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How living in China changed my view on Trump and US politics: Californian native

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China is a mercantile colony, with its workers essentially held in prison-factories.

That the prison wardens are getting rich, does not mean the mercantile prison-nation is prosperous. Once the host society collapses, so does the mercantile nation.

I don't think there's gonna be any describing the coming violence when all this flies apart - and we're almost there. South Africa is just a preview trailer.
 

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Spent 6 weeks in China.
Escorted everywhere.
Phone calls to our hotel room every night to "verify" that we weren't out someplace un-escorted.
Constantly being monitored.
 

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Perhaps hotel and company mangement were scared that the gwailou would get lost. Lots of paper work then for them.

Usually mangement devices are also chaperoned, should they inadvertently observer something untoward, and the Chinese company lose face.

I'm just a worker.

Spent 3 weeks in Beijing, 2016 July.

No escort.
Could freely walk around and use the public transport.
No limitations as to movements. No one cared.
Could purchase food and booze freely at any 711, 24x7.
No issue getting to work and back.
No known monitoring at the Kempinski Lufthansa Center.
No isses doing what we wanted to, when we wanted to, within limits naturally.

No issues going back, except for the heat and humidity. (113 deg F and very, very humid, in summer.)

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View from the hotel.

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I was a professional.

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Not everything is right. And some copies are not exact.

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He discovered that 2+2 does not equal 3?
Took him a while...
 

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Perhaps hotel and company mangement were scared that the gwailou would get lost. Lots of paper work then for them.

Spent 3 weeks in Beijing, 2016 July.

No escort.
Could freely walk around and use the public transport.
No limitations as to movements. No one cared.
Could purchase food and booze freely at any 711, 24x7.
No issue getting to work and back.
No known monitoring at the Kempinski Lufthansa Center.
No isses doing what we wanted to, when we wanted to, within limits naturally.

No issues going back, except for the heat and humidity. (113 deg F and very, very humid, in summer.)

Golden Regards
Uncle

View from the hotel.

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I was a prefessional.

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Not everything is right.

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However if you verbally criticized the Gov it would be a very different story.


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A Dark Chapter in Modern History: The Day When 36 Westerners Were Arrested in China​

BY EMG INSPIRED STAFF
December 5, 2020 Updated: December 5, 2020
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Thirty-six Westerners from 12 countries quietly appeared in Tiananmen Square—the symbolic heart of China—with a simple message that shocked all those at the square the fateful day of Nov. 20, 2001. Their unprecedented protest soon made international headlines.
After group photos, most of the 36 Westerners from Europe, Australia, and North America sat down to meditate. Surprisingly, this was the courageous action that astounded many Chinese onlookers on that day, and it was their only crime that led to their arrest.

