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Govt support of their cronies the bankers who gave them unlimited credit not available to their smaller competition.
You have obscured an important distinction. The mom-n-pops do not have access to unlimited loans because they are not in bed with the banking elite. Sure, they get small high interest loans at times, but they are not privy to future manipulations of the economy which could render them insolvent. While applying for those loans, they give information to the cronies of their competition to take advantage of. So if mom-n-pops are also illegitimate because of USD hegemony and artificial credit, they are only one tenth as illegitimate as the cronies of bankers who are allowed to win this corrupt game at everyone else's expense.
You're omitting from your theory that Wal-Mart WAS a mom & pop store. Kinda blows a big hole right through it.
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You're omitting from your theory that Wal-Mart WAS a mom & pop store. Kinda blows a big hole right through it. View attachment 121252
Not really. All the big box store/monopolies/globalist/international stores got where they are by being in bed with the banking elite. What the men behind it were before that is irrelevant.
 

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Not really. All the big box store/monopolies/globalist/international stores got where they are by being in bed with the banking elite. What the men behind it were before that is irrelevant.
Sounds like an equal playing field then as other Mom and Pops can get in bed too. Just playing DE here.
 

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Sounds like an equal playing field then as other Mom and Pops can get in bed too. Just playing DE here.
Don't be ridiculous. Of course it isn't an equal playing field. Cronies and relatives get the privilege to engage in the international monopoly of globalists. They are all connected at the hip. Without inside connection is Asia, mom-n-pop goes nowhere.
 

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Govt support of their cronies the bankers who gave them unlimited credit not available to their smaller competition.
Like I said I think that they where already VERY big by that point. Success had already occured THEN the socialists sort to preserve it, as they do, where as they should have been left to it.

You have obscured an important distinction.
Nahhhh I didn't 'obscure' anything.

The mom-n-pops do not have access to unlimited loans because they are not in bed with the banking elite. Sure, they get small high interest loans at times, but they are not privy to future manipulations of the economy which could render them insolvent. While applying for those loans, they give information to the cronies of their competition to take advantage of. So if mom-n-pops are also illegitimate because of USD hegemony and artificial credit, they are only one tenth as illegitimate as the cronies of bankers who are allowed to win this corrupt game at everyone else's expense.
Not sure how this really impacts what I am saying. The playing field is what it is at the moment, I never claimed it was right or good, just that it is possible to compete, if not directly, and survive.

Sure shoot the .gov and remove all the crappy crony deals etc... you have my blessing.
 

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Not really. All the big box store/monopolies/globalist/international stores got where they are by being in bed with the banking elite. What the men behind it were before that is irrelevant.
So you are claiming that on day one Walmart was chosen to succeed by the elites?

I find that hard to swallow.
 

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@hoarder, there are so many examples of nobodies becoming millionaires in the US that your theory doesn't hold water. You don't have to be Jewish or mega-rich to get a loan in the US, or to grow a business from a garage to a billion dollars in yearly sales. People who are not part of any of the "clubs" you describe do it all the time.

And, as has been repeatedly pointed out and you've chosen to evade, every mom n pop's shop in the US has immeasurable illegitimate advantages vs other businesses because of the use of force to maintain USD hegemony around the world.

How come you don't seem to have a problem with that?

Let me guess: because in that particular case you believe it works out to your advantage?
 

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I'm guessing that really he only came to .gov notice when he got to employing a lot of people.

 

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Like I said I think that they where already VERY big by that point. Success had already occured THEN the socialists sort to preserve it, as they do, where as they should have been left to it.



Nahhhh I didn't 'obscure' anything.



Not sure how this really impacts what I am saying. The playing field is what it is at the moment, I never claimed it was right or good, just that it is possible to compete, if not directly, and survive.

Sure shoot the .gov and remove all the crappy crony deals etc... you have my blessing.
Sure Zed. It's the "Socialists"......not the banksters.
 

