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ford is a disaster. ceo just crapped all over earnings estimates

lots of recalls with their vehicles, esp the electrics. know a guy that bought an elec mustang -- it's been in the shop for over a month, with no end in sight. the 'charging system' is what ford claims - his was fully charged and just went dead at once. he says there's a whole passel of problems going on with their new vehicles

his new ford gasoline truck is also in the shop with transmission issues

dumpster fire
GM is more garage fire than dumpster fire.

The $8k tax credit for EVs and hybrids is basically a bailout for legacy auto as they try and fail to transition to electric vehicles.
 

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total disasta --- 9 recalls (and counting) for their e-stang


Yet Another Mustang Mach-E Recall: This Time For Broken Half-Shafts​


by Thom Taylor
| More Articles: Hybrids & Electrics


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September 1, 2022






It’s becoming a disappointing cliché- another day, another Ford Mustang Mach-E recall. Whether brought to the market too quickly, or assembly line quality lapses are sneaking by, Ford is having recall problems with many of its new releases. The problem for the Mach-E this time causing a recall is broken half-shafts. And the sequence of events leading up to the National Highway Traffic Safety recall is curious.

Why did Ford issue a recall for the Mustang Mach-E?​

A gray 2023 Ford Mustang Mach-E electric SUV is parked.
The 2023 Ford Mustang Mach-E | Ford
Ford first knew about the issue in late July. At the Cuautitlan Assembly Plant in Mexico, two Mach-E Mustangs were found to have broken right rear half-shafts. One was found in a noise validation test, while the other was discovered during shipping inspection.







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Ford looked into the issue and found that the half-shaft in question only came online on July 18, 2022. It was manufactured by the new tier-2 supplier Neapco. But one operation in the manufacturing of the part was handled by Yecheng. So the American EV built in Mexico had an issue with a part made in China.

Why are the Mustang Mach-E Half-Shafts defective?​

A red Ford Mustang Mach-E electric SUV is driving on the road.
The Ford Mustang Mach-E | Ford

“Yecheng suspended its 100 percent inspection of the bottom wall thickness of the rear-right half shaft outer race production line due to labor shortages caused by the Chinese New Year,” according to Neapco. Not to be judgemental, but it would appear that Yecheng maybe shouldn’t be involved in making automobile components.
The NHTSA discovered that “a thin wall on the outer race, allowed the half-shaft stem to break under load. Improper placement during the green turning in the lathe caused too much material to be removed, exceeding the specified minimum wall thickness of 9.1 millimeters (0.35 inches). In other words, Yengheng took off too much of the weld while machining it down. Even with excellent penetration, if the weld is too thin, it will break.
Of the 4,608 half-shafts made, 504 were shipped to Ford’s Cuautitlan Assembly Plant. Once sorted and inspected, Neapco found seven non-compliant half-shafts. As of now, Ford is unaware of any accidents or warranty claims.

How many Mach-E Mustangs are recalled?​

A white Ford Mustang Mach-E electric SUV is parked.
The Ford Mustang Mach-E | Ford
NHTSA has recalled 1,175 Mach-E Mustangs, manufactured between July 18 and July 29. Owners will receive recall notices later this month. The fix is to replace the right rear half-shaft. Ford is also inspecting half-shafts as they come into the assembly plant. For more information, you can go to Ford’s recall site
This is the third recall for the 2022 Mach-E. Overall, there have been nine recalls since the Mach-E was launched. The two for 2022 models were for rear seat belts not being secured to the floor (22V412000). A second recall was for the high voltage battery main-contactors overheating (21V979000). This was issued in June.
The six recalls issued for the 2021 Mach-E included loose front subframe bolts (21V140000), panoramic roof panels blowing off due to insufficient bonding (21V712000), poorly bonded windshields (21V711000), Rear seat belts not anchored to the floor (21V979000), unintended acceleration due to a software problem on all-wheel-drive models (22V333000), and overheating high voltage battery main contactors (22V412000).
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Can I do this with that electric truck? If not, I'll stick with diesel.


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ford is a disaster. ceo just crapped all over earnings estimates

lots of recalls with their vehicles, esp the electrics. know a guy that bought an elec mustang -- it's been in the shop for over a month, with no end in sight. the 'charging system' is what ford claims - his was fully charged and just went dead at once. he says there's a whole passel of problems going on with their new vehicles

his new ford gasoline truck is also in the shop with transmission issues

dumpster fire
And that's not mentioning the Broncos issues.

 

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Toyota is going to look brilliant for resisting the plug-in electric craze.

