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My Case 480 with the forks is just too damn big for some chores, and the Massey 35 has limited application, so I added this little jewel to do the small jobs around the old homestead. A case 1816C with a little 3 cylinder Kubota diesel in it. Came with forks, bucket, and a 2-stage snow blower that mounts to the front. Seems to be a little more universal than what I have been using. This thing is nimble!!!
 

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Good for you. Should be a great machine. Way more versatile than the 35 for sure.
 

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those little skids are fun........and useful for the right jobs...great looking machine...most of those had gas engines if i remember right great to get one with a diesel

fwiw....

they are worse than useless in mud
can be worse than useless in deep gravel
murder on tires (better get a spare)
dont dig well without a toothed bucket
beat the living crap outa you on rough ground or dry pavement while turning
can be rear heavy making it hard to go up a hill without a load (end up backing up hills)
can dump crap on you in the opperators station if your not careful
tear the hell outa your yard just driving around

thats the bad....

the good is they are great a parrallel parking
fit almost anywhere
i assume you have aux hydraulics on the frount due to a snowblower...aux hydraulics are great
like tractors ....its all about the attachments and the attachments are $$
would make a great barn stall cleaner
you will quickly want rear ballest weights to increase lifting capacity
most are easy to maintain since cab tilts out of the way
case controls can take some getting used to but are easy to repair ..unlike the new electronic joysticks
i bet it makes a great sidewalk snow machine...other than being cold

Im speaking from experience i have owned many skids and still own a Gehl 5635dx
 

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can be rear heavy making it hard to go up a hill without a load (end up backing up hills)
You forgot to mention how hard they are to back up...you can't see where you're going. I rent Cat skid steers sometimes, I think 248 something. They have joysticks which are easy to learn after foot operated bucket controls. The only thing I hate about renting them is you pay for 8 hours a day whether you use them or not and my old carcass can't take that many hours on a skid steer. One time I rented one for a week and found myself flipping thru my address book looking for someone I could hire to run it cause I hurt all over.

The first few times I rented them I got the smaller ones, then I tried one in the 7000 pound class and was amazed at how much work I could get done, and I only run them at 2/3 of full RPM.

The next time I rent one I want to get a breaker (jackhammer attachment) with it. It will be interesting to see what it will do.

My driveway is 2 1/4 miles long and very steep and narrow. The elevation gain from the mailbox to the house is 1300 feet and pops my ears. It has 6 switchbacks. The main use I have for skid steers is piss anting dirt around prior to hiring a grader. I use it to dig borrow pits and rob fine material to place in the rocky stretches. The driveway is too rocky and the objective is to mix fines and clay into the rocks to stabilize them and make it easier to plow snow in the winter without digging in. In some areas the driveway is only 11 feet wide and a steep drop off on one side. Those skid steers are the only loaders that can do the job because they turn on a dime anywhere. I love them and I hate them.
 

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mine is a 60hp ...7-8k# class.....

and i have a 250# breaker for it....great for driving fence posts...no good for breaking hard limestone rock (ok for soft rock)....good for 4-5" concrete (its easy to poke a hole in concrete and then try to pry and bend stuff if the concrete doesnt give)
also have..
trencher.
backhoe
harley rake
preperator (soil)
sweeper
toothed bucket
multiple smooth buckets
grapple bucket
forks

used them for years so happy to answer questions

as to backing up your right you cant see well..but they are short butted and after you use one for a wk or so you just learn where the back is so it really isnt a issue at least on mine

huge amount of difference as you jump up weight classes

i like the joystick controls till they get a short or a switch glitch....the gehl has all hand mechanicals T handles...simple like the case but easier to use...great to fix if your a owner

80s models skids are a great bang for the buck purchase if you get a low hours one

+1 on the love/hate
 

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mine is a 60hp ...7-8k# class.....

and i have a 250# breaker for it....great for driving fence posts...no good for breaking hard limestone rock (ok for soft rock)..
Can you drive pipe posts into fractured bedrock/semi-decomposed limestone? what about pre-drilling deep holes and then driving posts? Do they make long bits for that?
 

