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the gulf of mexico caravan was running today -- is that their work i see in the middle of the gulf?
 

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the gulf of mexico caravan was running today -- is that their work i see in the middle of the gulf?
Did you ever try id'ing those planes? You did ask for a link to a flight tracker and one was provided. All ya gotta do is see a plane in the sky and take note of it's direction of travel and compare to what you see on the tracker at your location.
It doesn't take much time to learn how. Then you can see what those planes are and where they are going.

My guess would be Mexico's Yucatan peninsula. Millions of people fly there every year. Takes lots of planes to haul 'em all there.
....and every one of them would be seen as heading out over the gulf.

Or is it easier to just speculate it being something nefarious?
 

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all white twin engine, every 3 to 5 minutes. your suppositions dont begin to match the situation

look at all of those tails in the gulf -- not unlikely it is the caravan's work
 

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all white twin engine, every 3 to 5 minutes. your suppositions dont begin to match the situation

look at all of those tails in the gulf -- not unlikely it is the caravan's work
Your supposition is better?

What I'm suggesting is to truly do a bit of investigative research into the matter.
....or is even asking for minimal effort on your part simply too much to ask for?

Remember, you asked for a flight tracker. If you had zero intention of using it, why ask for one in the first place.
At thanksgiving dinner, do ask people at the table to take the time to pass stuff around to you, to then not take any of it once it's handed to you?
 

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I mentioned before that temperature isn't the only factor. Dry air aloft will inhibit the formation of contrails...if there is a persistent high pressure aloft (as has been over the mountain states for a while now) you won't see contrails because the air is sinking and adiabatically warming as it descends.
Correction...you won't always see them. There are things known as "dirty ridges" where large amounts of moisture ride up over the top of the ridge.
 

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Zero visible NW Ohio today at 11 AM.
 

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no gulf of mex caravan today, no old trails/hazy mess drifting onshore over my head -- not a single sprayer seen during my routine outdoor workout

a good day
 

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no gulf of mex caravan today, no old trails/hazy mess drifting onshore over my head -- not a single sprayer seen during my routine outdoor workout

a good day
That agrees with the sounding data for your area. Temps at that altitude were not cold enough to support trail development today.
Only -27F @35,000'
 

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ya, it's the weather. the weather makes the white jets show up and spray

lol
You just didn't notice them because they weren't leaving contrails today.
Or are you trying to say there were no flights at all anywhere around your area?

Did you look at the flight tracker to see how many flights flew over your area today?
 

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ya, it's the weather. the weather makes the white jets show up and spray

lol
If they are flying at 35K feet, most airliners will look like those "white jets"...you won't be able to resolve any markings at that distance with the naked eye. Probably why most people think there are fleets of these jets spraying in patterns when it's probably nothing more than normal air traffic flying criss cross across the sky according to ATC maps.
 

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If they are flying at 35K feet, most airliners will look like those "white jets"...you won't be able to resolve any markings at that distance with the naked eye. Probably why most people think there are fleets of these jets spraying in patterns when it's probably nothing more than normal air traffic flying criss cross across the sky according to ATC maps.
the caravan flies lower as they travel out to the gulf. the color is easily identified. can also hear them. they are higher than the landing planes going to the houston airports, but lower than where they normally spray - and WELL below normal high alt cruising for air buses
 
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You just didn't notice them because they weren't leaving contrails today.
Or are you trying to say there were no flights at all anywhere around your area?

Did you look at the flight tracker to see how many flights flew over your area today?
exactly wrong

the caravan doesnt spray while they are traveling to their target spray zone. they are low enough where i can hear them and see them clearly
 

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the caravan flies lower as they travel out to the gulf. the color is easily identified
Again, have you used the flight tracker that you explicitly asked for?
anyone have a flight tracker that might show it?
Why ask for one if you are afraid to use it?
Are you interested in finding out the truth, or just wanting to speculate based on incomplete data?


either the all-white twin engine jets show up and spray, or they don't.

that is the only variable

every one that i've seen (thousands) look exactly the same -- all white, twin engine, air bus size.
First you say they either show up AND spray and then you claim that the caravan ism't spraying over you. Which is it?

exactly wrong

the caravan doesnt spray while they are traveling to their target spray zone. they are low enough where i can hear them and see them clearly
Sounds like your story changes to fit whatever you need it to be at the time in order for it to fit your wild specultions
 

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That agrees with the sounding data for your area. Temps at that altitude were not cold enough to support trail development today.
Only -27F @35,000'

Those photos I posted were on Monday...