They unfurled a golden banner that read, “Truth Compassion Tolerance,” before the backdrop of a communist slogan that ironically reads, “Long Live the Great Unity of the World’s Peoples.”
Epoch Times Photo (The Journey to Tiananmen)
Twenty seconds later, police arrived in vans, honking their horns like crazy. The next moment, police vans surrounded the 36 Westerners. Police began blowing their whistles all over the square, pushing away tourists and grabbing cameras from anyone caught holding one.
As the police made hasty attempts to tear down their huge banner, Canadian Falun Gong practitioner Zenon Dolnyckyj unfurled a smaller banner strapped to his leg, which read, “Falun Dafa is good.”
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“America knows, the world knows, that Falun Gong is good!” Dolnyckyj cried out in Chinese while running across the square, prominently displaying the banner.
Epoch Times Photo (Screenshot/Legends Unfolding)
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Falun Gong, also called Falun Dafa, is a self-improvement cultivation practice of mind and body that is based on the values of Truthfulness, Compassion, and Tolerance.
By 1999, there were approximately 70 million to 100 million Falun Gong practitioners in China alone, according to a state survey. Despite the practice’s much-acclaimed physical and mental health benefits, the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) began a brutal persecution campaign to eradicate the peaceful practice on July 20, 1999.
Epoch Times Photo Falun Gong practitioners doing group exercises in China before the July 1999 persecution campaign began. (Falun Dafa Information Center)
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Epoch Times Photo Falun Gong practitioners meditate prior to a rally that called for an end to the persecution of Falun Gong in China, on Capitol Hill in Washington, on June 20, 2018. (Samira Bouaou/The Epoch Times)
Three police knocked Dolnyckyj to the ground, and one brawny man punched him in the face, fracturing his nose. Another young man from Sweden lay on the ground unconscious after being beaten.
“A young lady from France was grabbed by the throat and choked,” according to Dolnyckyj. And a man from Australia was beaten even worse than he, resulting in his hand being broken.
One by one, these peaceful protesters were pulled, dragged away, and thrown into police vans.
During a time when the entire world was fed fabricated lies about Falun Gong by the Chinese Communist Party’s enormous propaganda machine, why did these Western practitioners gather in Tiananmen Square despite knowing the danger ahead?
Here’s what they have to say:
Zenon Dolnyckyj, fitness coach, Canada
Epoch Times Photo Zenon Dolnyckyj. (Screenshot/The Journey to Tiananmen)
Dolnyckyj said: “I know Falun Gong is good because I have been practising for three and a half years. Because of practising Falun Gong I have been able to get over drinking, smoking, doing drugs and many other bad habits which only helped to pollute my heart, mind and body.”
“With the deepest respect I have come to your country to stand up for the truth for you. Please don’t believe the lies [of the Chinese regime],” Dolnyckyj added.
Read his full statement here.
Helene Tong, sales director, Taste of Life Magazine, France
Epoch Times Photo Helene Tong. (Screenshot/The Journey to Tiananmen)
Tong reasoned she went to China in response to the Chinese regime’s extreme vilification campaign against the spiritual practice, which has convinced Chinese people through misinformation that “nobody outside of China practices Falun Gong.”
“It’s more about the Chinese citizens, who were deceived by the Chinese regime into thinking that we were a cult, and that was so unfair. I really want to talk to them, to have them see, look, we are white, we are from so many countries and we practice Falun Gong, do you know that?” Tong said.
Lilian Staf, graphic designer, Sweden
Epoch Times Photo Lilian Staf. (Screenshot/The Journey to Tiananmen)
Staf said: “Since the persecution started, more than 50,000 practitioners have been arbitrarily detained and more than 10,000 have been sent to labour camps without trial. In the labour camps rape and torture is rampantly used to try to force the practitioners to stop practising Falun Gong. As a result a lot of Falun Gong practitioners already died.
“Only through raising the awareness of the atrocities can we stop them.”
Read Staf’s full statement here.
Kay Rubacek, artist, Australia
Epoch Times Photo Kay Rubacek. (Screenshot/Legends Unfolding)
“I’ve had so many health benefits, so many spiritual benefits, improvements in my relationships with my family and friends,” testifies Rubacek.
The Australian artist also mentioned that if anyone tried to force her to stop practicing Falun Gong, like what’s happening in present-day China, she absolutely wouldn’t comply.
“So I could understand why the practitioners in China wouldn’t either, and why they would go and appeal, and even risk their lives.”
Monika Weiss, retired film editor, Germany
Epoch Times Photo Monika Weiss. (Screenshot/The Journey to Tiananmen)
“I’ve been working as a film editor for many years. And very often, I had interviews with Jewish people, and they were speaking about the Nazi regime,” Weiss said.
“I understood it so deeply how much manipulation comes out from [the] media, and how the Chinese government is limiting its own people.”

What Happened to Them After the Arrest?

They were put in a tiny cell in the Tiananmen Square Police Station. There, they came face to face with the dark side of China—one that is hidden from foreign investors and tourists.
“I started to look around the walls of the cell. I could see marks that looked like someone’s fingers had run their hands down, and there was some dirty kind of bloody stains there,” said Kate Vereshaka, from Australia, in the documentary The Journey to Tiananmen.
Epoch Times Photo (Screenshot/Legends Unfolding)
One Falun Gong practitioner from Israel, Leeshai Lemish, was beaten by the police in a small room.
The police later took them to a hotel, where they were given food and water so as to film them being “treated humanely.”
“What looks like a hotel, but is actually a public security facility. It’s all you know—two-way mirrors and rooms, and it’s just crawling with police,” recalled Adam Leining, an entrepreneur from the United States.
The police tried to force them to sign a statement wholly written in Chinese. They refused to sign, and hence some of them were violently struck in the face and stomped in the stomach.
Fearing the arrest would draw worldwide attention to this unlawful persecution, Chinese authorities eventually released the group after keeping them detained for 24 to 28 hours.
Sixteen years later, a documentary titled “The Journey to Tiananmen” was made about this remarkable story.

