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"Feel the Bern"--what would free college look like?

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Feel the Bern, Baby, Bern

Like a lot of people, I enjoy “feeling the burn”—when it comes to chile peppers and hot pepper sauce. Not from the government, m’kay? I think we’ve all been burned quite well enough by the government. On a scale from bell peppers to Naga Jolokia, the federal government goes well off the scale and is the Trinidad Scorpion in terms of burning you. Not just coming, but going, if you know what I mean.

You can learn a lot by walking instead of driving or even riding a bike. I’m a wayfarer. I walk around this place and see these homemade campaign signs for Bernie Sanders. They all have this slogan on them: “Feel The Bern!” Yeah, well, I daresay we’ll “feel the bern” from him in more ways than one, should he get elected. Not that I actually give a rat’s patootie who wins this scam, er, election, but I noticed something else about his campaign. It’s the old Democrat “Ab-So-Lute-Lee FREE!” shinoobie. Oh, you don’t know that one? Allow me to explain.

Remember during Barack Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign how everyone thought he was promising free health care? And what did we end up with? Obamacare. By now, everyone knows this is far, far from “free”. In fact, in two years, then we’ll see how expensive it really is. Ok, so, I see on these handmade Bernie signs this other slogan that says: “Free College For All!” Oh, come on now, you guys! Do you really believe that?! What, after Obamacare, you’re really going to fall for this scam twice in a row?! And here you clowns claim to be so much smarter than Republicans who are falling for the “Iran has nuclear weapons” malarkey after the same was said over Iraq and proven false, some tens of thousands of dead later! Yet, here’s the Democrats falling for the same old Democrat infomercial promising, “But wait! There’s more!”

And, indeed, there would be more if we get to “feel the bern”. Let me just take a wild guess as to how “BernieSchool” would manifest. I would have to say they’d pass a law saying everyone in the United States was required to have a college education. If you didn’t, you’d have two years to enroll in a college and get a degree by shopping for a school in the “education marketplace” the federal government would set up online. Then you would notice that, jeepers! it isn’t free! No, then you’d see the tuition costs dang near the same as before, except now the government said you have to get that degree—or else. Because if you didn’t feel like getting a degree, they’d ding your tax return to the tune of a grand each year and rising higher every year. Hey, you guys wanted to “feel the bern!” and so you did. Am I right so far, Bernie?

Other countries would “feel the bern” also, once he waged the same covert wars that Obama has after promising not to do so. Who knows how many tens of thousands of people will “feel the bern” from napalm canisters because Bernie has a personal dislike of their leader. Oh, no, they tell me! No, Bernie is an “outsider”, he won’t do that! Is that so? Hey, you guys! That’s what they said about Obama, remember?! How do you think he got elected?! Besides promising free health care and not starting wars where innocent people got killed for nothing.

I am well and truly sick of “feeling the bern” from this government. When I want to “feel the bern”, I could submit to TSA abuse at the airport. I don’t need to vote for more. Gosh, how much more “berning” do we need? We’ve got a war entering the last half of its second decade, TSA, Homeland Security, and Obamacare just since 2001! And all of this from this need to “feel the bern” from various mavericks, outsiders, and other political malefactors.

Digressing slightly, this very morning, I witnessed a “dueling petitions” thing going on between two political petition gatherers. They were arguing over who had the “right” to gather signatures in that spot. They were yelling and demanding the police. I found this quite amusing, as I am certain you know that I would. This is the American political “system” at work. Hey, men died for that, you know. That’s what they tell me. What, the right to gather signatures or the right to argue and threaten violence if someone else tries doing that on your “turf”? Oh, wait! They’re imitating the government itself! When other countries engage in a political process that competes with U.S. foreign policy, the United States government launches airstrikes! Ok, I’m glad I understand this process now. I’m hooked on a feelin’ the bern!

