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Donald Trump suggests delay to 2020 US presidential election

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Donald Trump suggests delay to 2020 US presidential election


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Donald Trump has suggested November's presidential election be postponed, saying increased postal voting could lead to fraud and inaccurate results.

He floated a delay until people could "properly, securely and safely" vote.

There is little evidence to support Mr Trump's claims but he has long railed against mail-in voting which he has said would be susceptible to fraud.

US states want to make postal voting easier due to public health concerns over the coronavirus pandemic.

Under the US constitution, Mr Trump does not have the authority to postpone the election himself. Any delay would have to be approved by Congress. The president does not have direct power over the two houses of Congress.

What did Trump say?
In a series of tweets, Mr Trump said "universal mail-in voting" would make November's vote the "most inaccurate and fraudulent election in history" and a "great embarrassment to the USA".


He suggested - without providing evidence - that mail-in voting, as it is known in the US, would be susceptible to foreign interference.

"The [Democrats] talk of foreign influence in voting, but they know that Mail-In Voting is an easy way for foreign countries to enter the race," he said.

Mr Trump also said postal voting was "already proving to be a catastrophic disaster" in areas where it was being tried out.

In June, New York allowed voters to vote by post in the Democratic primary poll for the party's presidential candidate. But there have been long delays in counting the ballots and the results are still unknown.

US media report that there are also concerns that many ballots will not be counted because they were not filled in correctly or do not have postmarks on them that show they were sent before voting officially ended.

However, several other states have long conducted votes by post.

Donald Trump can't delay November's presidential election without Congress, partially controlled by the Democrats, first approving the decision. If he didn't already know this, someone has certainly told him by now.

The president also must know that tweeting about a delay - even framed as an "I'm just asking!" question - is sure to ignite a political firestorm, particularly after he has repeatedly refused to say whether he'd accept an adverse result in the upcoming presidential election.

Mr Trump appears to be doing everything in his power to undermine the credibility of November's vote, in which a record number of Americans are predicted to rely on mail-in voting to avoid the risk of exposure to the coronavirus. He's repeatedly made false and misleading claims about the reliability of the mail balloting and suggested broad conspiracy theories. Critics warn that he could be laying the groundwork for contesting the results - although the purpose may be simply to give him a scapegoat if he loses.

His tweet could also be an attempt to divert attention away from the truly dismal second-quarter economic numbers just released. He's been relying on a financial turnaround to breathe life into his re-election campaign, and instead the outlook appears exceedingly gloomy.

Whatever the reason, tweeting about an election delay is not the move of a candidate confident of victory - and could be a sign of more desperate moves to come.

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Donald Trump suggests delay to 2020 US presidential election


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Donald Trump has suggested November's presidential election be postponed, saying increased postal voting could lead to fraud and inaccurate results.

He floated a delay until people could "properly, securely and safely" vote.

There is little evidence to support Mr Trump's claims but he has long railed against mail-in voting which he has said would be susceptible to fraud.

US states want to make postal voting easier due to public health concerns over the coronavirus pandemic.

Under the US constitution, Mr Trump does not have the authority to postpone the election himself. Any delay would have to be approved by Congress. The president does not have direct power over the two houses of Congress.

What did Trump say?
In a series of tweets, Mr Trump said "universal mail-in voting" would make November's vote the "most inaccurate and fraudulent election in history" and a "great embarrassment to the USA".


He suggested - without providing evidence - that mail-in voting, as it is known in the US, would be susceptible to foreign interference.

"The [Democrats] talk of foreign influence in voting, but they know that Mail-In Voting is an easy way for foreign countries to enter the race," he said.

Mr Trump also said postal voting was "already proving to be a catastrophic disaster" in areas where it was being tried out.

In June, New York allowed voters to vote by post in the Democratic primary poll for the party's presidential candidate. But there have been long delays in counting the ballots and the results are still unknown.

