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Anger and despair. I feel your pain. Maybe the bottom is near?
No anger or despair here my friend. I'm much more grounded than I used to be re: PM spot prices. They do up, they go down and I just keep buying the dips. The game won't last for ever and when it ends there only one way for them spot prices to go.
 
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anyway Ebay bucks came out at 10% today
It now covers my sales tax and i end up with 1.5% effective discount...ebay's going to have to do better than that anymore



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To all ebay sellers affected by this Sales Tax thing...give it some time, buyers will soon forget about this added 'fee' and "normal" will return again



We get ripped off, then resign ourselves to the 'new normal' because life has to go on
 

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It now covers my sales tax and i end up with 1.5% effective discount...ebay's going to have to do better than that anymore



Note;
To all ebay sellers affected by this Sales Tax thing...give it some time, buyers will soon forget about this added 'fee' and "normal" will return again



We get ripped off, then resign ourselves to the 'new normal' because life has to go on
omg don't be too loud on that because this is one thing Illinois hasn't subjected to sales tax... "yet."
 

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if any state could benefit..

shhhhhhh,,,,
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The random year MS63 $10 Indians graded by PCGS have a couple thousand or less for each year. Still deciding if the $60 extra is worth it. You get the certification, which is not cheap and have a collectors market more interested in it. My Sigma tester can verify gold content right through the plastic as well. Percentage wise, it's not a bad idea. I do like the collector angle as I do like a quality coin myself. Opinions?
 

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The random year MS63 $10 Indians graded by PCGS have a couple thousand or less for each year. Still deciding if the $60 extra is worth it. You get the certification, which is not cheap and have a collectors market more interested in it. My Sigma tester can verify gold content right through the plastic as well. Percentage wise, it's not a bad idea. I do like the collector angle as I do like a quality coin myself. Opinions?
I pretty much agree with your assessment. The market is smart and generally prices in premiums based on what the coin offers the collector community above and beyond pure bullion content. I think a gold Indian eagle authenticated and graded as a choice BU example probably adds some liquidity when it is time to sell. $60 is less than a 10% premium. I think it all comes down to how you, as the current owner, feels about the graded coin. If you like it, then it is probably worth the small premium as you will likely get it back on resale. If you have nothing but disdain for the plastic, well then move on and find an example for as close to spot as you can.
 

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The random year MS63 $10 Indians graded by PCGS have a couple thousand or less for each year. Still deciding if the $60 extra is worth it. You get the certification, which is not cheap and have a collectors market more interested in it. My Sigma tester can verify gold content right through the plastic as well. Percentage wise, it's not a bad idea. I do like the collector angle as I do like a quality coin myself. Opinions?
Good points and understand them. Now for myself I look at things from the SHTF view meaning there are no plans to market the coins in the future. To me that is what stock in gold and or silver mining companies are for. So, from my perspective I prefer to wait for a sale where I can grab a highly recognizable product that could easily be used for barter in the future. It is just a matter of the final goal of why one purchases to begin with.

I should add with the holidays rolling in I generally purchase each of my children a roll of those PCGS or NGC sealed silver American Eagle rolls of the current year. As you pointed out they are much more liquid and have an easily recognizable value. My hope s that they will never have to sell them but, when one is young and faces lifes paths, a lot of pitfalls along the way might amount to a personal shtf situation and if so may be easily converted to cash.
 

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I ended up buying a few old gold Liberty eagles, MS62 NGC for $20 over the value of the gold (about $40 over spot). Graded and MS62 in quality, random date. I think it costs more than $20 to get these coins graded by average Dude. I do not know how Liberty Coin gets all these coins...
 

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Good points and understand them. Now for myself I look at things from the SHTF view meaning there are no plans to market the coins in the future. To me that is what stock in gold and or silver mining companies are for. So, from my perspective I prefer to wait for a sale where I can grab a highly recognizable product that could easily be used for barter in the future. It is just a matter of the final goal of why one purchases to begin with.

I should add with the holidays rolling in I generally purchase each of my children a roll of those PCGS or NGC sealed silver American Eagle rolls of the current year. As you pointed out they are much more liquid and have an easily recognizable value. My hope s that they will never have to sell them but, when one is young and faces lifes paths, a lot of pitfalls along the way might amount to a personal shtf situation and if so may be easily converted to cash.
I didn't get my rolls the past Christmases, Dad.

