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Everything You've Ever Seen About Cuba Is A Lie (14 min 08 sec):


Published on Feb 3, 2020 by Turning Point USA​
60 years ago, Communists seized power in Cuba and all private business and industry were nationalized and the Cuban people have lived under Socialism ever since.​
Did the theft and redistribution of all wealth and property lead to prosperity and justice for the Cuban people? Many American Leftists would have you believe just that.​
Turning Point USA traveled to Cuba to investigate the true realities of what a generation of full Socialism has done to the once-thriving Cuban population.​
 

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They got some things right. The people there are some of the warmest and friendliest on the planet. Even with all the poverty there is still very little crime. More in Havana than in the countryside.

I'd be happy to do a full write up on Cuba from my perspective.......My initial impression is why are you renting a car on your first trip to Cuba? Why are you bringing so much video equipment ? 7 hrs to enter the country? Yup thats what happens when you enter a communist country to do a documentary. I'm sure they didn't have permission to do the documentary and only a small amount of research would have shown them the errors of their ways.
Police knocking on the door? Yep, same reason as above, your filming an illegal documentary.
Like it or not, you have left the US and entered another country and you are subject to their laws, not your homes. This is the same in any country. In some countries you have more rights than others.
If I did a documentary on the US and only filmed in shithole dilapidated places like detroit you might get the wrong idea about the US too. I know where some of these places in the Video are. They are beachfront property and the views are spectacular. The buildings aren't run down from neglect. They were never completed in the first place. They were supposed to be hotels and the investors walked away because the Cuban Gov got greedy. Always wanting more money and a bigger piece of the pie.
My last trip there was 2006 so things have probably changed for the worse since then.

No video from the nicer places in Havana. There are newer areas and wealthier areas that are very nice. Presidents way,(5th avenue) is very nice. You would think you were driving in Miami in many parts of it. The area where the diplomats all have homes is also very nice as is Old Havana and the capital area where the capital building is. It's not Redeo drive but it isn't as bad as these guys make it out to be.

Outside of Havana they would be appalled at the living conditions. Metal roofs and houses with no insulation. Keep in mind you could live there year round as a homeless person and probably not need a blanket very often.

There are plenty of fruits and Veg at the farmers market, Meats as well. You can also go to any hotel in Havana and get a very good meal. A bit pricey by Cuban standards but the food is decent. You will find farmers markets everywhere so it's amazing to me that they would even make that comment.

I'm not defending socialism in any way. More than anything the Cuban people want an opportunity to do more and earn more. That opportunity doesn't exist there, not because of socialism but because of an embargo thats been in place since before I was born. Although only the US and israel honor the embargo, you still have the wealthiest nation in the world 90 miles away from them and opening it up would mean a huge flow of money going into the country. More importantly, because of the embargo they have no access to credit and as we all know credit is what the world runs on nowadays.
That being said, lift the embargo and I believe Cuba would be one of the few places on the planet that could live with socialism. They have managed to stay alive for the last 60 years with the embargo in place.

I think a better way to classify Cuba is it's a country without credit. In that respect, take away the credit system around the world and Cuba would look like a utopia in 5 years compared to what everyone would do when the current system collapses. They know how to live without, the rest of the world doesn't.

One last observation, they mention how there is no food so you would expect to see a lot more starving people, instead all I saw were a bunch of people in the market, many overweight. Quite honestly, there are also way more hot women running around than they are showing in this video. :blond::blond::blond::blond:
 

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Everything You've Ever Seen About Cuba Is A Lie (14 min 08 sec):


Published on Feb 3, 2020 by Turning Point USA​
60 years ago, Communists seized power in Cuba and all private business and industry were nationalized and the Cuban people have lived under Socialism ever since.​
Did the theft and redistribution of all wealth and property lead to prosperity and justice for the Cuban people? Many American Leftists would have you believe just that.​
Turning Point USA traveled to Cuba to investigate the true realities of what a generation of full Socialism has done to the once-thriving Cuban population.​

That video should be shared far and wide. It's insane how many people want to bring that way of life to the U.S. Idiots.
 

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They got some things right. The people there are some of the warmest and friendliest on the planet. Even with all the poverty there is still very little crime. More in Havana than in the countryside.