US media report that there are also concerns that many ballots will not be counted because they were not filled in correctly or do not have postmarks on them that show they were sent before voting officially ended.

However, several other states have long conducted votes by post.

Donald Trump can't delay November's presidential election without Congress, partially controlled by the Democrats, first approving the decision. If he didn't already know this, someone has certainly told him by now.

The president also must know that tweeting about a delay - even framed as an "I'm just asking!" question - is sure to ignite a political firestorm, particularly after he has repeatedly refused to say whether he'd accept an adverse result in the upcoming presidential election.

Mr Trump appears to be doing everything in his power to undermine the credibility of November's vote, in which a record number of Americans are predicted to rely on mail-in voting to avoid the risk of exposure to the coronavirus. He's repeatedly made false and misleading claims about the reliability of the mail balloting and suggested broad conspiracy theories. Critics warn that he could be laying the groundwork for contesting the results - although the purpose may be simply to give him a scapegoat if he loses.

His tweet could also be an attempt to divert attention away from the truly dismal second-quarter economic numbers just released. He's been relying on a financial turnaround to breathe life into his re-election campaign, and instead the outlook appears exceedingly gloomy.

Whatever the reason, tweeting about an election delay is not the move of a candidate confident of victory - and could be a sign of more desperate moves to come.

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BBC. Enough said.
 

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Now that POTUS DJT suggested it, the dimturds MUST adhere to the November 3rd date.

Voter ID is coming.
 

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Just put the voting booths at wal mart. Seems like everyone is capable of getting there.
 

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he's just trolling the tards
 

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Today's Trump tweet:
President Trump floats delaying the presidential election
https://www.chicagotribune.com/elect...jdy-story.html

How the GOP can give Trump 294 Electoral College votes, winning the election for him,
according to Constitutional Law:

As the 2016 election reminded the country, the president is chosen by the Electoral College, not the popular vote. There are 538 electors, and a candidate needs 270 of them to win. Currently, every state assigns electors to the candidate who won the popular vote statewide. (Two states add a twist that’s irrelevant here.) But the Constitution does not require states to assign their electors on the basis of the statewide vote. It does not even require a statewide vote. Rather, it explains that each state “shall appoint” its electors “in such manner as the Legislature thereof may direct.” In other words, each state legislature gets to decide how electors are appointed—and, by extension, who gets their votes.

Today, every state legislature has delegated this task to the people. But at first, state legislatures just did it themselves. In the first presidential election, for instance, the legislatures of Connecticut, Delaware, Georgia, New Jersey, and South Carolina appointed electors directly. Eventually, every state moved toward the modern system. But the Supreme Court confirmed in 1892’s McPherson v. Blacker that states were free to revert to the old method, and in 2000’s Bush v. Gore, the court reiterated this point. The majority declared that the state legislature “may, if it so chooses, select the electors itself,” and retains authority to “take back the power to appoint electors” even after switching to a statewide vote.

Put simply, it is perfectly constitutional for a state legislature to scrap statewide elections for president and appoint electors itself. It would also be constitutional for a state legislature to disregard the winner of the statewide vote and assign electors to the loser. And because the Constitution grants legislatures the authority to pick electors this way, Congress cannot stop them.

Due in part to partisan gerrymandering, Republicans control the legislatures of 28 states. Collectively, these states have 294 electoral votes. Trump himself could not cancel the entire presidential election. But he could ask these GOP-dominated legislatures to cancel their statewide presidential elections and assign their electors to him. It’s doubtful that we will face this situation in November. But imagine a worst-case scenario: The election is approaching, and the coronavirus remains rampant in our communities."

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https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...ronavirus.html
 

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As the Supreme Court reminded America in Bush v. Gore: The “individual citizen has no federal constitutional right to vote for electors for the President of the United States unless and until the state legislature chooses a statewide election as the means to implement its power to appoint members of the Electoral College.”

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020...-election.html
 

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Wait, is Voter ID a good thing? Won't that nullify the anonymity of the secret ballot?
 

