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anyone think Baldwin is still awake talking with his lawyer? shrink? boyfriend?
 

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Why was he pointing a gun at them in the first place?
If they were recording a gun shot into the camera. Harmless if it was a blank.

I wonder who's finger prints are on the casing?
 

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Whose fingerprints? Whoever the law wants to frame.

Because REAL fingerprints, if even on there, would not have survived a discharge. The oil would have burned off.

On such a small round surface, there would not be enough to make a legal match, anyway.
 

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got this off of Telegram

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It's automatic, someone, no matter who, hands you a weapon, you check it, clear it. Eject any magazines, open any actions.
unless you intend to kill someone
 

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That sneering prick needs to be prosecuted for manslaughter at the very least. By the way blanks shot through unblocked barrels will expel wading. I did not read the article was there a bullet?
 

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That sneering prick needs to be prosecuted for manslaughter at the very least. By the way blanks shot through unblocked barrels will expel wading. I did not read the article was there a bullet?
The nooze propagandists don't know enough about firearms to ask that question. Nor are they curious.

I'm sure there was. This woman was FILMING at the time, which meant at a distance. Wadding or a dumdum cap on the shell, would have hit but not penetrated and passed through.

Nor would this be a police matter - getting hurt by a blank out of a gun, would be basically an injury from use of props. Like any other injury.

What makes this a legal matter is, there was live ammo in it, and it was fired, not accidentally but deliberately. So, is it sabotage? Criminally-negligible mistake? WAS there some reason live rounds would be on the set? If there was, and they were not accounted for and kept separate, then the armorer is in deep legal ca-ca.

Which she is, anyway. I guess this gun "expert" felt she was in over her head...let's see, cleaning and loading prop firearms. Tough job, hey? You gotta keep the blanks here, the live ammo there, and maybe other special-effect shells in another tray. Clean the guns every night. Check to be sure the gun is as called for - loaded with live rounds, or blanks, or fireworks, or just empty.

I've got a grand total of six hours on various ranges, and I could do that job.
 

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Foreshadowing the assassination of Biden?
 

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Just further proof that he has been handling guns for at least 30 years.

Yet, I get the very strong sense that AB not only fails to RESPECT firearms, but also the people around him when he is waving one around the set.

You are SO spot on.

Now lookit this -- also spot on:

The article I read said there a position of armorer who is supposed to prepare, check and control all weapons

THIS ( :tongue: ) is the "armorer". TINS

https://generaldispatch.whatfinger....e-of-firearms-on-baldwins-production-no-joke/

Turn on, sound up.

Alton: That has GOTTA convince you of reality. :beer: cool:
 

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Look, NOT looking to burst bubbles/whiz on anyone's Cheerios. I despise libtard Baldwin, don't even rank him as high as the residue on used toilet paper. However, it is important to understand that an actor or even a fake actor or a bad actor is NOT responsible to check props. That is the job of the Props Master. Below the Props Master is typically the master's assistant and/or a union stage hand who dispenses the appropriate prop(s) to the correct actors. Alec Baldwin has worked numerous years doing numerous rehearsals and numerous performances in numerous venues under these conditions as have ALL other actors. Baldwin, even if he was trained in the duties of Props Master or as a stage hand, had and has NO expectation or responsibility to check or determine safety of ANY PROPS. It's just not done... union rules.

Furthermore, house (venue) rules and union do NOT allow the use of live ammo in in the house or on stage unless required by the act and ALL liability belongs to the act which MUST provide proof of current insure in the amount specified as minimum coverage by the house, regardless of act, act's manager, act's booking agent(s) and act MUST supply ALL appropriate and necessary safety devices to protect house, all house staff, all personnel, entire audience at each and every performance.

Sorry kids...NOT Baldwin's fault.
With such systemic rigor, and highly trained professionals ensuring safety, how the hell did a live round get in the chamber?
100% intentional.
100% Killintons.
 

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Maybe he was set up by one of the union walk-offs since he is such a prick?

That may not be too far off.

Apparrently he was having disputes with the union about safety already, and he was cutting corners financially, perhaps because he was one of the producers of the movie with a finanial interest in it.

