• Same story, different day...........year ie more of the same fiat floods the world
  • There are no markets
  • "Spreading the ideas of freedom loving people on matters regarding high finance, politics, constructionist Constitution, and mental masturbation of all types"

Immigration & Trumps Wall

searcher

Mother Lode Found
Mother Lode
Sr Site Supporter
Joined
Mar 31, 2010
Messages
180,066
Likes
43,462
Border SHUTDOWN: Trump is 'preparing an executive order' to ban ALL Central American migrants - even those seeking asylum - from entering the U.S via Mexico amid caravan chaos

  • White House reportedly preparing executive order to block incoming caravan
  • At least 7,000 Central Americans have been walking for days to reach the US
  • Trump tweeted on Thursday that they would be blocked by border patrol agents
  • Pentagon currently finalizing deployment of 1,000 troops to assist at the border
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...e-order-ban-Central-American-migrants-US.html
 

LocoFoco

New Member
Joined
Oct 18, 2018
Messages
80
Likes
91
But really, what should we expect with all those folks coming into town? Of course it'll look like a parade hit the town.

I wonder if the Egyptians had the same complaints about Moses and the Jews for 40 years.
 

SongSungAU

Midas Member
Midas Member
Joined
Jun 8, 2010
Messages
6,154
Likes
9,130
But really, what should we expect with all those folks coming into town? ...
Cleaning up after themselves, for one. Or the people paying for the buses should be paying for clean up crews too.

If someone did this on your street in front of your house, you'd be happy? Woo-hoo!
I don't believe that.
 

searcher

Mother Lode Found
Mother Lode
Sr Site Supporter
Joined
Mar 31, 2010
Messages
180,066
Likes
43,462
EXCLUSIVE: 'People who deny there are criminals in the caravan are naive - MS-13 are everywhere.' Ex-member of vicious gang says Trump is RIGHT and he knows nearly a dozen gangsters hiding among the migrants on way to US border

  • An 18-year-old who claims he is a former member of the vicious MS-13 gang says he knows of at least ten of his former cohorts who are hiding out in the mass of disheveled migrants marching north through Mexico
  • 'I don't agree with anything Donald Trump stands for but on this occasion the President is right,' he told DailyMail.com
  • The teen, who goes by 'Pepito', said most of his former associates were trying to leave the gang life behind but MS-13 bosses treat deserters as enemies and will have people mingling with the crowds to try to spot them
  • He explained: 'My brother is still in MS-13 and he told me they have contacts looking for people right now in the caravan. They can come after you and they can take your life for this'
  • The migrant caravan formed in San Pedro Sula, Honduras on October 12, but the group of around 150 migrants swelled to 7,200 by the time they crossed into Mexico one week later
  • President Trump has maintained the convoy contains 'criminals and unknown Middle Easterners' that pose a terror threat and he plans to 'send as many troops as necessary' to the US border to dispel the migrants
  • On Thursday it was reported Trump was preparing an executive order to ban the caravan from entering the US, as his plan would block the migrants - who are still nearly a month away - from seeking asylum
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ws-nearly-dozen-gangsters-hiding-caravan.html
 

searcher

Mother Lode Found
Mother Lode
Sr Site Supporter
Joined
Mar 31, 2010
Messages
180,066
Likes
43,462
As 'Caravan' Crosses Mexico, Trump's 'Temporary' Tent City For Migrant Kids Balloons In Size


by Tyler Durden
Fri, 10/26/2018 - 22:45

A new report from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) shows President Trump's temporary tent city for unaccompanied alien children (UAC) at the U.S. Customs and Border Protection's (CBP) Tornillo, Texas Land Port of Entry (LPOE) has dramatically expanded its capabilities over the last several months.

Tornillo's tent city was designed to temporarily house 450 children under the supervision of HHS in June, when Trump's zero-tolerance policy separated over 2,500 migrant children from their parents.

Now, the temporary shelter has 3,800 beds for UACs between ages 13 and 17, 1,400 of those beds are on special reverse status.
The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and HHS said the expansion of the facility was imperative due to the influx of immigrant children arriving at the Mexico-US border without family members.

Full article with pics here https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...america-tent-city-migrants-kids-balloons-size
 

LocoFoco

New Member
Joined
Oct 18, 2018
Messages
80
Likes
91
Cleaning up after themselves, for one. Or the people paying for the buses should be paying for clean up crews too.
If someone did this on your street in front of your house, you'd be happy? Woo-hoo!
I don't believe that.
The problem, as I see it, is they were welcomed into the town in the first place.
 

searcher

Mother Lode Found
Mother Lode
Sr Site Supporter
Joined
Mar 31, 2010
Messages
180,066
Likes
43,462
'We're heading north! Defiant migrants turns down Mexico's offer of works visas, health care and housing as caravan presses on with relentless march towards the US

  • Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto said that migrants wishing to obtain temporary identification documents, jobs or education for their children could do so by registering for asylum in southern Mexico
  • To qualify for the scheme he called 'Estas en Tu Casa' ('Make Yourself at Home') migrants had to be in the southern states of Chiapas and Oaxaca, Pena Nieto said
  • But on Friday, a resilient crowd in Arriaga said 'thank you' before adding that they were still going to head 'north' for the border
  • 'Our goal is not to remain in Mexico,' Oscar Sosa, a 58-year-old man from Honduras, said. 'Our goal is to make it to the (U.S). We want passage, that's all'
  • Mexico's government has said that more than 1,700 people in the convoy have registered for asylum, while others have returned home
  • Estimates on the size of the group vary
  • President Trump was considering an executive order that would allow the U.S. to deny asylum seekers' claims if they enter illegally as part of the caravan
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...tatus-offer-ass-caravan-banks-presses-US.html
 

searcher

Mother Lode Found
Mother Lode
Sr Site Supporter
Joined
Mar 31, 2010
Messages
180,066
Likes
43,462
None shall pass: Homeland Security Secretary Nielsen unveils the first phase of Trump's 30ft metal wall at the Mexican border as the administration says 'everything is on the table' to keep the migrant caravan out