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Just put the voting booths at wal mart. Seems like everyone is capable of getting there.
Sheer genius comment, that!

I taught graduate courses for the US military. We had a method of instigating discussion when starting class by taking an extreme position regarding the topic at hand (for example when discussing warfare an instructor might start by saying something like "The US should have used nuclear weapons on Chinese cities during the 1950-1952 Korean war in order to save the lives of American troops.") just to get people debating the concepts that we wanted them to learn.

It was very effective, and I'm beginning to see how Trump has been doing something similar on Twitter for the last 4+ years.
 

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I've never heard of ''Directive 51''

I'm not so sure that this gives him the power to suspend the elections

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WHOA! @realDonaldTrump @POTUS has complete authority under “Directive 51” to postpone the election! The China virus/Plandemic gives him that authority! 5D chess! @KarluskaP @love4thegameAK @M2Madness @RedPill78 @cjtruth @Beer_Parade https://t.co/dxnUAYgpsH— TrumpyGIRL22⭐️⭐️⭐️ (@Jersey4Trump22) July 30, 2020

So apparently President Trump does have the authority to postpone the election w/o Congressional approval.

It's called Directive 51.
He has put the Democrazies in a corner.

Directive 51 can be used in case of a “catastrophic emergency”...Cnt... https://t.co/tn4P3q1FnC— Praying Actress (@PrayingActress) July 30, 2020


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FROM WIKILAND


This presidential directive defines the "national essential functions" of the federal government, specifies "continuity requirements" for the departments and agencies in the federal government's executive branch, and "provides guidance for state, local, territorial, and tribal governments, and private sector organizations. It also provides for a National Continuity Coordinator who will oversee the "development and implementation of federal continuity policies."

The source text indicates that during a catastrophic emergency the federal government will cooperate as a matter of comity in order to protect the constitution:

(e) "Enduring Constitutional Government," or "ECG," means a cooperative effort among the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of the Federal Government, coordinated by the President, as a matter of comity with respect to the legislative and judicial branches and with proper respect for the constitutional separation of powers among the branches, to preserve the constitutional framework under which the Nation is governed and the capability of all three branches of government to execute constitutional responsibilities and provide for orderly succession, appropriate transition of leadership, and interoperability and support of the National Essential Functions during a catastrophic emergency;[3]


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Now that POTUS DJT suggested it, the dimturds MUST adhere to the November 3rd date.

Voter ID is coming.
Exactly. Trump is five chess moves ahead of the Dems and setting them up.

He's playing them like the proverbial fiddle.
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Wait, is Voter ID a good thing? Won't that nullify the anonymity of the secret ballot?
Not at all. It only proves identity to vote.

How you vote in private won’t be impacted. You pull the curtain, pull the lever and vote.
 

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You guys have levers??? All we get is a smelly pencil
 

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Anyone notice what exactly transpired after Trump tweeted?

The left was apoplectic! They were brilliant!

They even gave all the legal reasons why Trump couldn’t delay the election...

Those will be the same reasons he will use against them when they delay the election.

Mail in votes will take longer to count, maybe even a month or more...

Easy solution... vote in person on electronic voting machines as before, only this time they will be hack proof - NSA has seen to that which is why the left is screaming “MAIL IN” because Covid!!

Therapeutics will be proven effective by then rendering CV19 harmless....
 

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Trump Suggests Delaying The Election Causing Democrats To Freak Out, But Technically Trump COULD

 

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The other side to that chart is that if people think they'll die they might actually do something. Under Trump, they go to sleep and think to themselves, 'Trump will take care of everything'.

A perfect example is this very thread. If Obama had suggested delaying the election people would be howling and the ammo shelves would be empty. Trump suggests it, and the response is, 'He's just joking'. How do you really know he's just joking? How do you know Trump wasn't selected by the shadow government to start a civil war, or to pave the way for a Leftist dictator after Trump?