I'd be happy to do a full write up on Cuba from my perspective.......My initial impression is why are you renting a car on your first trip to Cuba? Why are you bringing so much video equipment ? 7 hrs to enter the country? Yup thats what happens when you enter a communist country to do a documentary. I'm sure they didn't have permission to do the documentary and only a small amount of research would have shown them the errors of their ways.
Police knocking on the door? Yep, same reason as above, your filming an illegal documentary.
Like it or not, you have left the US and entered another country and you are subject to their laws, not your homes. This is the same in any country. In some countries you have more rights than others.
If I did a documentary on the US and only filmed in shithole dilapidated places like detroit you might get the wrong idea about the US too. I know where some of these places in the Video are. They are beachfront property and the views are spectacular. The buildings aren't run down from neglect. They were never completed in the first place. They were supposed to be hotels and the investors walked away because the Cuban Gov got greedy. Always wanting more money and a bigger piece of the pie.
My last trip there was 2006 so things have probably changed for the worse since then.

No video from the nicer places in Havana. There are newer areas and wealthier areas that are very nice. Presidents way,(5th avenue) is very nice. You would think you were driving in Miami in many parts of it. The area where the diplomats all have homes is also very nice as is Old Havana and the capital area where the capital building is. It's not Redeo drive but it isn't as bad as these guys make it out to be.

Outside of Havana they would be appalled at the living conditions. Metal roofs and houses with no insulation. Keep in mind you could live there year round as a homeless person and probably not need a blanket very often.

There are plenty of fruits and Veg at the farmers market, Meats as well. You can also go to any hotel in Havana and get a very good meal. A bit pricey by Cuban standards but the food is decent. You will find farmers markets everywhere so it's amazing to me that they would even make that comment.

I'm not defending socialism in any way. More than anything the Cuban people want an opportunity to do more and earn more. That opportunity doesn't exist there, not because of socialism but because of an embargo thats been in place since before I was born. Although only the US and israel honor the embargo, you still have the wealthiest nation in the world 90 miles away from them and opening it up would mean a huge flow of money going into the country. More importantly, because of the embargo they have no access to credit and as we all know credit is what the world runs on nowadays.
That being said, lift the embargo and I believe Cuba would be one of the few places on the planet that could live with socialism. They have managed to stay alive for the last 60 years with the embargo in place.

I think a better way to classify Cuba is it's a country without credit. In that respect, take away the credit system around the world and Cuba would look like a utopia in 5 years compared to what everyone would do when the current system collapses. They know how to live without, the rest of the world doesn't.

One last observation, they mention how there is no food so you would expect to see a lot more starving people, instead all I saw were a bunch of people in the market, many overweight. Quite honestly, there are also way more hot women running around than they are showing in this video. :blond::blond::blond::blond:
You bring up some very good points. I also share your view that normalizing relations with Cuba would bring a world of change, for the better, to the island. We trade with China who is definitely not our friend so I can see no reason why Cuba has been off limits for so many years for Americans. I'm glad that is changing, even if slowly.

Here's another video from 2018 of a gal's trip to Cuba on a vacation. Her experience is very different from the experience the Turning Point USA team had.

A Journey Through Cuba Documentary 2018 4K (11 min 03 sec):​
Published on Nov 8, 2018 by Adventure Calls​
 

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My understanding is that the Cubans in Miami are still pissed about losing all their companies and property in Cuba when Castro took over.. Righteous anger to be sure.
I have mixed emotions about normalizing relations as well. On the one hand it's long overdue for the embargo to go. On the other if capitalism takes over foreigners will immediately come in and buy up all the great properties and make a killing on them. The average person in Cuba will suffer while the foreigners bring the gringo prices and price them out of the very homes they were able to enjoy. It happens everywhere ex pat communities spring up overseas.
I'm really happy I made all the trips I did and it's still my favorite place in the caribbean. The people and simple way of living is the greatest treasure.
 

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Here's a question somebody might be able to answer, how did Castro and his band of merry fucktards manage to get such a foothold back in the 1950's and all under the nose of the supposed leader of the free world...?

And how in the hell hasn't the place just imploded?
 
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You bring up some very good points. I also share your view that normalizing relations with Cuba would bring a world of change, for the better, to the island. We trade with China who is definitely not our friend so I can see no reason why Cuba has been off limits for so many years for Americans. I'm glad that is changing, even if slowly.

Here's another video from 2018 of a gal's trip to Cuba on a vacation. Her experience is very different from the experience the Turning Point USA team had.