  • A 30-foot fence spanning two miles has been erected at a Calexico site in Imperial City, California
  • Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen spoke at the Mexico-US border as a migrant caravan from Honduras headed towards the US
  • The structure is separate from a concrete wall prototype built near San Diego as part of Trump's signature White House campaign promise in 2016
  • There could be up to 1,000 troops at the border and approximately 2,000 members of the National Guard along the border
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...onald-Trumps-wall-Mexico-border-unveiled.html
 

searcher

Mother Lode Found
Mother Lode
Sr Site Supporter
Joined
Mar 31, 2010
Messages
180,066
Likes
43,462
Violence breaks out WITHIN the migrant caravan: Fights erupt over food as it's revealed a SECOND caravan is heading for US despite resolute Trump deploying 800 US troops to support Border Patrol

  • Defense Secretary James Mattis said on Sunday that military equipment is already being delivered to border
  • Mattis will announce more details on Sunday night as to where the troops will go and what roles they have
  • Meanwhile the main migrant caravan has crossed into Oaxaca and taken a day of rest in Tapanatepec
  • Fight broke out in Tapanatepec when migrants became angry at man who told them to line up for food
  • Another caravan is at Mexico's southern border and a third departed San Salvador on Sunday morning
  • Guatemalan police clashed with second caravan on Sunday firing tear gas at crowd trying to storm border
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-military-equipment-border-block-caravan.html
 

searcher

Mother Lode Found
Mother Lode
Sr Site Supporter
Joined
Mar 31, 2010
Messages
180,066
Likes
43,462
Trump Plans To End Birthright Citizenship For Children Of Illegal Immigrants: Axios


by Tyler Durden
Tue, 10/30/2018 - 06:44


In a report that essentially confirms some of the worst fears of American progressives, Axios said Tuesday that President Trump is planning to sign an executive order to end birthright citizenship for babies of non-citizens and unauthorized immigrants born on US soil...



In a report based on an interview with Axios set to air on its new show, "Axios on HBO," the organization's reporter said such an order would be "the most dramatic move yet" in Trump's crackdown on illegal immigration, targeting so-called "anchor babies." It will almost certainly set off another stand-off with the courts, as Trump's authority to impose such a change via executive order is up for debate.

Trump said in an interview that he has run the idea of ending birthright citizenship by his counsel and plans to proceed with the highly controversial move, which certainly will face legal challenges.
  • "It was always told to me that you needed a constitutional amendment. Guess what? You don't," Trump said, declaring he can do it by executive order.
  • When told says that's very much in dispute, Trump replied: "You can definitely do it with an Act of Congress. But now they're saying I can do it just with an executive order."
  • "We're the only country in the world where a person comes in and has a baby, and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States ... with all of those benefits," Trump continued. "It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. And it has to end."
  • "It's in the process. It'll happen ... with an executive order."

* * *

Trump said he was surprised that Axios had caught wind of his plan.

"I didn't think anybody knew that but me. I thought I was the only one. "
Axios later clarified that it had been working to confirm the story for weeks before the interview.

While any attempt to remove birthright citizenship would undoubtedly set off a constitutional challenge...

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."​
...Legal scholars are divided on the subject.

John Eastman, a constitutional scholar and director of Chapman University's Center for Constitutional Jurisprudence, told "Axios on HBO" that the Constitution has been misapplied over the past 40 or so years. He says the line "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" originally referred to people with full, political allegiance to the U.S. - green card holders and citizens.​
Adding weight to Trump's argument, birthright citizenship wasn't applied to the children of immigrants until the 1960s...

Between 1980 and 2006, the number of births to unauthorized immigrants - which opponents of birthright citizenship call "anchor babies" - skyrocketed to a peak of 370,000, according to a 2016 study by Pew Research. It then declined slightly during and following the Great Recession.​
The Supreme Court has already ruled that children born to immigrants who are legal permanent residents have citizenship. But those who claim the 14th Amendment should not apply to everyone point to the fact that there has been no ruling on a case specifically involving undocumented immigrants or those with temporary legal status.​
Axios' four-part documentary news series will debut on HBO this Sunday at 6:30 pm.

Watch a clip from Axios' interview with Trump below:


https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...citizenship-children-illegal-immigrants-axios
 

searcher

Mother Lode Found
Mother Lode
Sr Site Supporter
Joined
Mar 31, 2010
Messages
180,066
Likes
43,462
Trump to revoke birthright citizenship: President slams 'ridiculous' right of children born to non-citizens and vows to terminate it with executive order

  • President said he wants to sign an executive order ending birthright citizenship
  • Trump said the current policy is 'ridiculous. It's ridiculous. And it has to end'
  • Debate over whether he must overturn 14th Amendment of the US constitution
  • Trump insists he can change the law without amending the Constitution
  • It comes two weeks before mid-term elections and amid national hysteria over after a second migrant caravan heading for the US crossed into Mexico
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...hright-citizenship-using-executive-order.html
 

searcher

Mother Lode Found
Mother Lode
Sr Site Supporter
Joined
Mar 31, 2010
Messages
180,066
Likes
43,462
FWIW...…………..dyodd.

Second migrant caravan storms into Mexico: 'Violent' group from Central America carrying BOMBS and guns defies a huge police presence to cross the border from Guatemala as Trump deploys 5,200 troops

  • The second caravan making their way up through Central America have members armed with explosives
  • Had gasoline bombs made of soft-drink bottles, and improvised PVC tubes to launch fireworks
  • Mexican federal police briefly blocked the migrants from crossing the Suchiate River on Monday
  • But the migrants soon defied the law enforcement presence and broke through into Mexico
  • Many tried to swim or wade across to Mexico, some while carrying children
  • Law enforcement avoided a second day of violence, a day after a confrontation left one migrant dead
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6331353/Second-migrant-caravan-storms-Mexico.html
 

searcher

Mother Lode Found
Mother Lode
Sr Site Supporter
Joined
Mar 31, 2010
Messages
180,066
Likes
43,462
Inside The Pentagon's Plan For Stopping The "Migrant Invasion"


by Tyler Durden
Tue, 10/30/2018 - 08:31


The White House's latest "troop surge" to the border will ensure that more than 7,000 National Guard and active duty troops are waiting at 26 crossing points in Texas, Arizona and California to intercept members of the migrant caravan that's slowly making its way from Honduras to the US's southern border with Mexico. While most of the thousands of migrants who have been traveling with the caravan are expected to either turn back or seek asylum in Mexico, hundreds, if not thousands, could still try to cross into the US and either petition for asylum or try their luck with an illegal crossing as part of "Operation Faithful Patriot."



