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https://www.galvnews.com/news/free/article_7afbcdfe-7a38-5a68-808d-ff7a116c5198.html

FLAGSTAFF, Ariz.

Before Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin knew they would be the first to walk on the moon, they took crash courses in geology at the Grand Canyon and a nearby impact crater that is the most well-preserved on Earth.

Northern Arizona has had deep ties to the Apollo missions: Every moon-walking astronaut trained here, and a crater on the moon was even named in honor of the city of Flagstaff.

“It’s a really interesting and unique part of our history, and it’s really cool to think that this relatively small town in northern Arizona played such a big role in the Apollo missions,” said Benjamin Carver, a public lands historian at Northern Arizona University.

Today, astronaut candidates still train in and around Flagstaff, which is among many cities celebrating the 50th anniversary of the first moon landing on July 20, 1969.
They walk in the same volcanic cinder fields where the U.S. Geological Survey intentionally blasted hundreds of craters from the ground to replicate the lunar surface, testing rovers and geology tools.

Scientists used early photos of the moon taken from orbit and re-created the Sea of Tranquility with “remarkable accuracy” before Apollo 11 landed there in 1969, the Geological Survey said.


Astronauts studied moon mapping at Lowell Observatory in Flagstaff where Pluto was discovered and peered at their eventual destination through telescopes at various northern Arizona sites.

The region’s role in moon missions is credited to former Geological Survey scientist Gene Shoemaker, who moved the agency’s astrogeology branch to Flagstaff in 1963. It wasn’t long before Shoemaker guided Armstrong and Aldrin on hikes at Meteor Crater as he pushed to ensure NASA would include geology in lunar exploration.
A story passed down by geologists at the crater says Aldrin ripped his spacesuit on jagged limestone rocks that are part of the aptly named “tear-pants formation,” forcing a redesign, head tour guide Jeff Beal said.

Armstrong and Aldrin also hiked the Grand Canyon. A historical photo shows Armstrong carrying a rock hammer, a hand lens and a backpack for rock samples.
Harrison “Jack” Schmitt was the only Apollo astronaut who didn’t train at the national park. The geologist left Flagstaff to become an astronaut, and while his comrades were learning geology, he was learning to be a pilot.

In another historical photo, Apollo astronauts Jim Irwin and David Scott ride around in Grover, a prototype of the lunar rover made in Flagstaff from spare parts and now on display at the Astrogeology Science Center.

The eventual lunar rover used in three Apollo missions famously got a broken fender on a 1972 mission to the moon. Astronauts cobbled together a quick fix that included a map produced by geologists in Flagstaff.

In yet another historical photo, Pete Conrad and Alan Bean stand in the volcanic cinder field bordered by ponderosa pine trees holding a tool carrier. Bean would later say: “I now love geology, thanks to these early experiences in Flagstaff,” local historian Kevin Schindler co-wrote in a book on space training in northern Arizona.
Lauren Edgar, a research geologist at the Astrogeology Science Center, is working with the 2017 class of astronaut candidates who will be in Flagstaff later this year for field training.

“It will be pretty inspiring for them. It’s inspiring for us being involved in this, but knowing you’re walking in the boot steps of these previous astronauts here in Flagstaff and, hopefully, some day on another body,” she said.

Flagstaff is celebrating the 50th anniversary of the first moon landing with tours, exhibits, talks and moon-themed food and art.

Charlie Duke, the youngest astronaut on the moon, is returning to Flagstaff in September as the keynote speaker at an annual science festival. He and Jason Young, who were on Apollo 17, named a moon crater “Flag Crater.”

Retired Flagstaff geologist Gerald Schaber plans to celebrate the lunar legacy wearing the same turquoise bolo tie that distinguished Shoemaker’s Arizona crew from others who worked on moon missions. Schaber was at Mission Control in Houston in 1969, monitoring black-and-white images while bent over a map trying to gauge the distance between Armstrong and Aldrin using cutouts of the men.

“I was just trying to do the best I could with the primitive tracking ability we had in those days,” he said from his home in Flagstaff where he has a signed photograph of a hill on the moon that Apollo 15 astronauts referred to “Schaber Hill.”

Of the three crater fields created in northern Arizona for astronaut training in the late 1960s, only one has a sign acknowledging its importance in the moon missions. Visitors can walk through gaps in a barbed-wire fence and feel their feet sink into the volcanic cinders, although not as deep as the astronauts’ feet on the moon.

The craters don’t come into view without being close up, some as darkened, shallow depressions and others as giant welts in the ground partially lost to the weather.
Arizona has approved a nomination to list several of the training sites on the National Register of Historic Places to better preserve them, but federal approval is still needed.
 

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Same thing with the Mars rover. It didn’t land on Mars.

Somebody explain to me how a parachute works in a near vacuum.....

That rover would have slammed into the surface of Mars and been demolished on impact.