A Journey Through Cuba Documentary 2018 4K (11 min 03 sec):​
Published on Nov 8, 2018 by Adventure Calls​
Thats a really good video and much more accurate depiction of Cuba. especially Havana. Makes me wanna go even more now..
The malecon that she was filming is a great spot. On a hot summer night there will be 100's of people hanging out all night long. Some playing guitar, singing, dancing and just having a great time. It's to bad you cant find any weed there.
Anyway, at the 5:18 mark you can see the fort at the end of the malecon. Nice place to hang out and at night it's an amazing view of the entire malecon and city of Havana all lit up. I did a photo shoot with my GF at the time (Cuban girl) on the malecon. It was a few days after a hurricane and the wave were crashing over the road. Road was closed it was so bad but when the waves crashed the water went about 30 feet into the air. I had amazing photos and video of it and lost it all. I had stored it online with yahoo and then they discontinued the free storage. I really wish I had backed those up.. I also have 3 dead computers I would love to repair just to get my cuban photos off of them LOL. I'm terrible about backing shit up. I did back up to disc once and now cant find the disc. Some memories are meant just for me I guess. :).

Waking up early to coffee and a breakfast of eggs, fruit and fresh mango and orange juice. A morning cigar with more coffee (Some of the best I have ever had) music and a walk to a local park or just just a walk to people watch. Then off to a cigar store. Partagas factory is nice but theres a casa del hands on the other side of havana in a private club but your allowed in for the casa del habana store. Mons used to be the manager there but he's left long ago. Not sure who runs it now.. Anyway, they used to make a lonsdale sized cigar there that was amazing. People in the US would pay 30 bucks a pop for them. It was always my first stop to get 6 or 8 bundles made. Every one of them spoken for upon my return. Mons had worked out a code with Alejandro Robaina (The old man lighting my cigar in my profile pic), so after the tobaccos 2nd fermentation it would get bundled and Alejandro would mark which bundles were best so that when Mons went to the warehouse to select bundles for himself to make the cigars he would know which ones to choose. :). Anyway, that was a very nice way to pay for my vacations. Until I got caught of course. Then the 8400 dollar fine put a stop to my trips. Never paid it but had a lawyer take care of it for me and never heard back from the Government. I imagine the case is still open with the testy dept though so I would rather not push the issue and get caught going again. LOL.
After a visit to CDH it's off to Pelenque for a lunch of roasted pork and of course more cigars. :).
I had a cigar friend in Ottawa who basically hooked me up with his connections down there. He also ran the Ottawa blues fest every year and sponsored Elmer Ferrer to go up and play. An amazing guitarist from Cuba (I understand he lives in Toronto now). I had the pleasure of seeing him one night. Again my friend hooked me up. Elmers wife was waiting outside the auditorium for me and my "friend" As soon as she saw me she called out to me and I got to walk past the 300 or so people already waiting in line and she took me right back to drink rum with her and Elmer. Immediately it was like seeing old friends you hadn't seen in 20 years. Thats how they are in Cuba. Everyone just warm and inviting.
After my first trip I always rented a car. payment went through another country to bypass US laws. You could be driving down the road and as a single guy girls will try to stop you for a ride all the time. Great way to meet women and again they are just very warm and friendly.

Been talking about a trip down with someone else from the forum.. The scenery, the music, the warm friendly people, the architecture, so many reasons to just leave things as they are. It's like stepping back 60 years in time. It's though little things that make up the human experience that are missing from modern society with all the modern gadgets and no genuine people anymore.
 

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Here's a question somebody might be able to answer, how did Castro and his band of merry fucktards manage to get such a foothold back in the 1950's and all under the nose of the supposed leader of the free world...?

And how in the hell hasn't the place just imploded?
Batista wasn't loved down there at all so Castro was a welcome change or so they thought. Just like in the US there was corruption everywhere and only the rich had access. Thats why I have mixed emotions on all of this. The people in Miami that are pissed were probably the corrupt fucktards that were screwing everyone over. Anyway, Castro had a lot of support and ran batiste out. The wealthy also fled as they knew their days were numbered so off to Miami they went.

Russia propped them up for a long time until Russia imploded. They then went through a special period and everything had to be managed very carefully. Thats why organic food production is up and running so well now.. The diet is fairly simple. The guy in the first video was correct, you lose a lot of weight in Cuba. No excess calories. Just the basics and its a very healthy place to live. Thats why the life expectancy is as high or higher than the US. But more importantly the quality of life in those late years is much higher. Just my opinion from the elderly that i have seen there but they all seem to get around pretty well. Still working their farms and gardens well into their 70's and in the case of Alejandro Robaina, even into his 80's.
You wont find a cell tower ever 50 meters and few people have computers or cell phones outside of havana. Most don't even have a phone. There's about 1 phone for every 100-200 people out in the country and the person with the phone is usually in high standing locally so everyone has to go to their house to make a call.
People there still cook food for every meal, not many are eating out. Only the very wealthy or those with families sending money from overseas.

