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Driver of autonomous Uber which killed homeless petty criminal in Arizona is a convicted felon who did not slow down when the woman 'suddenly stepped out in front of her'
  • Rafaela Vasquez, 44, was in control of the self-driving Volvo SUV on Sunday
  • She is one of Uber's 'safety drivers' and is a safeguard for the self-driving car
  • Vasquez spent four years in prison for armed robbery and was released in 2005
  • She told police she did not see Elaine Herzberg, 49, until it was too late
  • Herzberg walked out in front of the vehicle with her bag-laden bicycle
  • Videos taken by cameras mounted on the Uber support her story, police say
  • No one has been charged yet but the investigation into her death is ongoing


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To be sure, Moir said a finding that the car itself was at fault could open up a legal can of worms.
WTF, they blame guns, don't they ??? Ban driverless cars, they are obviously "assault vehicle" killers !

On a serious note, I truly was waiting for something like this to happen, it just came much sooner than I thought it would.
 

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"It is dangerous to cross roadways in the evening hour when well-illuminated, managed crosswalks are available," she said.
Yea, especially if you're dumb enough to step right in front of a moving vehicle.
 

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On a serious note, I truly was waiting for something like this to happen, it just came much sooner than I thought it would.
Of course stuff like this was/is gonna happen. IMHO, it's not a big deal, at all.

While some fret over the idea of a self driving car hitting and killing someone, that same scenario happens more than a dozen times everyday with human controlled cars, and no one other than those directly affected give two craps about it. Each year over 5000 pedestrians, on average, are struck and killed in the US alone.

This uber accident is a non-issue.
 

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IMHO, it's not a big deal, at all.
Until it happens to you or a loved one !
What bothers me is the "blame game", just opposite from guns !
 

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Until it happens to you or a loved one !
Most definitely!
...but that still leaves the fact that it is a risk that most everyone is ok with, because most everyone recognizes in their own lives the utility of driving.


What bothers me is the "blame game", just opposite from guns !
That's because most people do not own guns and therefore see no utility in having one themselves.
...and if one cannot see utility of a given thing in their own lives, what are the odds that they'll see a need for that thing in your life?


When most people do a thing, it's seen as being a perfectly fine thing to do. When only a minority of the people do something, it's easily vilified and seen as something to be controlled regulated and taxed.
...and/or even prohibited.

Ie: Tyranny of the majority.
 

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Most definitely!
...but that still leaves the fact that it is a risk that most everyone is ok with, because most everyone recognizes in their own lives the utility of driving.


That's because most people do not own guns and therefore see no utility in having one themselves.
...and if one cannot see utility of a given thing in their own lives, what are the odds that they'll see a need for that thing in your life?


When most people do a thing, it's seen as being a perfectly fine thing to do. When only a minority of the people do something, it's easily vilified and seen as something to be controlled regulated and taxed.
...and/or even prohibited.

Ie: Tyranny of the majority.
Joe, you just described a democracy, we are still a Republic, even if most people don't know it !
 

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Joe, you just described a democracy, we are still a Republic, even if most people don't know it !
Just sayin', that's how it works. Look at smoking for example, Was a time one could smoke virtually anywhere and if someone complained, they were looked at as the troublemaker. That's because so many people did it. Now that barely 20% of the population smokes cigs, tons of restrictions and big taxes. Had they tried that crap 50 years ago, it'd have never flown.
 

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Just sayin', that's how it works. Look at smoking for example, Was a time one could smoke virtually anywhere and if someone complained, they were looked at as the troublemaker. That's because so many people did it. Now that barely 20% of the population smokes cigs, tons of restrictions and big taxes. Had they tried that crap 50 years ago, it'd have never flown.
Joe, you just picked my biggest pet peeve, I hate cigarette smoke ! I remember, back in 1968, the Heart Association showing a non-smokers lung (pink) & a smokers lung (black), but people didn't give a shit & later the cigarette companies LIED to congress about cigarettes not being addictive, when in fact they were putting addictive chemicals in the cigarettes. AND nobody still gave a shit !! Those cigarette exec's should have gone to prison for perjury.
You are right, the general population is as dumb as a pet rock ! I don't agree with the laws & taxes, that is wrong, but if education does not succeed, then what is left ? Laws & taxes are the easy way for the gov. to look like they are doing something, and they are, they are profiting from the pet rocks !