But as a second caravan has formed and is making its way through southern Mexico behind the first caravan that formed on Oct. 13 in the Honduran city of San Pedro Sula, the latest wave of soldiers will likely be staying at the hardened border for some time, armed with weapons and tools to help provide "logistical support" for the more than 2,000 National Guard troops that have been deployed since April, and the border patrol agents whose responsibility it is to apprehend migrants, per RT.

About 3,500 migrants are being monitored in southern Mexico near the border between the states of Chiapas and Oaxaca, while another group of roughly 3,000 is forming at the Mexican-Guatemalan border.

One of the first responsibilities of the latest troop wave will be to "harden" the border.

"We know border security is national security," General Terrence O'Shaughnessy, a commander with the US Northern Command and North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD), announced at a news conference on Monday, noting that the main objective of the US forces is to "harden the points of entry."

To accomplish this, the troops will build additional border barriers using razor wire and "over two dozen CBP air assets," four Blackhawk helicopters and drones, which will monitor migrants attempting an illegal entry, according to Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Kevin McAleenan. Furthermore, US troops will use "multiple fixed wings assets" to deploy troops to stop migrants where needed.

"We are bringing three helicopter companies in. They are enhanced with optics and sensors that will allow them to operate at night and provide assistance to bring our personnel exactly where they need to be regardless of the conditions," Gen. O'Shaughnessy explained.​


"The helicopters will ensure the agents can arrive in the most austere locations and fast-rope down and conduct…law enforcement activities."

The border patrol's message to the migrants is simple, one of their commanders said: "We will not allow a large group to enter the US in an unlawful and unsafe manner."

Trump said in an interview with Fox that the migrants are "wasting their time," adding that "they are not coming in." He added that they would be captured and not let out until their asylum claims had been processed.

"When they are captured, we don't let them out," Trump told host Laura Ingraham.​


"We're not letting them out...We're not catching, we're not releasing...We're not letting them into this country."

The number of troops deployed on the southern border is roughly equivalent to the 7,000 or so US troops deployed in Iraq and Syria to fight ISIS.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-30/inside-pentagons-plans-stopping-migrant-invasion
 

searcher

Mother Lode Found
Mother Lode
Sr Site Supporter
Joined
Mar 31, 2010
Messages
180,066
Likes
43,462
'Minutemen' arrive on the US-Mexico border to fend off migrant caravans - the first of which is now 'resting' and seeking buses to take it to Mexico City

  • First, largest caravan numbering 4,000 planned to rest at least a day or longer in the southern city of Juchitan beginning Wednesday
  • Its leaders are trying to convince Mexican authorities to arrange transportation for them to Mexico City some 700 miles away
  • Second caravan of 1,000 was trailing 250 miles behind the first and was in Tapachula, Mexico
  • US Border Patrol this week warned Texas landowners along the southern border to get ready for the arrival of 'armed civilians'
  • Head of the Texas Minutemen militia said he already has members at three points of the state's border with Mexico, with up to 100 more expected to arrive in the coming days
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...rest-hope-win-mass-transport-Mexico-City.html
 

searcher

Mother Lode Found
Mother Lode
Sr Site Supporter
Joined
Mar 31, 2010
Messages
180,066
Likes
43,462
'If he can do DACA, we can do this!' Trump cites Obama's 'Dreamer' program and insists he can end birthright citizenship through executive order – but would still rather see Congress change the law

  • President wants to sign an executive order ending birthright citizenship
  • Claims that the idea isn't so different from Obama's order creating DACA
  • DACA forbade deportation of more than 1 million people who came to the U.S. as minors, brought across the border by deportable illegal immigrants
  • 'If he can do DACA, we can do this,' Trump told reporters outside White House
  • On Wednesday he claimed the Constitution's 14th Amendment has limits
  • Trump noted that it applies to people 'subject to the jurisdiction' of the U.S., implying that illegal immigrants don't qualify
  • He cited former Democratic Sen. Harry Reid in 1993, complaining that the U.S. offers a citizenship incentive for illegal immigrants to have babies here
  • Reid fired back, saying that he had made a mistake at the time
  • Trump now says he would prefer if Congress changed the terms of citizenship for babies born in the U.S. to illegal immigrant parents
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...citizenship-just-like-Obama-created-DACA.html
 

searcher

Mother Lode Found
Mother Lode
Sr Site Supporter
Joined
Mar 31, 2010
Messages
180,066
Likes
43,462
RAW: US accumulating troops at border with Mexico as Operation Faithful Patriot continues
RT



Published on Oct 31, 2018
A C-17 Globemaster III arrived at the Kelly Field Annex in San Antonio, Texas, on Wednesday, delivering military personnel and cargo in support of Operation Faithful Patriot to secure the US-Mexico border.

On Monday, US Air Force General Terrence John O'Shaughnessy confirmed that an additional 5,200 troops would join existing border control forces in an effort to beef up security in response to the caravan of migrants from Central America, which is currently journeying towards the United States through Mexico.
 

Joe King

Gold Member
Gold Chaser
Site Supporter
Joined
Mar 31, 2010
Messages
7,416
Likes
7,687
Location
Instant Gratification Land
  • On Wednesday he claimed the Constitution's 14th Amendment has limits

  • Trump noted that it applies to people 'subject to the jurisdiction' of the U.S., implying that illegal immigrants don't qualify

  • He cited former Democratic Sen. Harry Reid in 1993, complaining that the U.S. offers a citizenship incentive for illegal immigrants to have babies here
He's kinda right on this, isn't he? Every word, phrase and term written into a law has meaning.