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@hoarder, there are so many examples of nobodies becoming millionaires in the US that your theory doesn't hold water. You don't have to be Jewish or mega-rich to get a loan in the US, or to grow a business from a garage to a billion dollars in yearly sales. People who are not part of any of the "clubs" you describe do it all the time.

And, as has been repeatedly pointed out and you've chosen to evade, every mom n pop's shop in the US has immeasurable illegitimate advantages vs other businesses because of the use of force to maintain USD hegemony around the world.

How come you don't seem to have a problem with that?

Let me guess: because in that particular case you believe it works out to your advantage?
It's not rocket science. Those who are closest to the ones who issue trillions out of thin air are the most likely to succeed in securing the greatest "market share". Pretty simple.
 

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The critic is a self avowed socialist that wants a cooperative world with no real governance and no real competition. How is it a conflict to call him what he states he is?

Factually incorrect, my friend. You're fabricating a story to try and fit your narrative.

I've often described myself as being apolitical but I've definitely never self identified as a socialist.

It's foolishly narrow minded to subscribe to every aspect of an ideology while simultaneously dismissing all others in their entirety.

When the SHTF - - and that's an inevitability - - I'll be the first to tell you the only way of surviving it will be through a collective effort.

Anyone who believes they can survive as a one man entity in such a scenario is living in a dream world.

That's not being a socialist - - it's being a realist, my friend.
 

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Sure Zed. It's the "Socialists"......not the banksters.
LOL... Under the current crony-cap/fascist model in the US you might see them as one and the same. I dunno... what you you like.
 

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People around here are doing it!

Dude, there is a revolution going on in food and it surrounds quality. People are working out that the modern diet is killing them and moving to better food sources. If a farmer can't exploit this grass roots trend then they should sell to someone who can.

Your generation is all whine and no fight, entitlement is the problem.

When your farming "experience" consists of setting up some software programs for a relative, I can't take your comments on the subject of farming seriously.

Particularly when you're pontificating such an asinine idea as shipping beef 3/4 of the way around the world to a market that's essentially non existent.

FFS, farming needs to become more localized NOT globalized. You're completely oblivious to that point, which further renders your credibility on the subject non existent.
 

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Factually incorrect, my friend. You're fabricating a story to try and fit your narrative.

I've often described myself as being apolitical but I've definitely never self identified as a socialist.
Oh OK, check "Collectivist - OTHER" box, under "Untried theory" in the Fantasy sub section of form D.

It's foolishly narrow minded to subscribe to every aspect of an ideology while simultaneously dismissing all others in their entirety.
It's crazy to come up with a fantasy model that has never even come close to existing, but whatever.

When the SHTF - - and that's an inevitability - - I'll be the first to tell you the only way of surviving it will be through a collective effort.
The only way anyone survives is by collective effort, if you didn't struggle with comprehension you'd understand that we are only concerned about how that collective effort comes about. A point you have ducked routinely!.

Anyone who believes they can survive as a one man entity in such a scenario is living in a dream world.
Refer previous comment... as nauseam.

That's not being a socialist - - it's being a realist, my friend.
You are not a realist. You have demonstrated that a number of times in this thread. Zero cred on that front.

Try starting again and explaining how this collectivist model of yours that isn't socialism, actually works. Ican assure you that no one reading this has a clue from what you have posted. Looks like a FANTASY!
 

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It's not rocket science. Those who are closest to the ones who issue trillions out of thin air are the most likely to succeed in securing the greatest "market share". Pretty simple.

I'm always amazed at how people are unable to recognize that.

Regardless of whatever anyone wants to label it - - capitalism, socialism, fascism, etc - - the results are ALWAYS the same: a small group of wealthy elites at the top, manipulating everything to profit off the backs of everyone below them.
 

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When your farming "experience" consists of setting up some software programs for a relative, I can't take your comments on the subject of farming seriously.
What a sound rebuttal of what was put forward. Weak, very weak.

Particularly when you're pontificating such an asinine idea as shipping beef 3/4 of the way around the world to a market that's essentially non existent.
Oh you mean that beef trade that is actually happening?

