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Famous Actor Accidently Kills One, Injures Another

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Maybe he was setvup by one of the union walk-offs since he is such a prick?
Oh, yeh... thet works. Them union bastages just knew if they put real bullets in the gun, the prick would shoot somebody with it in no time. ;)
 

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To me, the question is: Why were live rounds on the set, if they were?

They can't even subtract 1958 from 2021 and get the perp's age right. <-- Good catch

Live rounds are very often used on movie sets. Lots of times, it is the only way to go. HOWEVER! It has now come out that there were TWO OTHER "gun accidents" in the previous two days. And the dead woman was complaining about safety (hers!!).

And the union walked out because of the crap going down.

Alec Baldwin is a violent, arrogant ass:



Alec Baldwin also was arrested in 2014 for aggressive behavior towards a police officer, as he was riding his bike the wrong way on the sidewalk while everyone else was required to ride the other way.

He was removed from a plane because he would not turn off his electronics. Went after the stewardess on twitter, berating her.

That about sets the scene that followed, donnit.

eg: I see no mystery whatsoever here. The only two unknowns are:

1. did he know, and if so --

2. did he load the gun?
 
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It gets tied to Bob Durham's indictments...

Alec Baldwin Shooting Victim Was Wife Of Latham & Watkins Lawyer Which Represent The Clinton Connected Attorney Just Indicted By Bob Durham​


PS: Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself.
 

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And now there is a trail to the Durham Indictments***

***As in:
Grand Juries have agreed a crime was committed, and it is likely the crime committed was by the mf-ing lawyer named in the Indictment.
The lawyer is dirty. And nailed. <-- Wozzat bring to mind...

 

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I hope someone with either position or money, follows this down to an indictment and trial.

OUTSIDE Santa Fe, where sane people, and/or Comanches who hate whites, live.

Because I want to see that obnoxious imbecile HANG. Or at least spend the next 20 years in the slam...with all the big Indian lifers with a burning hatred for whites.
 

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Clipped from a story from 9Kcal

After the shooting, production was halted on “Rust.” The movie is about a 13-year-old boy who is left to fend for himself and his younger brother following the death of their parents in 1880s Kansas, according to the Internet Movie Database website. The teen goes on the run with his long-estranged grandfather (played by Baldwin) after the boy is sentenced to hang for the accidental killing of a local rancher.

"...after the boy is sentenced to hang for the accidental killing of a local rancher."

Ironic, eh?
BF
 
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Hollywood needs to reflect real life instead of fantasy by using these revolvers...

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Look, NOT looking to burst bubbles/whiz on anyone's Cheerios. I despise libtard Baldwin, don't even rank him as high as the residue on used toilet paper. However, it is important to understand that an actor or even a fake actor or a bad actor is NOT responsible to check props. That is the job of the Props Master. Below the Props Master is typically the master's assistant and/or a union stage hand who dispenses the appropriate prop(s) to the correct actors. Alec Baldwin has worked numerous years doing numerous rehearsals and numerous performances in numerous venues under these conditions as have ALL other actors. Baldwin, even if he was trained in the duties of Props Master or as a stage hand, had and has NO expectation or responsibility to check or determine safety of ANY PROPS. It's just not done... union rules.

Furthermore, house (venue) rules and union do NOT allow the use of live ammo in in the house or on stage unless required by the act and ALL liability belongs to the act which MUST provide proof of current insure in the amount specified as minimum coverage by the house, regardless of act, act's manager, act's booking agent(s) and act MUST supply ALL appropriate and necessary safety devices to protect house, all house staff, all personnel, entire audience at each and every performance.

Sorry kids...NOT Baldwin's fault.
 

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Look, NOT looking to burst bubbles/whiz on anyone's Cheerios. I despise libtard Baldwin, don't even rank him as high as the residue on used toilet paper. However, it is important to understand that an actor or even a fake actor or a bad actor is NOT responsible to check props. That is the job of the Props Master. Below the Props Master is typically the master's assistant and/or a union stage hand who dispenses the appropriate prop(s) to the correct actors. Alec Baldwin has worked numerous years doing numerous rehearsals and numerous performances in numerous venues under these conditions as have ALL other actors. Baldwin, even if he was trained in the duties of Props Master or as a stage hand, had and has NO expectation or responsibility to check or determine safety of ANY PROPS. It's just not done... union rules.

Furthermore, house (venue) rules and union do NOT allow the use of live ammo in in the house or on stage unless required by the act and ALL liability belongs to the act which MUST provide proof of current insure in the amount specified as minimum coverage by the house, regardless of act, act's manager, act's booking agent(s) and act MUST supply ALL appropriate and necessary safety devices to protect house, all house staff, all personnel, entire audience at each and every performance.

Sorry kids...NOT Baldwin's fault.
YUP, and, my old memory recalls another "stage shooting", I just can't recall the names involved.
 