Right, Bernie Sanders is going to send you jokers to college for free. Sure he will! Just like Obama gave you free health care, right? I can guarantee you that BernieSchool would just be the educational equivalent of Obamacare, which is itself the health care equivalent of TSA. Hey man, this government can’t do anything for free, what, y’all ain’t noticed that yet? Shoot, you need permits coming and going from the government and they all cost money to obtain. I was wondering the other day that if you don’t get a death certificate from your state government, will the government permit you to die? Or will they arrest and imprison the cadaver until a proper death certificate is filed? Did you know that without a birth certificate and a Social Security Number you don’t technically exist in the eyes of the government? So without that death certificate, you are not dead in the eyes of the government. And these are the people that are in charge of education, by the way, since Bernie has brought this issue to the forefront.

But ya gotta love Bernie. No one has campaigned on “free college” yet, I’ll hand that to him. Of course, he can’t deliver it! That’s why he can promise it! No politician promises something he can’t deliver unless it’s a war. Wars, yes, those they can deliver. Winning them, however, that’s a different story. Soon, we’ll even have victory songs that go, “Marching onward bravely for the glorious cease-fire!” Personally, I’d rather have something else “free” from the government. Back South one year, the local politician running for the office held a free catfish fry. All the catfish you could eat—plus hush puppies and sweet tea!—and you didn’t even have to vote for the crook! He gave out fans, too, but they weren’t as good as the ones the church had. But they were free. Bernie ought to have himself a catfish fry and give out “Feel The Bern” hot sauce with his face on the bottle. Heck, I’d go! I’m not saying I’d vote for him. But free catfish and hot sauce? Why not? At least, I’d have that before BernieSchool pauperized me even more than the government already has.

Ah, well, I guess it’d be too much to ask Bernie not to promise free stuff after the last free stuff has resulted in a government program so convoluted that Leonid Brezhnev would have stood up and saluted it. Hey Bernie, are you aware these fine establishments of “higher education” regularly graduate students who don’t even know who Leonid Brezhnev was? “Uhhhh….wasn’t he the head of the engineering department of the university here?” Right, here’s your BernieDiploma, pay the man on the way out and thank you for playing.

If Bernie wants to give me something for free, hey, Bernie, send me some kefir grains and sourdough starter, would ya? Those I can use. I don’t need any more pieces of paper. The ones you guys print up and call “money” are worthless enough, thanks, and I haven’t got any of those, either. I’ve already seen enough people with degrees slingin’ espressos at good ol’ “Green Bean” (you know who I’m talking about) and they had to fight just to get that job. That’s after Obama promised more great jobs for everyone in 2008, remember that?

Well, everyone can “feel the bern” all they want. Go ahead, be my guest. Find out the hard way all over again. Not that any of them is worth the proverbial plug nickel. Funny thing, though. These homemade signs have the same “semi-profile” image of Bernie’s face like the old 2008 Obama signs had of his. See? Everything repeats itself here every four years. If this was a backwoods expedition, they’d have passed the same oddly-shaped boulder fifteen times and no one would notice that or admit to being lost. And they’d all have snazzy college degrees, but no compass. Welcome to America. Hooray.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/04/jack-perry/feel-bern-baby-bern/
 

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I read this article today "why college students can't write"
http://www.nationalreview.com/phi-b...e-college-students-not-taught-write-sentences


In my day the complaint was that teachers were teaching what to think - not how to think

Apparently we've degraded from there and now they don't even teach grammar and punctuation.


In Bernie's free-college scenario, we'll be pushing through more unqualified students, and while this may graduate more SJWs, it'll do nothing for the literacy of the nation.
 
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We already have compulsory free government schools in most states, we don't need the equivalent to make the taxpayers pay for 4 years of party school living and rock/sex/drugs while they supposedly continue their education at a time in their lives when many of them are not ready for real, tough college courses! Most high school students are not ready for college nor do they have an appetite for serious courses at 18. Government footing the bill would just make it worse.
 