That's because most people do not own guns and therefore see no utility in having one themselves.
...and if one cannot see utility of a given thing in their own lives, what are the odds that they'll see a need for that thing in your life?


Absolutely correct & equally sad. AND as WE ALL know, guns are protected by the 2ND Amend. Yet the pet rocks are swayed (controlled) by higher powers to demonstrate & legislate AGAINST a CONSTITUTIONALLY protected right. WTF !!!
So, back to the subject: driverless cars & the responsibility of same. I enjoy driving & I am against these driverless cars, they just don't make sense to me. BUT I am not going to go out & demonstrate against them, I figure they will kill themselves as soon as they have killed a few more people. Driverless cars are in our future, they are just pushing too hard right now.
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EXCLUSIVE: 'Safety driver' of self-driving Uber which killed pedestrian had string of traffic offenses as well as a felony - but was given OK by Uber to be part of high-profile pilot scheme
  • Rafaela Vasquez was the 'safety driver' of the autonomous Uber that hit and killed Elaine Herzburg, 49, in Tempe, Arizona on Sunday
  • DailyMail.com can disclose Vasquez had been hit with a string of moving violations such as failing to stop at a red light and speeding, in recent years
  • She was cited for driving with a suspended license in 2008 and again in 2009
  • Uber applies same standard for self-driving car hires as for regular Uber drivers of no more than three minor moving driving offenses in last three years
  • Vasquez was also revealed to have had felony convictions for attempted armed robbery for which she served more than three years in prison in 2001
  • Uber had not disclosed her lengthy history of driving offenses in its public statements about the death
  • The company issued a statement referring to its hiring policy stating, 'Everyone deserves a fair chance'


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DailyMail.com can disclose Vasquez had been hit with a string of moving violations such as failing to stop at a red light and speeding, in recent years
Yea, that's pretty stupid. Considering the high profile nature of this self driving car stuff, you'd think their priority would have been to have safety drivers with a long history of driving, along with an impeccable driving record.
....but apparently diversity is the deciding factor for them?
 

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EXCLUSIVE: 'Safety driver' of self-driving Uber which killed pedestrian had string of traffic offenses as well as a felony - but was given OK by Uber to be part of high-profile pilot scheme
  • Rafaela Vasquez was the 'safety driver' of the autonomous Uber that hit and killed Elaine Herzburg, 49, in Tempe, Arizona on Sunday
  • DailyMail.com can disclose Vasquez had been hit with a string of moving violations such as failing to stop at a red light and speeding, in recent years
  • She was cited for driving with a suspended license in 2008 and again in 2009
  • Uber applies same standard for self-driving car hires as for regular Uber drivers of no more than three minor moving driving offenses in last three years
  • Vasquez was also revealed to have had felony convictions for attempted armed robbery for which she served more than three years in prison in 2001
  • Uber had not disclosed her lengthy history of driving offenses in its public statements about the death
  • The company issued a statement referring to its hiring policy stating, 'Everyone deserves a fair chance'
This is deemed as "safe" ??? What kind of crap is this ? If this is a "safety driver" what in the name of.... would they call an "unsafe driver" ???
 

