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Notice as more people are armed they are stopped much sooner? Except for TX cops......



Gunman kills 3 people in Indiana mall shooting, police say​

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A shooting at a mall in Greenwood, Indiana, on Sunday evening has left at least four people dead, including the suspected gunman — who police say was shot by an armed bystander.
The latest: Authorities said a 12-year-old girl was among two people wounded after the shooter opened fire with a long gun at the mall, south of Indianapolis. Her injuries were minor, Greenwood Mayor Mark Myers said in a statement.

  • Greenwood Police Chief Jim Ison said at a news conference on Sunday evening that the two injured people were being treated in local hospitals.
The big picture: Police received reports just after 6pm that a gunman had entered the food court and began shooting, according to Ison.
  • "It appears that he had a rifle with several magazines of ammunition," Ison said.
  • An armed bystander "observed the shooting in progress and shot the shooter," he added.
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Shooting at Greenwood Mall in Indiana. 4 dead including the Shooter. Good Samaritan, 22, shot the bad guy. A guy with a rifle and several rounds of ammo came into the food court just around closing time for the mall and started shooting. A 22 yr old guy saw him and shot him with his pistol.
 

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'Saving countless lives.' Armed bystander praised for intervening in Greenwood mall shooting​

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Greenwood leaders have used several titles to describe Elisjsha Dicken, the 22-year-old Indiana man who intervened in a mass shooting at the Greenwood Park Mall on Sunday night.
A hero. A good Samaritan, even.
Gun-rights advocates have yet another: A good guy with a gun.
Elisjsha Dicken, 22, is being hailed as a hero for intervening in a mass shooting at Greenwood Park Mall on Sunday night.


"I'm grateful a good guy with a gun was there to prevent further casualties and am praying for the families who lost loved ones in this senseless tragedy," said U.S. Rep. Jim Banks, a Republican who represents Fort Wayne and the northeast parts of the state, in a tweet Sunday night.
As happens with just about every mass shooting these days — of which there are plenty, including what appeared to be two in the Indianapolis area on Sunday — Americans were quick to respond to the news, depending on their views about guns.
Even when details about the mass shooting at Greenwood Park Mall were sparse, the moment served as a rallying cry for politicians and advocates who argue that law-abiding citizens with guns are an antidote to America’s spate of mass shootings.
They have long pointed to incidents where armed bystanders stepped in to stop active shooters, such as when volunteer security guards ended mass shootings at churches in Colorado in 2007 and Texas in 2019, or when a psychiatrist successfully defended himself and others in a Philadelphia hospital in 2014 by shooting and demobilizing the gunman.
Greenwood Park Mall shootingWhat we know
Sunday’s cry, though, came just hours after the news emerged that a Texas House committee noted that police officers failed to intervene to stop the massacre of children and teachers at Robb Elementary in Uvalde in May. All told, 376 police officers were present at the scene, the report found — or, as they were quickly criticized on social media — nearly 400 good guys with guns who failed to stop one bad guy.
But in Indiana? The armed bystander’s actions provided a sharp contrast.
He was a good guy with a gun. And, while three people were fatally shot and two others were injured, Dicken stopped the bad guy before he hurt more people.
Those views were galvanized on Monday as authorities began releasing more details about Dicken’s actions, which the Greenwood police chief described as both "proficient" and "tactically sound."

Armed bystander’s actions were 'nothing short of heroic'​

Praising him as a hero, Greenwood Police Chief Jim Ison released Dicken’s name during a press conference on Monday afternoon. The chief also released more information about the victims and the alleged perpetrator, including a timeline.
At 5:56 p.m. Sunday, Ison said, the perpetrator exited a mall bathroom and, using a rifle, began firing at people in the food court.
Dicken, a 22-year-old man from Seymour, had been shopping at the mall with his girlfriend, Ison said.
Within two minutes of the gunman opening fire, Dicken drew his handgun and began firing at the perpetrator. The perpetrator attempted to retreat back to the bathroom, but collapsed to the ground.
The threat was over.
Emergency personnel gather after a shooting Sunday, July 17, 2022 at Greenwood Park Mall.


All told, the gunman fired 24 rounds, Ison said. Dicken fired 10.
IndyStar attempted to reach Dicken through a phone number associated with the man but did not hear back on Monday afternoon. Ison said Dicken was still processing what had occurred.
Ison said the mall’s surveillance video captured almost all of the exchange. During Monday’s press conference, he described some of what the video showed.
"I will say his actions were nothing short of heroic," Ison said. "He engaged the gunman from quite a distance with a handgun, was very proficient in that, very tactically sound, and as he moved to close in on the suspect he was also motioning for people to exit behind him."
Ison said Dicken is cooperating with the police investigation, and he noted that Dicken was lawfully carrying his handgun. Starting this month, Indiana no longer required a license to carry a handgun in public.