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Look, NOT looking to burst bubbles/whiz on anyone's Cheerios. I despise libtard Baldwin, don't even rank him as high as the residue on used toilet paper. However, it is important to understand that an actor or even a fake actor or a bad actor is NOT responsible to check props. That is the job of the Props Master. Below the Props Master is typically the master's assistant and/or a union stage hand who dispenses the appropriate prop(s) to the correct actors. Alec Baldwin has worked numerous years doing numerous rehearsals and numerous performances in numerous venues under these conditions as have ALL other actors. Baldwin, even if he was trained in the duties of Props Master or as a stage hand, had and has NO expectation or responsibility to check or determine safety of ANY PROPS. It's just not done... union rules.

Furthermore, house (venue) rules and union do NOT allow the use of live ammo in in the house or on stage unless required by the act and ALL liability belongs to the act which MUST provide proof of current insure in the amount specified as minimum coverage by the house, regardless of act, act's manager, act's booking agent(s) and act MUST supply ALL appropriate and necessary safety devices to protect house, all house staff, all personnel, entire audience at each and every performance.

Sorry kids...NOT Baldwin's fault.
Right, and since all of that is rigorously followed, perhaps HE loaded it. Lets check him out, like at 4am with a battalion of armored fbi guys breaking down doors with fingers on triggers and escort him to a big black suv with cnn filming...to make it equal.
 

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Look, NOT looking to burst bubbles/whiz on anyone's Cheerios. I despise libtard Baldwin, don't even rank him as high as the residue on used toilet paper. However, it is important to understand that an actor or even a fake actor or a bad actor is NOT responsible to check props. That is the job of the Props Master. Below the Props Master is typically the master's assistant and/or a union stage hand who dispenses the appropriate prop(s) to the correct actors. Alec Baldwin has worked numerous years doing numerous rehearsals and numerous performances in numerous venues under these conditions as have ALL other actors. Baldwin, even if he was trained in the duties of Props Master or as a stage hand, had and has NO expectation or responsibility to check or determine safety of ANY PROPS. It's just not done... union rules.

Furthermore, house (venue) rules and union do NOT allow the use of live ammo in in the house or on stage unless required by the act and ALL liability belongs to the act which MUST provide proof of current insure in the amount specified as minimum coverage by the house, regardless of act, act's manager, act's booking agent(s) and act MUST supply ALL appropriate and necessary safety devices to protect house, all house staff, all personnel, entire audience at each and every performance.

Sorry kids...NOT Baldwin's fault.
You may well be correct. I know I couldn't F around with any gun in good conscience without checking it though.
 

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Sorry kids...NOT Baldwin's fault.
Not his fault that he aimed his gun at, and shot TWO people that weren't actors in the movie? Why was he pointing a gun at them in the first place? First thing my Dad taught me about guns is that you never point them at something you don't intend to shoot, even if unloaded.

Totally his fault.
 

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Alton: As it was the THIRD GUN "accident" in two days due to the chaotic bullshit going down, ANY HUMAN BEING -- even an actor -- is a stupid, lethal asshole IF he says, "Another shot? Suppose I shoot YOU." <-- And does.

There is no way, NO FRIGGIN' WAY to excuse or ameliorate the murder. Actors are made of human material.
 

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Why was he pointing a gun at them in the first place?
One of the very first reports said that one of the people called for another take, and Baldwin was really irritated, and said something to the effect that he would shoot them with the stage gun. Then he did.
 

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So, if she was killed by a bullet, the empty cartridge must have fingerprints of who loaded it.
Were the rest of the rounds in the gun live?
What were live rounds even doing on the set? Did they hire some local cowboys?

I would think things in new mexico wouldn't smell that fishy.

BF
 

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^^^ if that's true, he's about to become bubbas butt.
 

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Unless he is complicit in the shooting he will probably be finished as an actor. His hubris has been shattered. He won't be able to hold a gun again in a movie with hollyweird sincerity — he will be afraid of it.
Not being relaxed around 'prop' guns in a movie set anymore will reduce his value as an actor. Last movie I can remember without any guns in it was "Homeward Bound".

JMSO,
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You may well be correct. I know I couldn't F around with any gun in good conscience without checking it though.

It's automatic, someone, no matter who, hands you a weapon, you check it, clear it. Eject any magazines, open any actions.
 

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You guys are pretty hard on Alec. He probably just thought she was "a god damned cook, Проклятый богом повар!"

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You guys are pretty hard on Alec. He probably just thought she was "a god damned cook, Проклятый богом повар!"

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Just further proof that he has been handling guns for at least 30 years.

Yet, I get the very strong sense that AB not only fails to RESPECT firearms, but also the people around him when he is waving one around the set.
 

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So, if she was killed by a bullet, the empty cartridge must have fingerprints of who loaded it.
Were the rest of the rounds in the gun live?
What were live rounds even doing on the set? Did they hire some local cowboys?

I would think things in new mexico wouldn't smell that fishy.

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Not likely. The shell is too round; gets too hot, probably burned whatever oils were on it, off.

And anyway the weapon has been handled at the scene. Fingerprinting is not easy or automatic. You need a flat surface, and to lift prints, it must be otherwise clean, and have stayed that way.