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So, was it avoidable? Arizona police release dashcam footage showing moment female pedestrian was killed walking across poorly-lit road by self-driving Uber car that DIDN'T brake
  • WARNING: GRAPHIC FOOTAGE. VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED
  • Police released footage on Wednesday of dash cam from Uber self-driving car
  • Car was driving 38mph along Tempe road when it hit a pedestrian on Sunday
  • The speed limit was 45mph and the car made no attempt to slow down or stop
  • Elaine Herzberg, 49, was killed in the collision as she crossed the street
  • Rafaela Vasquez was responsible for controlling car if something went wrong
  • Vasquez, 44, told police she was alert and could not have prevented tragedy
  • In seconds leading up to collision, Vasquez is seen looking down and to the side


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5529453/Video-shows-moment-pedestrian-killed-self-driving-Uber-car.html#ixzz5ATCopbuA
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So, was it avoidable?
I don't believe a human driver in a regular car could have avoided hitting her, but it seems as though the car should have been able to see her. Because the woman was in the road where the cars sensors would presumably be "looking" for obstacles. I thought she had stepped off the curb in front of the car, but she was crossing the other way.
That said, she was still crossing in a bad place that legally speaking, she should not have been crossing at. So at least some of the responsibility should be hers.
...and again, after seeing the vid, I can't imagine many human drivers not having hit her either. It was only 2 seconds. What's the average persons reaction time?
 

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Now daughter of pedestrian killed by self-driving Uber gets ready to sue - and police are preparing a report which could lead to prosecution

  • Christine Paredes, whose mom Elaine Herzberg, was struck and killed by a self-driving Uber, has retained a law firm, opening the way for landmark litigation
  • Herzberg was crossing the road in Tempe, AZ, at night when the automated Volvo XC-90 hit her
  • Cops initially said nothing could have stopped her death but now it has emerged they are preparing a report for the Maricopa County prosecutor


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Uber's self-driving cars were 400 TIMES worse than Waymo's and struggled to meet safety goals in tests before the fatal Arizona crash

  • According to a company document, Uber was struggling to meet safety goals
  • Uber's cars were unable to reach 13 miles (21km) without intervention
  • Cars made by the Google subsidiary Waymo could drive 5,600 miles (9,000km)
  • The CEO of Waymo said the recent death of a pedestrian would not have occurred with his company's technology


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  • Uber's cars were unable to reach 13 miles (21km) without intervention

  • Cars made by the Google subsidiary Waymo could drive 5,600 miles (9,000km)
That seems to say quite a lot. I mean, beyond the fact that uber obviously isn't up to speed on this stuff yet.

If you had a car that only required your intervention once every 5600 miles, that means the average drivers attention would only be required at two moments during a whole years worth of driving. The average person drives 12000 miles/year. Give it a few years and that number will have another zero added to the other two zeros. Maybe two of 'em.
...and that's what it'll take to get people to trust these things. To have it shown that they can be driven for many many thousands of miles without incident.
 

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EXCLUSIVE: Uber secretly ditched having two engineers up front in its self-driving cars - and replaced them with solo felons and ex-Pizza Hut managers with three weeks training

  • Rideshare giant Uber's self-driving car program is under scrutiny after one of its Volvos killed a pedestrian in Tempe, Arizona
  • Homeless Elaine Herzberg, 49, died on March 18 after walking in front of a self-driving car which had Rafaela Vasquez, 44, as its sole 'safety driver'
  • Now DailyMail.com reveals how when they launched their scheme Uber said there were two engineers up front - but ditched that without telling anyone
  • Now the cars are controlled by 'safety drivers' who receive three weeks of training and sign gag orders stopping them from talking about what happens
  • None of the drivers are required to have an engineering or technical background, but all must pass a manual driving exam and a background check


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GM self-driving car gets PULLED OVER by police and slapped with a ticket in San Francisco after getting 'too close' to a pedestrian

  • GM Cruise car was spotted being pulled over and ticketed by police last week
  • Police said the car did not properly yield, and was too close to pedestrian
  • But, Cruise says car's data show it was 10.8 ft from the pedestrian at the time
  • Incident happened just a day after a woman was killed by an autonomous Uber


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Police said the car did not properly yield, and was too close to pedestrian,....but Cruise says car's data show it was 10.8 ft from the pedestrian at the time
If that's true, then that's almost one full lane width. Which seems like it would be sufficient. Hopefully we'll get to see video on this one too.
 