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i have driven steel fence posts in ....creek gravel beds...rocky tight soil...and soil with fractured rock...and hard rock....tree roots...

think driving a nail in different woods.......different techniques for each type of ground....and its all about the bending strengh of the nail

creek gravel ...it drove them just fine since it could displace the gravel
rocky tight soil ...usually drives them fine
fractued rock...sometimes i went along and used the point to poke a hole in the ground 8"-10" then went back and drove the posts in the hole to a tight fit
hard rock ...i have pre-drilled holes just slightly smaller than the fence post with a rock drill then drove the posts in the tight hole (usually sharpen the end of the steel post to get it started)

my bit will poke about a 10" deep hole......dont know about longer bits

when i drive the posts i usually take out the bit and put the breaker directly on the post...it fits in my bit cavity almost perfectly....and with a skidsteer you need to consider your clearance between the breaker bottom and the ground and post height...post brands makes a difference to since the breaker will brad the end of a soft post real quick if it doesnt bend first ..real hard posts will sometimes but rarely split...some skids if you raise the breaker real high to get on a post its to close to the frount of the skid clearance wise

my breaker will fit on my backhoe arm if i need to get in a difficult place

i think your one the right track with weathered degraded limestone ...pokeing hole with bit...then driving...all depends on the limestone very much trial and error
 

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my bit will poke about a 10" deep hole......dont know about longer bits

when i drive the posts i usually take out the bit and put the breaker directly on the post...it fits in my bit cavity almost perfectly....and with a skidsteer you need to consider your clearance between the breaker bottom and the ground and post height...post brands makes a difference to since the breaker will brad the end of a soft post real quick if it doesnt bend first ..real hard posts will sometimes but rarely split...some skids if you raise the breaker real high to get on a post its to close to the frount of the skid clearance wise
On a rental I would need to ask for the longest bit they have, which is unlikely to be long enough. If height is an issue, I could just drive some 4' sections of 2" sch 80 pipe in and weld sch 40 on top later. This would be for corner posts and gate posts, so depth is important. Thanks for the insight.
 

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Hey ttazzman,

Thanks for the thoughts...you make some really good points. I formerly owned a 1992 New Holland L555D with forks and a bucket with hi-flow and aux hoses. I would just rent the attachments I needed back in the day. I sold it to make due when the bottom fell out back in 2008, and have lamented the day I had to get rid of it. It was probably the most useful "tool" I ever had. Now that I am so big on being debt free, I look for deals on cherry older units. This unit has only 400 hours on it. The snowblower has its own briggs motor on it, as this one doesn't have aux hydraulics (sigh). I am starting my kids in a landscape business spreading mulch and topsoil for one of the big landscapers in town that don't want to be bothered with the piddly stuff. Once they make enough $$$, we will upgrade them, and this one will retire on the homestead. They just need something to get them out of the gate, and load their 4WD power wheelbarrow to get the stuff dispersed in peoples yards. I got the whole package for 4600 FRN's, so I really can't complain.

those little skids are fun........and useful for the right jobs...great looking machine...most of those had gas engines if i remember right great to get one with a diesel

fwiw....

they are worse than useless in mud - Agreed, but I did get chains for the snow/mud to help out a little
can be worse than useless in deep gravel - True...but you gotta start somewhere
murder on tires (better get a spare) - Got one
dont dig well without a toothed bucket - Funny you say that, I just acquired one yesterday
beat the living crap outa you on rough ground or dry pavement while turning - Yep
can be rear heavy making it hard to go up a hill without a load (end up backing up hills) - Yep...Darwinism at its finest
can dump crap on you in the operators station if your not careful - Yep. My New Holland was out in front of you more, not so with Case
tear the hell outa your yard just driving around - Very true...gotta use some common sense and turn REALLY WIDE

thats the bad....

