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Sadly those in healthcare can seldom think for themselves and only follow what they are told to do, just like the rest of the sheep.

Ever go to the dentist? Get an expat by them? They put that big lead thing over your chest.. I always ask "Whats that for?" They always say "to protect your organs" .... To which I reply, "your pointing that thing at my head. What about my brain?"
And thats when they go silent.... :laughing:
My dad got teeth x-rays back in the 1930's as a kid... No protection at all and high dosages (later blamed his cataracts & detached retinas for that). They also x-rayed his feet for the proper shoe-size at the shoe store...
Our "scientists" and "specialists" are ALWAYS overconfident in "their current knowledge"...
 

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MS is freaking out at collapse blog,
Stating the response has been lacking

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The U.S. Response To This Coronavirus Outbreak Has Been Horrifyingly Bad
March 10, 2020 by Michael Snyder

What recourse do we have when our public health officials completely and utterly fail us? I don’t know if we could have prevented COVID-19 from spreading widely in the United States even if everything had been done perfectly, but the truth is that we will never know. When this outbreak first started, visitors from the affected areas were allowed to fly into the United States without being properly screened, and as you will see below this is still happening in many instances. And once the virus started spreading on U.S. soil, we needed to immediately test any suspected cases so that we could isolate them as rapidly as possible. But even though South Korea has managed to test more than 140,000 of their citizens, less than 9,000 Americans have been tested so far…

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/...oronavirus-outbreak-has-been-horrifyingly-bad
 

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Those masks won’t protect you from this virus.
Got an email from a business associate in China. He emphasized that the purpose of the mask is to keep you from touching your mouth and nose.
 

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MS is freaking out at collapse blog,
Stating the response has been lacking

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The U.S. Response To This Coronavirus Outbreak Has Been Horrifyingly Bad
March 10, 2020 by Michael Snyder

What recourse do we have when our public health officials completely and utterly fail us? I don’t know if we could have prevented COVID-19 from spreading widely in the United States even if everything had been done perfectly, but the truth is that we will never know. When this outbreak first started, visitors from the affected areas were allowed to fly into the United States without being properly screened, and as you will see below this is still happening in many instances. And once the virus started spreading on U.S. soil, we needed to immediately test any suspected cases so that we could isolate them as rapidly as possible. But even though South Korea has managed to test more than 140,000 of their citizens, less than 9,000 Americans have been tested so far…

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/...oronavirus-outbreak-has-been-horrifyingly-bad
I don't trust the MSM so not sure how I can take the beer hype seriously. I see a lot of people on social media saying the same thing.
Worst case is we have 1/2 a million dead in 6 months before this fizzles out. Out of 7 billion people thats barely newsworthy.
 

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Disney World and parks in Oville ( Sea World still open ) closed after this Sunday,
Think I heard to the end of March.
Only 911 and couple of direct hurricane roll overs have ever done that.
Bring on some hysteria.
 

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Case fatality rate is calculated by dividing the number of deaths from a specified disease over a defined period of time by the number of individuals diagnosed with the disease during that time; the resulting ratio is then multiplied by 100 to yield a percentage.

Case fatality rates are not constant; they can vary between populations and over time, depending on the interplay between the causative agent of disease, the host, and the environment as well as available treatments and quality of patient care.
source: https://www.britannica.com/science/case-fatality-rate


The rate will change as time passes. The actual rate will not be known until the crisis is over. This is a snapshot of the situation thus far:
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They also x-rayed his feet for the proper shoe-size at the shoe store...
They were just phasing them out of shoe stores when I was a kids. I remember seeing salesmen using them on customers to show how their foot looked inside the shoe(s).
 

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I don't trust the MSM so not sure how I can take the beer hype seriously. I see a lot of people on social media saying the same thing.
Worst case is we have 1/2 a million dead in 6 months before this fizzles out. Out of 7 billion people thats barely newsworthy.
I am convinced this is a Leftists / Euro-Socialists / DS plot to try to sabotage the world economies long enough in hopes Trump is voted out of Office, and they can establish their New World of Socialism & Dictators Order.
EU is still pro-Open Borders with just a few rebel nations fighting that established, non-elected, controlling government.
 

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They just announced all public hgathings over 100 people are canceled or forbidden. Exceptions being work, grocery stores and restaurants.. I fell so much safer already.
Why are some States making that number 100, others have that number at 250 while NY chose 500...is the virus THAT smart?
 