It would be a lot better if we would just stick to principles and limitations on government powers.
 

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It would be a lot better if we would just stick to principles and limitations on government powers.
Thats not gonna happen man, that pony is already out of the barn.
 

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Just put the voting booths at wal mart. Seems like everyone is capable of getting there.
Not all Wally World customers can fit in a booth or "belly up" to the ballot box...of course, they couldn't do that anywhere else either.
 
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he's just trolling the tards
The other side to that chart is that if people think they'll die they might actually do something. Under Trump, they go to sleep and think to themselves, 'Trump will take care of everything'.

A perfect example is this very thread. If Obama had suggested delaying the election people would be howling and the ammo shelves would be empty. Trump suggests it, and the response is, 'He's just joking'. How do you really know he's just joking? How do you know Trump wasn't selected by the shadow government to start a civil war, or to pave the way for a Leftist dictator after Trump?

It would be a lot better if we would just stick to principles and limitations on government powers.
People are howling and the ammo shelves are empty or will soon be.

Trump is the troll master. I had like zero respect for the guy before he took office, but he is a master.

I have seen countless posts since he was elected from the notleft about how he is/was doing good EXCEPT for the constant twitting they think is stupid and wrong and costs support. I call BS. He is communicating with the 50% of America that is below the IQ of an "Average American". He also uses it to send NewPravada off on a wild goose chase on some corny crap that always makes them not him look bad because they look so stupid.

The more this guy does stuff, the more I laugh. He has them chasing their tail. They think they boxed him in with the plandemic but basically he is saying if this so-called EMERGENCY keeps going, well, it is an emergency, he might have to extend his time in office. LOL

Now the plan to f*ck him up seems to be an excuse for him to be in office beyond his term, which I am pretty sure was not their plan.

CLASSIC SHIT! Keep poking them with that stick, Mr. Trump! You are a master!

Another thought, if he can extend the election date out a month or two Biden might be dead by now, and they might have to finish the autopsy on RBG, which will f^ck them up even more, which is even funnier.

These a$$holes have treated our Sacred Constitution like asswipe for decades now, you know that. Only we have to follow it perfectly, they do what the heck they want. Screw it, time for us to do whatever we want until they have been steamrolled into the pavement. I think I will like an actual Right wing dictatorship better than Pol Pot bullshit. The General fixed Chile after all. It was the rich socialist student assholes that got nine grams of lead to the neck, not the working man.

Then after we have corrected everything we can go back to the Constitution, about a generation or so down the pike. Once they are all gone.
 
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He is making em show their asses. he is quite a dickhead!

Its good fun!

I will surely vote for him.

The comic relief is such that I cant help myself.
 

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He has the Maoists in an uproar, the Trotskyites in an uproar, the Leninists in an uproar, the Libertarians in an uproar, the RINOs in an upoar, everybody but the working stiffs.

And it's our dam country, not theirs.

Power does come from the barrel of a gun, and they might have some guns, but they don't know how to aim.
WE DO.

TRUMP = MUST SEE TEEVEE! I'm loving it! Viva the Counter Revolution!
 

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That devils spawn RBG has most likely been dead for almost a year. If this shit goes on any longer, they are going to have to roll out a wax dummy when they finally tell us she's been recalled to hell, because her body will be so badly decomposed it can't be identified. That witch is roasting in hell for the deaths of the millions of American babies she caused. Look around you - no offense to people from Mexico I love you baby, but the millions of illegal immigrants that have poured into American since this abortion bullshit are the replacements for the natural Americans that were aborted. SHE WIPED OUT REAL AMERICANS, A REAL HOLOCOST. No ovens or gas chambers needed - the mass murders were carried out in Planned ParentHood Clinics. Entire generations wiped out and replaced with illegal aliens. JESUS IS WEEPING FOR AMERICA.
 

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I killed 352 coyotes last year, its their ass if they wanna get humpy.

I dont understand it, cant we all be friends?

