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History shattered: 175k year-old ring of stones found in sealed cave built by Neanderthals

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History shattered: 175k year-old ring of stones found in sealed cave built by Neanderthals

Alternative World News NetworkMay 30, 2016, 8:58:09 AM

Estimated to be built between 175,000 and 177,000 years ago, the ring of stalagmites found in a French cave tells a story of an ancient people on the verge of great thinking.

Originally discovered in the early 1990's, the cave is known as Bruniquel Cave and the structures within show the building capacity of the Neanderthal came at a much earlier time than previously thought.



A 3D map of the rings and heaps of stalagmite fragments arranged by Neanderthals deep within a cave in southwestern France. The larger ring is about 6.7 meters long and 4.5 meters wide.

Image: Xavier Muth/Get in Situ

It is deduction that has lead scientists to conclude the ring was built by Neanderthals. Humans did not enter the area until about 100,000 years ago. It is the first specifically dated evidence of Neanderthal construction. It is also the first evidence that they explored deep caves.

The stalagmites were broken and strewn in a circle, though the intention is still not know. It is now believed that Neanderthals built similar structures on the surface, though they would have been lost to the elements.

More: https://www.minds.com/blog/view/584032879273582592
 

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175 to 177 thousand years ago?

They really have this 'neanderthals strewing stalagmites around' thing down to a fine science.

Proof of Russian Neanderthals hacking Hildebeasts server...
 

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... and nobody put them in jail for "desecration of natural wonders"? ;-)
 

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Since Neanderthals were a genetic failure, what does this say about democrats? About time they go the way of the dodo.
 

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The study of Neanderthals is fascinating. It is claimed by examining bones, they had higher voices than ours. Their last stand was in caves on the coasts of Portugal and Gibraltar. They mated with homo sapiens up to 25,000 years ago and their DNA was absorbed into our species if you are blessed to be white.
 

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The study of Neanderthals is fascinating. It is claimed by examining bones, they had higher voices than ours. Their last stand was in caves on the coasts of Portugal and Gibraltar. They mated with homo sapiens up to 25,000 years ago and their DNA was absorbed into our species if you are blessed to be white.
Neanderthal skulls look less similar to Whites than Blacks and Asians.
Neanderthals had more prominent cheekbones and brow lines, broader bite, sloped foreheads and larger eye sockets.

http://www.bing.com/search?q=neande...-24&sk=&cvid=F343395B9D3C422B944A6BD51C89E6C5
 

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Here I thought we'd established that Neanderthals were the Eurotrash of their age. Now this Asian/Afro thing...jeebus, can we settle on one dang thing at least. lol

Dunno whether this science geek is any smarter than I am, but it's consistent with what I've heard elsewhere:
Everyone living outside of Africa today has a small amount of Neanderthal in them, carried as a living relic of these ancient encounters. A team of scientists comparing the full genomes of the two species concluded that most Europeans and Asians have between 1 to 2 percent Neanderthal DNA. Indigenous sub-Saharan Africans have none, or very little Neanderthal DNA because their ancestors did not migrate through Eurasia.
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/neanderthal/

...and then there are the Denosovans, which I always pictured as having more of a connection to modern Asiatic peeps than Eurotrash, which seems consistent with this...
Surprisingly, the scientists found genetic overlap between the Denisovan genome and that of some present-day east Asians, and, in particular, a group of Pacific Islanders living in Papua New Guinea, known as the Melanesians. It appears the Denisovans contributed between 3 to 5 percent of their genetic material to the genomes of Melanesians.
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/denisovan/
 
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I thought everyone outside of pure blackfricans had some Neanderthal DNA... This suggests that Blackfricans were the first humans on the planet and that whitey and everyone else is trespassing.

It also means Jesus is black and that many whites worship him as their savior.
 
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It turns out that the DNA of modern blacks has split more times than YT or Asians denoting the blacks' longer ancestry. There could have been an earlier lineage that died out, but yet undiscovered.

If you want to only use structural traits instead of genetics one could speculate by looking at blacks that we definitely descended from apes, but science proves that we had a common ancestor and diverged millions of years ago from other primates. What's also interesting is that physical changes such as walking upright, ankle structure and a prehensile thumb evolved like a mosaic instead of Obama's dream in a blending of mud people.
 
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I thought everyone outside of pure blackfricans had some Neanderthal DNA... This suggests that Blackfricans were the first humans on the planet and that whitey and everyone else is trespassing.

It also means Jesus is black and that many whites worship him as their savior.
NAW, U hoser...DNA is pointing the finger at them pesky Aryans....sorry the social break dead dancers fucked up. we did not prance out of the Africa. U, nor I,....but can say this....our fore-skind-fathers and momaw's were sure doing the funky shit way back then.... sure throws a screw ball into them jew mother fuckers it do.

sorry kitty cat they B say'n now that the DNA don't lie......kind of like get out of prison thing ya know.
 