(Looking for a YouTube on DIY conversion of a Camry to nuclear power.)
 

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Toyota is going to look brilliant for resisting the plug-in electric craze.
They have set the bar as well with the multi decade proven efficacy of the Prius.
 

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They have set the bar as well with the multi decade proven efficacy of the Prius.
This is something that educated readers will understand, and that GenZ'ers and dood-bro's, will not.

To generate electric power, there MUST BE FUEL USE AND POLLUTION. Either in building those low-yield wind turbines, or in burning of various fuels in higher-efficiency generation stations or contrivances.

I wasn't down with hybrids, and still I'm not, but the Prius demonstrated that the concept can work well. And it takes the best, most-efficient use of an engine - at controlled optimal speeds, constant load, driving an alternator; and then applies the power to charging and traction motors.

Good job. That is something the Postal Service should have considered...imagine a boxy truck using a Prius drivetrain? Or better yet, reuse those aluminum bodies, on new chasses, with a Toyota Hybrid drivetrain. They could do it in their San Antonio plant.

Emissions are going to be better controlled, and easier, with a Prius-style drivetrain, because variables are more controlled. Steady engine speed. Load less varying. Altogether less fuel burned...meaning of course, less residue, less "pollution."

Toyota recognizes the impracticality of battery cars - and fortunately for everyone, is not afraid to say it. They may save their business this way. Ford, and the others, will NOT say it...swaying to the denial of reality that GenZ'ers so love.
 

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Toyota recognizes the impracticality of battery cars - and fortunately for everyone, is not afraid to say it. They may save their business this way. Ford, and the others, will NOT say it...swaying to the denial of reality that GenZ'ers so love.
Toyota as still investing big in the hydrogen vehicles. I read the other day that they are teamed up with a jap motorcycle company on the technology
 

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Another Mustang Mach-E Recall: This Time For Broken Half-Shafts​


by Thom Taylor
| More Articles: Hybrids & Electrics


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September 1, 2022






It’s becoming a disappointing cliché- another day, another Ford Mustang Mach-E recall. Whether brought to the market too quickly, or assembly line quality lapses are sneaking by, Ford is having recall problems with many of its new releases. The problem for the Mach-E this time causing a recall is broken half-shafts. And the sequence of events leading up to the National Highway Traffic Safety recall is curious.
Which begs the question: Why didn't they just repurpose the conventional Mustang solid, live rear end...replacing the hypoid input gears, with a motor mount and gearset, bolted in, tranversely?

They'd have gained a little weight. Not much; and they'd have a durable driveline. Handling would scarcely suffer - the advantage of IRS over a live axle in a passenger car, is only peripheral. In extreme performance situations, and otherwise, no.

I guess they were trying to attract Woketard battery autistics, who memorize stat sheets, and can't distinguish between factoids and real performance. Like, lasting in actual driving situations.
 

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Toyota as still investing big in the hydrogen vehicles. I read the other day that they are teamed up with a jap motorcycle company on the technology
hmmmm.....riding my pressure cylinder, on two wheels...

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that's a tough read. . .

that used to look like this:

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hmmmm.....riding my pressure cylinder, on two wheels...
It was kawasaki.

While Kawasaki stands out from rivals for investing in hydrogen technology, it has emphasised its commitment by joining forces with Toyota, the world’s largest car manufacturer.

The deal with Toyota offers many benefits to Kawasaki, not least the fact the Japanese firm is already at an advanced stage of innovation in this area stretching back some 30 years, thus speeding up development.

The company has even launched the Toyota Mirai - the world’s first dedicated commercially available hydrogen fuel cell car - of which more than 2,600 examples were sold globally.

The deal was agreed earlier this month when Toyota President Akio Toyoda drove a hydrogen Kawasaki ATV at Motegi using a motor otherwise developed for use in a motorcycle.
 

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Toyota is going to look brilliant for resisting the plug-in electric craze.
They look really brilliant for selling their stake in Tesla before it did 30x - They bought it for $50M and would be worth $28B today.

Manchin saved Toyota by crushing the union provision and including hybrids for IRA tax credits. Big factory in west virginia. It pays to be the swing vote.
 

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Half shaft breaks were what we saw with too tall gears and too much torque in our hot rods

It’s no surprise that electric cars are having this problem with electric having instant torque rather than a curve
 

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Half shaft breaks were what we saw with too tall gears and too much torque in our hot rods

It’s no surprise that electric cars are having this problem with electric having instant torque rather than a curve
The real surprise is that they didn't discover this in testing.

...they do still do actual testing of prototype designs, right?....