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Not much information in that short clip but based on whats there I must object as well. Do we really need to federal government stepping in and telling healthcare providers they should wear a mask or be purchasing them for them when they are paid extremely well in most cases and hospitals surely can afford masks. If they can afford to treat welfare recipients and illegals for free I am pretty sure they can afford 10 bucks for a box of masks.
 

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1701 cases
40 deaths.
Unknown number of "recovered".
Supposedly a 2.4% death rate.

It is not accurate to divide 40 into 1701 to get the death rate %. Why? Because it assumes the other 1661 cases (1701 - 40) will all have a positive outcome.

A better method is to divide the number of deaths by the number of recovered...still not precise - because there are probably cases that are not being counted...but - a far more honest estimation.
 

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Not much information in that short clip but based on whats there I must object as well. Do we really need to federal government stepping in and telling healthcare providers they should wear a mask or be purchasing them for them when they are paid extremely well in most cases and hospitals surely can afford masks. If they can afford to treat welfare recipients and illegals for free I am pretty sure they can afford 10 bucks for a box of masks.
Government intervention has killed more people than it's helped. DC rats, please stop trying to help us!
 

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1701 cases
40 deaths.
Unknown number of "recovered".
Supposedly a 2.4% death rate.

It is not accurate to divide 40 into 1701 to get the death rate %. Why? Because it assumes the other 1661 cases (1701 - 40) will all have a positive outcome.

A better method is to divide the number of deaths by the number of recovered...still not precise - because there are probably cases that are not being counted...but - a far more honest estimation.
Still not an accurate view. Check out unseen1's post (20 tweets):


I am dividing the deaths by the number of cases and I refuse to freak out until I see the percentage spiral upward.

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Here's the thread reader app's format if wanted:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1238341288543600640.html
 
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Still not an accurate view. Check out unseen1's post (20 tweets):


I am dividing the deaths by the number of cases and I refuse to freak out until I see the percentage spiral upward.

View attachment 157323

Here's the thread reader app's format if wanted:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1238341288543600640.html
You are missing my point. Because the vast majority of the “unresolved” cases don’t yet have an outcome...to assume they will all make it while deriving you’re death rate is...optimistic.
 

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You are missing my point. Because the vast majority of the “unresolved” cases don’t yet have an outcome...to assume they will all make it while deriving you’re death rate is...optimistic.
I understood what you said. Others have said it already.
 

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Why are some States making that number 100, others have that number at 250 while NY chose 500...is the virus THAT smart?
It's very smart. Already spread itself around the planet. :).
So far this season according to the CDC website, between 20k and 50k deaths from influenza in the US . No freaking out and barely a whisper by the MSM.
Obviously just have to wait and see but this just feels like a hoax to me.
 

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They were just phasing them out of shoe stores when I was a kids. I remember seeing salesmen using them on customers to show how their foot looked inside the shoe(s).
I'm Buster Brown. I live in a shoe. That's my dog, Tye. He lives there too!

I watched my six-year old feeties in the x-ray thingy. It was kewl.

Ya can't blame science -- blame Mad Avenue types that buy shit and mis-use it. That was an advertising gimmick that was put out there forty years after dosage cautions were recommended. (And ignored by SALESMEN.)
 

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New York City Subway Service Could Be Reduced Under Coronavirus
Ridership sank roughly 20% on Wednesday; system could implement Sunday schedule
https://www.wsj.com/articles/mta-sa...ice-is-possible-under-coronavirus-11584033258

OK! Let's reduce the service so that the riders are packed into subway cars just like a regular rush hour so the virus has less of an air gap to jump from person to person.

Bad enough the living cesspools often referred to as the homeless have all but reclaimed the transit system before this pandemic but let's just force everyone to cram in with them and undo all the good those people who can work from home are doing.

:thumbs down:
 

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So far this season according to the CDC website, between 20k and 50k deaths from influenza in the US . No freaking out and barely a whisper by the MSM.
That means approx 45million people have had regflu so far this year.

At the current rate of death, if 45 million people contract wuflu, it'll mean 3.25 million dead.
 

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It's very smart. Already spread itself around the planet. :).
So far this season according to the CDC website, between 20k and 50k deaths from influenza in the US . No freaking out and barely a whisper by the MSM.
Obviously just have to wait and see but this just feels like a hoax to me.
The WHO says most people recover.

Can't link article from my phone.
 

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This just brilliant! Not!