 

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Look, NOT looking to burst bubbles/whiz on anyone's Cheerios. I despise libtard Baldwin, don't even rank him as high as the residue on used toilet paper. However, it is important to understand that an actor or even a fake actor or a bad actor is NOT responsible to check props. That is the job of the Props Master. Below the Props Master is typically the master's assistant and/or a union stage hand who dispenses the appropriate prop(s) to the correct actors. Alec Baldwin has worked numerous years doing numerous rehearsals and numerous performances in numerous venues under these conditions as have ALL other actors. Baldwin, even if he was trained in the duties of Props Master or as a stage hand, had and has NO expectation or responsibility to check or determine safety of ANY PROPS. It's just not done... union rules.

Furthermore, house (venue) rules and union do NOT allow the use of live ammo in in the house or on stage unless required by the act and ALL liability belongs to the act which MUST provide proof of current insure in the amount specified as minimum coverage by the house, regardless of act, act's manager, act's booking agent(s) and act MUST supply ALL appropriate and necessary safety devices to protect house, all house staff, all personnel, entire audience at each and every performance.

Sorry kids...NOT Baldwin's fault.

Baldwin was not only the actor and shooter, but a producer.
 

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Baldwin was not only the actor and shooter, but a producer.
Which means Baldwin was RESPONSIBLE for the "professional" hired for this:

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Alton: That is the job of the Props Master. Below the Props Master is typically the master's assistant and/or a union stage hand who dispenses the appropriate prop(s) to the correct actors.
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https://generaldispatch.whatfinger....e-of-firearms-on-baldwins-production-no-joke/
 

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So why is this dirtbag not in jail?
 

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Walt, that was some find

She seems stable, mature and responsible ;)
 

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good catch "he was founded with over 1,000 images"
... though much too many "born & bred Americans" use "I" instead of "me", and say/write "drownded"... among other GROSS "BAD ENGLISH"...
 

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that is the same outfit who states Brian Laundrie was found alive in Mexico and being exported to florida

in this article, they claim news blackout approved by a judge,

uhhh huh

yet another bogus news outlet looking to get the conservatives all lathered up ie a psy op
 

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that is the same outfit who states Brian Laundrie was found alive in Mexico and being exported to florida

in this article, they claim news blackout approved by a judge,

uhhh huh

yet another bogus news outlet looking to get the conservatives all lathered up ie a psy op
AGREE, When the author of the piece hides behind a digital moniker and not his/her actual name it should not be taken seriously.
If it was legitimate NEWS story the writer would want credit. One for busting a big story FIRST, and TWO would strengthen his reputation as a credible reporter.
NONE of that exists in this piece.
He's like me he posted wishful thinking.
 

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Well ! "THERE WILL BE NO MORE OF THAT ON SET". Probably why the set was in New Mexico and not Commiefornia.
Prayers to the victim(s).
 

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Which means Baldwin was RESPONSIBLE for the "professional" hired for this:

Even if he wasn't the producer, arguably whenever one points a real gun at another person they have a non-delegable duty to check that its not loaded. Non-delegable means its so important that you can't just outsource it. That would be like Boeing blaming a plane that crashes on their hired safety consultant, FlyByNight Safety, LLC. Tort law recognizes that its too easy to shirk your responsibilities if they don't hold you accountable.

The media keeps spreading the lie that this was a fake gun, or prop gun. No, it was a real gun that we supposed to be loaded with blanks.
 

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New "signature name" for "Sorcha Faal"???
 

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Total Disaster: We Know What Happened Prior to Alec Baldwin’s Accidental Shooting of Cinematographer​

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Total Disaster: We Know What Happened Prior to Alec Baldwin’s Accidental Shooting of Cinematographer

Source: AP Photo/Julie Jacobson

Will they even finish this movie? First, the tragic shooting death during the production of Rust seems to have been a disaster in the making. Alec Baldwin accidentally shot and killed the film’s cinematographer and director this week. The cinematographer, Halyna Hutchins, was killed in the incident. Director Joel Souza was injured. It was an eerie throwback to the tragic death of Brandon Lee on the set of 1994’s The Crow in which he too was killed by a prop gun. Yet, there were other issues that plagued what appears to be a nightmare production.