I guess you would have to define implode but I think things have gotten as bad as they will. They already grow most of their own food and live a very basic life. The only thing that could get worse i massive crop failures one year.
 

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It doesn't seem to be anymore "Poverty Stricken" than the rest of South/Central America in spite of the MASSIVE USA sanctions and its people are much better educated...If we took away the sanctions, they'd be number one...
 

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Thats a really good video and much more accurate depiction of Cuba. especially Havana. Makes me wanna go even more now..
The malecon that she was filming is a great spot. On a hot summer night there will be 100's of people hanging out all night long. Some playing guitar, singing, dancing and just having a great time. It's to bad you cant find any weed there.
Anyway, at the 5:18 mark you can see the fort at the end of the malecon. Nice place to hang out and at night it's an amazing view of the entire malecon and city of Havana all lit up. I did a photo shoot with my GF at the time (Cuban girl) on the malecon. It was a few days after a hurricane and the wave were crashing over the road. Road was closed it was so bad but when the waves crashed the water went about 30 feet into the air. I had amazing photos and video of it and lost it all. I had stored it online with yahoo and then they discontinued the free storage. I really wish I had backed those up.. I also have 3 dead computers I would love to repair just to get my cuban photos off of them LOL. I'm terrible about backing shit up. I did back up to disc once and now cant find the disc. Some memories are meant just for me I guess. :).

Waking up early to coffee and a breakfast of eggs, fruit and fresh mango and orange juice. A morning cigar with more coffee (Some of the best I have ever had) music and a walk to a local park or just just a walk to people watch. Then off to a cigar store. Partagas factory is nice but theres a casa del hands on the other side of havana in a private club but your allowed in for the casa del habana store. Mons used to be the manager there but he's left long ago. Not sure who runs it now.. Anyway, they used to make a lonsdale sized cigar there that was amazing. People in the US would pay 30 bucks a pop for them. It was always my first stop to get 6 or 8 bundles made. Every one of them spoken for upon my return. Mons had worked out a code with Alejandro Robaina (The old man lighting my cigar in my profile pic), so after the tobaccos 2nd fermentation it would get bundled and Alejandro would mark which bundles were best so that when Mons went to the warehouse to select bundles for himself to make the cigars he would know which ones to choose. :). Anyway, that was a very nice way to pay for my vacations. Until I got caught of course. Then the 8400 dollar fine put a stop to my trips. Never paid it but had a lawyer take care of it for me and never heard back from the Government. I imagine the case is still open with the testy dept though so I would rather not push the issue and get caught going again. LOL.
After a visit to CDH it's off to Pelenque for a lunch of roasted pork and of course more cigars. :).
I had a cigar friend in Ottawa who basically hooked me up with his connections down there. He also ran the Ottawa blues fest every year and sponsored Elmer Ferrer to go up and play. An amazing guitarist from Cuba (I understand he lives in Toronto now). I had the pleasure of seeing him one night. Again my friend hooked me up. Elmers wife was waiting outside the auditorium for me and my "friend" As soon as she saw me she called out to me and I got to walk past the 300 or so people already waiting in line and she took me right back to drink rum with her and Elmer. Immediately it was like seeing old friends you hadn't seen in 20 years. Thats how they are in Cuba. Everyone just warm and inviting.
After my first trip I always rented a car. payment went through another country to bypass US laws. You could be driving down the road and as a single guy girls will try to stop you for a ride all the time. Great way to meet women and again they are just very warm and friendly.

Been talking about a trip down with someone else from the forum.. The scenery, the music, the warm friendly people, the architecture, so many reasons to just leave things as they are. It's like stepping back 60 years in time. It's though little things that make up the human experience that are missing from modern society with all the modern gadgets and no genuine people anymore.
Very interesting! Thanks for sharing your experiences.
 

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This is NOT the super-horrible Cuban hospital video (that one is far too gross to post).

But this is clear enough to show the reality of what folks there have to deal with.