I hope they dont make me lay in the weeds.........I will........

Gosh darn man.

It sounds like alot of work.
 

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Ya can't make an omelet without cracking a few heads, right? As Tojo said.
 

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Ya can't make an omelet without cracking a few heads, right? As Tojo said.
thats what they say..........

You would hope, if youve done that, to leave it behind, and get on with your life.

I hate the heck out of it.

Im just a scrawny little feller.

There is nothing pretty, or heroic, or decent about it. Its just a job.

Somebody has to do it.

Wot a mess.
 

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Trump is the troll master.
He's a Roth puppet. Trump would sell out all of his supporters on this forum in a New York minute, just like he did Assange. After he leaves the White House he will go back to being friends with the Clintons. He's a showman, an actor. That's why the bankers bailed him out, they knew he was an awesome promoter they could use later on. And boy have they done so.

If you really believe Trump's on your side, then why is Trump pushing DNA-altering mass vaccination and giving money to Bill Gates? Why has he bailed out the bankers? Why has he created a database of gunowners' social media posts?

These a$$holes have treated our Sacred Constitution like asswipe for decades now, you know that.
That's 100% correct, and those pieces of sh&t include not only Clinton and Obama, but Reagan and both Bushes. All of them sold out, not just the Dems. Giving Trump a free pass accomplishes nothing. Look at what the media is pushing. They want us divided. They're orchestrating and amplifying the chaos.
 
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I agree that we disagree in many ways, but we want the same thing most likely. Mr. Trump is a very busy man if he is personally responsible for all the crap you just threw on him. Again, I don't even like the guy. Ever run a business? The more employees you have the harder it is to control what goes on, to the point if it gets too big you can't really directly control anything. Like steering a battleship using a wooden oar. He is no saint by any means, he is a human being who is from an entirely different background than mine, and I assume you. It is kind of amazing he isn't corrupt like a Rockefeller. We know he knew real mobsters, no way he didn't do business with them, he was in the NYC construction racket so he had to have been elbow to elbow with them. I don't mean that as a slander or to toss mud, but how the else can you do anything in a city like NY? I am nobody, but I lived and worked in Chicago, and trust me, it was the same story but it wasn't the Mafia, it was the Organization or the Mob or the Syndicate because not Silician. Equal opportuity employer except only white and mostly Italian but plenty of Polacks, Irish, you name it. It is amazing to me that he is as clean as he is. The man is 74 years old, he has grown children, a child, grandchildren etc, he treated his exs with respect, nobody starved, his grown children seem like he was a very good father, so he screwed some tramps - heck, so have I. Human. At this point, we are to turn over our country to the Pol Pot Red Diaper babies because our current leader is not perfect? Is that the deal? Better a slave than support somebody that is less than perfect? And this BS that he is "one of them" faking us out - I don't buy it. He is no Jesus. He won't die on the cross for our previous sins. I don't know that I would have the balls to do some of the stuff he has done the last three years. He has the constant threat of ghost of Kennedy and Reagan hanging over him, in fact at this point I feel he has a 50/50 chance of being murdered before the election. Why would a rich old man with that huge family take on all this slander and evil so he can make a few bux more? MAKE ZERO SENSE TO ME. Everybody wants him to do this or do that or whatever. But these things they want him to do, he cannot do alone without being a dictator, but everybody is demanding he do it, while at the same time they are calling him a Dictator and comparing him to Hitler. You can't have it both ways. Kennedy tried to change shit and they gunned him down in the street as an example to the WHOLE WORLD. Reagan barely got started and they tried to gun his ass down, I am positive his wife made him bow down to Bush, she loved him in the classic sense, she didn't care about America, she wanted her husband to live. I guess he realized he could either die and break the heart of the love of his life while accomplishing nothing but being a symbol, or see the writing on the wall. HE WAS HUMAN.