Well on Tuesday , the sky was clear..

I need to learn what was different from Monday to Tuesday because there were planes flying the same patterns both days......Denver international airport is not to far from me so I see a lot of planes everyday..

What was different at 350000 feet , cooler air , hotter air , low or high pressure , what am I looking for that would be an obvious sign of trails vs no trails?....

Here we are this morning , beautiful day , and I know there are several airplanes up there , after all , isn’t Denver the busiest airport in the world?...

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they are low enough where i can hear them and see them clearly
Pics please. If they are low enough to easily see with the naked eye, they're low enough for a cell phone pic.

Pics or didn't happen.
Edited to add: for clarification, I'm asking for a pic of the caravan of planes you keep referring to.
...and by caravan, you do mean a group of two engine, all white planes flying in close formation,, correct?
Or define the word caravan to describe to us exactly what you mean.
After all, you won't take anyone elses word alone, so why should anyone else accept yours at face value?
Pics of a caravan, or we can assume there is no caravan.
 
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What was different at 350000 feet , cooler air , hotter air , low or high pressure , what am I looking for that would be an obvious sign of trails vs no trails?...
Check the sounding data for your area. See if it is cold enough aloft to support contrail development. Use a flight tracker to try to id flights you see. It might take a bit of practice to learn how, as some trackers seem to use a delay of a few minutes.
...but if you give an honest effort, you should be able to figure it out. The ones I've used let you click on the plane and it shows type of plane and will show a line depicting the route it's flown.
 

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Denver international airport is not to far from me so I see a lot of planes everyday.
Are you far enough away that the planes would already be at 35,000+ by the time you see them?

Or are the ones you see leaving trails actually coming from further away and are merely passing over your area on the way to their destinations?
 

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Are you far enough away that the planes would already be at 35,000+ by the time you see them?

Or are the ones you see leaving trails actually coming from further away and are merely passing over your area on the way to their destinations?

Good question......

We are about 140 miles south southeast so I don’t know how fast a jet can get to 35k but I suppose being this close that we get the full spectrum of flights , different altitudes , various destinations , military and commercial jets , choppers , fighter jets , and a huge drone that is usually escorted by a couple fighter jets playing tag...
 

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Good question......

We are about 140 miles south southeast so I don’t know how fast a jet can get to 35k
A flight tracker will answer that question.


but I suppose being this close that we get the full spectrum of flights , different altitudes , various destinations , military and commercial jets , choppers , fighter jets , and a huge drone that is usually escorted by a couple fighter jets playing tag...
Fighter jets and other military planes probably won't show on any flight tracker you or I can use, but it'll let you id commercial and civilian flights.
Ie: you'll still be able to tell quite a lot about what you see in the sky around you.
 

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the flight tracker is for you guys. i'm watching it in person.

about to go for my workout -- will report back on if the the caravan-to-the-gulf is running today
 

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no gulf of mex caravan today, no old trails/hazy mess drifting onshore over my head -- not a single sprayer seen during my routine outdoor workout

a good day
thought i had another zero day going like above quote....but no

0928-0937 zero sprayers

0938 first one crossed over me

1023 stopped workout

0938 to 1023 -- 9 sprayers crossed over me to gulf
 

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the flight tracker is for you guys. i'm watching it in person.
How are we supposed to track fllights that you see?

The whole point is for you to see a plane and then be able to id that plane, so that YOU can find out what that plane is and where it is going.
....but apparently you find it easier to support your assumptions by not having actual data about what you are seeing.




first match on google image search -- showing lines dead center of gulf
Looks to me like all those "lines" are just from plannes flying to Yucatan.
 

