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Your doctor can give you a prescription for O2, or a machine that concentrates oxygen out of the atmosphere. Jus' Sayin'
Thankfully, I can still get plenty of O2 from the air I breathe.
 

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coronavirus outbreak is “killing globalization as we know it.”
So there is a silver lining to this afterall!


Your doctor can give you a prescription for O2, or a machine that concentrates oxygen out of the atmosphere. Jus' Sayin'
Will they write that 'script prior to the patient actually needing it?
Ie:so that when you first start getting sick, you can self treat at home in order to hopefully avoid getting to the point where it becomes obvious to a third party (your doctor) that you need it in order to survive?

Also, are there enough of these machines and tanks of O2 for everyone who might need one?
 

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An O2 concentrator is a machine that inhales air that is 80% nitrogen and 19% oxygen, and it passes the air over a bed that absorbs nitrogen. It expels the nitrogen and the other gas is mostly oxygen. It's very nice. I have seen models that provide 3 liters per minute up to 5 liters per minute. I highly recommend one for anyone who needs supplemental oxygen.
 

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so that when you first start getting sick, you can self treat at home in order to hopefully avoid getting to the point where it becomes obvious to a third party (your doctor) that you need it in order to survive?
Well, in that case there is always Craigs List.
 

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An O2 concentrator is a machine that inhales air that is 80% nitrogen and 19% oxygen, and it passes the air over a bed that absorbs nitrogen. It expels the nitrogen and the other gas is mostly oxygen. It's very nice. I have seen models that provide 3 liters per minute up to 5 liters per minute. I highly recommend one for anyone who needs supplemental oxygen.
Yea, I know about 'em. Take a look at 'em on amazon. They've all gone up in price by 50-100% in the past Month.
 

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Yea, I know about 'em. Take a look at 'em on amazon. They've all gone up in price by 50-100% in the past Month.
I bought one of these for my brother 5 years ago for $499...

Philips Respironics EverFlo Oxygen Concentrator Bundle - 5 LPM

they are on sale for $985

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I bought one of these for my brother 5 years ago for $499...

Philips Respironics EverFlo Oxygen Concentrator Bundle - 5 LPM

they are on sale for $985

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A Month ago there were a bunch of 'em in the $250-350 range. Now the same ones are in the $350-650 range.
 

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Total outcomes - 79785
Total deaths - 5830
% of deadly outcomes - 5830/ 79785 = 7.3%
Question, if they say they don't have enough test kits to test everyone, and many people are never getting tested, how can this data be anywhere close to being accurate? How do they know if there are 79785 outcomes or 797,850 outcomes? Bad or incomplete data is worse than no data. Garbage in, garbage out!
 

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... (and will remain so...)
The answer is simple, it can't; but whatever they are saying on the teevee is taken as gospel by the masses anyway because people figure " would the authorities and the alphabet health orgs lie to us?" Well, you have to ask yourself, have they ever lied to us before?

Nothing travels like fear!
Food for thought.
 

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Question, if they say they don't have enough test kits to test everyone, and many people are never getting tested, how can this data be anywhere close to being accurate?
Good question. My answer would be that we should assume that the numbers of dead and recovered are mostly from the 1 in 5 that needed medical care. If that is the case, that would take the death rate down to a little under 2%
A lot better than 7.3%, but still pretty bad. Ie: that means a rate that's "only" 20 times worse than regflu.
 

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... (and will remain so... without testing everybody... and with accurate test kits...)
Which to Shooters point, means these numbers are basically meaningless!
 

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The line at the service desk of every super market in the country within the next few weeks comprised of people returning TP will be epic
 

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The line at the service desks of every super market in the country within the next few weeks comprised of people returning TP will be epic
"Sorry, all sales final" "No refunds"
 

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Total outcomes - 79785
Total deaths - 5830
% of deadly outcomes - 5830/ 79785 = 7.3%
Total "outcomes"
???
The virus crisis isn't over so what does "outcome" mean?
 

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Total "outcomes"
???
The virus crisis isn't over so what does "outcome" mean?
None of this virus bovine excrement makes sense but to attempt to answer your question... I believe that 'outcomes' number is supposed to represent the combined number of people diagnosed with Wuflu who have died and who have recovered so far
 
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The number of those who recovered isn't even known yet.
 

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But tomorrow you might not be dead, you might just be serious.
:-)
 

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Total "outcomes"
???
The virus crisis isn't over so what does "outcome" mean?
Deaths and recovered are running totals of those known to have a final outcome.
That's what ya gotta look at. Final outcome.


The number of those who recovered isn't even known yet.
The number of those needing medical care is most certainly known. So look at those numbers of deaths and recovered as coming from the 20% who needed medical care.
Ie: it still gives a death rate of just under 2%, or in other words, 20 times worse than the regflu.
 

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Total outcomes - 79785
Total deaths - 5830
% of deadly outcomes - 5830/ 79785 = 7.3%

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According to Encyclopedia Britannica, the case fatality rate is 3.7% when the number of cases is 156,396 and the deaths are 5,833.

Case fatality rate, also called case fatality ratio, in epidemiology, the proportion of people who die from a specified disease among all individuals diagnosed with the disease over a certain period of time. Case fatality rate typically is used as a measure of disease severity and is often used for prognosis (predicting disease course or outcome), where comparatively high rates are indicative of relatively poor outcomes.

Case fatality rate is calculated by dividing the number of deaths from a specified disease over a defined period of time by the number of individuals diagnosed with the disease during that time; the resulting ratio is then multiplied by 100 to yield a percentage.
source: https://www.britannica.com/science/case-fatality-rate+

The rate will continue to change until the crisis is over.
 
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The number of those needing medical care is most certainly known. So look at those numbers of deaths and recovered as coming from the 20% who needed medical care.
Ie: it still gives a death rate of just under 2%, or in other words, 20 times worse than the regflu.
Bogus data. Not everyone who comes down with the regflu needs hospitalization and certainly not everyone who comes down with the regflu gets to be part of a government statistic. These numbers are incomplete at best and totally bullcrap at worst
 

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Charts are known to say whatever the creator of the charts want them to say.

The number of deaths divided by the number of confirmed cases = the fatality rate according to Encyclopedia Britannica.

As of the current numbers provided, that ratio is 3.7% world wide (only 1.9% for the U.S. currently [approximately 11:50pm on 3/14/2020]).
 
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