When you find the new perfect Jesus Constitutional Savior, let me know and I'll get behind him or her 100%. Until then I will live in reality and support the only guy who managed to change anything at all, no matter how little. He dam sure turned on the kitchen light at 3:00 am in a Chicago Slum flat and exposed the thousands of cockroaches scurrying around for everybody WHO DIDN'T HAVE A CLUE HOW BAD IT IS. If that is all he manages to do he did more than all the other assholes combined.

God Bless America, the land that I love.
 

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The other side to that chart is that if people think they'll die they might actually do something. Under Trump, they go to sleep and think to themselves, 'Trump will take care of everything'.

A perfect example is this very thread. If Obama had suggested delaying the election people would be howling and the ammo shelves would be empty. Trump suggests it, and the response is, 'He's just joking'. How do you really know he's just joking? How do you know Trump wasn't selected by the shadow government to start a civil war, or to pave the way for a Leftist dictator after Trump?

It would be a lot better if we would just stick to principles and limitations on government powers.
Because he's spent the last 4+ years doing exactly that...saying preposterous things that the "resistance" then howls for weeks about and nothing happens.
 

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I agree that we disagree in many ways, but we want the same thing most likely. Mr. Trump is a very busy man if he is personally responsible for all the crap you just threw on him. Again, I don't even like the guy. Ever run a business? The more employees you have the harder it is to control what goes on, to the point if it gets too big you can't really directly control anything. Like steering a battleship using a wooden oar. He is no saint by any means, he is a human being who is from an entirely different background than mine, and I assume you. It is kind of amazing he isn't corrupt like a Rockefeller. We know he knew real mobsters, no way he didn't do business with them, he was in the NYC construction racket so he had to have been elbow to elbow with them. I don't mean that as a slander or to toss mud, but how the else can you do anything in a city like NY? I am nobody, but I lived and worked in Chicago, and trust me, it was the same story but it wasn't the Mafia, it was the Organization or the Mob or the Syndicate because not Silician. Equal opportuity employer except only white and mostly Italian but plenty of Polacks, Irish, you name it. It is amazing to me that he is as clean as he is. The man is 74 years old, he has grown children, a child, grandchildren etc, he treated his exs with respect, nobody starved, his grown children seem like he was a very good father, so he screwed some tramps - heck, so have I. Human. At this point, we are to turn over our country to the Pol Pot Red Diaper babies because our current leader is not perfect? Is that the deal? Better a slave than support somebody that is less than perfect? And this BS that he is "one of them" faking us out - I don't buy it. He is no Jesus. He won't die on the cross for our previous sins. I don't know that I would have the balls to do some of the stuff he has done the last three years. He has the constant threat of ghost of Kennedy and Reagan hanging over him, in fact at this point I feel he has a 50/50 chance of being murdered before the election. Why would a rich old man with that huge family take on all this slander and evil so he can make a few bux more? MAKE ZERO SENSE TO ME. Everybody wants him to do this or do that or whatever. But these things they want him to do, he cannot do alone without being a dictator, but everybody is demanding he do it, while at the same time they are calling him a Dictator and comparing him to Hitler. You can't have it both ways. Kennedy tried to change shit and they gunned him down in the street as an example to the WHOLE WORLD. Reagan barely got started and they tried to gun his ass down, I am positive his wife made him bow down to Bush, she loved him in the classic sense, she didn't care about America, she wanted her husband to live. I guess he realized he could either die and break the heart of the love of his life while accomplishing nothing but being a symbol, or see the writing on the wall. HE WAS HUMAN.

When you find the new perfect Jesus Constitutional Savior, let me know and I'll get behind him or her 100%. Until then I will live in reality and support the only guy who managed to change anything at all, no matter how little. He dam sure turned on the kitchen light at 3:00 am in a Chicago Slum flat and exposed the thousands of cockroaches scurrying around for everybody WHO DIDN'T HAVE A CLUE HOW BAD IT IS. If that is all he manages to do he did more than all the other assholes combined.

God Bless America, the land that I love.
Well said.