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0928-0937 zero sprayers

0938 first one crossed over me

1023 stopped workout

0938 to 1023 -- 9 sprayers crossed over me to gulf
Seeing as you are apparently incapable of pulling up a web page and clicking on planes shown to be over your area, can we at least get a pic of the nine plane caravan?

Because why should anyone just take your word for it as proof of chemtrails? You won't accept anything anyone else says, so unless you have pics, there is no such thing as a caravan of white twin engine jets and you are just making stuff up in order to support your baseless assertions.

Pics, or it didn't happen.
 

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Check the sounding data for your area. See if it is cold enough aloft to support contrail development. Use a flight tracker to try to id flights you see. It might take a bit of practice to learn how, as some trackers seem to use a delay of a few minutes.
...but if you give an honest effort, you should be able to figure it out. The ones I've used let you click on the plane and it shows type of plane and will show a line depicting the route it's flown.
There's more to contrails than simply temperature. You need a 4F or less spread between the dewpoint and the temperature. If the temp is -100 but the dewpoint is -120, there won't be any contrails.
 

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Those photos I posted were on Monday...

Well on Tuesday , the sky was clear..

I need to learn what was different from Monday to Tuesday because there were planes flying the same patterns both days......Denver international airport is not to far from me so I see a lot of planes everyday..

What was different at 350000 feet , cooler air , hotter air , low or high pressure , what am I looking for that would be an obvious sign of trails vs no trails?....

Here we are this morning , beautiful day , and I know there are several airplanes up there , after all , isn’t Denver the busiest airport in the world?...

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Today over CO, it looks like dry air over moist air...this creates unstable conditions and is a great trigger for thunderstorms. You might not see contrails, but you'll probably see thunderstorms....

BTW, have I ever said that meteorology is complicated?

Here is a satellite image of CONUS...when you click the link, it should update to the most current image.

https://weather.cod.edu/satrad/?par...ass-24-0-100-1&checked=map&colorbar=undefined
 

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No more often than they get it right it must be!
Mostly because of the advances in short-ranged computer modelling. The HRRR is a high resolution model that is updated every hour. It's pretty good, but only goes out to 15 hours.
 

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lines, lots of lines.....the caravan's work? this from last month
Post a pic of the caravan. You say they are plainly visible and that you see them all the time. If so, it would be easy for you to take a pic of the caravan and post it here.



Image taken by the Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectroradiometer (MODIS) instrument on NASA's Aqua satellite on 15th March 2008.
That"s water vapor in that pic.

Aqua, Latin for water, is a NASA Earth Science satellite mission named for the large amount of information that the mission is collecting about the Earth's water cycle, including evaporation from the oceans,
 
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There's more to contrails than simply temperature. You need a 4F or less spread between the dewpoint and the temperature. If the temp is -100 but the dewpoint is -120, there won't be any contrails.
You are correct. I'm just trying to get people to start looking at actual data, as opposed to engaging in pure speculation about something they see, but obviously do not fully understand.
 

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observed from 0915 until 0953

no caravan during that time period -- zero spotted. not unlikely that i was there before the party started
 

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I've seen about the same amount of persistent contrails as always.

You guys do realize that there is no such thing as "chemtrails", right?
Why? For the simple fact that it is impossible for any plane to carry the amount of stuff that would be necessary to create thick cloud-like trails all the way across the sky.
The only way it would be possible to spray chemicals for that kind of distance, would be if it were being sprayed very thinly.
....but if that were the case, you would have never been able to see it from so many miles away. At least 6 miles when viewed directly overhead, and possibly as much as 100 miles when seen closer to the horizon.
Do you guys realize just how big something needs to be to be clearly visible at such distances? Pretty big.
It's spray. Have you ever seen a spray rig start up and the end of the nozzle is plugged to slightly plugged? And the spray does not come out evening till it clears? You get a big splooge at the start? Engines and atmospheric conditions will never cause that but a spay rig will. I know you have never seen this but one day a jet turned it on and I caught what I just described in the sky and it was from the jet flying. BUSTED. I got a pic but on a on a bumb phone.
 
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