to purchase jets to drop thousands of pounds of a water absorbing chemical powder ( Dyn-O-Gel which is alleged to be highly toxic), into hurricanes to absorb moisture to try dissipate hurricanes. (There are no agriculture oversight or public hearings to determine the consequences of this and other actions, or to monitor or prevent adverse impacts from this chemical once it falls from the air and lands on our soil, in drinking water supplies, and our oceans.)

4) This program did not address the known health effects that could arise if carbon black dust were released into the atmosphere.

5) The December 2005 Popular Science Magazine discussed a geoengineering plan to use an oil slick to stop hurricanes without noting the adverse environmental impacts of the oil used to cover the ocean and what would happen to marine life in the area.

6) The weather modification and climate change (NASA Studies), caused by persistent jet contrails that turn into man-made clouds and affect natural resources.

Below you will find a partial transcription from one important segment of the Discovery program with regard to controlling or steering hurricanes through the use of a fleet of jets leaving highly toxic, carbon black dust contrails: DISCOVERY CHANNEL PROGRAM - AUGUST 5, 2007

“CAN WE CONTROL THE WEATHER?†PARTIAL TRANSCRIPT

MIT PROFESSOR KERRY EMANUEL: “…The evolution of the weather is terribly sensitive to small disturbances."

Narrator: “Chaos Theory says that tiny disturbances in the atmosphere can trigger a chain of events that cause large scale changes somewhere else…Professor Emanuel thinks that introducing the right disturbance, or perturbation, could artificially create a weather system capable of deflecting a hurricane. It is something that he knows can happen quite naturally…"

Professor Emanuel: “So we actually know what kind of perturbations the atmosphere is most sensitive to right now. Then the next step, if you actually wanted to modify the weather, is to deliberately go out and manufacture such perturbations. It doesn’t have to be very big. One of the ideas that has been floated is to lay a contrail, with a bunch of jets, that’s deliberately black carbon to absorb sunlight."

Narrator: “In Emanuel’s scenario, as a hurricane heads for the East Coast of the U.S., a fleet of planes drops a huge swath of black carbon dust on the West Coast. The idea, to absorb the sun’s warmth, and in the process create a small, but significant, temperature change in the atmosphere.â€

Professor Emanuel: “The atmosphere would naturally amplify this temperature perturbation and, as it moves toward the east over the U.S., the system would cause a normal kind of weather system; a low pressure area. And three days later it begins to interact with our hurricane and steers the hurricane offshore so that it never hits land.†(Was there an experiment conducted in 2005 to test this hurricane theory?)

Professor Emanuel: “And all you are doing is exactly the same thing that happens anyway. You are just affecting the timing of it. You are not doing anything unnatural to the natural world.â€

Narrator: “Emanuel’s carbon trail (based on the paper written by Dr. Ross N. Hoffman in 2002), could have the potential to turn science fiction into scientific reality.â€

Narrator: “But manipulating the weather may come at a price. The ability to decide the path of a hurricane raises serious moral dilemmas…â€

END OF PARTIAL TRANSCRIPTION – DISCCOVERY CHANNEL PROGRAM

Many black contrails have been seen over the United States since the early 1990s. Are these black contrails composed of black carbon dust that is being used for weather modification experiments? Have scientists been conducting atmospheric perturbation experiments using highly toxic, carbon black dust particulates, other chemicals, experimental weather modification programs or atmospheric heating and testing programs?

It was revealed during the Discovery Channel program that NOAA and other agencies can’t pinpoint exactly where a hurricane will make landfall? A fleet of jets leaving contrails, across the United States, composed of Black Carbon Dust, could modify the weather across the U.S., causing unusual flooding or drought and disrupt agriculture micro-climates needed for crop production. No references were made to these problems during the Discovery program.

These black carbon dust particles are toxic atmospheric pollutants and could exacerbate asthma in children, increase respiratory health problems, and exacerbate global warming. And yet these problems and the toxicity of black carbon dust was never raised during this Discovery program. (Note the tape shown in the Discovery segment of the two jets that were leaving carbon black dust contrails. Each jet had four engines and yet only two black contrails were being left behind each jet. Jet fuel emissions also contain soot which is an air pollutant that causes human health degradation.)