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Nothing can be possibly known except the fact that I exist. Everything else is speculation (wonderment at it's best, weltsmertz at it's worst), belief, or dream.

How much of history can you verify. Outside of personal, none. Speculation, however, is rampant, and news floats the speculations. In order to attempt to influence you to their desires, primarily economic.

But understand that nothing can be verified and anyone who tells you that they know true history, is a moron aiming to try and economically mislead to fleece you...
 

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How can genetic similarity be verified? Aren't structural traits genetic?
They can verify genetic similarity by comparing strands of DNA, I suppose. They have intact DNA from Neanderthal bones.
 

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They can verify genetic similarity by comparing strands of DNA, I suppose. They have intact DNA from Neanderthal bones.
My point exactly. They can tell us "DNA proves that...." and there is no way to verify it.
Yet we know structural traits are inherited and they tell us the opposite.
 

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I thought everyone outside of pure blackfricans had some Neanderthal DNA... This suggests that Blackfricans were the first humans on the planet and that whitey and everyone else is trespassing.

It also means Jesus is black and that many whites worship him as their savior.
One can in fact determine the race of modern men by looking at their skulls. Each race has different skeletal features.
If you put Asian, European, African and Neanderthal skulls in a row and look for differences and similarities, you will find that the African skulls resemble Neanderthal more so than Asian or European and that Asian skulls resemble Neanderthal more than European.

We know that we can recognize who the father of a child is by comparing physical structural traits.
 

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One can in fact determine the race of modern men by looking at their skulls. Each race has different skeletal features.
If you put Asian, European, African and Neanderthal skulls in a row and look for differences and similarities, you will find that the African skulls resemble Neanderthal more so than Asian or European and that Asian skulls resemble Neanderthal more than European.
I really don't think it's nearly so simple as you're suggesting. The allegations I've read most recently are that Eurasians share only 1-2% genetic similarities to Neanderthal and that there were many other species of hominids roaming the Earth around the same time...all presumably mixing and matching their DNA pools for jollies. Remember the Hobbit man? Those critters were supposedly Asian as well. I think you have to get into recessive vs dominant genetics to really appreciate what traits survive over time. Also consider that these priests of science were peddling the notion that Neanderthal was only slightly smarter than the dumbest modern ape just a decade or so ago, and now the thinking seems to be that Neanderthal was a tool maker with burial rituals. That would make them far far smarter than they were given credit.

Anyway, why limit it to just skulls when you can compare overall skeletal structure.


But understand that nothing can be verified and anyone who tells you that they know true history, is a moron aiming to try and economically mislead to fleece you...
One thing is certain, and that is that so called scientists spew forth a bunch of drivel as fact that later turns out to be little more than baseless speculation. Pretty sure large numbers of these guys and gals have been willfully deceiving(at least themselves) about how long our ancestors have been wandering this ball of mud. I believe our origins are far stranger than I was taught in fool skool, yet the same dog vomit is being pounded into kid's heads even today.
 

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Aliens needed workers to harvest what this planet had to offer. So they bred the great apes on the African continent and got blacks, they bred the orangutans on the Asian continent and got Asians and they bred the neanderthal in Europe and got whites. All workers for the aliens. When the harvest was over they left the workers to fend for themselves. That is the history of man.
 

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Tried to watch the video, I. Just. Can't. "Then one day an ape just suddenly stood upright..."

lol Someone still believes that horseshit? I guess that means all the apes that are still apes are defective? ...or did that one ape just get a lucky lottery ticket? Why can't we seem to find this link between apes and modern humans? Why aren't other animals "evolving" like we did? Why aren't horses building cars yet? When is a shark going to launch the first airliner for passenger service?

See this is where so called scientists piss me off, cuz they don't know that we "evolved" from apes, yet they pass it off as fact. To make matters worse, every time a priest of the science religion seems certain that so called evolutionary dead ends...like Neanderthal were dumb stupid apes themselves, it turns out not to be the case. Now we supposedly have Neanderthal DNA in us, so I guess they weren't stupid apes that died off hundreds of thousands of years ago.
 

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Tried to watch the video, I. Just. Can't. "Then one day an ape just suddenly stood upright..."

lol Someone still believes that horseshit? I guess that means all the apes that are still apes are defective? ...or did that one ape just get a lucky lottery ticket? Why can't we seem to find this link between apes and modern humans? Why aren't other animals "evolving" like we did? Why aren't horses building cars yet? When is a shark going to launch the first airliner for passenger service?