 

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Thats a really good video and much more accurate depiction of Cuba. especially Havana. Makes me wanna go even more now..
The malecon that she was filming is a great spot. On a hot summer night there will be 100's of people hanging out all night long. Some playing guitar, singing, dancing and just having a great time. It's to bad you cant find any weed there.
Anyway, at the 5:18 mark you can see the fort at the end of the malecon. Nice place to hang out and at night it's an amazing view of the entire malecon and city of Havana all lit up. I did a photo shoot with my GF at the time (Cuban girl) on the malecon. It was a few days after a hurricane and the wave were crashing over the road. Road was closed it was so bad but when the waves crashed the water went about 30 feet into the air. I had amazing photos and video of it and lost it all. I had stored it online with yahoo and then they discontinued the free storage. I really wish I had backed those up.. I also have 3 dead computers I would love to repair just to get my cuban photos off of them LOL. I'm terrible about backing shit up. I did back up to disc once and now cant find the disc. Some memories are meant just for me I guess. :).

Waking up early to coffee and a breakfast of eggs, fruit and fresh mango and orange juice. A morning cigar with more coffee (Some of the best I have ever had) music and a walk to a local park or just just a walk to people watch. Then off to a cigar store. Partagas factory is nice but theres a casa del hands on the other side of havana in a private club but your allowed in for the casa del habana store. Mons used to be the manager there but he's left long ago. Not sure who runs it now.. Anyway, they used to make a lonsdale sized cigar there that was amazing. People in the US would pay 30 bucks a pop for them. It was always my first stop to get 6 or 8 bundles made. Every one of them spoken for upon my return. Mons had worked out a code with Alejandro Robaina (The old man lighting my cigar in my profile pic), so after the tobaccos 2nd fermentation it would get bundled and Alejandro would mark which bundles were best so that when Mons went to the warehouse to select bundles for himself to make the cigars he would know which ones to choose. :). Anyway, that was a very nice way to pay for my vacations. Until I got caught of course. Then the 8400 dollar fine put a stop to my trips. Never paid it but had a lawyer take care of it for me and never heard back from the Government. I imagine the case is still open with the testy dept though so I would rather not push the issue and get caught going again. LOL.
After a visit to CDH it's off to Pelenque for a lunch of roasted pork and of course more cigars. :).
I had a cigar friend in Ottawa who basically hooked me up with his connections down there. He also ran the Ottawa blues fest every year and sponsored Elmer Ferrer to go up and play. An amazing guitarist from Cuba (I understand he lives in Toronto now). I had the pleasure of seeing him one night. Again my friend hooked me up. Elmers wife was waiting outside the auditorium for me and my "friend" As soon as she saw me she called out to me and I got to walk past the 300 or so people already waiting in line and she took me right back to drink rum with her and Elmer. Immediately it was like seeing old friends you hadn't seen in 20 years. Thats how they are in Cuba. Everyone just warm and inviting.
After my first trip I always rented a car. payment went through another country to bypass US laws. You could be driving down the road and as a single guy girls will try to stop you for a ride all the time. Great way to meet women and again they are just very warm and friendly.

Been talking about a trip down with someone else from the forum.. The scenery, the music, the warm friendly people, the architecture, so many reasons to just leave things as they are. It's like stepping back 60 years in time. It's though little things that make up the human experience that are missing from modern society with all the modern gadgets and no genuine people anymore.
It’s a pretty simple matter to pull a hard drive from an old computer and put it onto one that runs.
 

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It’s a pretty simple matter to pull a hard drive from an old computer and put it onto one that runs.
Can I go from a laptop to a desktop?
I actually have a mac now so my microsoft stuff probably wont work in this but I'd go buy a cheap 300 dollar unit from wal mart of a used PC online for cheap if I know I could salvage my old photos.
On one of my trips down there I spent a week in Havana alone just driving around taking photos of the architecture. I had 100's of photos of many different places in Havana.
 

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Can I go from a laptop to a desktop?
I actually have a mac now so my microsoft stuff probably wont work in this but I'd go buy a cheap 300 dollar unit from wal mart of a used PC online for cheap if I know I could salvage my old photos.
On one of my trips down there I spent a week in Havana alone just driving around taking photos of the architecture. I had 100's of photos of many different places in Havana.
Oh yeah. If all you’re after is pictures you might even be able to use the Mac. Can probably find a video on YouTube about how to do it. You’ll need one of the following.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=sata+ide+...s-amazon.com/images/I/41mJqEr4cwL._SL160_.jpg
 

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Can I go from a laptop to a desktop?
I actually have a mac now so my microsoft stuff probably wont work in this but I'd go buy a cheap 300 dollar unit from wal mart of a used PC online for cheap if I know I could salvage my old photos.
On one of my trips down there I spent a week in Havana alone just driving around taking photos of the architecture. I had 100's of photos of many different places in Havana.
You should be able to get an adapter on Amazon or elsewhere that will let you connect the old hard drive to your Mac via USB. The old drive will show just like any external drive and you can then copy your files off the old drive to your Mac.