The crew walked off set days before this deadly accident. There were complaints about the hours, the working conditions, paychecks, and safety measures. Since this accidental shooting, there are more leaks than the Iraqi Navy concerning what went down during this shoot. It’s a busted pipe. The prop guns weren’t checked properly—I mean, serious allegations here. Reportedly, nothing was followed per regulations. The LA Times had the story, along with a retelling of the tragic shooting death of Ms. Hutchins:

The camera operators and their assistants were frustrated by the conditions surrounding the low-budget film, including complaints about long hours, long commutes and collecting their paychecks, according to three people familiar with the matter who were not authorized to comment.​
Safety protocols standard in the industry, including gun inspections, were not strictly followed on the “Rust” set near Santa Fe, the sources said. They said at least one of the camera operators complained last weekend to a production manager about gun safety on the set.​
Three crew members who were present at the Bonanza Creek Ranch set on Saturday said they were particularly concerned about two accidental prop gun discharges.​
Baldwin’s stunt double accidentally fired two rounds Saturday after being told that the gun was “cold” — lingo for a weapon that doesn’t have any ammunition, including blanks — two crew members who witnessed the episode told the Los Angeles Times.​
“There should have been an investigation into what happened,” the crew member said. “There were no safety meetings. There was no assurance that it wouldn’t happen again. All they wanted to do was rush, rush, rush.”​
A colleague was so alarmed by the prop gun misfires that he sent a text message to the unit production manager. “We’ve now had 3 accidental discharges. This is super unsafe,” according to a copy of the message reviewed by The Times.​
[…]​
Cinematographer Halyna Hutchins was huddled around a monitor lining up her next camera shot when she was accidentally killed by the prop gun fired by Baldwin.​
The actor was preparing to film a scene in which he pulls a gun out of a holster, according to a source close to the production. Crew members had already shouted “cold gun” on the set. The filmmaking team was lining up its camera angles and had yet to retreat to the video village, an on-set area where the crew gathers to watch filming from a distance via a monitor.​
Instead, the B-camera operator was on a dolly with a monitor, checking out the potential shots. Hutchins was also looking at the monitor from over the operator’s shoulder, as was the movie’s director, Joel Souza, who was crouching just behind her.​
Baldwin removed the gun from its holster once without incident, but the second time he repeated the action, ammunition flew toward the trio around the monitor. The projectile whizzed by the camera operator but penetrated Hutchins near her shoulder, then continued through to Souza. Hutchins immediately fell to the ground as crew members applied pressure to her wound in an attempt to stop the bleeding.​
Late Friday, the Associated Press reported that Baldwin was handed a loaded weapon by an assistant director who indicated it was safe to use in the moments before the actor fired it, according to court records. The assistant director did not know the prop gun was loaded with live rounds, according to a search warrant filed in a Santa Fe County court.​
The person in charge of overseeing the gun props, known as the armorer, Hannah Gutierrez Reed, could not be reached for comment. The 24-year-old is the daughter of veteran armorer Thell Reed and had recently completed her first film as the head armorer for the movie “The Old Way,” with Clint Howard and Nicolas Cage.​

It's a western movie whose plot is centered on accidental death. Well, the picture just came to life, but it’s more of a horror movie. Also, it seems the working conditions mirrored that of the era. Always treat any firearms, prop or not, as loaded, and deadly. That should have been the number one rule. If this pans out, what the hell was going on here? Unlike The Crow, can this small picture survive? Will it move forward? Will there be criminal charges relating to the alleged safety lapses? Lawsuits are coming.

 

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the official story is looking bad --- the crew (witnesses) left the scene before the event. coincidence theorists believe because muh dangerous claptrap

keep the inner circle of lie tellers as small as possible

‘Rust’ camera crew left set in protest hours before Alec Baldwin fatal shooting, report says​


 

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from above link -- they claim both victims went to hospitals -- might be a good scab to pick at

Hutchins, 42, was airlifted to a hospital, where she was pronounced dead. Souza, 48, who was wounded in the collarbone area, was taken by ambulance to a medical center.

edit -- found the hutchins hospital --

The Santa Fe Sheriff's Office says Alec Baldwin fired a prop gun that killed Hutchins and wounded the director. The 42-year-old was airlifted to the University of New Mexico Hospital Thursday where she later died due to her injuries.

found joel's alleged hospital -- Christus St. Vincent Regional Medical -- NOT a trauma hospital

hutchins went to the only level 1 trauma hospital in NM. the director, joel, went to a hospital not equipped for gunshot wounds
 
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