Dr. Ross N. Hoffman, states in his paper, “Controlling The Global Weather:†“…Our goal is not to change the climate, but to control the precise timing and paths of weather systems…because of the intensive coupling of the weather over different regions of the globe, nothing short of control of the global weather should be considered. The nation that controls its own weather will necessarily control the weather of other nations…â€

What are the legal and ethical questions presented by controlling the weather or changing the weather in certain areas across the United States?

Dr. Hoffman envisions a “Global Weather Control System†(GWC), be put into place: “…governing the atmosphere…†and this end may be gained through examining many possibilities. Two of his examples are listed below:

1) “…Aircraft produce contrails. Contrails are essentially cirrus clouds that influence both the solar and thermal radiation (Peollot el al.1999). Slight variations in the timing, levels, and routes of aircraft would produce perturbations (Murcray 1970)."

2) “…Solar Powered Generators in geostationary orbit has been suggested as a low cost energy source…†(Microwaves) to initiate weather modification.

Dr. Hoffman suggests that the first order of priority for the GWC would be to control the path of hurricanes. He also states: “The concept of global weather control raises a host of sociological, ecological, and political issues…a thorough discussion of whether or not, and if so, to what extent and under what circumstances we actually do wish to control the weather?â€

Our military is also interested in global control of the weather. In 2004, The Science Channel, for a special television program titled, “Owing the Weather,†conducted an interview with J. Gregory Glenn, a Research Scientist at Elgin Air Force Base in Florida, where “…Air Force weapons researchers and nano particles specialists are conducting weather control experiments…â€

Also discussed: “Project Popeye:†“…Though they had denied it for more than seven years (until Seymour Hersh of the New York Times broke the story), the U.S. Military had been using weather modification as a weapon in Vietnam and Laos. Starting in 1966, the United States Air Force had made over 2,600 top-secret cloud seeding flights. Codenamed 'Project Popeye,' this clandestine operation attempted to turn key enemy transport roads to mud, rendering them impassable…As a result of the uproar over Project Popeye, on the 10th of December 1976, the United Nations passed General Assembly Resolution 3172. It explicitly banned the use of weather modification in warfare…†until now?

Other U.S. hurricane cloud seeding projects have also been classified, until years later, due to the devastating results of these experiments in the United States and other countries. And what are the foreign policy implications, legal issues, liability for crop losses, local political ramifications, liability for inducing droughts, floods, and other disasters, or increasing the intensity of normal weather patterns with regard to inducing man-made climate change in certain areas?

Discovery Channel Best Evidence Program (February 2007) Narrator: “…If chemicals like silver iodide dispensed from aircraft can make it snow in California (Wyoming, Texas, Colorado+), and rain on the wheat fields of Indiana, what is to stop atmospheric scientists from engineering the climate on a global scale?..†(Also note that weather modification companies have a financial investment in lobbying our elected representatives to promote experimental weather modification programs, and scuttle to all attempts at government or public oversight.)

The Discovery program also raised ethical and moral questions. Now it is time for public debate before we engage in more weather geoengineering schemes which have the potential to negatively affect human health, pollute our air and water, and disrupt the micro-climates needed for regional crop production and tree health. Technology is available to modify our weather now and is now being implemented in many states. The question remains: Who is protecting the public interest, our trees, agriculture crop production, and our air and water supplies from being polluted by the chemicals and particulates used in these programs?
 

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Weather Modification
Philip L. Hoag

Weather modification technology is in use today by both the United States and the Soviet Union. Both the U.S. and Soviet projects involve the manipulation of the ionosphere and the alteration of the earth’s magnetic fields. This technology seems to have both localized and global capabilities. Evidence indicates that this technology also has the capability of manipulating human behavior and mood patterns.