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Uber reaches settlement with family of the homeless woman who was fatally hit by a self-driving car

  • Elaine Herzberg, 49, was killed when she was hit by a self-driving Uber vehicle
  • Herzberg crossed street in Tempe, Arizona earlier this month when she was hit
  • Uber reached an agreement with Herzberg's family for an undisclosed sum
  • Uber put self-driving car testing programs on hold following the fatality


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REVEALED: Tesla involved in crash that killed driver WAS on autopilot after victim's family say he complained about the technology veering toward VERY SAME safety barrier he smashed into

  • Walter Huang, 38, did not have his hands on the steering wheel for six seconds before his fatal Tesla crash on March 23
  • But according to Huang's family, the Mountain View resident complained 'before' the accident about the car's autopilot feature
  • His brother claims that Huang had reportedly gone in 'seven to ten' times to voice his concerns
  • The Apple engineer would assert that the vehicle was veering toward the very same safety barrier when he took it into the dealership


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Apple wants to transform self-driving car interiors into virtual reality ‘entertainment hubs’ that let you play games while you're being driven around

  • Windows of cars would be replaced with screens that show a variety of scenes
  • Patent reveals options could include hang-gliding and fighting off zombies
  • The movement of the car would be incorporated into the visual display


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BAKU - In the first known fatal accident involving an autonomous vehicle, a car from Uber's self-driving test program struck and killed a pedestrian on March 19. The accident highlights concerns over safety regulations and it could alter the behaviour of designers, lawmakers and public opinion, which could contribute to the delay in the development of automated technology. However, the mainstream adoption of autonomous vehicles is inevitable, and it will profoundly change the workplace, transportation and society as a whole.

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Grieving widow of Tesla crash victim plans to sue and breaks silence to say he had previously complained about car's Autopilot at the same barrier he collided into and died

  • Walter Huang died on March 23, when his Tesla Model X crashed into a barrier in Mountain View, California
  • His widow, Sevonne, is now planning to sue the company
  • She says that her husband had complained about the car's Autopilot feature veering towards the same barrier on several previous occasions
  • Tesla has blamed Walter for the crash, saying his hands were off the wheel despite repeated warnings to take back control of the car


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Pentagon boasts it will beat Tesla and Uber in the race to develop self driving vehicles with autonomous tanks to deliver food and fuel on the battlefield

  • Officials told Capitol Hill they will have self driving vehicles on the battlefield before they hit roads
  • Says the technology in them will be the same as used on the roads
  • Tech firms have come under fire from their own employees for working on military contracts


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Pentagon boasts it will beat Tesla and Uber in the race to develop self driving vehicles with autonomous tanks to deliver food and fuel on the battlefield

  • Officials told Capitol Hill they will have self driving vehicles on the battlefield before they hit roads
  • Says the technology in them will be the same as used on the roads
  • Tech firms have come under fire from their own employees for working on military contracts


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Problem with self driving vehicles, whether they are tanks or not, is that they are predictable. Predictability on the battlefield means your destruction. Autonomous tank/vehicle equals RPG or ATW target practice, at best; at worst, it becomes a resupply vehicle for a tech savvy enemy.
 

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The Leader In The Self-Driving Vehicle Race Isn't Uber Or Tesla: It's The Pentagon

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Thu, 05/03/2018 - 14:35


With all of the hype about autonomous driving focused on companies like Uber and Tesla, one big name has been left off the list of consideration in the public spotlight: the United States Government. And, it turns out with companies like Uber seeing self-driving fatalities causing major pushback in implementation of public testing, the government is the one leading the self-driving race.

Monday morning Bloomberg reported that the Pentagon could be the first to win the race to implement useful autonomous driving. Bloomberg reported:

Forget Uber, Waymo and Tesla: the next big name in self-driving vehicles could be the Pentagon.​
“We’re going to have self-driving vehicles in theater for the Army before we’ll have self-driving cars on the streets,” Michael Griffin, the undersecretary of defense for research and engineering, told lawmakers at a hearing on Capitol Hill this month. “But the core technologies will be the same.”​

The implementation of autonomous driving on the battlefield is an easier landscape to work with than roadways, as there are no traffic lights or roadsigns to worry about if you're just trying to just get supplies from point A to point B.