Indiana’s laws protect armed bystander

Among state gun laws, Indiana's contains some of the strongest language to enable people like Dicken to intervene in situations like the one in Greenwood.
Guy Relford, an Indiana attorney and firearms instructor who is a prominent voice on the state's gun laws, said Dicken’s actions appeared to be legal and justified under Indiana’s code. IndyStar interviewed Relford on Monday morning, later in the day the attorney announced he is now representing Dicken.
Indiana does not require someone to flee from the scene, for example, so long as the person meets a specific requirement defined in state law. The language, commonly called the Stand Your Ground provision, says a person does "not have a duty to retreat" if the person "reasonably believes that that force is necessary to prevent serious bodily injury to the person or a third person."
More:An armed bystander shot & killed the Greenwood mall shooting suspect. Did he break the law?
Put another way: It's not that Dicken needed to be a victim before firing his weapon. He was empowered to intervene on behalf of the people who were targeted by the shooter.
On top of that, Dicken would also be justified to use force to stop what’s called a “forcible felony." It's defined broadly as “a felony that involves the use or threat of force against a human being, or in which there is imminent danger of bodily injury to a human being."
"He checks all those boxes as perfectly as he possibly could," Relford told IndyStar.
And even though Greenwood Park Mall's policy bars customers from carrying weapons, Relford emphasized that it would not automatically be a crime if someone violates such a policy.
Greenwood Park Mall's no-weapons policy is akin to a "no shoes, no shirt, no service" sign you might see at a gas station. If a customer does not adhere to the policy, Relford said, a business owner can demand that the customer leaves. And if the customer ignores that demand, the customer is now trespassing, which is an Indiana crime.
"So the fact that (Greenwood Park Mall) had a no-gun policy creates no legal issue whatsoever for this gentleman," Relford said, "and it certainly has no effect whatsoever on his ability to use force to defend himself or to defend the other people in the mall."

Sunday's example is a rare circumstance​

Even people who have argued for stronger gun restrictions acknowledged how Dicken likely prevented more deaths.
But they emphasized that while the good guy with a gun got the bad guy Sunday, it's a rare circumstance.
“I’m glad this guy was stopped," said Jody Madeira, an Indiana University law professor, "but these types of incidents make it very difficult for people who do this kind of work and research because you assume it’s way more common than it is."
Guns are much more likely to be used in crimes, to fall into the wrong hands, or to be accidentally discharged, Madeira said, than to be used to stop an active shooter.
As a recent example, Madeira pointed out there were two accidental firearm discharges within a few days of each other at the same mall where Sunday's mass shooting occurred. People were injured both times, according to media reports.
In another case several years ago, a child found a loaded handgun wedged into a sofa in IKEA in Fishers and fired it inside the furniture store. The owner of the gun sat down on a sofa and dropped the weapon without realizing it, police said.
"This worked out right yesterday in terms of what the good guy with a gun did," said Paul Helmke, a past president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence and former Republican mayor of Fort Wayne. "What didn’t work out right yesterday is that a bad guy with a gun killed three people first. That’s always the catch."
There’s also a problem with the good vs. bad narrative, he said.
"The world really isn't divided into 'good guys' and 'bad guys.' We all have the potential to make mistakes, to get drunk, to get angry, to have road rage, and all those sorts of things," Helmke said.
And more guns in more places leads to more gun violence, he said.
"Even good guys with guns oftentimes make mistakes," Helmke said. "They leave the gun someplace, the gun is taken from them, the gun is stolen, they miss and hit a bystander, they become the first victim. That happens a lot more often than what happened yesterday."

‘Greenwood’s good Samaritan’​

No matter where the political debate on guns heads next, Dicken is being hailed as a hero. Three people were fatally shot by the perpetrator, and two more people were injured, but it could have been worse.
Greenwood Mayor Mark Myers, who spoke at Monday’s press conference, praised Dicken for jumping to the rescue within minutes of the initial shooting.
He saved “countless lives,” Myers said.
"We're very thankful for a young 22-year-old man, who stopped this violent act. This young man, Greenwood's good Samaritan, acted within seconds, stopping the shooter and saving countless lives," Myers said. "Our city, our community and our state is grateful for his heroism in this situation."
 

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THey should punish the guy for being alive. What sick fucks come up with this shit. BURN IT DOWN!


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So the logical question is as more and more people carry it will give fewer adn fewer places to have mass shootings.
Do shooters stop because they don't want to die?
Do shootings continue and more and more people start carrying leading them to death by bystander?
 

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I hope he has an easier time than Kyle.

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Not to worry...the dogbots will protect us.

