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Flat Earth - For all the Ballers out there I have a question..

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The weakness is in the inability of people to reason and research.
Which is exactly what you aren't doing.

I am gathering information and sorting through what is proposed as information.
What you mean is that you gather data and then discard any of it that doesn't fit what you think you are trying to prove. Ie: a confirmation bias, you employ.
 

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The sunlight takes a complicated path through each water droplet. It comes in the side closest to the sun, bends because the index of refraction in water is bigger than that of air. The sunlight, passing through the water droplet, bounces off the back surface of the droplet, travels back to the other side, and bends once again on its way out.

The reason why the rainbow is curved is because all the angles in the water drop have to be just right for the drop to send some sunlight to you, standing on the ground. So, with the sun behind you, only those water droplets that have the same angle formed by you, the drop, and the sun (this angle happens to be approximately 42 degrees) will contribute to the rainbow. The rainbow is curved because the set of all the raindrops that have the right angle between you, the drop, and the sun lie on a cone pointing at the sun with you at one tip. Other droplets send their light somewhere else, and if you move to a different location, new droplets are needed to make the rainbow you see in the new location.

So there's no reason that the Earth being flat or curved ought to change the shape of a rainbow.

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I was talking about refraction, not diffraction. The rainbow shows us that refraction is happening because we can see it in the diffracted components of the light. If there were no diffracted wavelengths, would we know the light is being refracted? But I said ARC of the rainbow. And uncover the principle of the refraction at work.
 

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Overall, we're pretty good here about keeping posts friendly and not making personal attacks. It would be nice if you could keep your comments confined to arguments about the points instead of belittling posters. We don't want to turn this place into a troll farm like Twitter.

Thanks!
It is a two-way road. Look through this thread and see who is trolling with ridicule. And look who is trolling without bringing knowledge or personal observations of reality into the discussion. Then get back to me.
 

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It is a two-way road. Look through this thread and see who is trolling with ridicule.
If you're referring to me, the only time I did anything like that was only after the person I had been engaging insisted on calling names and belittling me first.
Hey, if flat Earthers call me stupid etc, that just means that's how they want to be treated in return. If they stay civil, so do I.

It's a variation of the golden rule I sometimes use.
When treating others as you want to be treated has failed, simply assume that they are telling you how they like to be treated, and then oblige them.
 

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I'm trolling with ridicule.
 

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But I said ARC of the rainbow.
The arc of a rainbow is created in the viewers eye. Ie: the arc isn't actually real, and the arc you see is different from the arc that others see. It's all just Sunlight bouncing around.
 

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Specialism is just a liar.
 

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Why do we fly, out of SFO, over Alaska to get to Japan faster/shorter, instead of flying over Hawaii ?
A flat earth would not have that difference. "splain me Lucy !
 

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Why do we fly, out of SFO, over Alaska to get to Japan faster/shorter, instead of flying over Hawaii ?
Because if ya wanted to go to Japan and flew over Hawaii on the way, it would mean you were headed to Australia instead.
 

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It's a variation of the golden rule I sometimes use.
Hummm. "A variation"
not karma... payback? no, — what comes around, goes around.
Let me see if I can think this through, joe.
an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth soon leaves us all blind and toothless

Everyone experiences life through their own senses.

maybe

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Hummm. "A variation"
not karma... payback? no, — what comes around, goes around.
Let me see if I can think this through, joe.
Do unto others how they tell you they want you to do unto them.
 

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When ships sail away, why do they slowly disappear over the horizon? Wouldn't they stay in view if the earth were flat?
 

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Because if ya wanted to go to Japan and flew over Hawaii on the way, it would mean you were headed to Australia instead.
I was making a general statement as apposed to flying over Alaska.
This pretty much destroys the flat earth crap.
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I was making a general statement as apposed to flying over Alaska.
This pretty much destroys the flat earth crap.
Partly because of that, but I believe also because of the prevailing winds. I flew into Korea from here in the Midwest, we did fly over Alaska, also down over Russia and part of China and into Korea. The return trip we also took advantage of the prevailing winds and flew a more straight pattern, which may have been longer, but took less time because of a tail wind.
 

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Next up........circular runways!
 