the good is they are great a parrallel parking - Agreed
fit almost anywhere - Sometimes too well...put mine in a ravine once...lol
i assume you have aux hydraulics on the frount due to a snowblower...aux hydraulics are great - Nope (sad face)...next one will
like tractors ....its all about the attachments and the attachments are $$ - Yep...but this unit doesn't allow for that anyway
would make a great barn stall cleaner - Yep...she's a small little buggar
you will quickly want rear ballest weights to increase lifting capacity - I already got 300# of weights and a mounting rack for the rear
most are easy to maintain since cab tilts out of the way - This one has a rear door and the top shroud comes off easy
case controls can take some getting used to but are easy to repair ..unlike the new electronic joysticks - Agreed...Simplicity is best
i bet it makes a great sidewalk snow machine...other than being cold - Yep...it works good for that...that is what the guy that had it used it for...he enclosed the cab with plexi glass on 3 sides and reverses the wires on the radiator fan to blow hot air on your backside. He said it stays pretty warm to -10...after that, it is kinda cold

Im speaking from experience i have owned many skids and still own a Gehl 5635dx
You obviously know your skid steers...
 

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Congratulations they are a outstanding bargain compared to a similar size tractor.....no way you could get a comperable tractor for that kind of money

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Well guys, my little Garden Mower (Husqvarna) I inherited when kaput..........well, not completely, but the main belt tension pulley bracket stripped out of the mower deck. So off I went in search of a replacement (as in addition to whereas I can still keep this little guy on the side for mowing duty backup).

Long story short, I've now found my 4th Tractor for my farm collection !

Meet my new addition, a 4WD Kubota B8200...........that behemoth flail mower on the back is a 78" Alamo which I know is overkill but I wasn't going to pass on this package deal, albeit used but good quality.

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......LOL..........i will be curious as to how you like a flail mower (ive never used one)...........better put a bigger weight box on the frount end :)

that mower has got to weigh as much as the tractor itself .....im kinda suprized the tractor will even lift it

for me i like to have at 4-5 pto hp for each foot of width of rotary mower...be curious about the flail how it performs

once you go 4wd you will never go back...
 

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that mower has got to weigh as much as the tractor itself .....im kinda suprized the tractor will even lift it.....
Yeah, it's borderline and a bit on the undersized end of application.

Alamo flail specs list the weight at 930-lbs. Tractordata specs list the Kubota at 1565-lbs. with 1,015-lbs. rear lift @ 24". The guy said he gives it a bit more gas during lifting.
Stout little tractor for its size but I'll more than likely be looking for a more manageable mowing implement. It'll get me through this season though.
 

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i am extremely curious as to how the flail performs in different conditions.....how it cuts....how it works with the tractor Hp...etc....always thought they were a good option theoretically but never exposed to one......you have the perfect test bed there, as any issues with power etc will show up quickly..

can you set the mow height with dolly wheels? to take load off of tractor?
 

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Kuboto-04.jpg

Pic of the 3-cylinder 19-hp diesel.
Is this the smallest diesel made ?......It sure looks it.
 

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nawwwwwww.....i know kubota b6000 are 2cylinders....they sucked because the tractor pto was counter clockwise.....yours is a behemoth comparatively LOL

compact diesel 4wd tractors will do a whole lot more than you give them credit for ...main draw back is physical weight.....they work better with all the weight you can add
 

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......can you set the mow height with dolly wheels? to take load off of tractor?
No dolly wheels, but there are several bolt holes on both sides by the back roller. Its built very similar to a rotary tiller but with chains + flail cutters and a metal roller on the backside.

I'll post some pictures of it in action / results when I can.
 

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I've been looking at getting a flail mower for my 21 hp B7510. I wanted to get a 60" mower but all of the guidance says 48" is the max with the power I have (my owners manual says 42" max), and here you come along with a 78" mower and 19 hp! I'm also very interested in how it performs. My pre-purchase research leads me to think that the Alamo mowers are very heavy duty and highly regarded. I'll probably go with a Chinese cheapy (Value Leader brand) for my relatively light duty cutting.
 

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I've been looking at getting a flail mower for my 21 hp B7510. I wanted to get a 60" mower but all of the guidance says 48" is the max with the power I have (my owners manual says 42" max),......
According to the Alamo Industrial site, a 20-hp can pull a 62" flail. See the 2nd page at the bottom in fine print for the chart. >> http://www.alamo-industrial.com/Documents/Literature/1_shd_aug_2013.pdf

Now, I'm not sure why everyone regards HP ratings as the measure of pulling power when it's actually TORQUE that does the job.
That said, a 19hp Diesel is a lot stronger than a 19hp Gasoline tractor. My little Ferguson TO-20 is too weak for these kind of chores........it's more of a 'parade' tractor and my wife likes the nostalgia look with metal seat and all.
 