The space program is a smokescreen for top secret weapons testing. It’s just a distraction for the masses.

No man has walked on the moon. We’re not “going back” to the moon and we’re not going to colonize Mars. It’s all ridiculous.
 

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Even my wife has come over to the fake moon landing side. If we did it in 1969 in a jiffy pop popcorn lander it would be easy to do today.
 

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Even my wife has come over to the fake moon landing side. If we did it in 1969 in a jiffy pop popcorn lander it would be easy to do today.
If 11 teachers at your nearest school were killed in “accidents” in a 2 year period, would call it coincidence or seriously suspect foul play?

In a 2 year period prior to the Apollo “program” (programming the masses to believe bullshit), 11 NASA astronauts were killed and replaced with Freemasons. 7 of the 11 died in 1967 - 6 of them in 6 separate plane crashes!

The notion that in 1969 3 men walked around under intense radiation on a rock with 500 degree temperature swings in the vacuum of space....is utter nonsense.

And to boot they lost/destroyed all evidence that would prove their accomplishment. It simply didn’t happen. It is IMPOSSIBLE today and it was impossible 50 years ago. No other nation on the planet has ever even attempted it.
 

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If 11 teachers at your nearest school were killed in “accidents” in a 2 year period, would call it coincidence or seriously suspect foul play?

In a 2 year period prior to the Apollo “program” (programming the masses to believe bullshit), 11 NASA astronauts were killed and replaced with Freemasons. 7 of the 11 died in 1967 - 6 of them in 6 separate plane crashes!

The notion that in 1969 3 men walked around under intense radiation on a rock with 500 degree temperature swings in the vacuum of space....is utter nonsense.

And to boot they lost/destroyed all evidence that would prove their accomplishment. It simply didn’t happen. It is IMPOSSIBLE today and it was impossible 50 years ago. No other nation on the planet has ever even attempted it.
^^THIS^^ It doesn't take a Rhodes Scholar to put the pieces together now that we've seen how untrustworthy our government has been all along!
 

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Yeah, but if it didn’t happen, why isn’t China/Russia/et al calling out the US for BS? They’ve sent probes to the moon too, so they’d know if the lunar module wasn’t there.

???????
 

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Yep. Nevermind the Chinese and India moon landing sitell surveys........

You know. The pesky 3rd party evidence that the moony idiots can't bear to face up to.
 

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Yeah, but if it didn’t happen, why isn’t China/Russia/et al calling out the US for BS? They’ve sent probes to the moon too, so they’d know if the lunar module wasn’t there.

???????
That's because the Soviet Union and now Russia and China are in cahoots with the US to pull the wool over your eyes. C'mon man, get with the program!
 

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I wonder why they can't point the Hubble at the Moon and take a pic of what remains of the landing site?
 

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I wonder why they can't point the Hubble at the Moon and take a pic of what remains of the landing site?
That question has been ansswered at least a dozen times in these moon hoax threads that keep popping up.

It's because of a limitation of the optics to focus on something so small and relatively close to the telescope. Hubble was designed to look a big stuff far far away. Trying to use Hubble to look at the Apollo landing sites would be like trying to use your eyes to count the legs on a flea sitting on the tip of your nose. You just can't focus to the resolution needed to do so.

 

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Here's a good rundown of how all this moon hoax b.s. got started.

Everyone on this thread needs to watch it so you can all see how all of this stuff got started in the first place. Especially those believing it was a hoax, so they can see exactly what they've chosen to hang their hats on.


 

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Yeah, but if it didn’t happen, why isn’t China/Russia/et al calling out the US for BS? They’ve sent probes to the moon too, so they’d know if the lunar module wasn’t there.

???????
Google the Great Grain Robbery. If we were such enemies, why did the US sell grain at less than market prices to our so- called "enemies" in 1972? (Right after the "moon landings"). And who said that they were our enemies? The same people who told you about the fake moon landings, that's who.. And how do US astronauts get to the space station now? On Russian rockets, that's how. You know, our mortal enemies who would blow the whistle if the moon landings were fake. Right.

I would love for the moon landings to be real, I was fully on board as a kid and watched the fake moon landing.
 
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Yeah, but if it didn’t happen, why isn’t China/Russia/et al calling out the US for BS? They’ve sent probes to the moon too, so they’d know if the lunar module wasn’t there.

???????
Because it would call into question their own bullshit space programs. Remember that these space agencies are run by globalists....you know...the same guys that meet secretly at Bilderberg, Trilateral, CFR, Round Table, etc.
 

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I wonder why they can't point the Hubble at the Moon and take a pic of what remains of the landing site?
The same reason they destroyed any evidence that would prove the mission put men on the moon.
 

