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just play som good old isolationism...if there is a food shortage or what ever, then the country better make sure that farmers and distributors meet the demands of the US before one kernel of corn or bean is shipped over seas...keep our prices the same and stick it to those countries that hate us...which seems pretty popular these days....time to remind the world who the big dog still is.
 

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Sorry guys but most of the "food" production is done in the Central Valley of California.. Even beef is produced at a higher rate in the border states (TX, CA, OR, ID, MT, ND) then in the hart land anymore.

Big Gov messed up when they started paying farmers in the Midwest to idle land and/or grown corn for cornstarch! Most of the Potato's in the world are grown in just three State and those three have zero flooding.

Please don't buy into the MSM nightly news and the Floodpoclypse.
 

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What do I need to buy?
 

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Im guessing this will hurt Beef and Pork production the most...........this happened early enough most crops planted will adjust to fill gaps....but loss of animal life and probably a rise in animal feed costs should drive meat prices up .......in my opinion
 

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Im guessing this will hurt Beef and Pork production the most...........this happened early enough most crops planted will adjust to fill gaps....but loss of animal life and probably a rise in animal feed costs should drive meat prices up .......in my opinion
 

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Hogs eat anything. Secaucus, NJ used to be all hog farms feasting on the waste of NYC restaurants. Mike Rowe did a story on a Nevada hog farmer who got all the scraps from the Vegas strip casinos. Pork should be the one meat that is economically resistant. Heck! If things get really rough we can feed them snowflakes. What? Like they're going to fight back?
 

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Well My friend told me that his friend who had 1,600 pigs wound up with 14. That has kind of have to suck....like BIG time suck.

during a flood I had a friend lose his sheep..... SO I deposited to him my goats....

well that's how it goes in floods...shit the bed- I never like ever expected so see the shit i did BUT then it happened.
 

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Well My friend told me that his friend who had 1,600 pigs wound up with 14. That has kind of have to suck....like BIG time suck.

during a flood I had a friend lose his sheep..... SO I deposited to him my goats....

well that's how it goes in floods...shit the bed- I never like ever expected so see the shit i did BUT then it happened.
That is something I just don't understand with farmers. You have fields and heavy equipment. Build a 15 or 20 foot mound or berm so the livestock can get to higher ground in such times of flooding. Very low tech engineering. Heck if you want something more robust get some Hesco MIL Bastion cubes at a .gov surplus auction. Yes, the livestock will be cramped but they're alive and you can always get a boat with feed to them.
 

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That is something I just don't understand with farmers. You have fields and heavy equipment. Build a 15 or 20 foot mound or berm so the livestock can get to higher ground in such times of flooding. Very low tech engineering. Heck if you want something more robust get some Hesco MIL Bastion cubes at a .gov surplus auction. Yes, the livestock will be cramped but they're alive and you can always get a boat with feed to them.
with all due respect........you would need a ship to feed them....usually the flood wipes out the feed stockpiles and no way to get feed in.......think in how many tractor trailer loads of feed a day you could boat over to your livestock........your thinking on a very small scale....and reality is a huge scale..that also applies to piling up dirt too
 

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with all due respect........you would need a ship to feed them....usually the flood wipes out the feed stockpiles and no way to get feed in.......think in how many tractor trailer loads of feed a day you could boat over to your livestock........your thinking on a very small scale....and reality is a huge scale..that also applies to piling up dirt too
I agree and disagree. I was thinking about keeping them alive enough to get them on a truck to somewhere else. Property preservation. Hungry and maybe slightly sick livestock are more valuable than dead livestock. Even selling the herd at a loss is probably cheaper than sucking up the whole loss and the associated disposal costs.
 