New York City Subway Service Could Be Reduced Under Coronavirus
Ridership sank roughly 20% on Wednesday; system could implement Sunday schedule
https://www.wsj.com/articles/mta-sa...ice-is-possible-under-coronavirus-11584033258

OK! Let's reduce the service so that the riders are packed into subway cars just like a regular rush hour so the virus has less of an air gap to jump from person to person.

Bad enough the living cesspools often referred to as the homeless have all but reclaimed the transit system before this pandemic but let's just force everyone to cram in with them and undo all the good those people who can work from home are doing.

:thumbs down:
Ridership is way down and has been for a week or more.
 

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https://qz.com/1816060/a-chart-of-the-1918-spanish-flu-shows-why-social-distancing-works/

TALE OF TWO CITIES
This chart of the 1918 Spanish flu shows why social distancing works
March 11, 2020



In 1918, the city of Philadelphia threw a parade that killed thousands of people. Ignoring warnings of influenza among soldiers preparing for World War I, the march to support the war effort drew 200,000 people who crammed together to watch the procession. Three days later, every bed in Philadelphia’s 31 hospitals was filled with sick and dying patients, infected by the Spanish flu.
By the end of the week, more than 4,500 were dead in an outbreak that would claim as many as 100 million people worldwide. By the time Philadelphia’s politicians closed down the city, it was too late.



A different story played out in St. Louis, just 900 miles away. Within two days of detecting its first cases among civilians, the city closed schools, playgrounds, libraries, courtrooms, and even churches. Work shifts were staggered and streetcar ridership was strictly limited. Public gatherings of more than 20 people were banned.
The extreme measures—now known as social distancing, which is being called for by global health agencies to mitigate the spread of the novel coronavirus—kept per capita flu-related deaths in St. Louis to less than half of those in Philadelphia, according to a 2007 paper in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

The concept of “flattening the curve” is now a textbook public health response to epidemics, including the spread of Covid-19. Once a virus can no longer be contained, the goal is to slow its spread. Exponential growth in infections leaves health care systems struggling to handle the surge. But with fewer people sick at once (and overall), services aren’t overwhelmed and deaths diminish. This buys time for doctors to treat the flood of patients and researchers to develop vaccines and antiviral therapies.

But it wasn’t always this way, says Richard Hatchett, a physician and head of the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations in London, who co-authored the 2007 paper. Social distancing interventions were not always trusted, he wrote in an email; they were widely ignored during flu pandemics in 1957 and 1968. But in the 2000s, several papers including Hatchett’s reanalyzed Spanish flu data to show the efficacy of distancing measures—and the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention later incorporated them into their outbreak guidance.

The key to effective social distancing, though, is timing.

“I think the critical lesson from both the modeling and the historical work is that the benefits of multiple interventions are greatest if they are introduced early (before 1% of the population is infected) and maintained,” wrote Hatchett, who has also directed medical preparedness in the Obama White House. Distancing measures are less effective once more people have contracted the virus, especially in cases where the vast majority of people are not sick enough to need medical attention.

This outbreak is one of those cases. Only 19% of confirmed cases of Covid-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus, become severely or critically ill, reports the CDC. Those with mild symptoms (or none at all) may easily pass the virus on to vulnerable people, particularly those who are older or have pre-existing health conditions. “You can compare the outcomes in Hong Kong, Singapore, and Taiwan, which used such interventions aggressively from the very start, with what happened in Wuhan and what is happening now in Iran and Italy,” wrote Hatchett. “There is no reason to expect the virus to behave differently in Europe and the US than it has in Asia.”

China and Italy may have waited too long; both were forced to take drastic steps weeks after the first cases were discovered. China’s government locked down nearly 60 million people in Hubei province while restricting travel for hundreds of millions of others. Now Italy is banning public gatherings and imposing travel restrictions for 60 million citizens, a first for a modern democracy.

In the US, these restrictions are just beginning. New York state has closed large gathering spaces and deployed National Guard to disinfect buildings and deliver food in a “containment zone” in New Rochelle just north of New York City.

But social distancing doesn’t have to be draconian. South Korea has adopted a modern version of the St. Louis model; the country never locked its citizens down or quarantined entire cities, but has still managed to slow the spread of the new coronavirus. In recent days, new infections have leveled off thanks in part to thousands of free daily tests and a coordinated government effort that closed schools, canceled public events, and supported flexible working arrangements. “Without harming the principle of a transparent and open society,” South Korea’s Vice Health Minister Kim Gang-lip told journalists in the South China Morning Post, “we recommend a response system that blends voluntary public participation with creative applications of advanced technology.”
 