Nikola Tesla
All of this seemingly Star Trek-like technology originated from a Serbian immigrant named Nikola Tesla who came to the United States just before the turn of the century. This man, without question, proved to be the greatest scientific genius of this century. Tesla worked with both Westinghouse and Edison during the infancy of electricity and it was actually Tesla who developed alternating current.
Tesla also experimented with electromagnetic flux and studied the earth’s gravitational field. During his research he discovered that the ionization of the atmosphere would alter when it was charged by radio wave transmissions in the low frequency range of 10 to 80 hertz. Tesla also discovered that he could cause both positive and negative ionization of the atmosphere by manipulating the radio frequency. Further studies indicated that with positive ionization, people and animals became tired and lethargic and with negative ionization the effect was one of feeling active and energetic.
Another interesting aspect of this technology is the effect which harmonious radio frequencies make when they impact air molecules. The molecules become excited and give off negatively charged electrons which readily combine with hydrogen and oxygen to produce water molecules. But even more profound is the fact that this type of radio wave also carries positively charged ions through the ionosphere into the magnetosphere. The positively charged ions then become trapped in the Van Allen belts, traveling between the Aurora Borealis and the Aurora Australis, right where we coincidentally have holes in the ozone layers.
Freon, the ozone killer, by its nature dissipates quickly. This inherent quality is a contradiction to the concept that a concentration of freon is creating holes in the ozone layers at the North and South Poles. However, when radio waves hit already unstable freon precipitates, they are so reactive that they can not move on and dissipate into the magnetosphere.

As far-fetched as this subject may seem, leaders in the elite global establishment have intimated the existence of this technology and its capabilities. In 1970 Zbigniew Brzezinski published a book titled Between Two Ages. Brzezinski is one of the founding directors of the Trilateral Commission. In this book he said, "Technology will make available, to the leaders of major nations, techniques for conducting secret warfare, of which only a bare minimum of the security forces need be appraised…Technology of weather modification could be employed to produce prolonged periods of drought or storm."

Further confirmation of the Western power elite’s interest in weather modification was revealed in an article which appeared in the September 12, 1989 edition of the Washington Post. This article reported on the 1989 Tokyo conference on global environment. The president of the World Bank, Barber Conable, who is also a Trilateral Commission member, gave a speech in which he outlined the long-range goals of the one world elite. In this speech he said, "while higher temperatures may cause ‘a number of natural disasters,’ they might also warm cold and unproductive lands in the north into productivity."

There is very good evidence that the one world group and the Soviets have been jointly involved in weather modification over the Northern Hemisphere since the early 1970s. In 1971 it was alleged that the U.S. and the Soviets started cooperating in secret weather modification projects. One such project was named POLEX, Polar Experiment of the Global Atmospheric Research Program, and another in 1973 was called AIDJEX, the Arctic Ice Dynamics Joint Experiment. It is purported that these experiments involved attempts to melt the polar ice cap. Other U.S. projects such as Nile Blue and Climate Dynamics involved the changing of the arctic ice pack. There was even an article in the December 16, 1980, edition of the New York Times discussing a joint U.S.-Soviet project involving the transmission of ELF waves from Antarctica designed "to interfere with the earth’s magnetic field."

Soviet Woodpecker System
The Soviet weather modification project is referred to as the Woodpecker system. It involves the transmissions of extreme low frequency (ELF) waves at about 10 hertz using Tesla transmitters in Angarsk and Khabarovsk in Siberia, Gomel, Sakhalin Island, Nikolayev in the Ukraine, Riga in Latvia and also a site 60 miles south of Havana in Cuba. To give you an idea of the magnitude of this system, the facility near Havana, Cuba, is said to be maintained and operated by a staff of 2,500 Soviet personnel.
These transmitters generate electromagnetic transmissions that produce an ELF scalar grid over the United States. This is done by transmitting these low frequency scalar waves in pairs so that they converge at a predetermined point on the earth’s surface and cause a disruption of the atmosphere. This technology can be used to alter the course of the jet stream and set up long- term weather blocks.