Just remove the hard drive from the old computer, attach it to the adapter, the adapter connects to your Mac via USB, you should be good to go for way less than $50.

Browse this link and you will see many adapters.
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=SATA+and+IDE+Drive+to+USB+Adapter
 

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Oops. The solution was already suggested. I didn't see it before posting.
 

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Oh yeah. If all you’re after is pictures you might even be able to use the Mac. Can probably find a video on YouTube about how to do it. You’ll need one of the following.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=sata+ide+usb+adapter&t=brave&ia=shopping&iai=B000J01I1Ghttps://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41mJqEr4cwL.jpghttps://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41mJqEr4cwL._SL160_.jpg
So I can just pull the ol hard drives out and use the adapter to plug them into my mac? Holy shit. Even I may be able to do that LOL. You guys are awesome. Thank you
 

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So I can just pull the ol hard drives out and use the adapter to plug them into my mac? Holy shit. Even I may be able to do that LOL. You guys are awesome. Thank you
Yep, as ErrosionOfAccord said, there are examples on YouTube that might be helpful. Here's one:

Instructions on USB To SATA/IDE Adapters & Cables (14 min 21 sec):​
 

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You guys need to remember our government has screwed over most of the south and central American countries, that's why so many refugees are coming here. We have sanctions in place against Cuba and Venezuela and we are responsible for lowering the standard of living in those countries.
 

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Haiti, Guatemala, El Salvador are our shit stains guys...
 

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Cuba was Americas playground until the Russians came along and planted nukes there. Castro stated he would sacrifice Cuba for the cause so he was in fact his own worst enemy.
The irony of course is we now have Russia surrounded by nukes . Do as I say, not as i do type a thing.
 

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You guys need to remember our government has screwed over most of the south and central American countries, that's why so many refugees are coming here. We have sanctions in place against Cuba and Venezuela and we are responsible for lowering the standard of living in those countries.
You are partially correct. Our sanctions are not helping them, but a free society could shrug it off and keep going. Socialism drains the life out of a society. Just look at every socialist country In the world. Pick one and really look beyond the propaganda.

Which the second video that is listed here even says in the video that they were in the tourist areas, i.e controlled for propaganda.

I think Turning Point got it right.

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You are partially correct. Our sanctions are not helping them, but a free society could shrug it off and keep going. Socialism drains the life out of a society. Just look at every socialist country In the world. Pick one and really look beyond the propaganda.

Which the second video that is listed here even says in the video that they were in the tourist areas, i.e controlled for propaganda.

I think Turning Point got it right.

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I'd say it's more than simple socialism; it's also corruption and a government not held accountable by the people.
 

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You are partially correct. Our sanctions are not helping them, but a free society could shrug it off and keep going. Socialism drains the life out of a society. Just look at every socialist country In the world. Pick one and really look beyond the propaganda.

Which the second video that is listed here even says in the video that they were in the tourist areas, i.e controlled for propaganda.

I think Turning Point got it right.

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The US is a free society and during the crisis of 08 the gov came right out and said that either we give the bankers 700 billion or we have anarchy and marshall law.

Cuba is life without excesses and the US is life with every imaginable excess.

To put it a slightly different way. Cuba is the very basics of life. A roof over your head, food on the table, close knit family and circles of friends enjoying life in it's most basic forms. Don't let the poverty fool you. There's a lot of fun to be had in it's most basic form. Laughing and playing dominoes all night with a case of beer and a couple of good friends. After a week or 10 days of life in it's most basic form you start to wonder what it is your coming back to the mainland for? Go fight traffic everyday so you can make the house payment and car payment and CC payments so you can buy nice clothes so you can have a decent job and a decent wage all for the purpose of putting a roof over your head and food on the table. In the US our quality of stuff is better but what about the quality of life? Are we really living in the US or are we just paying the bills?
 

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The US is a free society and during the crisis of 08 the gov came right out and said that either we give the bankers 700 billion or we have anarchy and marshall law.

Cuba is life without excesses and the US is life with every imaginable excess.