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Not much information in that short clip but based on whats there I must object as well. Do we really need to federal government stepping in and telling healthcare providers they should wear a mask or be purchasing them for them when they are paid extremely well in most cases and hospitals surely can afford masks. If they can afford to treat welfare recipients and illegals for free I am pretty sure they can afford 10 bucks for a box of masks.
I get where your going with this Cig, but the paid health care workers are not what this bill was aimed at.

In the U.S. 70-80% of our Firefighters/EMT's are volunteers. Large to Medium Cities have paid Fire Departments but the rest of rural American does not. Even so, large Cities have volunteer departments on the outskirts to help with the overburden.

Right now most of those volunteer agencies have burned through there small limited stock of Personal Protective Equipment (masks, gowns and Eye Protection) going on "false" calls. Many of those smaller agencies have a limited budget and there personal will have to go with out if the supply is low or even out like it is now.

The number of "false" and real calls will only sky rocket in the coming days and our Congress sits on their collective hands and does nothing of real importance.
 

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https://qz.com/1816060/a-chart-of-the-1918-spanish-flu-shows-why-social-distancing-works/

TALE OF TWO CITIES
This chart of the 1918 Spanish flu shows why social distancing works
March 11, 2020



In 1918, the city of Philadelphia threw a parade that killed thousands of people. Ignoring warnings of influenza among soldiers preparing for World War I, the march to support the war effort drew 200,000 people who crammed together to watch the procession. Three days later, every bed in Philadelphia’s 31 hospitals was filled with sick and dying patients, infected by the Spanish flu.
By the end of the week, more than 4,500 were dead in an outbreak that would claim as many as 100 million people worldwide. By the time Philadelphia’s politicians closed down the city, it was too late.



A different story played out in St. Louis, just 900 miles away. Within two days of detecting its first cases among civilians, the city closed schools, playgrounds, libraries, courtrooms, and even churches. Work shifts were staggered and streetcar ridership was strictly limited. Public gatherings of more than 20 people were banned.
The extreme measures—now known as social distancing, which is being called for by global health agencies to mitigate the spread of the novel coronavirus—kept per capita flu-related deaths in St. Louis to less than half of those in Philadelphia, according to a 2007 paper in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

The concept of “flattening the curve” is now a textbook public health response to epidemics, including the spread of Covid-19. Once a virus can no longer be contained, the goal is to slow its spread. Exponential growth in infections leaves health care systems struggling to handle the surge. But with fewer people sick at once (and overall), services aren’t overwhelmed and deaths diminish. This buys time for doctors to treat the flood of patients and researchers to develop vaccines and antiviral therapies.

But it wasn’t always this way, says Richard Hatchett, a physician and head of the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations in London, who co-authored the 2007 paper. Social distancing interventions were not always trusted, he wrote in an email; they were widely ignored during flu pandemics in 1957 and 1968. But in the 2000s, several papers including Hatchett’s reanalyzed Spanish flu data to show the efficacy of distancing measures—and the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention later incorporated them into their outbreak guidance.

The key to effective social distancing, though, is timing.

“I think the critical lesson from both the modeling and the historical work is that the benefits of multiple interventions are greatest if they are introduced early (before 1% of the population is infected) and maintained,” wrote Hatchett, who has also directed medical preparedness in the Obama White House. Distancing measures are less effective once more people have contracted the virus, especially in cases where the vast majority of people are not sick enough to need medical attention.

This outbreak is one of those cases. Only 19% of confirmed cases of Covid-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus, become severely or critically ill, reports the CDC. Those with mild symptoms (or none at all) may easily pass the virus on to vulnerable people, particularly those who are older or have pre-existing health conditions. “You can compare the outcomes in Hong Kong, Singapore, and Taiwan, which used such interventions aggressively from the very start, with what happened in Wuhan and what is happening now in Iran and Italy,” wrote Hatchett. “There is no reason to expect the virus to behave differently in Europe and the US than it has in Asia.”

China and Italy may have waited too long; both were forced to take drastic steps weeks after the first cases were discovered. China’s government locked down nearly 60 million people in Hubei province while restricting travel for hundreds of millions of others. Now Italy is banning public gatherings and imposing travel restrictions for 60 million citizens, a first for a modern democracy.

In the US, these restrictions are just beginning. New York state has closed large gathering spaces and deployed National Guard to disinfect buildings and deliver food in a “containment zone” in New Rochelle just north of New York City.