I have a stash of coins I've pirated. The coins that were either free are from kick back trays at coinstar's and the ones I've purchased, I paid $.50 a piece that are worth mostly 5 times their face value but sometimes 10 times. I have no disposable cash to purchase metals and only do if I can get them cheap. The bounty is in a Hull if a sunken boat. They will go to my grand kids but I'm not sure at what age they will get them. If they want money, I make them earn it. Over pay them but we negotiate the rate before hand.
When silber was in the $22 range, my grandson was holding a ten ouncer happily exclaiming he had $220.00 in his hand.
 

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I ended up buying a few old gold Liberty eagles, MS62 NGC for $20 over the value of the gold (about $40 over spot). Graded and MS62 in quality, random date. I think it costs more than $20 to get these coins graded by average Dude. I do not know how Liberty Coin gets all these coins...
The wholesale market is flush with these right now. Lots of these coins came out of the woodwork with the recent run up on the price of gold. At that price they represent great value.
 

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Do you all think gold will go down more?...like $1200-$1300 range?..

I don’t mind dollar cost averaging but I’d like to avoid the $100 and $200 dollar drops.
 

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Short answer:
$1,440 ish is the gold spot bottom. With the big central banks buying gold now like Germany they need a low price.
They use $trillions $ (that is awful LOT of paper gold fiat) of dollars in paper gold "holding short" derivatives leverage to accomplish the raids.
Been going on since the 1990s.

see:
https://harveyorganblog.com/author/harveyorgan/
 

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Short answer:
$1,440 ish is the gold spot bottom. With the big central banks buying gold now like Germany they need a low price.
They use $trillions $ (that is awful LOT of paper gold fiat) of dollars in paper gold "holding short" derivatives leverage to accomplish the raids.
Been going on since the 1990s.

see:
https://harveyorganblog.com/author/harveyorgan/
FYI - Serbia as joined the Gold Buying Market, 9 tons.
 

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IT is cheap right now in U.S. fiat = GOLD.

Silver is really CHEAP now in all fiat.

Platinum is a steal right now in all fiat.

Of course you have to be in the market for them, right?
 

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IT is cheap right now in U.S. fiat = GOLD.

Silver is really CHEAP now in all fiat.

Platinum is a steal right now in all fiat.

Of course you have to be in the market for them, right?
I'm struggling to understand why I need to invest in Platinum when it's an industrial metal, not a metal that has been traditionally used as currency throughout history
 

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It might be the ONLY one free to trade for a while...
BTW...
that's another reason why slabs can be nice...

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It might be the ONLY one free to trade for a while... BTW... that's another reason
why slabs are nice...
I don't get it. Can you be more specific? I have dry powder but I'm a traditionalist and need a good reason for investing in long term, unproven value
 

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shoot,

no matter what happens, the white metals shouldn't be in the same arena as gold and silver

but, the whites have their own issues, supply not controlled by .us thieves, manufacturers ebb and flow from one to the next as prices fluctuate, lack of liquidity, etc.

there is dough to be made there, as sure as time moves on, you just have to have enough time to wait it out, waiting for the buy low, and waiting for the sell high
 

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I don't get it. Can you be more specific? I have dry powder but I'm a traditionalist and need a good reason for investing in long term, unproven value
I have one Platinum Eagle in a slab that I bought in the beginning of the year. Premiums are high but other than that it's a buy low sell high game. If I had dry powder right now I'd grab some silver. Provident/JM Bullion is running Black Friday Deals all week.
 

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If I was BUYING - I would be buying ASE in the tubes (if I had the money) , in the Monster Boxes (if I had more money) , in multiples Monster Boxes (if I had a LOT of MONEY!).

I would also buy pre-1964 silver quarters & dimes - or $1,000 bags of junk U.S. pre-1964 silver coins.

I would buy gold if I did not feel I had enough - NOW too. (If I had a lot of Money!)

I love old Scorpio (Hell I am one of those - 11-13- Dinosaur) and he is right. But I still love Platinum cause it is so cheap.


READ!

https://www.zerohedge.com/commoditi...rkets-dangerous-game-chicken-economic-reality
 
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Wouldn't it be a lot easier to deal with paper gold than individual pm holdings? I ask this out of only wondering the difficulty of hauling bags to a vendor somewhere. Just asking...