This makes autonomous vehicles a potentially lifesaving and wildly good idea for war zones - the delivering of things like medical supplies and food on the battlefield are a perfect fit:

The stakes for the military are high. According to Griffin, 52 percent of casualties in combat zones can been attributed to military personnel delivering food, fuel and other logistics. Removing people from that equation with systems run on artificial intelligence could reduce injuries and deaths significantly, he added.
“You’re in a very vulnerable position when you’re doing that kind of activity,” Griffin said. “If that can be done by an automated unmanned vehicle with a relatively simple AI driving algorithm where I don’t have to worry about pedestrians and road signs and all of that, why wouldn’t I do that?”​

On top of that, the federal government has a much larger budget than any one company working on self-driving. The Pentagon's budget comes in around $700 billion:

With an annual budget of almost $700 billion, the Pentagon can afford to aggressively pursue autonomous vehicle technology well beyond fuel and food delivery trucks. The Army, for instance, is pushing forward with efforts to develop unmanned tanks and smarter vehicles for bomb disarmament, though many of those technologies will be remote-controlled, not autonomous.​
Major Alan L. Stephens, an officer at the Mounted Requirements Division of the U.S. Army Maneuver Center of Excellence in Georgia, said in December that the Army wants to start testing light, fast remote-controlled tanks with the same firepower as the current 70-plus-ton manned M1 Abrams tank within the next five years.​
BAE Systems Plc, the maker of the Army’s manned Armored Multi-Purpose Vehicle, also makes unmanned vehicles known as the Ironclad and the Armed Robotic Combat Vehicle. The Ironclad, which looks like a miniature tank missing a gun turret, is expected to have roles in reconnaissance, evacuations of injured personnel and explosive ordnance disposal, according to the London-based company’s website.​





However, their enormous budget doesn't mean that they are not going to be working with companies already developing this technology. Other companies may wind up with a chunk of the government's $700 billion plus budget to help contribute to the project's development:

“The regulatory structure here in the U.S. and the countries where the U.S. may be sending troops are very different,” Stanley said. “How autonomous vehicles are going to be regulated -- in terms of safety, cybersecurity, privacy and liability -- those are going to be critical issues” the Pentagon will have to address as well, she added.​
The Pentagon has a long history of support that helped to develop or refine key technologies that become widespread later, including space flight and the internet.​
Griffin said the Pentagon “absolutely must leverage” what private companies are doing to develop self-driving cars, though he didn’t mention any by name and his office declined to comment when asked for more details about the Pentagon’s plans.
The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, which Griffin oversees, has been funding research into self-driving cars for years and sponsored its first competition for the vehicles in 2004.​
“The military is very eager to learn and build upon what’s been done commercially as opposed to try to reinvent and do it themselves,” said RAND’s Stanley.
The Navy is also already looking into unmanned underwater vessels, with companies like Lockheed and Boeing competing for these contracts:

Offshore, the Navy is seeking help developing technology for the next generation of large and extra-large unmanned underwater vehicles to incorporate artificial intelligence so they can handle navigation hazards such as deep-draft commercial ship traffic, fishing activities, marine mammals and prospecting for oil, gas or minerals. Lockheed Martin Corp. and Boeing Co., the largest and second-largest U.S. contractors, are competing on the program, with a critical design review scheduled for December.​
Not all companies already working on AI and self-driving seem excited about being a part of the government's plan, however. It was reported that employees at Google have already protested allowing the government to use the company's AI technology:

Thousands of employees at Alphabet’s Google recently demanded an end to deals letting the military use the company’s artificial intelligence technology. Mattis visited Google headquarters in Mountain View, California, last year to discuss with executives the best ways to use AI, cloud computing and cybersecurity for the Pentagon.​
Among critics’ concerns is the potential development of autonomous weapons that make their own life-and-death targeting decisions. Ash Carter, who was defense secretary under President Barack Obama, told a Silicon Valley audience in 2016 that “in the matter of the use of lethal force, there will always be -- at least speaking for the United States -- a human being involved in decision making.”​
Charles Dunlap, a retired Air Force major general who’s now a law professor at Duke University, said companies will come under “enormous pressure” as they sort out these issues and try to make sure their artificial intelligence products for the military don’t put people in danger.​
We reported back in late March that Nvidia had suspended its self-driving tests, shortly after Uber did the same following a fatal accident. This came just weeks after one of Ford's self-driving prototypes also sent two people to the hospital in an accident. While a certain precursor seems to be in place for the Pentagon to roll out autonomous driving onto the battlefield, it's ultimately still a project at the hands of the government and that means we won’t be surprised if it takes longer to implement than expected, costs more than estimated or never sees the light of day to begin with.

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Toyota builds a new autonomous car test site in Michigan so engineers can avoid public roads after a woman was killed by a self-driving Uber in March

  • Facility at Michigan Technical Resource Park is centered around a 1.75-mile track
  • Also four-lane highway and stretch of road resembling busy urban environment
  • Opens in October and will be used for scenarios too dangerous for public roads


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Should self driving cars be programmed to sacrifice their passengers? New study calls for 'urgent' debate over the ethics of autonomous vehicles

  • Traffic accidents are responsible for over a million deaths each year, and self-driving cars offer a potential solution by eliminating human errors
  • A study has found that technology has advanced faster than ethical discussions
  • Humans will choose to sacrifice themselves over others and minimize loss of life
  • Ethics commission proposes that a passenger in the vehicle may not be sacrificed to save more people; an intuition not shared by subjects in experiment


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Elon Musk rejected plan to add eye-tracking technology that ensured Tesla drivers were looking at the road because it was 'ineffective'

  • Tesla considered adding eye tracking to its cars, the Wall Street Journal reported
  • It would alert drivers to keep their eyes on the road and reduce car accidents
  • But Tesla executives, including CEO Elon Musk, reportedly ultimately decided against it, saying it was too costly, ineffective and annoying for drivers


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What to do if a self-driving car gets in an accident: Waymo submits 41-page protocol for first responders ahead of plans to test on roads WITHOUT a driver behind the wheel

  • Waymo gave a 41-page protocol to CA DMV before testing driverless vehicles
  • The company wants authorities to call Waymo, immobilize the vehicle and protect its autonomous tech in case of an accident with one of its 52 minivans
  • Waymo has been testing free self-driving car scheme in Phoenix since April 2017


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Apple teams up with Volkswagen to create a fleet of self-driving vans that will haul employees around its 'spaceship' campus

  • Apple has finally found an automotive partner to help it develop self-driving cars
  • It has partnered up with VW after being rebuffed by both BMW and Mercedes
  • The programme will convert T6 transporter vans into autonomous shuttle buses
  • Apple will use the vehicles to ferry employees around its large campuses


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Self-driving Uber 'saw mother-of-two pedestrian but did not brake before it hit her and killed her', NTSB report finds

  • The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) said emergency braking maneuvers are not enabled while Uber's cars are under computer control
  • And the reason is 'to reduce the potential for erratic vehicle behavior'
  • In the crash in March, the driver began steering less than a second before impact but did not brake until less than a second after impact
  • Uber said in a statement that it has worked closely with the NTSB and is doing an internal review of its self-driving vehicle program


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Data from wrecked Tesla vehicle confirms car ACCELERATED moments before plowing into the back of firetruck leaving two injured

  • Model S electric vehicle picked up speed for 3.5 seconds before it smashed a firetruck in Salt Lake City earlier this month
  • The car, which was on autopilot, was travelling 97 kph when it made impact with the truck compared to the 89 kph it registered just seconds before the crash
  • Driver of the Tesla was left with a broken foot and a fireman was treated for whiplash at the scene
  • Tesla CEO Elon Musk claimed on Twitter at the time his cars were safe as the 29-year-old woman driving the Tesla didn't DIE


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"Why Do They Keep Doing It?" Tesla On Autopilot Crashes Into Parked Laguna Beach Cop Car
This was "driver" error. Autopilot is for highway driving only. The oftentimes idiot human in the car is still the biggest problem with most cars.