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FWIW ~ here's the underneath which is surprisingly clean. With some sanding in the rough spots on top and touch-up paint, I can get her to look more like new. Flails on the mower visible in the background.

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looks awful clean underneath for a tractor..........a tractor needs grease globs n lube smeared around to look right on top of some spilt hydraulic fluid......

lol its one of my rules to not buy a used tractor that i cant see the lube trails.......just hate it when i go to a auction and a tractor has been all powerwashed up and fresh lubed to cover and tighten things up
 

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Wellllllllllll........did you break it already or what........need a flail mower and tractor review....
 

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This little tractor ain't big enough for this job, but it got the last 100 bales made after we had a hitch problem on her big brother. Amazing really what these small old tractors can do for pennies on the dollar compared to new ones.
 

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Who knows the 444 International tractor? One for sale on the 8th and I'm interested.
 

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Glad to see this thread back up......

Looking at your square baler picture.....its amazing how little HP it takes to run a old Square baler like that i regularly run mine behind my smallest tractor (35hp pto) and it handles it just fine.......a lot of those old balers had a small gas engine on the frount of the baler instead of pto....i have a couple of old john deere 24ts from the 60s that still do a great job mine are pto driven.....here is a 24t that has its own gas engine

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Who knows the 444 International tractor? One for sale on the 8th and I'm interested.
Dont own one i prefer green.......but they are extremely popular in our area for a utility tractor role rarely see them for sale people keep them forever.....im sure your aware they come in both Gas and Diesel versions and have live pto, .....not sure about hydraulics.....from what i have heard from owners they are keepers but like anything its all about how it was maintained so buyer beware...

they are old enough i would check to make sure parts are availible in your area around here that is not a issue due to thier popularity
 

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Tazz, I enjoy your knowledge but your taste in color sucks.LOL
Here is a link to the sale and if you peruse it you'll see I'm interested in more than one item.
http://www.globalauctionguide.com/alberta-auctions/edward-and-carol-ries-s-262044.html

Have you ever used wire to tie bales? I've watched a couple of the old balers with their own engine work and that farm show magazine I eluded to about a year ago has had some interesting ones in it.
 

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the color of tractor taste is purely a family tradition......but gawd if you get a different color one its certainly heresey........LOL....whooole lotaa red round here....IH..Case...Farmall...etc.

I am kinda a little of a black sheep cause i run some caterpillar stuff but thats ok since its more heavy equip stead of JD heavy equip.

for some reason this area of the country just doesnt do wire bales i have never actually seen a wire tie baler work .......used to if we bought hay out of kansas etc it would come in wire tied though...small square bales are a thing of the past around here too all the big stuff we do is alfalfa wrapped haylage round bales......me being retired i got the family job of doing the nickle dime square bales for everyones horses..
 

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Brother Dragon.........you still owe us a report on your Flail Mower and Kubota
 

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That little 444 sold for $7,900 Can and I didn't get it. I did get the NH sickle mower that is virtually new and has two knives for $1,300 Can. First time I've ever seen 9 3pth items sell on choice.
 

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Got home Monday night with my new 165.


Then on Wednesday I went up to Vermillion to pick up the PTO seal [$2.84:36_1_25:] and saw this little critter at a different dealership.





I found the guy who had it on consignment and got it for exactly half what the dealership wanted.
 

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pitw.....are you starting a tractor farm up there LOL............do you guys prefer to run Gas or Diesel up there? ......keep this up and you will have more tractors than implements
 

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I will get the ones I want and sell the rest as that was the plan. We prefer diesel for working but the gas jobs are easier to start in the winter for snow clearing.
 

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FWIW.......im pretty sure those old commercial MF tractors came 3 ways on the PTO......(no pto) (live pto) (non-live pto) ...since it seems to have a PTO on it you might wana make sure which version it has......dont asssume its live........otherwise they usually have a strong frount end and heavy duty loader on them
 

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Actually they have ground drive too. Excellent for cleaning out the cutter bar. The clutch can be set for live or non live.