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Viral video of a robot dog shooting a gun is actually from Russia

The viral video (https://twitter.com/sonicmega/status/1549651495997476864?s=20&t=W1ucB1RnNdtduR2LixYZqA) of a robot dog firing an assault rifle was filmed (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VygwTBgph4) back in March by a Russian hoverbike company (https://www.hoversurf.com/) founder Alexander Atamanov.
The tech itself is nothing more than a gun strapped to an existing Unitree dogbot (https://www.unitree.com/products/go1/) and is unlikely to be a real combat robot.

Nonetheless, Black Mirror-esque robodogs firing a fully automatic weapon already exist. Last April, the French army began testing (https://twitter.com/SaintCyrCoet/status/1379457690020294665?s=20&t=VCaiQepUyIehacOZBP6YXQ) Boston Dynamics' robot dog Spot in combat scenarios. Last September, it was revealed (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/18/world/middleeast/iran-nuclear-fakhrizadeh-assassination-israel.html) that Iran's top nuclear scientist was assassinated by a killer robot that was remote controlled by a sniper over 1,000 miles away. Finally, last October, US firm Ghost Robotics introduced (https://sworddefense.com/spur/) a weaponised special-ops robotic canine, calling it the "latest lethality sniper payload."

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"He shot my arm off!", says the perp to his buddies as he runs away. Lol



I couldn't decide whether to post it here, or in the good news thread. Decided on here.
 

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"He shot my arm off!", says the perp to his buddies as he runs away. Lol



I couldn't decide whether to post it here, or in the good news thread. Decided on here.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

People have the right to protect themselves. I'm sure the store worker/owner was in fear for his life, I'm sure that IF I was ever in a situation where a guy coming in with a long gun I would be in fear for my life, you don't know who it is, and what there intention is other than them pointing a rifle at me, and if they are pointing it at me, I would have to believe that they intend to use it to hurt or kill me.
 

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if he caught a round, if he's leaking, chances are he's gonna end up in a hospital, if not, he's gonna brag and some street urchin is gonna collect on any reward that's offered, wounds don't heal themselves, there will be a lot of people who'll know who it was and they're all out for the profit in one way or another


status quo

he should have caught one in the pumpkin, saved us all some money

Good Shoot, Good Shooting!

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if he caught a round, if he's leaking, chances are he's gonna end up in a hospital, if not, he's gonna brag and some street urchin is gonna collect on any reward that's offered, wounds don't heal themselves, there will be a lot of people who'll know who it was and they're all out for the profit in one way or another
They were all caught. The guy who got shot went to the hospital and then arrested.
 

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:2 thumbs up:

but that doesn't fare too well for the street urchin who could have collected that reeeward moneeee
 

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I just caught this on notthebee. https://notthebee.com/article/heres-what-happens-when-you-teach-your-daughters-how-to-shoot

There is a vid on twittler that you have to sign in to view but the website posted this utube clip. Guess it's a few years old.

That girl is going to make an amazing mother if she chooses to be one, and there are NOT a lot of "men' worthy of her.

Teaching her the skills to be able to handle a firearm properly and efficiently, in addition to being able to protect herself is PRICELESS!

What a blessing that her parents have given her the ability to be able to do this.
 

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A gunman in Montenegro killed 10, including 2 children​


August 13, 20221:38 AM ET
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Police investigators work at the site of the attack in Cetinje, Montenegro, on Friday.
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CETINJE, Montenegro — A man went on a shooting rampage in the streets of this western Montenegro city Friday, killing 10 people, including two children, before being shot dead by a passerby, officials said.
Montenegrin police chief Zoran Brdjanin said in a video statement shared with media that attacker was a 34-year-old man he identified only by his initials, V.B.
Brdjanin said the man used a hunting rifle to first shoot to death two children ages 8 and 11 and their mother, who lived as tenants in the attacker's house in Cetinje's Medovina neighborhood.
The shooter then walked into the street and randomly shot 13 more people, seven of them fatally, the chief said.
"At the moment, it is unclear what provoked V.B. to commit this atrocious act," Brdjanin said.
Andrijana Nastic, the prosecutor coordinating the crime scene investigation, told journalists that the gunman was killed by a passerby and that a police officer was among the wounded. She said nine of those killed died at the scene and two died at a hospital where they were taken for surgery.

Cetinje, the seat of Montenegro's former royal government, is 36 kilometers (22 miles) west of Podogrica, the current capital of the small Balkan nation.
Prime Minister Dritan Abazovic wrote on his Telegram channel that the incident was "an unprecedented tragedy" and urged the nation "to be, in their thoughts, with the families of the innocent victims, their relatives, friends and all the people of Cetinje."
President Milo Djukanovic said on Twitter that he was "deeply moved by the news of the terrible tragedy" in Cetinje, calling for "solidarity" with the families who lost loved-ones in the incident.