FFS, farming needs to become more localized NOT globalized.
No, it needs to make sense and a profit... we can produce way more food than 25m people need so we export. Logical, no?

You're completely oblivious to that point, which further renders your credibility on the subject non existent.
My credibility? Take a look around you will find premium food from Oz in any upscale market in the US. How is that not credible for you.

Once upon a time, being desperate for a decent bottle of wine while in Boston on business I paid $50US for an Aussie bottle of wine. At the time it retailed for $7.50US at my local corner shop in Oz. Boggles my mind that they could get that much for it state side but I much preferred it to the cheaper Cali wines on offer.

Anywhoo.... we have a number of quality food exports going on from Oz, why the hell would you worry about my cred when you can check the facts at the drop of a hat?
 

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I'm always amazed at how people are unable to recognize that.

Regardless of whatever anyone wants to label it - - capitalism, socialism, fascism, etc - - the results are ALWAYS the same: a small group of wealthy elites at the top, manipulating everything to profit off the backs of everyone below them.
... and yet all you do is whine, say its impossible to do anything and look forward to a SHTF event and some kumbaya out come!

SHTF (whatever that really means) and you are gonna die first with your attitude. It's gonna be a no holds barred fight for survival and I doubt you have what it takes.
 

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The only way anyone survives is by collective effort
Thank you for parroting what I explained way back in Post #50 of this thread.

As with all truths, evidently my comments pass through three stages: First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as self-evident.
 

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What a sound rebuttal of what was put forward. Weak, very weak.



Oh you mean that beef trade that is actually happening?



No, it needs to make sense and a profit... we can produce way more food than 25m people need so we export. Logical, no?



My credibility? Take a look around you will find premium food from Oz in any upscale market in the US. How is that not credible for you.

Once upon a time, being desperate for a decent bottle of wine while in Boston on business I paid $50US for an Aussie bottle of wine. At the time it retailed for $7.50US at my local corner shop in Oz. Boggles my mind that they could get that much for it state side but I much preferred it to the cheaper Cali wines on offer.

Anywhoo.... we have a number of quality food exports going on from Oz, why the hell would you worry about my cred when you can check it at the drop of a hat?
Found this is less than 5 seconds. But then again, I don't have a dogma to uphold.

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Each year, Canada exports millions head of cattle and pigs to America. Although the U.S. is one of the world's largest exporters of beef, the country still imports beef from New Zealand, Uruguay and Australia. The importation of veal, pork, lamb and mutton has increased rapidly over the past several decades. The USDA has stated that the driving force of the growth in importing meat includes rising incomes and the preference of U.S. consumers for a greater variety of red meat.

https://classroom.synonym.com/list-of-foods-imported-into-the-us-12080392.html
 

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Thank you for parroting what I explained way back in Post #50 of this thread.
Don't be a dick, it was never disputed, what was disputed was HOW... ie VOLUNTARY!

As with all truths, evidently my comments pass through three stages: First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as self-evident.
Hmmmmm... yeah LOL. Go on, explain how your wet dream ACTUALLY works, you haven't done that yet. I reckon it is because you can't.

The libertarians on the other hand have a pretty sound and broad case.
 

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... and yet all you do is whine, say its impossible to do anything and look forward to a SHTF event and some kumbaya out come!

SHTF (whatever that really means) and you are gonna die first with your attitude. It's gonna be a no holds barred fight for survival and I doubt you have what it takes.
Of course I look forward to the actual SHTF event. Eagerly anticipate it, actually.

Because that's when the playing field will finally be levelled for everyone.

I've got first hand experience plus the ability to grow produce and raise livestock, so that puts me ahead of 95% of the population.

Factor in a few large calibre hand guns coupled with my inclusive attitude towards others, and I like my chances.
 

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It's not rocket science. Those who are closest to the ones who issue trillions out of thin air are the most likely to succeed in securing the greatest "market share". Pretty simple.
Again, if you were correct, only Jews would be successful. You're incorrect.