Long-term Weather Blocking
The long-lasting California drought in the 80s was caused by a massive ridge of high pressure 800 miles off the California coast which hovered for extended periods of time, blocking the usual flow of moist air coming in from the Pacific and pushing storms around to the north. Meteorologists who have analyzed this phenomena consider it to be one of the most unusual national patterns ever recorded, unique in the annals of weather recording. Such long-lasting centers of high pressure were unheard of until 1977. Evidence suggests that this was possibly caused by Woodpecker generated giant standing ELF waves which are transmitted by the Soviets intentionally to block the flow of normal weather patterns.
This phenomenon of long-lasting centers of high pressure is not limited to producing drought. In 1993 the Midwest region experienced severe flooding which was a result of the wettest period in this particular area since rainfall record keeping began in 1876. This flood was a result again of what meteorologists called a blocking pattern.
The normal weather systems usually move from west to east across the U.S., but during the ’93 flood the weather systems stalled for six weeks over the upper Midwest. A high pressure system over the eastern part of the United States was causing warm, moist air to move up from the Gulf of Mexico and dump moisture in the Midwest, where it met the jet stream. This weather pattern involved an unusual shift in the jet stream, which during the summer is usually weak and typically found much farther north in Canada.
This stationary high pressure front also blocked the path of cold Canadian air, resulting in record low temperatures in the Northwest. According to the September 1993 issue of Storm, The World Weather Magazine:
"It is extremely unusual for weather patterns to persist for so many weeks, bringing heavy rainfall to the same area almost on a daily basis… The reasons for the weather patterns to become fixed, as they did in June and July, 1993, are unclear."

GWEN
A system somewhat similar to the Soviet Woodpecker has been set up in the United States called the Ground Wave Emergency Network, or GWEN. This network was built under the guise, or possible dual use, of an emergency communication system that would not be interrupted by electromagnetic pulse during a nuclear war.
GWEN units are capable of altering the magnetic field within a 200- to 250-mile radius. The individual units themselves are made up of 300-foot tall towers which transmit radio waves through hundreds of bare copper wires which are each 300 feet in length. These wires are buried in the ground in a spoke pattern radiating out from the base of the tower. The wires interact with the earth like a thin-shelled conductor, radiating the radio wave energy for very long distances through the ground.
These units are located in Texas, Nevada, Maine, North Carolina, Maryland, Georgia, Oregon, Washington, California, Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Missouri, North Dakota, South Dakota, Pennsylvania, Mississippi, New York, Alabama, Virginia, Kansas, Nebraska, New Jersey, Arkansas, Massachusetts, Oklahoma, Colorado and Montana.
There is fairly significant evidence to suggest that these GWEN units in combination with the Soviet Woodpecker transmissions made a significant contribution to creating the extensive flooding in the Midwest in 1993.

It is interesting to note that the Russians are now openly marketing a small version of their weather engineering system called Elate, which can fine tune weather patterns over a 200-mile area. These units seem to have the same range as the individual GWEN unit. One of these Elate units operates at Moscow’s Bykovo Airport.

The threats of weather warfare, totalitarian government and famine dovetail together. As we saw in the famine which the Soviets artificially created in the Ukraine prior to World War II, famine is an effective means of subjugating a people. By controlling food, you can control people. Weather modification can affect food production and eventually the available supply. Starving resisters out is much more effective than having to track them down and shoot it out with them. If you have not surrendered your weapons, you don’t get a food ration coupon. Long-term food storage, well hidden, is the only insulation against famine and totalitarian oppression.

Tesla-Scalar Electromagnetic Weapons
An article in the spring 1993 edition of Orbis Magazine reported on another article which had appeared in the 1992 edition of a Russian magazine called Military Thought. This article, among other things, revealed Soviet involvement in the development of Tesla-scalar electromagnetic weapons: "…The current civil-military consensus also includes an image of future war based on the development and deployment of advanced conventional munitions, direct-energy weapons, space-based strike weapons and anti-ballistic missiles, and third-generation nuclear weapons."
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Control the weather? We can't even predict it.

We do have a few successes, in a general way. In every war it is noticed that there is a lot of mud. That is because gunpowder is uniquely qualified to bind with humidity and cause increased rainfall. The same effect is noticed downwind from steel mills and other industries. And of course we have the experiments seeding clouds with silver iodide.

The biggest thing that might come out of theorizing about the radiation belts is that scientists might eventually be forced to realize that those are electric currents, not radiation, and not belts.
 