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We be having a deeper new generation of college stoodentz with entitlement mentality and little contribution to society making the entire concept unsustainable.

 

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It will look like high school and the tax payers will foot the bill........ then their will be grad school for the chosen ones.
K-12 & get a job. 2 year college (specialised training), 4 year college ( "degree"), 6-8 year college (you is special or rich) and now your 26 years old and still have NOT PRODUCED A F'N DIME!
 

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I'm not of retirement age yet, but I could imagine soaking up some free BTUs and a stipend, getting an education ogling the sweet young co-eds for a few years until I am. Hey, it's free. Right?

I'm starting to feel the Burn... :blond: (sarc off)
 

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The only thing colleges seem to teach these days is how to be offended and claim victim status in order to get freebies and take away money and honor from those students/people who actually go there to try and learn real usable job skills.
 

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All that Free College will do is allow students to delay growing up for 4, or 5 more years.

They'll hop on the free tuition wagon and never get out into the real world.
 

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Free rides only for certain "Chosen" people, how generous of you guys...I prefer that those who will someday have to foot the bill, get something out of it. I would however restrict it to real money paying majors, no French or Latin Lit. crap...
 

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There are no free rides...everyone knows this already. Seemingly "free" college will simply lower the value of college(which has already been dropping for some while) till it's completely meaningless and all that will be left is an even greater pile of debt. That people that live in reality still fall for this crap is startling.
 

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I wonder if the colleges realize what will happen to their big salaries and endowments. If the .gov is going to pay for college, why that big money they have invested will have to go to the .gov. It's only fair. How much does the dean of Harvard get paid and what will his salary and bennies be with Bernie? Classic fascist socialism, companies partner with the .gov and find that the .gov owns their ass.
 

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I wonder if the colleges realize what will happen to their big salaries and endowments. If the .gov is going to pay for college, why that big money they have invested will have to go to the .gov. It's only fair. How much does the dean of Harvard get paid and what will his salary and bennies be with Bernie? Classic fascist socialism, companies partner with the .gov and find that the .gov owns their ass.
Any idea how much $ is tied up in all those endowments? Gotta be HUGE!
 

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Any idea how much $ is tied up in all those endowments? Gotta be HUGE!
I heard something on NPR, I think, that had Harvard sitting on $5+ billion. That's just one school.
 

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That people that live in reality still fall for this crap is startling.
The sad reality is that most like the idea of getting more than they themselves are willing to pay for. It's why society, for the most part, is ok with borrowing from the future to pay current expenses.
Ie: someone else will be doing most of the paying for what they got.
 

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Well here is what he's actually peddling on his website....which leads me to ask: "WTF is #6???" And, he will "force" universities to meet the needs of the "underprivileged"? Define "needs"? Define "underprivileged"? This sort of DOES sound like ObarryCare--force those responsible to pay 3 times--once for themselves, once for the lazy and once to cover the bureaucracy through skyrocketing tuition costs.

https://berniesanders.com/issues/its-time-to-make-college-tuition-free-and-debt-free/

ISSUES
It’s Time to Make College Tuition Free and Debt Free

In a highly competitive global economy, we need the best-educated workforce in the world. It is insane and counter-productive to the best interests of our country and our future, that hundreds of thousands of bright young people cannot afford to go to college, and that millions of others leave school with a mountain of debt that burdens them for decades. That shortsighted path to the future must end.

As President, Bernie Sanders will fight to make sure that every American who studies hard in school can go to college regardless of how much money their parents make and without going deeply into debt.

HERE ARE THE SIX STEPS THAT BERNIE WILL TAKE AS PRESIDENT TO MAKE COLLEGE DEBT FREE:
  1. MAKE TUITION FREE AT PUBLIC COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES.
    This is not a radical idea. Last year, Germany eliminated tuition because they believed that charging students $1,300 per year was discouraging Germans from going to college. Next year, Chile will do the same. Finland, Norway, Sweden and many other countries around the world also offer free college to all of their citizens. If other countries can take this action, so can the United States of America.

