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After seeing the recent sales numbers, I think it is becoming more likely that bird Johnson uncirculated emerges as the ultimate key.
 

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I think the FS series is very unusual.

Mintage may not be the dominating factor. I believe mintage, design, and popularity play key factors in the secondary market.

For example, the poor designs of the Eisenhower and Reagan coins are killing their prices on the secondary market, even though both Unc versions of the coins have mintage under 2000. On ebay, MS70s consistently sell for under $850 for both issues.

On the other hand, the Kennedy coin continues to bring in good sales at the Mint, even though the mintage is more than triple the other coins. I found a website that ranks the popularity of the spouses:

http://www.ranker.com/crowdranked-l...n-us-history?format=GRID&action=tab&type=list

In this ranking, the first 5 spouses are:

Kennedy
Roosevelt
Reagan
Washington
Ford

The next closest in popularity, of the ones still available, are Eisenhower, at #9, and Johnson, at #12.

When considering mintage, design, and popularity, the Roosevelt coin is head and shoulders above all the other coins, but it has already been discontinued.

Out of the ones remaining, I would say Ford is the best candidate for value, even if many other collectors also say the same.
 
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Just made an order of the 2016 Betty Ford Unc FS coin.

Betty Ford 2016 First Spouse Series One-Half Ounce Gold Uncirculated Coin
WEST POINT (W)
$770.00 Qty 1 Total: $770.00

Assuming this order does not result in a return, this will be my only FS coin bought from the Mint.
 

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Just made an order of the 2016 Betty Ford Unc FS coin.

Betty Ford 2016 First Spouse Series One-Half Ounce Gold Uncirculated Coin
WEST POINT (W)
$770.00 Qty 1 Total: $770.00

Assuming this order does not result in a return, this will be my only FS coin bought from the Mint.
The coin has arrived!

I must say, the packaging for these coins is very impressive. Unfortunately, that says nothing about the coin itself...

Perhaps I may wait 5 years or so before deciding whether to get the coin graded.
 

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The coin has arrived!

I must say, the packaging for these coins is very impressive. Unfortunately, that says nothing about the coin itself..
The packaging for the UNCs, with the polished burl boxes, is even nicer than the proofs. A really nice touch, imo. Just goes to show, these were created as collector coins/series, not for investment purposes.

Congratulations on your purchase. Hope you enjoy the coin.
 

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The mint website says, "Farewell to the First Spouse Program - Shop our collection of products."

Has anybody seen additional info on this?

I was wondering if they plan to pull the remaining products soon, or if this is just a ploy to sell them off quicker.
 

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That been up for a little while now. I think it's a ploy to move stock. But with the Mint, one never knows. Still if there isn't much action in the gold aisle, why take your items off the shelf?
 

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Last week's numbers...

First Spouse JQ2 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - TRUMAN 1883 07/16/2017
First Spouse JQ4 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - EISENHWR 2023 07/16/2017
First Spouse JQ6 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - KENNEDY 6718 07/16/2017
First Spouse JQ8 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - JOHNSON 1799 07/16/2017
First Spouse 16SB 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - NIXON 1630 07/16/2017
First Spouse 16SD 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - FORD 1622 07/16/2017
First Spouse 16SF 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - REAGAN 1887 07/16/2017
 

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Mint states they will pull the remaining spouses by year end. Miserable end to a reviled series. We will have some low, low pop coins in the books in a few months. Wonder where this will go down the line?
 

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Bombshell of a series but I see the premiums rising on these, particularly the low low mintage uglys graded 70.
 
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So the question is......which spouse will be the "key" to a series that almost no one collects? Kinda defeats the purpose, but someone will be it.
 

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Sales numbers for the last two weeks...
First Spouse JQ2 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - TRUMAN 1892 08/20/2017
First Spouse JQ4 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - EISENHWR 2037 08/20/2017
First Spouse JQ6 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - KENNEDY 6749 08/20/2017
First Spouse JQ8 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - JOHNSON 1821 08/20/2017
First Spouse 16SB 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - NIXON 1656 08/20/2017
First Spouse 16SD 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - FORD 1650 08/20/2017
First Spouse 16SF 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - REAGAN 1909 08/20/2017

First Spouse JQ2 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - TRUMAN 1894 08/27/2017
First Spouse JQ4 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - EISENHWR 2039 08/27/2017
First Spouse JQ6 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - KENNEDY 6755 08/27/2017
First Spouse JQ8 2015 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - JOHNSON 1823 08/27/2017
First Spouse 16SB 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - NIXON 1661 08/27/2017
First Spouse 16SD 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - FORD 1650 08/27/2017
First Spouse 16SF 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - REAGAN 1913 08/27/2017
My fingers are crossed for the Ford Unc, my lone FS coin, to become the key.
 