14th All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.

By my reading it states that when born here, it is in fact possible to not be subject to the jurisdiction thereof. It takes both being born here and being subject to the jurisdiction thereof. Otherwise, why write it that way?

Foreigners subject to some other nation are granted due process under a different part of the 14th. ....nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
That just means they can't just drive them back to the border when first picked up. Ie: they get a day in Court for them to plead their case as to why they entered outside a Port of entry. Same as would happen to any of us were we caught re-entering the country illegally.
 

SongSungAU

Midas Member
Midas Member
Joined
Jun 8, 2010
Messages
6,154
Likes
9,130
This is two days old but if anyone missed the gist of it, here's a summary:

Thread by @unseen1_unseen: "Thread on DOD/DHS press conference today dealing with securing the border. This is the DOD response. For border patrol response see previous […]"

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1057063629776928768.html
 

searcher

Mother Lode Found
Mother Lode
Sr Site Supporter
Joined
Mar 31, 2010
Messages
180,066
Likes
43,462
Trump says border troops could hit 15K, surprising Pentagon

By ZEKE MILLER and ROBERT BURNS, Associated Press
8 hrs ago

WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump said Wednesday that the number of military troops deployed to the U.S.-Mexican border could reach 15,000 — roughly double the number the Pentagon said it currently plans for a mission whose dimensions are shifting daily.

The Pentagon said "more than 7,000" troops were being sent to the Southwest border to support the Customs and Border Protection agents. Officials said that number could reach a maximum of about 8,000 under present plans.

The troop numbers have been changing at a dizzying pace, with Trump drawing a hard line on immigration in the lead-up to the midterm elections.

Just last week officials were indicating that about 800 to 1,000 might be sent. On Monday, officials announced that about 5,200 were being deployed. The next day, the Air Force general running the operation said more than the initially announced total were going, and he pointedly rejected a news report that it could reach 14,000, saying that was "not consistent with what's actually being planned."

Gen. Terrence O'Shaughnessy, the commander of U.S. Northern Command, told reporters the number would exceed the initial contingent of 5,200, but he offered no estimate of the eventual total.

Just 24 hours later, Trump thrust new uncertainty into the picture, catching the Pentagon by surprise.

With his eyes squarely on next Tuesday's contests, Trump has rushed a series of immigration declarations, promises and actions as he tries to mobilize supporters to retain Republican control of Congress. His own Republican campaign in 2016 concentrated on border fears, and that's his focus in the final week of the midterm fight.

"As far as the caravan is concerned, our military is out," Trump said. "We have about 5,800. We'll go up to anywhere between 10,000 and 15,000 military personnel on top of Border Patrol, ICE and everybody else at the border."

Later Wednesday, Trump told ABC News, "We have to have a wall of people."

His comments were the latest twist in a story that has pushed the Pentagon unhappily into the political space, prompting questions about whether Defense Secretary Jim Mattis was allowing the military to be leveraged as a political stunt.

"We don't do stunts," Mattis said Wednesday.

Trump rejected the idea he was "fearmongering" or using the issue for political purposes, but his escalating rhetoric in the waning days of the campaign season calls that denial into question. Trump has railed against illegal immigration, including several caravans of migrants from Central America slowly moving toward the U.S. border. The caravan of an estimated 4,000 people is still nearly 1,000 miles (1,600 kilometers) from the border. Several smaller groups, estimated at a combined 1,200 people, are farther away.

Trump insisted the media is underestimating the caravans. "You have caravans coming up that look a lot larger than it's reported actually. I'm pretty good at estimating crowd size. And I'll tell you they look a lot bigger than people would think," he told ABC.

He has also promised to end so-called catch-and-release policies by erecting tent cities to hold those crossing illegally. And this week he is asserting he could act by executive order to unilaterally end birthright citizenship for the children of non-U.S. citizens.

Trump's comments Wednesday left some in the Pentagon scratching their heads. Officials said they had no plans to deploy as many as 15,000 troops. The number conceivably could reach 10,000, counting the 2,100 National Guard soldiers who have been operating along the border for months as part of a separate but related mission. The number of active-duty troops tapped for deployment stood at 7,000 as of Wednesday but could reach 8,000.

A deployment of 15,000 would bring the military commitment on the border to roughly the same level as in war-torn Afghanistan. And it would more than double the number of people thought to be in the caravans.

Trump did not back down Wednesday from his controversial proposal to upend the very concept of American citizenship. In a morning tweet, he said the right to citizenship for babies born to non-citizens on American soil "will be ended one way or the other."

He also claimed that what he terms "so-called Birthright Citizenship" is "not covered by the 14th Amendment."

However, the text of the amendment's opening Citizenship Clause is this: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." The citizenship proposal would inevitably spark a long-shot legal battle over whether the president can alter the long-accepted understanding that the 14th Amendment grants citizenship to any child born on U.S. soil, regardless of his parents' immigration status.

Speaker of the House Paul Ryan asserted Tuesday that "obviously" Trump could not upend that policy by executive order, drawing a tweeted rebuke from Trump. He said Wednesday that Ryan "should be focusing on holding the Majority rather than giving his opinions on Birthright Citizenship, something he knows nothing about!"

Speaking to reporters before leaving the White House for a campaign rally in Florida, Trump compared his plan to act by executive order to President Barack Obama's much-maligned decision to use executive action to provide protections from prosecution and a path to work status for some people brought to the U.S. illegally as children.

"If he can do DACA, we can do this by executive order," Trump said, using the acronym for the Obama-era Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program. Trump and his Justice Department have argued that Obama action was unlawful.

Trump and many top aides have long seen the immigration issue as the most effective rallying cry for his base of supporters. The president had been expected to announce new actions at the border on Tuesday, but that was scrapped so he could travel instead to Pittsburgh, where 11 people were massacred Saturday in a synagogue during Sabbath services.