To put it a slightly different way. Cuba is the very basics of life. A roof over your head, food on the table, close knit family and circles of friends enjoying life in it's most basic forms. Don't let the poverty fool you. There's a lot of fun to be had in it's most basic form. Laughing and playing dominoes all night with a case of beer and a couple of good friends. After a week or 10 days of life in it's most basic form you start to wonder what it is your coming back to the mainland for? Go fight traffic everyday so you can make the house payment and car payment and CC payments so you can buy nice clothes so you can have a decent job and a decent wage all for the purpose of putting a roof over your head and food on the table. In the US our quality of stuff is better but what about the quality of life? Are we really living in the US or are we just paying the bills?
I had this same feeling visiting the DR. I don’t think I was enmeshed with the public as deeply as you but I’ll not forget that the cane harvesters seemed happier than most Americans.
 

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I had this same feeling visiting the DR. I don’t think I was enmeshed with the public as deeply as you but I’ll not forget that the cane harvesters seemed happier than most Americans.
Nice.. You know what I'm talking about then.. Take away the stress of trying to eek out a living in the US and people could start to really laugh and enjoy life again.
Take away the embargo and there's suddenly 1000's of miles of coast line in Cuba to be developed for the tourist industry. I wa son one beach 2 hrs from Camaguay that was probably 2 miles long. Little coves here and there and water that was 5 shades of blue. Not a boat in sight and 1 shack selling beer and one guy walking around selling turtle sandwiches. (Taste like chicken) ....Took a walk down to the end where it round a corner and one shack up on the hill overlooking water for about 200 degrees. Couple pigs out in the yard and laundry drying on the rope outside. Rundown shack that in the US the land alone would be worth millions.
You could literally go down there, find a place like that with a single mom or someone with a daughter thats marriage age and marry and put an addition on the house. Probably even redo the entire place for less than 10k and live like a king the rest of your life. Keep in mind that the average pay in Cuba is 25 bucks a month. 98% of the population make do with that. They all have something going on in the black market, especially in the larger cities but thats like in communist Cuba. :)
Live a simple but comfortable life, don't be flashy and live well.
 

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You are partially correct. Our sanctions are not helping them, but a free society could shrug it off and keep going. Socialism drains the life out of a society. Just look at every socialist country In the world. Pick one and really look beyond the propaganda.

Which the second video that is listed here even says in the video that they were in the tourist areas, i.e controlled for propaganda.

I think Turning Point got it right.

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Horseshit...If sanctions didn't work, we wouldn't do them, besides, even with sanctions, they are still ahead of most of the Caribbean. Cuba and Venezuela were both doing good before our attacks...
 

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Horseshit...If sanctions didn't work, we wouldn't do them, besides, even with sanctions, they are still ahead of most of the Caribbean. Cuba and Venezuela were both doing good before our attacks...
I was not saying sanctions did not help it along. But a strong local economy can withstand a lot on its own. But even without the sanctions, socialism does not work and eventually leads to destruction of the society it has infected.

The only reason the European Union is still functioning is because they siphon money from Great Britain (well not any more) and the central bank system. And that's the best example of a socialist country in the world. Every socialist country follows its natural progression and becomes a shithole. Heck, look at California. Its big cities are becoming literal shitholes under socialist management. Detroit fared well too, right. Where have their sanctions come from?

Our taxes kept China afloat for a long time. We'll see how they function on an even playing field while their ghost cities crumble and fall into ruin.
 

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The US is a free society and during the crisis of 08 the gov came right out and said that either we give the bankers 700 billion or we have anarchy and marshall law.

Cuba is life without excesses and the US is life with every imaginable excess.

To put it a slightly different way. Cuba is the very basics of life. A roof over your head, food on the table, close knit family and circles of friends enjoying life in it's most basic forms. Don't let the poverty fool you. There's a lot of fun to be had in it's most basic form. Laughing and playing dominoes all night with a case of beer and a couple of good friends. After a week or 10 days of life in it's most basic form you start to wonder what it is your coming back to the mainland for? Go fight traffic everyday so you can make the house payment and car payment and CC payments so you can buy nice clothes so you can have a decent job and a decent wage all for the purpose of putting a roof over your head and food on the table. In the US our quality of stuff is better but what about the quality of life? Are we really living in the US or are we just paying the bills?
Sounds like you are describing the working class people of the united States of America. The simple things usually are the best things.
 

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I also have 3 dead computers
'Dead' as in how so? Power supply went out? EZ to replace. HD crashed, you're hosed.