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An interesting idea but I'm sure it has been tried before. My question is; how are you going to navigate the mountains that protect the edge? Every expedition to the edge seems to have gotten irretrievably lost trying to penetrate those mountains. And, if by some chance you do find your way thru the mountains you will either fall off the edge or become lost trying to return thru them.

And don't mention GPS because surely, at the edge of the world, you will be out of the range of those satellites that have to circle over the main part of the flat earth.

JMHO
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So that's what's surrlunding the "edge" of the earth - - big mountains? Who knew.

What countries border on the "edge" of the earth? Surely you'd be able to visit and see all the "big mountains" from these countries, no?
 

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Go to a shoreline and watch a ship sail off away from you. You see it drop below the horizon... you think. Now look thru strong binos or telescope. There it is again, even when it should be below the horizon mathematically.
If you're on the east coast why can't you look through a telescope and see Europe or that big tower in Dubai?
 

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Moar FAKE news —

American endurance athlete becomes the first person to cross Antarctica solo
CNN

American endurance athlete Colin O'Brady became the first person to cross Antarctica solo without help after 54 days traversing the barren, frigid continent, he said in an Instagram post.

O'Brady revealed Wednesday that he covered the final 80 miles in one continuous push to the finish line that lasted more than 32 hours.

O'Brady revealed Wednesday that he covered the final 80 miles in one continuous push to the finish line that lasted more than 32 hours.
"FINISH LINE!!! I did it!" he wrote.

O'Brady is not the first to attempt the trip. British explorer Henry Worsley tried a solo trek of Antarctica in 2016, but he had to be rescued 30 miles from the finish and later died of an infection. He had traveled for 71 days unaided before that point.

Another explorer, Lou Rudd, began a solo trek of Antarctica without help on the same day as O'Brady did. Rudd reached the South Pole on December 13 and is about 90% done with the trip, according to a Shackleton brand webpage set up to track his expedition.

These guys must be just makin this shit up, right flatards?
Oh well, whattya expect from CNN?

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Moar FAKE news —

American endurance athlete becomes the first person to cross Antarctica solo
CNN

American endurance athlete Colin O'Brady became the first person to cross Antarctica solo without help after 54 days traversing the barren, frigid continent, he said in an Instagram post.

O'Brady revealed Wednesday that he covered the final 80 miles in one continuous push to the finish line that lasted more than 32 hours.

O'Brady revealed Wednesday that he covered the final 80 miles in one continuous push to the finish line that lasted more than 32 hours.
"FINISH LINE!!! I did it!" he wrote.

O'Brady is not the first to attempt the trip. British explorer Henry Worsley tried a solo trek of Antarctica in 2016, but he had to be rescued 30 miles from the finish and later died of an infection. He had traveled for 71 days unaided before that point.

Another explorer, Lou Rudd, began a solo trek of Antarctica without help on the same day as O'Brady did. Rudd reached the South Pole on December 13 and is about 90% done with the trip, according to a Shackleton brand webpage set up to track his expedition.

These guys must be just makin this shit up, right flatards?
Oh well, whattya expect from CNN?

BF
Stories of people trekking across Antarctica makes me wonder how one bathes down there??
 

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CNN - aren't they the group that just makes stuff up?

80 miles in 32 hours had to be really trekking hard. I can do a normal 3 MPH on flat ground, no pack or heavy clothing, without allowing for any breaks, that would be 26.66666 hours of walking. I'm thinking something is fake about the time or distance in that type of environment.
 

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CNN - aren't they the group that just makes stuff up?

80 miles in 32 hours had to be really trekking hard. I can do a normal 3 MPH on flat ground, no pack or heavy clothing, without allowing for any breaks, that would be 26.66666 hours of walking. I'm thinking something is fake about the time or distance in that type of environment.
Naw, dan, he did that alright. 80 miles in 32 hours.
go to the link and read the story (I edit pretty harshly) and you can see he's an athlete. He pulled a sled, kept track on insta-whatcha-callit all the way and just crossed the Antarctic continent, not the ice shelves.
 

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Naw, dan, he did that alright. 80 miles in 32 hours.
go to the link and read the story (I edit pretty harshly) and you can see he's an athlete. He pulled a sled, kept track on insta-whatcha-callit all the way and just crossed the Antarctic continent, not the ice shelves.
Was he on a pair of skis?
 