___

For AP's complete coverage of the U.S. midterm elections

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/tr...15k-surprising-pentagon/ar-BBP8Qke?ocid=ientp
 

searcher

Mother Lode Found
Mother Lode
Sr Site Supporter
Joined
Mar 31, 2010
Messages
180,066
Likes
43,462
Trump’s moves on immigration roil midterm campaign for both parties

Washington Post
Seung Min Kim
58 mins ago


President Trump’s vows to end birthright citizenship and dispatch a growing number of troops to the border have scrambled the final days of the midterm campaign for both parties — repelling moderate House Republicans in swing districts but prompting some red-state Senate Democrats to align themselves with Trump’s hard-line stances.

Those shifting alliances reflect how much Trump — while his party would like to focus on the economy and Democrats want the on spotlight health care — has dictated the rhetorical terms of the campaign. Trump on Wednesday launched a six-day, eight-state swing that will take him to conservative states as he seeks to retain GOP control of the Senate — with immigration sure to remain front and center.

Trump’s anti-immigration rhetoric propelled him to the GOP presidential nomination and the White House in 2016, and he is counting on similarly inflammatory words and images to help the GOP hold its congressional majorities.

Subscribe to the Post Most newsletter: Today’s most popular stories on The Washington Post

The president tweeted a video Wednesday that featured Luis Bracamontes, a Mexican immigrant in the United States illegally who was sentenced to death this year after he was convicted of killing two police officers in California — using the image to make the demand: “Vote Republican now!”

Before taking off for a campaign swing to Fort Myers, Fla., Trump also floated the idea of deploying as many as 15,000 troops to the border — just days after the Pentagon said it would send about 5,200 active-duty troops there, in addition to the 2,000 National Guard members already present. He also claimed without evidence that the population of immigrants in the country illegally could be as large as 25 million or 30 million. The nonpartisan Migration Policy Institute puts the estimated size of the undocumented population at 11.3 million.

Trump also dismissed suggestions that he was fearmongering with his increasingly aggressive immigration rhetoric, such as his frequent references to a caravan of migrants heading north, including many destitute families, that is still hundreds of miles south of the U.S.-Mexico border.

“Oh they’ll be here fast. They’re trying to get up any way they can,” Trump told reporters shortly before leaving for the first of his 11 campaign rallies through Election Day. “We’re going to be prepared. They’re not coming into our country.”

At the rally, Trump told the crowd that “we’re getting prepared for the caravan, folks.”

“You don’t have to worry about that,” he said. Providing no evidence, Trump continued: “They’ve got a lot of rough people in that caravan. They are not angels.”

Trump’s legally questionable call to revoke birthright citizenship through a unilateral executive order has drawn opposition from House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) — prompting a presidential rebuke Wednesday, delivered via Twitter — as well as rejections from House Republicans in competitive reelection contests, such as Reps. Mike Coffman (R-Colo.) and Carlos Curbelo (R-Fla.).

But another Republican candidate in a closely contested House race, Maria Elvira Salazar, said Wednesday that the clause of the 14th Amendment that provides the constitutional underpinning for birthright citizenship “needs to be reviewed,” according to the Miami Herald.

“I think the president is saying what I think my community shares, the fact that we do not want abuses,” said Salazar, who is running for election in the district that is being vacated by retiring congresswoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Fla.) — and that Democrat Hillary Clinton won in 2016 by 19 percentage points. “The Constitution says very clearly that those that are born here are citizens, but we need to see to what extent.”

On the Democratic side, Sen. Joe Donnelly (D-Ind.), a moderate running for reelection in a conservative state, appeared to leave the door open to legislation that would end birthright citizenship, the concept that nearly anyone born on American soil is automatically a citizen of the United States.

“We have to take a look at that legislation,” Donnelly said during a debate Tuesday evening about a bill that would revoke the right, adding, “I’d want to see that legislation and make sure it was constitutional and review it first.”

Asked about those comments Wednesday, Donnelly’s campaign released a statement from the senator saying the 14th Amendment is “clear” — and “what’s also clear is that our immigration system is broken.”

“As I have done in the past, I will work with both parties to find a solution that secures our borders and fixes our broken immigration laws,” Donnelly said.

But Donnelly is far from the lone Democratic Senate candidate in recent days to adopt immigration stances that seem almost Trumpian in nature.

In an interview with Fox News on Monday, Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) urged Trump to “use every tool he has at his disposal” to halt the caravan of migrants traveling north to the United States, adding, “I 100 percent back him up on that.”

Calling for a speedier process for migrants seeking asylum, McCaskill said, “I do not want our borders overrun, and I support the president’s efforts to make sure they’re not.”

And in Tennessee, Democrat Phil Bredesen released an ad Tuesday that promoted his decision as governor more than a decade ago to deploy 1,600 members of the Tennessee National Guard to the southern border. That ad was accompanied by an op-ed in the Tennessean that warned both parties against using the caravan issue to “inflame passions” over the sensitive topic.

“Actions speak louder than words,” the ad says. “In 2006, when the president said he needed help to secure the border, Tennessee Governor Phil Bredesen didn’t wait to be asked. And he didn’t play any politics.”

Immigration has become an increasingly central issue for the GOP in other closely watched Senate races. A CNN poll released Wednesday showed that immigration is now the top issue for Republican voters in Nevada and Arizona, with 42 percent of Republicans in Nevada now saying immigration is the most important issue in their Senate vote, while 50 percent in Arizona say the same.

In Tennessee, immigration has risen to the second-most-important issue for voters there in internal Republican polling, according to one official with knowledge of the numbers.

“I’m not surprised to see the scramble [among Democrats]. I think at this stage, it’s a little inauthentic,” said GOP strategist Josh Holmes, a former chief of staff to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.). Immigration “has a significant resonance within the base of the Republican Party, but it has more independent pull than one would think.”

The contrast between the parties has become sharper this year, Holmes added, particularly as leading Democratic politicians increasingly embraced liberal positions on immigration, such as abolishing the federal agency that enforces U.S. immigration laws.

Tyler Moran, the director of the Immigration Hub, which advises a wide range of progressive organizations on immigration policy, said that the moderates taking a more conservative tack on immigration were the outliers and that congressional and gubernatorial candidates nationwide were largely “rejecting Trump’s strategy of lies and division.”

