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Help FEMA catch lawbreakers burying survival items

Nickelless

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Due to the likelihood that FEMA or other government agents will enforce restrictions that violate citizens' rights to own guns, ammunition, food reserves, and precious metals in the event of a severe depression or other calamity, some outlaws might consider burying at least some of their cache of survival items in well-sealed, unbreakable plastic containers.

Large PVC pipe sections with glued-on end caps might be used for smaller items like guns, ammunition, and precious metals. Guns could be wrapped in oil-drenched rags and inside plastic bags. When gluing, these scofflaws would know to swab surfaces with PVC primer first then make sure to quickly and thoroughly slop lots of PVC glue on the parts to be joined, speedily join them, rotating a partial turn, and hold them tightly in place for at least five seconds, ensuring a watertight capsule. Some might use a clean-out plug for easier opening, well sealed on both threaded surfaces with sticky wax from a wax toilet ring after the cache capsule is loaded for burial.

Where might they bury these capsules? Scofflaws realize that anything metal (gold, silver, guns & ammo) buried in their yard or hidden in their wall or attic can be easily located with a good metal detector and they could be prosecuted for noncompliance or conspiracy to withhold contraband if detected. Therefore they are apt to select an off-site location that is free from prying eyes as they bury, a site also unlikely to be bulldozed in the near future. First they would select a spot that aligns with permanent features so they could relocate it. They would use a small tarp to protect the surface from soil spillage and load one or more plastic buckets with their excavated earth. Before digging, they would carefully set aside any surface debris so they could replace it afterward to disguise their digging location. A smart illegal hoarder would tamp the earth well as they covered the cache capsule so it will not settle, leaving a telltale depression.

Since anti-hoarding statutes may entail house-to-house searches for food reserves, expect illegal hoarders to hide at least part of their food reserves underground. This presents a more complex challenge than burying smaller items. One likely if surprising ruse is to hide food reserves in a septic tank. Let me explain.

The hoarder realizes he needs a strong, waterproof, good-sized chamber for storing sealed plastic buckets full of storage foods underground. I have recently researched polyethylene septic tanks and suspect they are already in use for this purpose. They are light enough to be transported by pickup and carried or dragged by two people. They come equipped with manhole covers that could be sealed using the toilet ring wax method after they are stocked with provisions, plus they are non-metallic so a metal detector cannot be used to find them. These tanks are available for about a dollar per gallon capacity. You can judge for yourself by googling "plastic septic tanks" or follow some of these links to investigate:
http://www.plastic-mart.com/index.htm
http://www.ntotank.com/?gclid=CO_r5_6l_pICFSAtHgodOz20yA
http://www.tank-depot.com/
http://www.fralo.net/
http://www.loomistank.com/
http://www.watertanks.com/undergroundtanks/

Many suppliers also sell underground cistern tanks that might also be used in this fashion, not to mention as rainwater storage tanks for which they are intended.

Those who conspire to hoard foodstuffs are sure to select long-term storage foods, adequately protected against moisture and insects. LDS church members have lots of information on storage techniques, which outlaws should be able to locate online.

Here again, care is probably taken to conceal signs of recent excavation, so lots of tarps are no doubt laid down, topsoil set aside for later replacement, and grooming/planting/littering to resemble the surrounding terrain as the final touch. The manhole cover would be buried at least as deep as the top of the tank is wide to avoid any hollow sounds. A sheet of plastic covering the manhole would protect against earth intrusions when the chamber is opened. Let's say illegal hoarders planned to bury a 1,000-gallon tank. They would need to remove at least 300 five-gallon buckets-full of earth. That's a lot of digging over several days so they would pick a location hidden from view and unlikely to attract visitors. They could be slowed down or even thwarted by big boulders, bedrock, or tangled tree roots, plus they would have to find a home for their excess dirt away from their cache site. They would be sure to have a couple pairs of tough, comfortable gloves and a good, stout long-handled shovel before they begin. It would be a bit of a workout.