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Naw, dan, he did that alright. 80 miles in 32 hours.
go to the link and read the story (I edit pretty harshly) and you can see he's an athlete. He pulled a sled, kept track on insta-whatcha-callit all the way and just crossed the Antarctic continent, not the ice shelves.
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I wonder if Sol has seen this...
maybe that's why he left. Or maybe he just got some bad turkey and expired...
<sniff> come back Sol
 

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I wonder if Sol has seen this.
Would it matter if he had? Doubtful.
....and what the guy in the vid said about them believing nonsense that sounds profound, hit the nail on the head. Because that's exactly what ya gotta do to buy into the crap otherwise known as flat Earth hokum.
 

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So I was looking at Google Maps yesterday and after zooming out, it hit me that I should be able to center the "globe" on the equator and see the parts of the arctic and antarctic. The thing is, when you center the map on the equator, you can't see any part of Antarctica...and when you rotate it so that you CAN see Antarctica, you have to rotate it too far...when centered on the equator, Antarctica is literally on back, bottom side of the globe. Something isn't right with that.

So, I went and looked at some NASA photos of the Earth, and then tried to recreate the photo with Google Maps....when I did, the same phenomenon occurs....you can't see either the Arctic or Antarctic. It is almost like the superimposed map is the wrong size for the "globe". Weird...

P.S., I don't subscribe to the "flat earth" theory, but this has me perpelexed....can someone explain what is going on?


 

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So I was looking at Google Maps yesterday and after zooming out, it hit me that I should be able to center the "globe" on the equator and see the parts of the arctic and antarctic. The thing is, when you center the map on the equator, you can't see any part of Antarctica...and when you rotate it so that you CAN see Antarctica, you have to rotate it too far...when centered on the equator, Antarctica is literally on back, bottom side of the globe. Something isn't right with that.

So, I went and looked at some NASA photos of the Earth, and then tried to recreate the photo with Google Maps....when I did, the same phenomenon occurs....you can't see either the Arctic or Antarctic. It is almost like the superimposed map is the wrong size for the "globe". Weird...

P.S., I don't subscribe to the "flat earth" theory, but this has me perpelexed....can someone explain what is going on?

Cairo is about 30 degrees North of the equator. In the photo of the world I linked, the equator is along the green strip in Africa...Cairo at the top of the Red Sea near the Mediterranean. So from the green strip to Cairo is about 30 degrees of latitude....another 30 degrees puts you almost at the top of the visible edge of the photo...the top of the world is 90 degrees of latitude....where did the other 30 degrees go??

P.S. I think it's an aspect angle thing that tricks the eye into giving the appearance that the map is skewed...but still, it's freaking me out.
 

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Cairo is about 30 degrees North of the equator. In the photo of the world I linked, the equator is along the green strip in Africa...Cairo at the top of the Red Sea near the Mediterranean. So from the green strip to Cairo is about 30 degrees of latitude....another 30 degrees puts you almost at the top of the visible edge of the photo...the top of the world is 90 degrees of latitude....where did the other 30 degrees go??

P.S. I think it's an aspect angle thing that tricks the eye into giving the appearance that the map is skewed...but still, it's freaking me out.
How much you can see on the globe depends on the distance. There is a nice example in this video at about 3:35 using a real globe. Is that the effect you're referring to?
 

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P.S., I don't subscribe to the "flat earth" theory, but this has me perpelexed....can someone explain what is going on?
What you are noticing actually proves you're looking at a sphere.


How much you can see on the globe depends on the distance.

Here's another good vid that covers it,


 

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How much you can see on the globe depends on the distance. There is a nice example in this video at about 3:35 using a real globe. Is that the effect you're referring to?
I believe so...I spent much of my professional career looking at satellite imagery as a meteorologist, so I don't believe the earth is flat. I can, however, understand why the optical illusions cause people to doubt what they see.
 

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Amazing how when a ship is visible and appears to go “over” the horizon (when they really mean under), you can bring it right back into view by zooming in with a pair of binoculars.
 

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Can you prove that statement, or is it just what you want to believe?


BTW, have you heard about the new flat Earth research that's being planned? Word is that a buncha flat Earthers are chartering a voyage to Antarctica and the ice wall. It'll be a real hoot!
....and all they gotta do is sail around Antarctica to prove to themselves and everyone else that it isn't 35,000 miles in circumference. That's about how big it would need to be if'n the Earth were in fact flat.