However, that’s not the case for the many Falun Gong practitioners in China who don’t hold foreign passports.
According to the Falun Dafa Information Center, over 300 Chinese practitioners were estimated to be tortured to death at the hands of the regime by November 2001. As of December 2020, at least 4,363 practitioners are confirmed to have died in the persecution (name list).
Moreover, per a 2016 report, tens of thousands of practitioners are believed to have been killed for their organs to fuel China’s lucrative transplant industry.
 

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it's just too damn cold to live north of Indiana
 

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However if you verbally criticized the Gov it would be a very different story.

I suspect it is a bad idea to criticize the government of any country where you are a guest.

If you are a guest, behave accordingly. Especially if your understanding of the language or custom lacks experience.

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Yeah, if you are in Thailand, don't criticize the king. If you are in China, don't compare Xi to Winnie the Pooh. And in the US, if you are in Mafia territory, don't announce that you are going to deliver evidence against them.
 

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I suspect it is a bad idea to criticize the government of any country where you are a guest.

If you are a guest, behave accordingly. Especially if your understanding of the language or custom lacks experience.

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Yeah im saying China (CCP) is exceptionally intolerant. As is any insecure bully.

Recent example

The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) arrested the founder of Hong Kong’s Apple Daily newspaper, Jimmy Lai, and other prominent defenders of democracy in the city, under the controversial security law.

“This is the end of press freedom and the darkest day for journalists,” Wong added in another of his tweets, adding that the CCP banned international coverage of the persecution, and only news approved by the CCP could be published.

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Just another uneducated Kalifornia moron.
He's an uneducated Kalifornia moron?

He said he was a left-leaning person his whole life and voted against Trump in 2016.
Then he moved to China in 2017 and his view of Trump began to change. Trump was right on China.
Today, he's not right-leaning but he is also no longer left-leaning. He calls himself a centrist now.

That makes him a moron? If so, there are a whole lot more California folks who need the same thing he experienced.
 
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He's an uneducated Kalifornia moron?

He said he was a left-leaning person his whole life and voted against Trump in 2016.
Then he moved to China in 2017 and his view of Trump began to change. Trump was right on China.
Today, he's not right-leaning but he is also no longer left-leaning. He calls himself a centrist now.

That makes him a moron? If so, there are a whole lot more California folks who need the same thing he experienced.

Yep, he sure is a moron just like 60% of the state of Kalifornia. If he had to take a trip to a communist country to figure out how misguided he was, that makes him a moron and a simpleton. It only takes a few minutes of research to figure out how evil Democrats and communists are. You dont need to visit china to figure that out.
 

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Yep, he sure is a moron just like 60% of the state of Kalifornia. If he had to take a trip to a communist country to figure out how misguided he was, that makes him a moron and a simpleton. It only takes a few minutes of research to figure out how evil Democrats and communists are. You dont need to visit china to figure that out.
He didn't go to China to figure out how he was wrong. He went to learn the language. In the process of doing that, he learned he was wrong about some of his previously held beliefs.

I guess you were born knowing everything and never had to change your mind about anything. Kudos to you if that's that case (we all know it isn't though).

Some people can admit they were wrong about things and change their point of view. Others can't. This guy is in the first group. I wish more Americans were like that.
 

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He didn't go to China to figure out how he was wrong. He went to learn the language. In the process of doing that, he learned he was wrong about some of his previously held beliefs.

I guess you were born knowing everything and never had to change your mind about anything. Kudos to you if that's that case (we all know it isn't though).

Some people can admit they were wrong about things and change their point of view. Others can't. This guy is in the first group. I wish more Americans were like that.
Yes I was and thank you. I appreciate the Kudos.