See this is where so called scientists piss me off, cuz they don't know that we "evolved" from apes, yet they pass it off as fact. To make matters worse, every time a priest of the science religion seems certain that so called evolutionary dead ends...like Neanderthal were dumb stupid apes themselves, it turns out not to be the case. Now we supposedly have Neanderthal DNA in us, so I guess they weren't stupid apes that died off hundreds of thousands of years ago.
That's what I always wonder. Why did some chimps evolve into higher beings and some of them just stuck around, hanging in the trees? What, did they say, "No thanks. We don't want to bother with that evolution crap. It's too much hassle. I like trees and bananas, but you guys have fun."
 

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That's what I always wonder. Why did some chimps evolve into higher beings and some of them just stuck around, hanging in the trees? What, did they say, "No thanks. We don't want to bother with that evolution crap. It's too much hassle. I like trees and bananas, but you guys have fun."
Because it didn't happen
 

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No, I don't believe it did. At least it didn't happen spontaneously as suggested in the video above. At this point, I'm leaning toward mtnman's ancient alien theory as being the most credible explanation.
 

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Aliens would be fine with me but there's virtually no evidence
At least with God, we have lots of writings about God and some of the writings have depth, physicality and the likes

Yet, with aliens, we have nothing :spaceship:
 

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I claim these are evidence:

LONDON, TX - London Hammer

 

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I claim these are evidence:

LONDON, TX - London Hammer

Right, Aliens fly here from galaxies far, far away, make wooden handled iron tools, tell the slaves to start digging and demand gold
LOL
They also hung around and created bars where they picked up on human women and made babies who were once giants but now, no longer exist, they went extinct
Forward living Aliens who left their progeny to die

Me neither, and think, a picture is worth a thousand words
I know yours, you don't really know mine
but, I bet you do and you choose to believe in aliens anyway

Tomato, Tomato
 

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Buck wrote "Right, Aliens fly here from galaxies far, far away, make wooden handled iron tools, tell the slaves to start digging and demand gold".

LOL - YOU got the order mixed up. Flew here from Far far away, Could not get use to Earth Cycles - 24 hr. day / 365.2499 days orbit,..., created the slaves who were taught to make the tool(s), and dig the gold they demanded.

Buck Wrote "...Forward living Aliens who left their progeny to die"

NOPE, We're still here, Alive and Kickin'. Most of the time each other's ass. ( :-O
 

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The stalagmites were broken and strewn in a circle, though the intention is still not know.
They probably just got tired of accidentally hitting their heads on them in the dark cave, and so broke them off and tossed them in a pile.


It is now believed that Neanderthals built similar structures on the surface, though they would have been lost to the elements.
How could they possibly know that, if any evidence of it has been destroyed?
 

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Right, Aliens fly here from galaxies far, far away, make wooden handled iron tools, tell the slaves to start digging and demand gold
LOL
They also hung around and created bars where they picked up on human women and made babies who were once giants but now, no longer exist, they went extinct
Forward living Aliens who left their progeny to die



Me neither, and think, a picture is worth a thousand words
I know yours, you don't really know mine
but, I bet you do and you choose to believe in aliens anyway

Tomato, Tomato
Remind me why I'm talking to you. You are a Socialist(communist lite). I do not respect socialist. Bye.
 

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To me the hammer looks like it was lost in some Roman concrete.
FOUND encased in 400 million year old rock, one part of the wooden hammer has coalified while another part has petrified. Neither process can be done within the time frame of a few 1000 years.
Analysis on the iron head confirmed to consist of 96.6% iron, 2.6% chlorine, and 0.74% sulfur.( There is No Known Process in which chlorine is used in processing/forging iron.)

The hammerhead has not rusted since its discovery in the mid-1930s.


The stone is embedded in a concretion of aggregate.
 

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I'm going with the "Many Universes" on this one....Hammer was misplace in a parallel universe, thus it transcended time.

Hey, at least I am leaving out the alien/god thing and just going with an oppsie.
 

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FOUND encased in 400 million year old rock, one part of the wooden hammer has coalified while another part has petrified. Neither process can be done within the time frame of a few 1000 years.
Analysis on the iron head confirmed to consist of 96.6% iron, 2.6% chlorine, and 0.74% sulfur.( There is No Known Process in which chlorine is used in processing/forging iron.)

The hammerhead has not rusted since its discovery in the mid-1930s.


The stone is embedded in a concretion of aggregate.
I'm no metalurgist, but isn't chlorine a gas? How can they bind a gas with iron and sulfur? Do they possibly mean chromium? That would make some sense.
 

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I'm no metalurgist, but isn't chlorine a gas? How can they bind a gas with iron and sulfur? Do they possibly mean chromium? That would make some sense.
OK, I looked it up. Chlorine is not a gas, it's a halogen. It's very highly oxidative in nature, so, if you could combine chlorine and iron, you should get rust and lots of it, too.
Also, I'm a bit of a knife collector. If you want a good rust-resistant steel, you need at least 13% chromium to earn a label of stainless. So, if they meant chromium, 2.6% is definitely not enough.