Now that you know the details of how criminal hoarders are apt to try to thwart federal authorities you will be better able to spot suspicious activity and turn them in to the proper authorities. Go get 'em!
 

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Is the tone supposed to be humorous?
 

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Is the tone supposed to be humorous?
In case you didn't catch the irony...the post is all about what not to do if you want to obey FEMA jackboots. Good GIMers will listen to what FEMA wants them to do and then go 180 degrees in the opposite direction. ;)
 

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Maybe FEMA better stay out of the way and let the fittest survive, it's time to hit the reset button and get the free loaders off the train anyway. with the millions of private homes in America, it would be impossible for them to hit them all and after they went thru just one town, they would need Federal troops before they got to the next one, if things got so bad(and they will) that raids were being made to take food from private homes, it will probably be by dishonest officials trying to use their badges or credentials to steal or civilian gangs.
 

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fwiw plastic septic tanks are very prone to floating out of the underground ......must be strapped down....
 

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Author schooled in the old ways.Unaware of .gov's technology- GPR and other tech currently used by law enforcement which can be employed by aircraft to detect shallow buried hoards. Metallic or non-metallic, it still shows up due to the disturbance in the soil. Buried supplies should be near newly disturbed soil sites,recent construction, foundation, plowed fields, etc.....talk to your local DEA aviation units for an eye opener.
 

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If you've got it very well sealed, why not place your caches in your existing septic tank(s)? That way, no new soil disturbance will show, and how many people will go through your crap to steal your crap?
 

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What about burying food caches deeper below a secondary garden that in practice you're just using as a decoy to make it look like you're trying to plant something in that spot? Bury food caches under flower gardens or at the base of decorative bushes, etc.
 

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Septic tanks are supposed to be mostly filled with water before burial so they don't collapse under the weight of the soil, or so I read on the lid of mine...
 

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Water tight containers in a water filled septic. Install a parallel one for graywater to use for watering the lawn, or whatever.
 

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http://www.dailypaul.com/node/47266

Many suppliers also sell underground cistern tanks that might also be used in this fashion, not to mention as rainwater storage tanks for which they are intended.
I think a cistern is a rather good idea. Installation is legal if you own the property and rather or not you actually use it for its intended purpose is up to you. and like in post #4 by goldie40,
with the millions of private homes in America, it would be impossible for them to hit them all and after they went thru just one town
After a cistern has been used for a while, stuff starts collecting on the bottom. You can help the process by adding some leaves from the local trees. Of course, this would not be the place to try to hide things that might float to the top like buckets of food, but PMs or other heavy objects could be concealed under the layer of junk that collects in the tank. Just saying, I wouldn't think of hiding any of my stuff...
 

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Next to your existing foundation... under the porch!
Fly overhead and see that Boooyyyeeeeze.

Skid, there are tanks listed that do not require water, before back filling. More money, of course.
Temporary cross bracing may work as well. Later to be utilized as shelving frame.
 
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It's important to note that most metal detectors designed for finding coins, treasure, nuggets, rarely penetrate about 24" inches of soil. Silver seems to have the best signal by the way, since it's conductivity seems to induce the greatest magnetic flux in your average metal detecting coil. Of course the bigger the object, the further the coil will penetrate. But if you bury something like a Makarov about 4' under the earth, your typical White's or Minelab won't even know it's there.

Now there IS a metal detector designed to detect "Caches" more than 16'~24' in the ground. But they can be awfully accurate too. They just know a lump of metal bigger than a bowling ball is somewhere within 4'~6' beneath where you stand.

If you see someone wielding one of these in your backyard, he's looking for your buried stuff:



It tends to ignore tons of buried nails, pop tops, bottle caps too, since they won't provide enough feedback for their serachcoils.
 

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The more sensitive the detector, the more it is subject to interference. So, if buried near an underground power line, or even better, an overhead main line, it could escape detection. NOTE: I am not advocating messing with live electrical lines, just sayin'.
 

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I wonder if they would consider all that rabbit manure that i just plowed under a survival item?it's only down about 8 inches and they're welcome to ck it out.