It’s a pretty simple matter to pull a hard drive from an old computer and put it onto one that runs.
Has to be the same OS else the bios won't like it (I think that's correct?). The suggestions will work. I have several 'solutions' my self. Some are the old ATA and the newer SATA. I think I still have an old SCSI too!

Funny thing is if you do get them working, you should be able to copy all the data to just one drive! Also, 'backup' doesn't mean just ONE copy, it means MULTIPLE copies. You can buy several 128G flash drives and back everything up and put them in different locations if you wanted. Cost is about $20 for 128G!! I'd look for the 3.0 connector as it's faster than the 2.0.

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Only bad bits about the OP video is that they really denigrated Cuba so much so that they probably ruined it for others wanting to to a documentary without the government checking everything they do.

I've heard from folks that went to Cuba in the past couple of years. Poor, yes but the people were happy. There's the tourist side and then there is the people's side of town. Same thing I observed in Playa del Carmen, Mexico. If you speak Spanish I think you could navigate everywhere quite well.
 

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Imagine if the mob had taken control of Cuba instead of Castro.......
 

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'Dead' as in how so? Power supply went out? EZ to replace. HD crashed, you're hosed.



Has to be the same OS else the bios won't like it (I think that's correct?). The suggestions will work. I have several 'solutions' my self. Some are the old ATA and the newer SATA. I think I still have an old SCSI too!

Funny thing is if you do get them working, you should be able to copy all the data to just one drive! Also, 'backup' doesn't mean just ONE copy, it means MULTIPLE copies. You can buy several 128G flash drives and back everything up and put them in different locations if you wanted. Cost is about $20 for 128G!! I'd look for the 3.0 connector as it's faster than the 2.0.

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Only bad bits about the OP video is that they really denigrated Cuba so much so that they probably ruined it for others wanting to to a documentary without the government checking everything they do.

I've heard from folks that went to Cuba in the past couple of years. Poor, yes but the people were happy. There's the tourist side and then there is the people's side of town. Same thing I observed in Playa del Carmen, Mexico. If you speak Spanish I think you could navigate everywhere quite well.
It used to be that you had to have permission from the Gov to do a documentary. Depending on what it was, you had to give them final say on it before you released it as well. Nowadays with you tube anyone can do a doc on their phone or a decent dslr camera. It just seems like the guys in the OP went down without a clue and thought they were in La or something.


I do have several flash drives now to back stuff up on.. My last trip to Cuba was in 06 , not sure if flash drives were available then or not.. Hopefully this weekend I will have some time to deal with the computers.
I forget why they stopped working. I think the battery died in the laptop. An old dell that was a hand me down and on the 2 desktops, I think they just wouldn't boot up anymore??? I cant remember though to be honest, been awhile.
 

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Ask anybody in Miami if they want to live in Cuba.
Our welfare is better than theirs, but you can ask ANY refugee the same question can't you. The Haitians, Guatemalans, El Salvadorans and any other freeloader will tell you free shit is better...
 
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I traveled through Nicaragua during the Sandinista period and the Cuban and Soviet propaganda was everywhere. The Cuban 'doctors' (they have an associates type degree) wanted to talk about how much doctors made in the US. In the Capital of Managua, the coffee houses and restaurants were bustling with 'intellectuals' and 'revolutionary's'. The country side was poverty stricken with nothing but stale old hard black beans, greasy rice, and cardboard tortillas. Couldn't get through there fast enough.
 

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That's the "POOR" side of town anywhere, any where in the Americas...and the vicious sanctions don't help matters.
 

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Ask anybody in Miami if they want to live in Cuba.
If they could have their property and businesses back Miami would be a ghost town. :)
 

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If they could have their property and businesses back Miami would be a ghost town. :)
In the condition they left it :) The lack of private ownership led to decay of buildings and infrastructure. I saw a documentary a couple of years ago about the government giving some level of private ownership to the renters of the buildings and they were in a fever to fix them up. People were lined to get ownership rights.
 

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That video was pretty accurate. Especially when you get outside of havana. The small towns are very quite farming communities for the most part. Not sure why he wanted to travel by bus. I never have. Always rented a car or hired a driver. You can hire a driver for 30-50 bucks a day. Although on some sites I see one being advertised for 100 a day.
It's easy to make friends there. They all want your money of course but they earn it. If you stay in a casa particular (Private home) It'll run you 30-40 bucks a night and the owners are usually connected with others that can help you find what you need.
Overall though you really are going back to the 1950's when you enter Cuba. Nothing has really changed there since then.