Edited to add: Where not to use Autopilot

There is no lower speed limit, but Autopilot is designed for highway use, so never use it on other roads. Tesla makes this clear and advises that the Autopilot system should not be used on secondary roads, meaning anything with intersections, traffic lights, or unmarked or inconsistently marked lanes.

The system is also best suited for wider highways with four or more lanes. Two-lane roads, even clearly marked ones, make it too easy for the car to veer off slightly into oncoming traffic, which requires quick driver reflexes to compensate. Furthermore, there are often stationary obstructions, such as double-parked trucks, on secondary roads. And Tesla specifically warns that such objects may not be detected by the Traffic-Aware Cruise Control and could cause an accident.

Two-lane highways, and highways like the one where Brown had his fatal accident, also have too many intersections and entry points. A vehicle suddenly turning into the road or turning across your lane may not be detected in time for the vehicle to stop. You, the driver, have to stay aware and anticipate such events.

https://www.tomsguide.com/us/how-to-use-tesla-autopilot,review-3870.html

The road the wreck happened on is a surface road with all the stuff you're not supposed to use autopilot around, but hey, let's blame the car. lol
 
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Unsafe At Any Speed Redux, Self-Driving Cars, and Legal Liability

Posted on May 31, 2018 by Jerri-Lynn Scofield

By Jerri-Lynn Scofield, who has worked as a securities lawyer and a derivatives trader. She now spends much of her time in Asia and is currently working on a book about textile artisans.

A piece in today’s Ars Technica, Senators probe driverless car testing amid lax Trump oversight, highlights an effort by two Democratic Senators, Richard Blumenthal, and Edward Markey, to learn more about how companies test self-driving vehicles on public roads:

In the last couple of years, companies like Uber, Waymo, and GM’s Cruise have been testing more and more self-driving vehicles on public roads. Yet important details about those tests have been kept secret.
Two Democratic senators are determined to change that. Last Friday, they sent out letters to 26 car and technology companies seeking details about their testing activities—part of a broader investigation into the safety of driverless vehicles. [Jerri-Lynn here: the complete text of the letter sent to Uber can be found in the previous link. The companies the letter was sent to can be found in this Markey press release.]​

The Ars Technica piece notes that some of the requested information has already been provided to regulators in California– which regulates of self-driving vehicles somewhat more stringently than do other states, such as Arizona, for instance– where extensive testing is being done and where a self-driving vehicle killed a pedestrian in March.

Other than state regulation, companies have largely been left to their own devices in constructing and implementing self-driving testing protocols, without federal oversight by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), the relevant federal regulatory authority. The agency released a preliminary report on this accident last week.

One major quibble with the Ars Technica piece is it suggests that lax oversight of by the NHTSA is a uniquely Trumpian defect:

The [NHTSA)] has broad authority to seek this kind of information from companies in the car business. But under the Trump administration, NHTSA has taken a hands-off approach. Companies have been free to test self-driving cars on public roads without significant federal oversight.
NHTSA’s primary transparency effort has been to ask companies to voluntarily submit “safety reports” detailing the safety features of their vehicles and how those vehicle deal with a number of safety issues.
But as far as we know, only two companies—Waymo and Cruise—have submitted safety reports to NHTSA. And while these reports do provide a significant amount of information about their testing programs, they are fundamentally marketing documents. Unsurprisingly, for example, they don’t include information about “concerns raised by employees about your company’s safety protocols.” By explicitly asking for this kind of information, the senators could help bring to light potential problems with companies’ testing programs—and perhaps help prevent another avoidable deadly crash.​