By the way I got 10% ap bucks and 8% bucks at Ebay today.
 

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Wouldn't it be a lot easier to deal with paper gold than individual pm holdings?
Not after all the physical gold has dried up and you are still stuck with paper(s).
" If you don't hold it ( physical) you don't own it.". - Our Late Great PONCE's motto.
 

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Not after all the physical gold has dried up and you are still stuck with paper(s).
" If you don't hold it ( physical) you don't own it.". - Our Late Great PONCE's motto.
I fully agree and never trade mine but, it would seem to me ti be a lot easier and simpler to trade paper gold. I guess i see a distinction between trading and holding for the day tshtf because that will be the day in my estimation when gold will be dried up and priceless...just sayin is all.
 

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Shootist America is in BIG DISTRESS! Love your ICON!
 

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Black Friday week deals continue to roll in.

Random VG+ 20 Franc Au coins at spot + $2.99 per coin: https://www.providentmetals.com/20-francs-gold-coin-random-year-random-country-vg-plus.html
1/10th oz Au Battle of the Pacific coin AT SPOT - LIMIT 1: https://www.providentmetals.com/bfs-australian-battle-of-the-coral-sea-1-10-oz-gold-coin.html

Monument Metals has a variety of second hand generic Ag on sale, as well as vintage Engelhard and Johnson Matthey items at pretty low premiums: https://monumentmetals.com/deals.html

In post # 4785, chief informed us of 2 great deals from SD Bullion yesterday (1. Halves AT SPOT; 2. 1/4 oz random, second hand Au coins at spot + $4.99 per coin); those are still up: https://sdbullion.com/deals

Good luck out there folks.
 

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4 hours flash sale at apmex - 9Mint silver $0.49 over spot https://www.apmex.com/category/91294/9fine-mint-silver-flash-sale
20 French Francs Napoleon II gold coins at melt (2 maximum) with code BFNAP3 https://monumentmetals.com/france-gold-20-francs-napoleon-iii.html
5 oz Proclaim Liberty silver bar at spot price https://sdbullion.com/5-oz-silver-bar-at-spot
Australian Battle of the Coral Sea 1/2 oz Silver Coin At Spot https://www.providentmetals.com/bfs-australian-battle-of-the-coral-sea-1-2-oz-silver-coin.html

Coupon Codes at Monarch Precious Metals https://www.monarchpreciousmetals.com/ :
$3.00 off any purchase - Code: THANKS
$7.00 off $450 or more - Code: FAMILY
$17.00 off $1050 or more - CODE: FRIENDS

The source where I've found all these deals: https://findcoinonline.com/deals
 

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Some fresh addings:
1 oz silver Buffalo rounds at spot (limit of 5)at Golden Eagle Coins https://www.goldeneaglecoin.com/item/silver-bullion-1-oz-buffalo-round-999-fine
BGASC: https://www.bgasc.com/category/on-sale?r=e2019bfw-fri
1 oz 2016 Silver Maples $0.89 over spot (limit 100 coins)
90% Silver Roosevelt Dime Roll AT SPOT (limit 5 rolls)
Free 1/10 oz silver Buffalo round to each order
Deals expire December 1

Junk Silver Bags at spot at Monument Metals https://monumentmetals.com/deals.html
1 kilo Proclaim LIberty silver bar $0.49 over spot at SD Bullion https://sdbullion.com/1-killo-proclaim-liberty-silver-bar-sd-bullion
American Silver Eagle coin tube $2.25 over spot https://sdbullion.com/american-silver-eagles-roll-of-20

2019 South Korea 1 oz Silver ZI:SIN Scrofa BU $2.99 over spot at APMEX https://www.apmex.com/product/185671/2019-south-korea-1-oz-silver-zisin-scrofa-bu
 

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Start shopping everything is not only ON SALE (see Maria's listings above) but it is
TREMENDOUSLY UNDERVALUED.

Things are set to go up next month via the COMEX and other things...
 

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New silver at spot deals from Golden Eagle Coins
5 oz silver bars at spot (limit 1)
1/10 oz silver Buffalo rounds (limit 10)
https://www.goldeneaglecoin.com/on-sale-now
Everything with the BIG THREE is dirt cheap in regards to the money supply
(hidden off books - same as shown 23 $ trillion);
Silver Platinum Gold (Palladium is expensive compared to platinum)
 
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