I don't know if photographing fingerprints on a dusty surface works, but this shell was round, probably clean, and after firing, hot enough to burn off skin oils.
 

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Not likely. The shell is too round; gets too hot, probably burned whatever oils were on it, off.

And anyway the weapon has been handled at the scene. Fingerprinting is not easy or automatic. You need a flat surface, and to lift prints, it must be otherwise clean, and have stayed that way.

I don't know if photographing fingerprints on a dusty surface works, but this shell was round, probably clean, and after firing, hot enough to burn off skin oils.
in the movies, they can lift fingerprints from sand

:summer:
 

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^^^ if that's true, he's about to become bubbas butt.
Doubt it. First, he'd probably like it. To make it in Hollyweird, you have to have deviancy cred. Being bi, and being a man-bitch receiver, is cred enough.

Second...he's mid-60s. Bubba ain't gonna like it. Bubba and Tyrone...they like BOYS.

No, I expect they'll look at that pretty face for a week, see the supercilious sneer...and fix it forever.
 

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It's automatic, someone, no matter who, hands you a weapon, you check it, clear it.
Yes. No exceptions (unless under fire, I guess). One must know from personal observation the status of a firearm. This is stupid simple. If a firearm leaves your direct supervision, you must verify its status when you receive it again. It is good to have other people check for safety, but the person who pulls the trigger is ultimately responsible.

A good comparison is in pilot training. When I studied the FAA regulations, one part was very strict. The pilot was ultimately responsible for the safety of the flight. That may sound pretty simple. Okay. Let that sink in. (I will wait.) The pilot is responsible for the safety of the flight. Even if there is a defect in the airframe or engine. Even if the FAA authorized inspector missed something important in the inspection. Even if a reliable engine decides to puke a rod on takeoff. It DOES NOT FUCKING MATTER! The pilot is responsible for the safety of the flight.
 

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The article I read said there a position of armorer who is supposed to prepare, check and control all weapons

A bunch of people walked off previous to this because of safety concerns and they brought in rookies to keep going.

Horrible thing to have happen but if it has to happen at least it happened to ass prog Baldwin. I hope he has nightmares for life and sleeps in an 8 by 8 greybar hotel until the day he dies

I should be mature and say wait for the facts but the other side doesn’t so let’s hang him anyway while everyone is pissed off
 

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The person in charge of weapons, should be in the dock for criminal negligence. And be investigated up and down, to see if it was deliberate.

Baldwin belongs in prison for manslaughter. I don't CARE if he thought the gun was unloaded. I don't CARE if live rounds weren't allowed on the set. He was angry; he picked up a firearm - not a plastic fake, but a REAL FIREARM - and pointed it at the object of his anger (a woman; Alec seems to have problems with those types) and HE PULLED THE TRIGGER.

What kind of jackassery is that? You do NOT aim a firearm, whether a prop or part of your survival gear or whatever - you do NOT point it at anything you do not wish to destroy.

He did.

Death resulted - from his complete disregard for firearm safety and his childish tantrum.

Manslaughter, IMO. That he "didn't mean to" doesn't wash. He didn't set this gun down on a counter and have it discharge. He didn't drop it. He POINTED it, and PULLED THE TRIGGER.
 

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I think there is more to this, just over the fact that they are calling a gun that was pointed at and shot someone a prop. It's either a gun or a prop not both. https://welovetrump.com/2021/10/23/...sletter_ssp&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ssp
A real weapon can be a prop.

By being a "prop" it just means that it's an artifact that the actors are to carry and use as part of the script. A prop shovel can be a real shovel - will have to be, if a character has to dig a hole.

A prop cigar is still a cigar - and lit, when the script calls for.

Obviously, they needed a gun that goes BANG on this set. Maybe they needed to have it blow something up, like a window...although that would be best done by stuntmen-shooters in a spliced-in sequence.

Now the question is, why were there live rounds in the weapon?

It doesn't matter to Baldwin's culpability. He's toast...if there's justice, he's done. But figure out what happened BEFORE his infantile tantrum.
 

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What percentage of movies made in 2021 included the intentional discharge of a firearm at another person?
 

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Car tires also squeal on sand, in the movies anyway.
I always got a chuckle, when the dubbed-in engine sound of a car floored, didn't match the hero's ride.

Say, he had a Trans Am, and the noise was CLEARLY from a Ford 302 V8. They sound very different - except to know-nothing movie producers.
 

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blanks will do that?
Yep, There was another movie awhile back where a stunt man got killed by the squib off a blank. IDK the name of the movie. I think it was a Martial Arts flick.
 

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and the movies that make the vehicle noise disappear altogether...was watching Apocalypse Now the other day and that boat engine was the quietest i've never heard...

walking through leaves that make no noise, another fav


another favorite of mine is pretending Alec Baldwin matters to me at all...i'm sorta , no, i am laughing inside for his careless, wreckless behavior

and that death and injury? idk, but, i guess, sorta like all the grandma's that have died from loneliness due to Covid...collateral damage to the main act, who cares? i don't...just more victims of hollywood, new mexico style

( i care more about the grannies...just saying)