Ineffective Auto Safety Regulation Long Predates Trump
First, as I discussed in this post from last year, Unsafe at Any Speed Redux: Pinto and Takata Recalls Compared, auto safety has for at least fifty years been woefully deficient in the US– long before Ralph Nader published Unsafe at Any Speed: The Designed-In Dangers of the American Automobile, in 1965. My earlier post discusses how Congress has largely eschewed effective criminal penalties for auto safety defects and also mentions some of the NHTSA’s well-known deficiencies– some of which were harshly discussed in a a report issued by the Department of Tramsportation’s Inspector General in June 2015 (see INADEQUATE DATA AND ANALYSIS UNDERMINE NHTSA’S EFFORTS TO IDENTIFY AND INVESTIGATE VEHICLE SAFETY CONCERNS).Both publications long predate Trump taking office.

Despite this sad and sorry history of inadequate federal oversight, I certainly hope the Markey/Blumenthal effort shakes out some information on the testing procedures companies are using to assess their self-driving vehicles– although I’m not holding my breath. In fact, to the extent that Congress has concerned itself with self-driving vehicles at all, the emphasis has been more on reducing corporate accountability, rather than on making sure companies hold themselves to transparency and safety standards.

Mandatory Arbitration and Self-Driving Vehicles
Even more important than this basic transparency issue is the extent to which self-driving car companies will be able to limit legal liability via mandatory arbitration clauses. The House last year passed legislation to exempt self-driving car companies from lawsuits, and instead require mandatory arbitration, according to CNN Tech, Loophole would protect self-driving car companies from lawsuits. A related measure, The AV START Act, measure has been unanimously reported out of the Senate Commerce, Science, and Transportation Committee; the full Senate has yet to take action. If such legislation is passed, it would reduce the deterrent effect that possible lawsuits might have on self-driving car companies.

On the Senate side, there’s no unanimity on the mandatory arbitration issue; the Detroit Free Press reports ten Senators have written to companies seeking clarification on this issue in, Could self-driving car companies stop you from suing?. The ten are all Democrats and include Markey and Blumenthal.

Regular readers know that mandatory arbitration is a key priority for business interests that seek to escape legal liability. Companies include “voluntary” clauses in their contracts, and consumers or potential employees have no choice but to comply– if they want to avail themselves of the service, product, or job. Agreeing to mandatory arbitration means surrendering the ability to participate in litigation, such as class actions.

The financial industry recently succeeded in invoking Congressional Review Act (CRA) procedures to overturn the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau’s ban on mandatory arbitration clauses in consumer financial contracts (as I discussed most recently here; the post links to my previous discussions of mandatory arbitration as well as the CRA). The United States Supreme Court has upheld such clauses in a string of cases, the most recent being this month’s Epic Systems v. Lewis, a 5-4 decision upholding such clauses in a major employment law ruling. In April, the Court added another Federal Arbitration Act case to next term’s docket, Lamps Plus Inc. v Varela. The trend of these cases suggests that if Congress were to exempt self-driving companies from litigation, this use of mandatory arbitration clauses would be upheld (absent a major shift in the Court’s composition).

With legal challenges unlikely to overturn such clauses, the best hope– albeit, perhaps a forlorn one– is to fight such clauses at the political level. With self-driving vehicles, Ralph Nader– at 84 years old– is still on the case, according to CNN:

“Going back 50 years, I’ve never seen a more brazen attempt to escape the rule of safety law, and the role of the courts to be accessible to their victims,” longtime consumer advocate Ralph Nader told CNN. “With their unproven, secretive technology that’s fully hackable, the autonomous vehicle industry wants to close the door on federal safety protection and close the door to the court room.”​

Will they succeed? On mandatory arbitration, alas, I hope the answer is no, but fear it will be yes.

This entry was posted in Auto industry, Banana republic, Legal, Regulations and regulators, Ridiculously obvious scams on May 31, 2018 by Jerri-Lynn Scofield.

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2018/05/unsafe-speed-redux-self-driving-cars-legal-liability.html