Secondly, and since you insist on evading it, I'll ask you again: How come you don't have a problem with the illegitimate disadvantages ALL businesses in the US derive from the use of force to maintain USD hegemony? Is it because in that case it seems to benefit you?


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I've often described myself as being apolitical but I've definitely never self identified as a socialist.
Yes you have. Perhaps not knowingly and intentionally, but you sure have. The only doubt is whether you are just a socialist or a full-blown communist, since you've voiced support for communal ownership of everything.

It's foolishly narrow minded to subscribe to every aspect of an ideology while simultaneously dismissing all others in their entirety.
Of course, like most people, you'd rather pick and choose some positions from here, some from there... The fact that they may contradict each other doesn't matter at all to you.

When the SHTF - - and that's an inevitability - - I'll be the first to tell you the only way of surviving it will be through a collective effort.

Anyone who believes they can survive as a one man entity in such a scenario is living in a dream world.

That's not being a socialist - - it's being a realist, my friend.
Again, you and your prophetic-wannabe theories about TSHTF, a subject you evidently know nothing about.

Particularly annoying is your error, no doubt based on ample ignorance, in equating voluntary cooperation with collectivism. If people decide to work together to help each other, that won't be collectivist at all. Just as capitalism doesn't imply being a "one man entity". It's ridiculous and just goes to show you don't know what you're talking about.

When your farming "experience" consists of setting up some software programs for a relative, I can't take your comments on the subject of farming seriously.

Particularly when you're pontificating such an asinine idea as shipping beef 3/4 of the way around the world to a market that's essentially non existent.

FFS, farming needs to become more localized NOT globalized. You're completely oblivious to that point, which further renders your credibility on the subject non existent.
Classic. You demand people share personal experiences with you only to vulgarly ridicule them. Zed seems pretty credible and knowledgeable. You obviously have never run any kind of business or done any farming at all.

Perhaps it's unfair to ask this of you but please try to do better, my friend.
 

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Found this is less than 5 seconds. But then again, I don't have a dogma to uphold.

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Each year, Canada exports millions head of cattle and pigs to America. Although the U.S. is one of the world's largest exporters of beef, the country still imports beef from New Zealand, Uruguay and Australia. The importation of veal, pork, lamb and mutton has increased rapidly over the past several decades. The USDA has stated that the driving force of the growth in importing meat includes rising incomes and the preference of U.S. consumers for a greater variety of red meat.

https://classroom.synonym.com/list-of-foods-imported-into-the-us-12080392.html
You guys are good business for us, there is only 25m of us so you are a vast market @ 300m to sell a variety of products into. We can only compete at the quality end of the market but we can normally price well on similar quality offered locally. Conversely we import fruit and veg from California, our number one food import. I'm not sure why but they do it cheaper for the mass market stuff. You'd think that some of this has to end at some point but for now its making sense and money so it is what it is.
 

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You guys are good business for us, there is only 25m of us so you are a vast market @ 300m to sell a variety of products into. We can only compete at the quality end of the market but we can normally price well on similar quality offered locally. Conversely we import fruit and veg from California, our number one food import. I'm not sure why but they do it cheaper for the mass market stuff. You'd think that some of this has to end at some point but for now its making sense and money so it is what it is.
4 time Worlds Strongest Man Bryan Shaw eats 5 pounds a day himself. We like our red meat. Boy!
 

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Of course I look forward to the actual SHTF event. Eagerly anticipate it, actually.
Foolish.

Because that's when the playing field will finally be levelled for everyone.
Oh dear god NO! You will be done over by the strongest in your area. It will be about as level as a gang rape. Pure FANTASY!

I've got first hand experience plus the ability to grow produce and raise livestock, so that puts me ahead of 95% of the population.
You've not demonstrated that at all. I have left openings for you to attack IF you knew what you where talking about and you missed them all.