    In fact, it’s what many of our colleges and universities used to do. The University of California system offered free tuition at its schools until the 1980s. In 1965, average tuition at a four-year public university was just $243 and many of the best colleges – including the City University of New York – did not charge any tuition at all. The Sanders plan would make tuition free at public colleges and universities throughout the country.
  2. STOP THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FROM MAKING A PROFIT ON STUDENT LOANS.
    Over the next decade, it has been estimated that the federal government will make a profit of over $110 billion on student loan programs. This is morally wrong and it is bad economics. As President, Sen. Sanders will prevent the federal government from profiteering on the backs of college students and use this money instead to significantly lower student loan interest rates.
  3. SUBSTANTIALLY CUT STUDENT LOAN INTEREST RATES.
    Under the Sanders plan, the formula for setting student loan interest rates would go back to where it was in 2006. If this plan were in effect today, interest rates on undergraduate loans would drop from 4.29% to just 2.37%.
  4. ALLOW AMERICANS TO REFINANCE STUDENT LOANS AT TODAY’S LOW INTEREST RATES.
    It makes no sense that you can get an auto loan today with an interest rate of 2.5%, but millions of college graduates are forced to pay interest rates of 5-7% or more for decades. Under the Sanders plan, Americans would be able to refinance their student loans at today’s low interest rates.
  5. ALLOW STUDENTS TO USE NEED-BASED FINANCIAL AID AND WORK STUDY PROGRAMS TO MAKE COLLEGE DEBT FREE.
    The Sanders plan would require public colleges and universities to meet 100% of the financial needs of the lowest-income students. Low-income students would be able to use federal, state and college financial aid to cover room and board, books and living expenses. And Sanders would more than triple the federal work study program to build valuable career experience that will help them after they graduate.
  6. FULLY PAID FOR BY IMPOSING A TAX ON WALL STREET SPECULATORS.
    The cost of this $75 billion a year plan is fully paid for by imposing a tax of a fraction of a percent on Wall Street speculators who nearly destroyed the economy seven years ago. More than 1,000 economists have endorsed a tax on Wall Street speculation and today some 40 countries throughout the world have imposed a similar tax including Britain, Germany, France, Switzerland, and China. If the taxpayers of this country could bailout Wall Street in 2008, we can make public colleges and universities tuition free and debt free throughout the country.
 

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In a highly competitive global economy, we need the best-educated workforce in the world.
When you outsource all jobs and make anything resembling a company that is instantly bogged down in bureaucracy who needs an education? The elite ruling class to rule over serf's?
 

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I heard something on NPR, I think, that had Harvard sitting on $5+ billion. That's just one school.
Yes, it is 5+ billion alright... actually it's 37.6 billion as of today. That's enough to give their current enrollment numbers full rides forever. And there are 90 schools in the US, both public and private, with endowments over 1 billion.

But just because they have the money doesn't mean that they should be forced to give it away. The reason they charge so much for tuition is because they can. That's due in large part to government meddling (student loan guarantees).

Further meddling by the government will only make the problem worse. "Free" education would mean a worthless education at a higher price.
 

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Here is a question. Why does the government need to give student loans, if the classes are free at public schools? If we are going to go this way and have classes free at public school then we can just end all the loan programs. Keeping the loans seems like a way to prop up private school. If public schools are all giving free classes then the prices of private schools should drop sharply. However, if you are giving really nice loans to people they might be tempted to go to a private school anyway and end up paying the higher rates.

If we are going to do something, we should do it right. Which means making the public colleges give a quality education to all the students. Not give a crappy free education on one side, while giving people loans to go into debt to get 'better quality' education on the side. They are basically saying they have no faith in the free education, so they still need to give loans to people to go else where.