“First of all, every single one of those Democrats voted for immigration reform,” said Moran, who worked on immigration issues under then-Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) and in the Obama White House. “Yes, in their tough races, I wouldn’t agree with the way they’re approaching this. But we have a big-tent approach to immigration.”

Democratic officials also said that moderates in closely watched Senate races this fall have long touted their border-security bona fides — far before Trump amped up his focus on the issue as part of his closing argument in the midterms.

“Among Republicans, we’ve certainly seen that immigration more regularly tops the list of issues,” said Lauren Passalacqua, the communications director at the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee. “But I think what we have seen that is consistent is that among independents, obviously Democrats but even among Republicans, the Venn diagram is still health care.”

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...mpaign-for-both-parties/ar-BBPbRss?ocid=ientp
 

TRYNEIN

Gold Member
Gold Chaser
Joined
Sep 16, 2012
Messages
5,609
Likes
22,379
Location
third cove on the right
Caravan's plea for buses is DENIED: Migrants must walk the remaining 900 miles to nearest US...

FULL TITLE: Caravan's plea for buses is DENIED: Migrants must walk the remaining 900 miles to nearest US border as Mexico ignores demand for transport

Exhausted men, women and children traveling in the largest of the four caravans headed to the US resumed their journey on foot before dawn Thursday after Mexican authorities refused to provide them with buses.

The migrants planned to take advantage of cool overnight and morning temperatures by hitting the road at 3am in Juchitan for a trek to the town of Matias Romero en route to the Gulf coast city of Veracruz, which is a common transit route toward the nearest Mexico-US border crossing in McAllen, Texas.

Organizers previously said their destination was Santa Maria Jalape del Marques in Oaxaca state, but they have decided to change the planned route.

The migrants will have to walk nearly 40 miles from Juchitan to Matias Romero, and from there it's another 445 miles to Veracruz.

The participants of the 4,000-strong caravan have not said what route they intend to take northward or where on the US border they planned to reach, and Juchitan, still about 900 miles from US soil, was something of a crossroads.

Choosing Jalapa del Marques as the next stop appeared to indicate they are opting to travel via Oaxaca state's eponymous capital instead of turning north toward the Gulf coast state of Veracruz, which is a common transit route toward McAllen, Texas.

On Wednesday evening it became clear that Mexican officials were not acceding to the caravan's demand that dozens of buses be provided to whisk the migrants to Mexico City.

'The attempt to travel by bus failed,' caravan coordinator Walter Cuello acknowledged.


(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
 

searcher

Mother Lode Found
Mother Lode
Sr Site Supporter
Joined
Mar 31, 2010
Messages
180,066
Likes
43,462
Trump’s Falsehood-Laden Speech on Immigration

NYT
By LINDA QIU
4 hrs ago



What Trump said:

“We’re not letting them into our country. And then they never show up, almost, it’s like a level of 3 percent. They never show up for the trial. So by the time their trial comes, they’re gone, nobody knows where they are.”

False.

President Trump was referring to the rate that migrants show up to immigration court proceedings after being apprehended and released into the United States. Data from the Justice Department shows that most immigrants do, in fact, show up to their court hearings.

In the 2017 fiscal year, about 28 percent of immigrants failed to attend their court hearings — not the 97 percent Mr. Trump estimated.

Sign Up For the Morning Briefing Newsletter

Among asylum seekers, only 11 percent did not show up for legal proceedings. Of the asylum seekers who participated in a pilot program tested as an alternative to detention, 99 percent attended Immigration and Custom Enforcement check-ins and appointments. And 100 percent turned up for court hearings.

The Trump administration ended the pilot program last June.

What Trump said:

“We can’t get any Democrat votes to change them. It’s only the Republicans that are in unison they want to change them. They want to make strong borders.”

This is misleading

Citing immigration laws that he said “are so bad,” Mr. Trump accused Democrats of causing overhaul legislation to fizzle in Congress. Left unsaid was that disarray among the Republican Party partly contributed to the bills’ demise.

In February, after Mr. Trump moved to rescind protections for the young immigrants known as Dreamers, the Senate rejected three immigration proposals. Fourteen Republican senators voted against the one that was backed by the White House; it received the least support from the president’s own party than any of the three.

After a public outcry over the Trump administration’s zero-tolerance immigration policy that resulted in migrant children being separated from their families after crossing the border, the House rejected a hard-line immigration bill in June that was backed by the White House. Forty-one Republicans voted against it.

What Trump said:

“Nearly 100 percent of heroin in the United States enters through the southern border. Think of that, 100 percent almost of heroin comes in through the southern border, along with roughly 90 percent of cocaine and the majority of meth and a substantial portion of the ultralethal fentanyl killing our youth.”

This requires context.

Mr. Trump is right that most heroin smuggled into the United States enters through the southwest border, according to the Drug Enforcement Administration’s latest National Drug Assessment report.

Most fentanyl enters the United States from packages mailed directly from China, or through Canada from China, according to the report. Though “large volumes” of fentanyl are also smuggled through the southwest border, it tends to be less potent — and costs less — than the packages directly from China.

“We are miserably losing this fight to prevent fentanyl from entering our country and killing our citizens,” the president’s opioids commission reported last November. “We are losing this fight predominately through China.”

The drug agency also noted that the “most common method” of drug smuggling used by criminal organizations is by driving through official American ports of entry — not a migrant caravan of people on foot.

In some of those vehicles, the drugs are kept in concealed compartments; in others, they are mixed among legal goods on tractor-trailers. Smugglers also use tunnels, passenger trains and buses, drug mules and even drones and other aircraft.

What Trump said:

“The Democrat Party’s vision is to offer them free health care, free welfare, free education and even the right to vote.”

This is misleading.

Legal immigrants to the United States can receive some public benefits and have a pathway to citizenship and the right to vote. But that is a matter of law — not merely the political platform or policies of the Democratic Party.

Migrants who are granted asylum are eligible for the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, Medicaid and the Supplemental Security Income program. They are also eligible for the cash assistance program known as Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, according to the Congressional Research Service.