Factor in a few large calibre hand guns coupled with my inclusive attitude towards others, and I like my chances.
Yeah right... cause you hard core, LOL. Why don't you go to the Chincongo and practice for a while, its those guys who are gonna come your way in a SHTF scenario. Looks like more FANTASY!
 

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Yes you have. Perhaps not knowingly and intentionally, but you sure have. The only doubt is whether you are just a socialist or a full-blown communist, since you've voiced support for communal ownership of everything.
That was certainly my read of it!
 

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When your farming "experience" consists of setting up some software programs for a relative, I can't take your comments on the subject of farming seriously.
Oh yeah... I never said "setting up some software"... there is a little more than that involved in some of this farm tech these days.
 

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Foolish.



Oh dear god NO! You will be done over by the strongest in your area. It will be about as level as a gang rape. Pure FANTASY!



You've not demonstrated that at all. I have left openings for you to attack IF you knew what you where talking about and you missed them all.



Yeah right... cause you hard core, LOL. Why don't you go to the Chincongo and practice for a while, its those guys who are gonna come your way in a SHTF scenario. Looks like more FANTASY!
Area51 thinks as soon as TSHTF all his red fantasies will come true, nonsensical though they may be.
He'll either be getting free handouts from everyone (for the benefit of society, you know) or he'll be accepting a cure for cancer in exchange for a "nourishing meal". Depends on how the cookie crumbles, but pretty good either way. And if anyone gets snippy, he'll just get gangsta on them!

Oh yeah... I never said "setting up some software"... there is a little more than that involved in some of this farm tech these days.
That was an obvious troll move on Area's part. Request you share personal info and then use it to try to ridicule you, all rather than deal with actual arguments. Ad-hominem, I believe it's called. Trollius Maximus.
 

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Found this is less than 5 seconds. But then again, I don't have a dogma to uphold.

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Each year, Canada exports millions head of cattle and pigs to America. Although the U.S. is one of the world's largest exporters of beef, the country still imports beef from New Zealand, Uruguay and Australia. The importation of veal, pork, lamb and mutton has increased rapidly over the past several decades. The USDA has stated that the driving force of the growth in importing meat includes rising incomes and the preference of U.S. consumers for a greater variety of red meat.

https://classroom.synonym.com/list-of-foods-imported-into-the-us-12080392.html

Their target market being a bunch of dumb cunts. Literally.


"While foodservice is a key target for MLA in promoting Australian beef, retail opportunities are growing. In this space, millennials and urban eclectics are a target market – they’re wealthy, healthy and digital-savvy, and most likely to be 25 to 49-year-old women."

https://www.mla.com.au/news-and-eve...demand-for-chilled-grassfed-beef-on-the-rise/
 

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Their target market being a bunch of dumb cunts. Literally.
And what does that have to do with the price of beef in China?
 

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And what does that have to do with the price of beef in China?

Read the article, my friend - - I can't do that for you.

Gives a great explanation of how laughably minuscule the Australian share of the US beef market is.

More importantly, it acknowledges the gullible saps they're trying to pitch.
 

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Read the article, my friend - - I can't do that for you.

Gives a great explanation of how laughably minuscule the Australian share of the US beef market is.

More importantly, it acknowledges the gullible saps they're trying to pitch.
My reply was a play on "What's that got to do with the price of tea in China?" The inference being that the whole point was that there is a market. You then, without capitulating, start to denigrate the demographics of the market as if it has anything to do with the points being discussed.
 

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Read the article, my friend - - I can't do that for you.

Gives a great explanation of how laughably minuscule the Australian share of the US beef market is.

More importantly, it acknowledges the gullible saps they're trying to pitch.
It's like having my own personal troll doll that can't do math or understand relative market sizes or understand the concept of profit!

 

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My reply was a play on "What's that got to do with the price of tea in China?" The inference being that the whole point was that there is a market. You then, without capitulating, start to denigrate the demographics of the market as if it has anything to do with the points being discussed.
LOL, yeah.