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The Russians were never able to get through the Van Allen Radiation Belt. The farther east they could go was 272 miles from the surface of the Earth. In1959 Bill Kaysing reported on a Russian study which discovered that the amount of radiation on the moon would require astronauts to be clothed in 4 feet of lead in order to avoid instant death. John Mauldin, a NASA physicist, said they would need at least two meters of thick shielding. How did the NASA astronauts account for the Van Allen Belt and Moon’s radiation? How were they able to walk on the Moon in such flimsy suits? Why has no one else before or since gone through the Van Allen Belt? On top of this, every 11 years the Belt varies through cycles of radiation and 1969-70 during the Apollo missions was at peak intensity. NASA has never provided an adequate explanation for this.
 

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china as rival/enemy (per nyc.media vipers)....but enjoys MOST FAVORED status for decades from dc. add in nyc.banking vipers bailed them out of losing positions in the last credit implosion

anyone that falls for the china meme is sleepwalking
 

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anyone that falls for the china meme is sleepwalking
Same can be said for those falling for the fake moon landing hypothesis.
...because it is a hypothesis. As in there's no proof of it having been faked. It's all just made up stuff of one guy who wrote a book about it.


The same reason they destroyed any evidence that would prove the mission put men on the moon.
So you honestly don't understand that there are limits to the resolution and focal length of any camera or scope?

The Hubble resolving the Apollo landing sites would be kind of like trying to use a standard pair of binoculars to count the ants on an anthill from 300 yards away. Ie: it can't zoom in and focus on something that small at that distance.
 

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Same can be said for those falling for the fake moon landing hypothesis.
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most favored is not a point of contention. china in the frbny bailouts is not a point of contention. yet you attempt to conflate the wild claims of moon walking, dune buggy driving, we cant do it again b.s.???? those items are not even in the same universe.

everyone paying attention to this poster's mission here?
 

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here we go. everyone paying attention to it's mission here?
You're the only "it" who's on mission.
....a mission to deny the truth.

Someone should start another chemtrail thread. Ain't had one of them bombs in a while.
 
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everyone paying attention to this poster's mission here?
Only mission I'm on is one to help eradicate willfull ignorance.
 

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they didnt only go to the moon. they carried a jeep with them :)

but can't repeat it.....lol

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And when they were driving that vehicle in a vacuum on the surface of the moon, the temperature was 243 degrees F! Amazing how the tires didn’t blow out and those astronauts didn’t break a sweat in temperates well above the boiling point of water (which in a vacuum water would actually boil instantly).

Micrometeors? No problem.
Deadly cosmic radiation? No problem.
No atmosphere? No problem.
240 degree temperatures? No problem.

They should have made the entire event a cartoon. It would have been a much better quality picture...and more believable.
 

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And when they were driving that vehicle in a vacuum on the surface of the moon, the temperature was 243 degrees F! Amazing how the tires didn’t blow out and those astronauts didn’t break a sweat in temperates well above the boiling point of water
the fact you think the tires were inflated with air doesn't lend your argument much credibility.
...and temperature in space doesn't work the same way it does here in Earth's atmosphere. You're trying to equate it as being the same as air temperature here on Earth. It's not the same.


My question to any/all the believers of it being a hoax, why do you keep bringing up the same failed arguments in support of it, over and over and over again?
All moon rocks are petrified wood. No blast crater. No stars in pics. Why can't Hubble see the landing sites? Why havent we been back? Too much radiation. Weak computer. Too hot in space. Too cold in space. Etc etc etc.
Everything, all of it, has been thoroughly debunked.
 
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A very intelligent & wise man once said the 20th century was one big lie.
 

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Y'all do know that three different Apollo missions left behind retroreflectors that scientists on earth use, to this very day, to measure the movement of the moon, right?
 

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Y'all do know that three different Apollo missions left behind retroreflectors that scientists on earth use, to this very day, to measure the movement of the moon, right?
Yep, still used to this very day. Here is a nice explanation about how those reflectors work and where they are located.

 

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Y'all do know that three different Apollo missions left behind retroreflectors that scientists on earth use, to this very day, to measure the movement of the moon, right?
Retroreflectors are not necessary to bounce a laser light off the moon. MythBusters actually proved this on their show.

If there are retroreflectors on the moon, they weren’t placed there by NASA astronots. Nor does their presence prove man walked on the moon.
 

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the fact you think the tires were inflated with air doesn't lend your argument much credibility.
...and temperature in space doesn't work the same way it does here in Earth's atmosphere. You're trying to equate it as being the same as air temperature here on Earth. It's not the same.


My question to any/all the believers of it being a hoax, why do you keep bringing up the same failed arguments in support of it, over and over and over again?
All moon rocks are petrified wood. No blast crater. No stars in pics. Why can't Hubble see the landing sites? Why havent we been back? Too much radiation. Weak computer. Too hot in space. Too cold in space. Etc etc etc.
Everything, all of it, has been thoroughly debunked.
No, it has not been debunked!
 

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