Undocumented immigrants are not eligible for most public programs and cannot vote. While a 2013 Senate bill to overhaul the immigration system would have allowed undocumented immigrants who had arrived in the United States before December 2011 to apply for citizenship, the House never voted on the legislation. Mr. Trump’s own “four pillars” for immigration reform also included a pathway to citizenship for Dreamers.

What Trump said:

“Nobody talks about that, but under President Obama, they separated children from the parents.”

This is misleading.

As The New York Times has reported, previous presidential administrations did break up families — but did so rarely, according to former officials and immigration experts. The Trump administration, by contrast, has knowingly enacted the practice that some officials have characterized as a deterrence against illegal entry.

What Trump said:

“And once that control is set and standardized and made very strong, including the building of the wall, which we’ve already started. $1.6 billion spent last year, $1.6 billion this year. We have another $1.6 that will be coming, but we want to build it at one time.”

This is misleading.

A spending bill signed by Mr. Trump in March allotted $1.6 billion for projects to replace old barriers along the border with new ones. But that bill did not allow spending funds on a new border wall.

Mr. Trump signed another spending bill in late September, which did not include any money for his border wall — a fact he seemed aware of, given his criticisms over the lack of funding.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/factc...n-speech-on-immigration/ar-BBPeHCR?ocid=ientp
 

searcher

Mother Lode Found
Mother Lode
Sr Site Supporter
Joined
Mar 31, 2010
Messages
180,066
Likes
43,462
First 100 troops arrive at US-Mexico border to meet the caravan after Trump orders them to SHOOT migrants before telling Missouri rally 'these are not angels and we are not letting them in'

  • Some 7,000 military members will arrive at the border through the weekend
  • Trump issued a dire to would-be immigrants with the caravan saying that the troops would return fire if rocks are thrown at them
  • The 4,000-strong caravan will depart from Matias Romero, Mexico, early Friday and make its way toward Veracruz, stopping in Donaji or Sayula de Aleman
  • Federal police in Mexico have done little to stop the caravan headed for the US
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-caravan-Trump-approves-use-deadly-force.html
 

searcher

Mother Lode Found
Mother Lode
Sr Site Supporter
Joined
Mar 31, 2010
Messages
180,066
Likes
43,462
Trump says troops will not fire on migrant caravan

Reuters
1 hr ago


WASHINGTON - U.S. President Donald Trump said on Friday that illegal immigrants who throw rocks at the military would be arrested, but not fired upon by troops.

He made the remarks to reporters one day after he suggested the military could fire on members of a migrant caravan if they throw rocks at troops.

They won't have to fire. What I don't want is I don't want these people throwing rocks," Trump told reporters outside the White House.

"If they do that with us, they're going to be arrested for a long time," Trump added.

Trump has hardened his stance on immigration, and specifically against the caravan of migrants, ahead of next week's congressional elections, in which Trump's Republican Party seeks to maintain control of both chambers.

On Monday the Pentagon said it had deployed more than 5,200 troops to the border after Trump said on Twitter he was sending the military to face off against the migrant caravan, a group of men, women and children traveling through Mexico as they flee violence and poverty in Central America.

Trump said on Wednesday the United States could send as many as 15,000 troops to the border, more than are in Afghanistan.

On Thursday, Trump said his administration was finalizing a plan to require asylum seekers to enter the country through legal ports of entry, although it remained unclear whether such a limitation would be legally possible.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...fire-on-migrant-caravan/ar-BBPgU4P?ocid=ientp
 

searcher

Mother Lode Found
Mother Lode
Sr Site Supporter
Joined
Mar 31, 2010
Messages
180,066
Likes
43,462
Army assessment of migrant caravans undermines Trump’s rhetoric

Washington Post
Nick Miroff, Missy Ryan
2 hrs ago


Military planners anticipate that only a small percentage of Central American migrants traveling in the caravans President Trump characterizes as “an invasion” will reach the U.S. border, even as a force of more than 7,000 active-duty troops mobilizes to prevent them from entering the United States.

According to military planning documents, about 20 percent of the roughly 7,000 migrants traveling through Mexico are likely to complete the journey. The unclassified report was obtained and published by Newsweek on Thursday. If the military’s assessment is accurate, it would mean the United States is positioning five soldiers on the border for every one caravan member expected to arrive there.

Subscribe to the Post Most newsletter: Today’s most popular stories on The Washington Post

“Based on historic trends, it is assessed that only a small percentage of the migrants will likely reach the border,” the report says. It was prepared by U.S. Army North, a component of U.S. Northern Command, which oversees the mission dubbed Operation Faithful Patriot.

The assessment also indicates military planners are concerned about the presence of “unregulated armed militia” groups showing up at the border in areas where U.S. troops will operate.

The Washington Post was unable to independently confirm the report’s authenticity. Reached Friday, military officials did not dispute its veracity but declined to address questions about its contents.

Seizing on immigration as his main campaign theme ahead of Tuesday’s midterm elections, Trump has depicted the caravans — at least four have formed, though they remain hundreds of miles away — as a grave danger to U.S. national security, claiming they are composed of “unknown Middle Easterners,” hardened criminals and “very tough fighters.” He also insists the number of migrants heading north is much larger than estimates put forward by U.S. and Mexican government officials.

The military assessment does not support any of those claims.

The report, dated Oct. 27, notes that caravan members areunlikely to arrive for at least two to four weeks.

Among those traveling are “limited #s of Bangladeshi, Haitian and African individuals,” it reads. It makes no mention of Middle Eastern countries.

In the military planners’ most likely scenario, the caravans will continue to dwindle in size as they move north with “no terrorist infiltration,” potentially causing a “balloon effect” on smuggling activity as traffickers attempt to exploit the diversion created by Trump’s focus on the migrants.

In its “most dangerous” assessment, the caravan would “grow markedly” and become exploited by terrorists and traffickers, leading to increasing “cross border engagements.” The assessment does not assign a numerical probability to those scenarios.

Trump said this week he wants to send as many as 15,000 troops to the border to prepare for the caravans. The deployment appears to be the largest such peacetime mobilization of active-duty U.S. troops at the border in at least a century.