I seem to remember that we where talking about how the small guys can find an edge to survive against the big guys, save maybe Turkey farmers, cause, you know, 49c a lb lost turkeys leading somewhere.

Now as far as I can make out his argument is people won't pay for quality, this is from a guy who snubs Walmart, and no doubt pays more locally, on the basis of, you know, QUALITY! Go figure than one out?!

Where the hell did we get this one from? The gun toting, no government, collectivist that has a problem with free choice yet reserves his right to choose?!

I've met less confusing 3rd wave feminists!

Hmmmmm, I wonder is Area51 a feminist?

Maybe some probing is required to discern the true nature of our abductee?

 

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Their target market being a bunch of dumb cunts. Literally.
“You Will Never Go Broke Underestimating the Intelligence of the American Public” – PT Barnum

Sadly you seem to be proving this is still apt.

Sadly the Australian public are on the same page, still, we make hay while the sun shines!

You will be first against the wall when the revolution comes! - Some Marxist

You will be first against the wall when the SHTF comes! - Zed (some dude on a gold site)
 
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LOL, yeah.

I seem to remember that we where talking about how the small guys can find an edge to survive against the big guys, save maybe Turkey farmers, cause, you know, 49c a lb lost turkeys leading somewhere.

Now as far as I can make out his argument is people won't pay for quality, this is from a guy who snubs Walmart, and no doubt pays more locally, on the basis of, you know, QUALITY! Go figure than one out?!

Where the hell did we get this one from? The gun toting, no government, collectivist that has a problem with free choice yet reserves his right to choose?!

I've met less confusing 3rd wave feminists!

Hmmmmm, I wonder is Area51 a feminist?

Maybe some probing is required to discern the true nature of our abductee?


Small family farms can achieve a competitive edge by focusing on the LOCAL market and capitalizing on freshness among other things.

Globalization is an abject failure, my friend. Particularly when it comes to food, the future is local.

Expecting a small farming operation to profit from shipping grass fed beef 3/4 of the way around the world is one of the dumbest suggestions imaginable. Especially when the market for said beef is nonexistent.

I've been amused by your attempts to comment on farming, so I thank you for the laughs. But stick to what you know with tech and software programming.
 

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Small family farms can achieve a competitive edge by focusing on the LOCAL market and capitalizing on freshness among other things.
Which is what I was demonstrating when I related to you how the producers in our area are focused on selling QUALITY into the local restaurant and open air market trade. You really don't listen do you?

Globalization is an abject failure, my friend. Particularly when it comes to food, the future is local.
Not a totally true or false statement. You, however, have a nasty tendency to assert things and offer no proof or support. Abject failure is probably an over statement without some qualification.

I'm not your friend, you aren't intelligent enough.

Expecting a small farming operation to profit from shipping grass fed beef 3/4 of the way around the world is one of the dumbest suggestions imaginable. Especially when the market for said beef is nonexistent.
1. You are focusing on one part of a picture that was not the main point being made. Very troll like. The point made about selling to the US is that producing superior QUALITY works so well that they even get to export beyond the local market.

2. It's a real trade that is happening. e.g. Cape Grim There are many others. Maybe you should call them up and tell them that they are being dumb, I'm sure they will stop because you say so.

3. People are working out that feeding corn to beef may make the beef fat but the resulting meat containing those elements is also a part of what is making them fat. You are what you eat eats... Wild is better, pasture raised is better, chickens that eat worms are better than those that eat grain. etc, etc, The awareness is growing than QUALITY is more important than quantity. This is an expanding market as people become more discerning about what goes into their mouths.

I've been amused by your attempts to comment on farming, so I thank you for the laughs. But stick to what you know with tech and software programming.
Again, not one legitimate point made that would suggest you have even been on a farm. You missed the VERY obvious flaws left on purpose to test your mettle. Of course I had a response ready for you but you didn't see the issues. This suggests that you are just making stuff up!

To put it simply you are just another bullshit artist with a keyboard.
 
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