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I agree and disagree. I was thinking about keeping them alive enough to get them on a truck to somewhere else. Property preservation. Hungry and maybe slightly sick livestock are more valuable than dead livestock. Even selling the herd at a loss is probably cheaper than sucking up the whole loss and the associated disposal costs.
i would mention that most farms have the animals insured so that becomes part of the equation that you might not be considering.........for that matter most have crops insured also but this time of year most dont have a crop in the field to insure and may not be able to put seed in........a rush of livestock to market for sale would crash the market causing losses so it probably makes sense to take the insurance $ rather than a loss
 

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i would mention that most farms have the animals insured so that becomes part of the equation that you might not be considering....
Insurance companies always have an out. If they don't they'll wait you out into bankruptcy. Plus they have enough bought judges to rule in their favor.
 

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Insurance companies always have an out. If they don't they'll wait you out into bankruptcy. Plus they have enough bought judges to rule in their favor.
just to put a size scale....its not uncommon for a herd to be 10,000 cows......most ag insurance has a government component to it...
 

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All I know is most pig pens are just hot wired and the pigs get used to it. What you do not have is a bunch of gelds in the same pen because no matter how hot the wires the pigs get to bumping each other and through the fence they go and then you have a break out and even when you contain the pigs you have to send them to slaughter because them boogers are smart and remember. So pigs don't get the big manure pile to stand on like a lot of cows get.

You know....as I don't really know as this is second/third hand information I am thinking the hot wires shorted and the pigs went with the flow and either drowned somewhere else or are alive and detained in someone else's pen by now. But you have to admit that many pigs and only 14 left? Why the 14 and only 14? Guy could have cut the power and went for the insurance as pigs are not branded and IDK if they crop their ears anymore....could be they just run a numbered tag through the ear but what would I know about SC stock law?

But one thing is for sure....them pigs B gone.
 

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Sonny Perdue said last week that 1 million cattle died in nebraska. The total # of cattle in nebraska is estimated at 2.4 million. I think we will definitely see a rise in the price of beef. That ought to make chicken farmers and guys with calves on the ground happy.
 

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Sonny Perdue said last week that 1 million cattle died in nebraska. The total # of cattle in nebraska is estimated at 2.4 million. I think we will definitely see a rise in the price of beef. That ought to make chicken farmers and guys with calves on the ground happy.
Pretty crazy.
The other day lean hogs went up over 20% in one day, today feeder cattle down over 3% & live cattle down 2.25%.
 

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At the yearling sale in la Junta Colorado yesterday, backgrounded yearlings that sold for $800 2 weeks ago brought 1200 frn.

Just a note I thought id pass along, the feeders are short on stocker cattle, and are paying out the ass.
 

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Feeders and live Cattle not even close to where they were 5 years ago. Short spike on the 22/23 and back to normal now (but what's normal).
 

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I was referring to the live cattle market, where you take delivery, not board prices. Thats just speculator bullshit banker boys batting it around for fun. They hit it going up, and again going down. Fuck them guys. Give it some time itll make its way to the meat case. All they need is an excuse.
 

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i would imagine farmers that loss feed stocks .......are taking live surviving cattle to market so i can see the possibility of a short term over supply to the market then...shortages later this year..........not sure the ussage of dead animal carcasses but i would imagine that market is in glut and products out of that market are tanking
 

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All those beef ranches in Florida are still doing fine.

Spring floods in the Midwest are nothing new and if this is the worst flooding the authors seen in his lifetime he needs to get out more.

Article is hyperbole at its finest.
 

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..and reality is a huge scale..that also applies to piling up dirt too
Also, where they gonna get all that dirt from? Have to make a lake or haul it in. Dirt may be cheap, but haulin' it ain't.
 

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Sorry guys but most of the "food" production is done in the Central Valley of California.. Even beef is produced at a higher rate in the border states (TX, CA, OR, ID, MT, ND) then in the hart land anymore.

Big Gov messed up when they started paying farmers in the Midwest to idle land and/or grown corn for cornstarch! Most of the Potato's in the world are grown in just three State and those three have zero flooding.

Please don't buy into the MSM nightly news and the Floodpoclypse.
Nope. While Texas is king of cattle, Nebraska is second, Kansas third. Of the top ten states only two are not in the midwest region.