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Control the weather? We can't even predict it.
We? It's already been shown many times over that weather manipulation occurs. This isn't to say there are no unanticipated repercussions involved in mucking with natural weather patterns.

Be assured though... the Military, Universities and subsidiary private Corporations are busy spending mega $$$ researching and developing weather control technologies.

WEATHER AS A FORCE MULTIPLIER: OWNING THE WEATHER IN 2025
MILITARY APPLICATIONS OF WEATHER

http://csat.au.af.mil/2025/index.htm

As I suggested previously, this project is likely to be as secretive as the Manhattan Project was.

I think we exist in a state of perpetual war, basically under Marshal Law where the Commander in Chief signs statements into policy... both public statements and secret statements.
 

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Jesse Ventura did a show on this topic. Go to YouTube and do a search for Jesse Ventura Conspiracy Theory HARP. Interesting show that describes how this facility in Alaska could possibly be used for weather control.
 

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Well, maybe skyvike will stop in and share some expertise on the subject.

In the mean time, here's a less frightening angle on weather modification. This video offers interesting solutions for global warming and has some sail boat? rigs that are amazing.

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In the mean time, here's a less frightening angle on weather modification. This video offers interesting solutions for global warming and has some sail boat? rigs that are amazing.
Please explain what you mean by global warming...and then offer hard evidence and science to back this theoretical phenomenon up.
 

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A google search on "weather modification" will give you more information than my small brain could provide.

;-)
 

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Hey, what happened to YukonCornelius? Banned? Oh, wait... never mind. My mistake. ;-) Yes, I understand.... Yes., I will "google"... thank you....

:vollkommenauf: Forgive me Herr Skyvike, for troubling you. :bear_blink:
 

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Hey, what happened to YukonCornelius? Banned?
"therealyukonconrelius" was actually a poser formerly known on GIM as "StackerKen"...and he was here to troll.

I know you know what I mean.
 

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"therealyukonconrelius" was actually a poser formerly known on GIM as "StackerKen"...and he was here to troll.

I know you know what I mean.
Are you sure about that?

I happen to Absolutely know for a fact that it was not Stackerken

Is that why therealyukonconrelius was Banned and his post was edited?
If so, then he should be Unbanned

Man, when is the ban hammer gonna let up around here?
 

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therealyukonconrelius was banned by a mod because he published personal information about another member.

It was not inadvertent. It was intentional.

He's not going to be "unbanned" no matter whose sock puppet he is.

I don't know what you mean by the "ban hammer" - this site is pretty tolerant if you ask me.
 

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Are you sure about that?

I happen to Absolutely know for a fact that it was not Stackerken

Is that why therealyukonconrelius was Banned and his post was edited?
If so, then he should be Unbanned

Man, when is the ban hammer gonna let up around here?
No, I'm not sure. You would probably know better than me and that's fine. I really don't care.

What I do know is that it really doesn't make one bit of difference who therealyukon.. is or who the real stackerken, or anyone else is. What I don't know is why those guys created a forum that seems to be focused on harping GIM and bashing this new place, yet those same guys keep coming here and doing stupid stuff, including harrassing members here and violating various rules.

The rules aren't too difficult to understand. It's common sense stuff. Why would you post personal information about somebody? It's disrespectful. Would you want me posting your personal information? I don't think so...
 

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Skyvike; Thats fair. I agree that if a person breaks rules there should be consequences.


Juristic Person; I know Stackerken. I think he was treated unfairly here.
And he feels hurt by the injustice.

ETA; But I digress. I know I'm off topic and will quit now
 
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during katrina I remember seeing red laser type lines on the either the radar or the infrared satellite loop on television... basically the same as these lines that were taken from ophelia. The ones in Katrina were shooting in from the west somewhere in the gulf of mexico. No doubt they are experimenting and not telling us about it...

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t300/Southpaw1020/Ophelia-loop-gifsBy12hr_21small-753.gif



I found this snippet from an article kind of funny:

"But the hurricane modifiers are fighting more than the weather. Lawyers warn that diverting a hurricane from one city to save life and property could result in multi-billion dollar lawsuits from towns that bear the brunt instead. Hurricane Katrina caused about $41 billion in damage to New Orleans. "
 
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