But social distancing doesn’t have to be draconian. South Korea has adopted a modern version of the St. Louis model; the country never locked its citizens down or quarantined entire cities, but has still managed to slow the spread of the new coronavirus. In recent days, new infections have leveled off thanks in part to thousands of free daily tests and a coordinated government effort that closed schools, canceled public events, and supported flexible working arrangements. “Without harming the principle of a transparent and open society,” South Korea’s Vice Health Minister Kim Gang-lip told journalists in the South China Morning Post, “we recommend a response system that blends voluntary public participation with creative applications of advanced technology.”
I was in Philthy last week and we went to The Mutter Museum. They had a large exhibit about the Spanish flu. Bodies piling high.
 

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Welcome To America!
Land of the Free and Home of the Brave!

until the MSM tells us otherwise...

Currently, We're Closed Due To Fear!
Fear of Dying!

LOL
 

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My prediction based on the fact that several high ranking Chinese officials have accused the US Army of planing the virus and yet another openly stating that China will withhold life saving medicines and supplies from the US, that in a week or two we will start seeing mentions, proposals, and downright demands to freeze and confiscate Chinese assets. I fully expect the MSM to be cheerleaders for this too.

As I posted before, China's hesitancy to immediately address the outbreak because of politics; the fabrication that the virus originating in the wet market in Wuhan and to the fact that the bio research lab is also situated Wuhan, whether or not it was or was not an escaped bio weapon, the question still remains in the end, who is going to pay for all of this? China will.

Countries are expending vast sums of money from their treasuries trying to contain this virus. Businesses and industries have been crippled thus leaving further drains to national budgets. In the end, countries are going to look for someone to pay the bill and China has lots of assets overseas that are ripe for appropriation for restitution to injured parties. Countries are not going to be content to sit back and eat the costs of this crises.

Unfortunately for China, as a country, no one is going to shed a tear for them. Would you if you lost a loved one to this pandemic?
 

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Perhaps the Chinese Communist Government never put this to a Vote, so, technically, it was Not a State Sponsored Event...

Based upon what we all know to be a virus from the US, stolen, moved through Canada, flown to China, the 'spy' was arrested when she returned to Canada, a Harvard Scientist is involved...All Deep State...perhaps the Chicoms didn't want this to happen...America gets the blame while it's the bad actors still operating freely in America who are to blame...

If that's the case, me and a few others are correct...the arrests should have begun a few years ago...

i'll say it now:
Told You So

now, go catch a sporting event...go buy some TP...hang onto your wallet, they're currently arguing how to take more of your money to 'keep you safe' from a virus they released onto the world...


LOL

and the irony is:
it's not really funny
 

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JMHO This is going to end up as one of the biggest wealth grabs, big .g0v in your life & manipulations of the masses anyone ever saw.
Again, JMHO. Hope I'm not wrong.
 
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Again, JMHO. Hope I'm wrong.
me too, but, if it walks like a duck...

and to think, if Hillary had won, this virus would definitely be World Wide and we'd not be talking like this about it as I suspect, she'd have the Internet so throttled down, I'd have several Red Flags on me by now...probably would have had a home visit too
 

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China is sending respirators to Italy.

https://www.ansa.it/english/news/20...a-5_be78418e-ee39-4c2f-8012-5203372d3a46.html
2 mn masks, 1,000 ventilators coming from China
Utmost priority for Italian orders Wang tells Di Maio

(ANSA) - Rome, March 10 - Over two million face masks and some 10,000 pulmonary ventilators are set to reach Italy from China under contracts about to be signed, after a phone call between Foreign Minister Luigi Di Maio and Chinese counterpart Wang Yi Tuesday.
Wang assured Di Maio that Italian orders for the ventilators would be made a priority by Chinese firms after similar requests were made by other European countries.
Wang also told Di Maio that the Chinese government had instructed its firms to export two million medical masks.
To start with, China is ready to send 100,000 high-tech masks and 20,000 protective suits, along with 50,000 swabs.
 

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Just got back from the store... All of the dried beans were gone, multi packs of ramen noodles gone, no eggs, no vinegar. I didn't check on anything else just happened to notice those things.
(North West Arkansas)
 
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Since I don't have TV I have to ask. Is the entire MSM coordinated with this information? If so that would also be very unusual.

Placed an order with the butcher today. Going to wait until Monday to pick it up though. By then everyone else should be hunkered down.