High on the list of potential dangers facing U.S. personnel, according to the military’s assessment, is the presence of “unregulated militia members self-deploying to the border in alleged support” to U.S. Customs and Border Protection.

It estimates 200 militia members could show up while troops are in the area.

“They operate under the guise of citizen patrols,” the report reads, warning of “incidents of unregulated militias stealing National Guard equipment during deployments.”

The assessment does not go into further detail about those incidents, but Border Patrol officials have also warned landowners in the area about the possibility of gun-carrying militias on their property in the coming weeks.

Protesters and “anarchists” arriving along the border also pose a risk, according to the report. “Previous protests in support of immigration caravans or enforcement of immigration law have occurred throughout the U.S.,” it says. “Normally peaceful unless extreme right or left groups attend.”

nick.miroff@washpost.com

missy.ryan@washpost.com

Dan Lamothe contributed to this report.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ar...rmines-trump’s-rhetoric/ar-BBPhoPf?ocid=ientp
 

searcher

Mother Lode Found
Mother Lode
Sr Site Supporter
Joined
Mar 31, 2010
Messages
180,066
Likes
43,462
Trump Vs. the 14th Amendment: How the Constitutional provision at the center of the president's legal battle to end birth right citizenship was born out of the death of slavery - and hasn't been tested by the courts for 120 years

  • Trump said this week that he will continue in his quest to end birth right citizenship for children of immigrants who entered the country illegally
  • Trump said he plans to issue an executive order that would end the practice
  • A majority of Constitutional scholars question his authority to do so, saying the 14th Amendment guarantees anyone born on U.S. soil will be granted citizenship
  • Trump supporters say that a key phrase in the amendment leaves a loophole allowing for the argument that birth right citizenship only applies to people who owe an allegiance to the U.S. (for example, green card holders and citizens)
  • The 14th Amendment was adopted July 9, 1868 following the American Civil War to address whether or not freed black slaves were citizens of the United States
  • The Supreme Court has upheld birth right citizenship for legal aliens but never tested the issue when applied to immigrants who are in the country illegally
  • If Trump follows through, it would almost certainly face major legal challenges
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-end-birth-right-citizenship-tested-1898.html
 

searcher

Mother Lode Found
Mother Lode
Sr Site Supporter
Joined
Mar 31, 2010
Messages
180,066
Likes
43,462

FWIW...…………..

'I didn't say shoot!' Trump says he never meant for the military to open fire on the migrant caravan 'invasion' but rock-throwers will 'be arrested for a long time'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...eant-military-open-fire-caravan-invasion.html

The Pentagon rejected request for US troops to assist other law enforcement officials at the US-Mexico border where migrants are seeking to gain asylum
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...oops-perform-crowd-control-Mexico-border.html

Not sure what they're going to really do but I think it's mostly going to be supporting activities.
 

Joe King

Gold Member
Gold Chaser
Site Supporter
Joined
Mar 31, 2010
Messages
7,416
Likes
7,687
Location
Instant Gratification Land
Not sure what they're going to really do but I think it's mostly going to be supporting activities.
I'm pretty sure that's what they'll be doing. ICE has about 20,000 employees. That sounds like a lot, but they're spread out in many locations and it's not as though they can all just drop everything and head to the border. Stuff still needs to be done where they are. I could be wrong, but I'm thinkin' they'll (troops) will be doing support in order to free up as many border patrol/ICE people for hands-on enforcement as possible.
 

searcher

Mother Lode Found
Mother Lode
Sr Site Supporter
Joined
Mar 31, 2010
Messages
180,066
Likes
43,462
Remember the case when the border patrol cop shot some rock throwing Mexican kid at the border?

Border Patrol Agent Retrial In Rocks Versus Gun Shooting - LEO Round Table episode 701
LEO Round Table


Published on Nov 2, 2018
01:17 Border Patrol agent retried in rocks vs gun fatal shooting
07:20 Border Patrol agent indicted for trafficking cocaine on-duty

LEO Round Table (law enforcement talk show)

Episode 701 filmed on 10/29/2018

Chip DeBlock (Host)
Kevin Bouis (Attorney)
David D'Agresta (retired Corporal)
John Newman (retired Assistant Chief)
Rick Ubinas ( active Lieutenant)

Schedule:
1 hour LIVE show every Monday at 7 pm EST
Episodes uploaded to YouTube Tue - Sun at approx. 4 pm EST

Syndication:
Good Talk Radio on the Cutting Edge Radio Network
(Download the LIVE365 app and listen to us on Good Talk Radio Thursdays at 7pm EST)

Topic 1 concerns Border Patrol Agent Lonnie Swartz who is being retried on manslaughter charges in the cross-border fatal shooting of 16-year-old Mexican Jose Antonio Elena Rodriguez. Rodriguez is suspected of being one of two drug mules who started throwing rocks at border patrol agents and hitting them. Assistant U.S. Attorney Wallace Kleindienst and U.S. District Judge Raner Collins are referenced in the story.

https://www.policeone.com/border-patr...

Topic 2 concerns indicted Border Patrol Agent Ramon Antonio Monreal Rodriguez who is accused of paying drug smugglers $650,000 for cocaine while on-duty.

https://www.policeone.com/border-patr...
 

Joe King

Gold Member
Gold Chaser
Site Supporter
Joined
Mar 31, 2010
Messages
7,416
Likes
7,687
Location
Instant Gratification Land
Remember the case when the border patrol cop shot some rock throwing Mexican kid at the border?
So what are they supposed to do in that situation? Run away and leave the drug mules to do their thing? Is that the proper response? That's certainly what the drug mules would have wanted.
They were being hit with rocks. A thrown rock can be a deadly thing if it hits ya in the head. Or should Mexicans be permitted to throw rocks at people on our side of the border?
 

searcher

Mother Lode Found
Mother Lode
Sr Site Supporter
Joined
Mar 31, 2010
Messages
180,066
Likes
43,462
So what are they supposed to do in that situation? Run away and leave the drug mules to do their thing? Is that the proper response?
Damned if I know.