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Sales at 10/8/17

It's a horse race....

Betty Ford Unc. (2016) 1,667
Patricia Nixon Unc. (2016) 1,686
Lady Bird Johnson Unc. (2015) 1,847
Bess Truman Unc. (2015) 1,910
Nancy Reagan Unc. (2016) 1,928
Mamie Eisenhower Unc. (2015) 2,058

Betty Ford PF (2016) 2,414
Patricia Nixon PF (2016) 2,599
Lady Bird Johnson PF (2015) 2,653 — Sold out
Mamie Eisenhower PF (2015) 2,704 — Sold out
Bess Truman PF (2015) 2,715
Nancy Reagan PF (2016) 3,449
 

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I gotta believe Betty will take the crown. She has been slowly pulling away for some time now.
Quite possibly. But you can't discount the sudden rush of buyers at the last minute that turn a key in to a ho-hum. Guess we'll find out soon if that happens here.
 

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At last. At long, long last. I've been following this series since 2008 when Louisa Adams established the low mintage trend. To all who've lost hope remember this series was once quite hot in the market, it's all documented. It could happen again.
 

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At last. At long, long last. I've been following this series since 2008 when Louisa Adams established the low mintage trend. To all who've lost hope remember this series was once quite hot in the market, it's all documented. It could happen again.
That is the first thought I have either read or considered in a long, long time that is even remotely optimistic regarding the future of this series. Thanks for that.
 

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Either Betty ford or Patricia Nixon will be the key of the whole series.
Anyone speculating on remaining spouses should remember that the "FINAL KEY" mintage wise is still unknown and will be for some time. The last coins in the series to have their mintages audited were the 2011's! There will end up being several coins close to each other at mintage lows but I have to think from a practical standpoint, five years plus down the road, these 'keys' will all be equally scarce in the marketplace at any given time
 
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16SB 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – NIXON 1,698 +3
16SC 2016 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ – FORD 2,425 –
16SD 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – FORD 1,679 +5
16SE 2016 FS GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ – REAGAN 3,475 +5
16SF 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – REAGAN 1,938 -
 

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16SB 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – NIXON 1,698 +3
16SD 2016 FS GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ – FORD 1,679 +5
At the current rate of sales, and assuming the rate stays constant (haha) FORD would overtake NIXON in 10 weeks. But we don't have 10 weeks and nothing is constant.

According to this website, Eleanor Roosevelt UNC is the current 3rd lowest mintage at 1886 (unaudited).

http://firstspousegoldcoin.com/first-spouse-gold-coin-mintages/

It would be quite funny if Ford & Nixon sold heavily in the next few weeks and someone else who was already sold out took the 'ultimate key' position.

edit: 11/29/17 Let's go to the video tape....

On November 14, the spread between Ford (1679) & Nixon (1698) was +19 coins for Nixon
On November 29, the spread between Ford (1691) & Nixon (1703) was +12 coins for Nixon

It's going to be a photo finish...
 
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Sales are still pretty slow. As of 11/26:

First Spouse GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ - NIXON: 2609
First Spouse GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - NIXON: 1703
First Spouse GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ - FORD: 2431
First Spouse GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - FORD: 1691
 

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As of 12/17/17:

First Spouse GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ - NIXON: 2626
First Spouse GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - NIXON: 1738
First Spouse GOLD PROOF 1/2 OZ - FORD: 2449
First Spouse GOLD UNC 1/2 OZ - FORD: 1738

It's going to be a photo finish to the bottom .....
 
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Remember if you buy spouse gold coins a few days before 12/31, you can return your order after the final week sales number become available. Free bet?
 

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As of 12/24, the Unc numbers:

Truman: 1931
Johnson: 1895
Nixon: 1975
Ford: 1975
Reagan: 1998

What happens when your girlfriend gives you a key to her apartment and you lose it?

No new key
 

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It would be quite funny if Ford & Nixon sold heavily in the next few weeks and someone else who was already sold out took the 'ultimate key' position.
Remember this post from Nov. 15th. ?

Wonder how many are going to be sent back now.

edit:
It is most interesting to note that each coin sold exactly 237 more than the previous week. What's the chances in that? In one week 237 x 2 = 474 x $800ea = about $380k. Some serious money.
 
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