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Can someone explain to me why the wall has to be tied to DACA? The Federal government already has the authority to secure our borders as it sees fit. Just allocate some money from border patrol to the wall. Even if a few aliens sneak in in the short term, the costs of securing the border in the long run will drop drastically. This all seems like a major dog and pony show to me.
 

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Can someone explain to me why the wall has to be tied to DACA? The Federal government already has the authority to secure our borders as it sees fit. Just allocate some money from border patrol to the wall. Even if a few aliens sneak in in the short term, the costs of securing the border in the long run will drop drastically. This all seems like a major dog and pony show to me.
Could be wrong but I think certain things Trump has done or wants to do are driven by Trump's desire to avenge Obama making him look stupid several years ago.

When Trump was running for prez he talked about a great big beautiful wall that Mexico would pay for. That was horse shit and he knew it. But he also knew it would sound good and go over big with jsp........especially the ones who were hurting.

Once in office the prez of Mexico told Trump to get bent which was to be expected.

After that Trump told congress and the senate he needed 18 billion for his wall. Now it's up to 25 billion plus another 5 billion for a few extras. He probably knows that isn't going to fly and could be chomping at the bit to use it as an excuse to deport the dreamers.

Here's a vid of Obama insulting Trump:


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Trump wanted to 'smack us on the head' by inviting us to the White House and launching crackdown on sanctuary cities says top Democratic mayor
  • New Orleans Mayor Mitch Landrieu again criticized President Trump for trying to use the nation's mayors as 'political props'
  • Landrieu was among the mayors who skipped a White House event Wednesday over a Justice Department announcement
  • The DOJ demanded documents from 23 so-called 'sancutary' municipalities, threatening subpeonas if the government's request wasn't granted


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Get ICE out of N.Y.’s courtrooms

BY Nancy Morawetz Lindsay Nash
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Thursday, January 25, 2018, 5:00 AM

New York’s top prosecutors, public defenders and advocates are rightly speaking out against a pernicious Trump administration policy that encourages Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers to roam the halls of state courthouses with the goal of targeting and arresting immigrants attending to official court business.

As documented by the Immigrant Defense Project, there was a 1,100% increase in incidence of ICE courthouse arrests in New York in 2017 from the previous year.

Immigrants are now afraid to attend court in any capacity — as defendants, plaintiffs, witnesses, victims or supportive family members. This impedes justice.

New York is not helpless in the face of President Trump’s Draconian immigration enforcement machine. We believe that courthouse arrests are not only bad policy — they are also unconstitutional. Therefore, we urge the state’s top judicial official, Chief Judge Janet DiFiore, and the Office of Court Administration she leads to immediately adopt rules to restrict these civil arrests in New York’s courthouses.

“Everyone, regardless of their immigration status or the status of their loved ones, should have access to equal justice under the law,” state Attorney General Eric Schneiderman said in speaking out against courthouse arrests.

It’s not a platitude. The principle that equal justice requires access to court dates back to 18th century common law, which barred civil arrests for people attending court. In more recent iterations, the Supreme Court has recognized that the Constitution requires that “access to the courts is adequate, effective and meaningful.”

ICE’s policy of intimidation in effect closes the courthouse doors to immigrants. This not only tramples their rights — the Constitution isn’t only for citizens — but also infringes on the rights of people who may require immigrant witnesses in court to effectively present their cases.

Federal immigration enforcement officials claim that courthouse arrests are necessary for safety and efficiency, but this reflects a shortsighted view of what public safety means. The reality is that when immigrants are afraid to show up in court, our city becomes less safe.

New York City is home to 3.3 million immigrants, who, even if they have legal status, may fear the presence of ICE officers.

Our courts cannot function when 40% of our population believes that if they show up, they may suddenly be dragged off in handcuffs to face unrelated deportation proceedings.

New York must no longer let its justice system be used as a hunting ground. State courts throughout the nation, including in New York, routinely implement rules to ensure order and access to justice for litigants and witnesses. New York should implement rules like those proposed by the Immigrant Defense Project and others, which would flatly prohibit civil arrests in the courthouse unless the arresting officer has a judicial warrant or order, and prevent court resources from being used to assist ICE.

Rules like these are important, timely uses of courts’ longstanding authority to regulate judicial spaces. While the public nature of the courthouses is often held as sacrosanct, this has never meant that those who visit them are free from regulation. On the contrary, the New York State Court of Appeals has repeatedly recognized “the inherent power of the court to preserve order and decorum in the courtroom, to protect the rights of parties and witnesses, and generally to further the administration of justice.”

New York courts have accordingly upheld rules restricting the courthouse presence of bail bondsmen, the press and even the general public when necessary to prevent interference with proceedings and prejudice to litigants. The disruption and chilling effect of courthouse arrests surely meets the same standard.

The fact that a rule restricting civil arrests in courthouses would regulate a law enforcement agency, and a federal one at that, does nothing to diminish New York courts’ authority in this respect. In fact, many courts have adopted rules, such as restrictions on carrying firearms, that regulate law enforcement officers’ conduct within courthouses.

As long as ICE threatens the sanctity of our state courthouses, New York has an obligation to push back — to ensure meaningful access to justice for all those who may have concerns about their immigration status, but rely on our courts to vindicate their rights to protection, child custody, housing and a fair defense in criminal proceedings.

Ultimately, New York not only has the authority to prevent this threat to the administration of justice in its courts, it has a duty to do so for the many New Yorkers who depend on them.

Morawetz is a professor of clinical law at NYU School of Law. Nash is a visiting assistant clinical professor of law at Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law.

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Trump Immigration Plan Demands Tough Concessions From Democrats

By MICHAEL D. SHEAR and SHERYL GAY STOLBERG
JAN. 25, 2018

WASHINGTON — President Trump proposed legislation on Thursday that would provide a path to citizenship for as many as 1.8 million young, undocumented immigrants in exchange for an end to decades of family-based migration policies, a massive border wall and a vast crackdown on other illegal immigrants already living in the country.

Describing the plan as “extremely generous” but a take-it-or-leave-it proposal by the president, White House officials said they hoped it will be embraced by conservatives and centrists in Congress as the first step in an even broader effort to fix the nation’s broken immigration system.

But the plan — drafted by Stephen Miller, the president’s hard-line domestic policy adviser and John F. Kelly, the White House chief of staff — was immediately rejected by Democrats, pro-immigration activists and some Republicans, with some describing it as nothing but an attempt to rid the country of immigrants and close the nation’s borders.

Republican and Democratic senators are working on a narrower immigration plan of their own, hoping that if it can pass the Senate with a strong, bipartisan majority, it would be Mr. Trump who would have the take-it-or-leave-it decision.

“We will oppose it. Most if not all Democrats will oppose it. Some Republicans will, too,” said Frank Sharry, the executive director of America’s Voice, a pro-immigration group. “We are not going to allow Stephen Miller to exploit a crisis that he and his boss created to take a wrecking ball to the Statue of Liberty and enact his nativist wish list.”

Eddie Vale, a Democratic consultant working with a coalition of immigration groups, described the president’s proposal as an effort to sabotage bipartisan talks and win passage of “a white supremacist wish list.”

Anti-immigration activists also assailed the plan, though for the opposite reason. The Breitbart.com website greeted word of the president’s plan with the headline: “Amnesty Don Suggests Citizenship for Illegal Aliens.”

Under Mr. Trump’s plan, described to reporters by senior White House officials, young immigrants who were brought into the United States as children, would be granted legal status, allowed to work legally, and could become citizens over a 10-to-12 year period if they remain out of trouble with the law.

Officials said that would include about 690,000 people who signed up for protection under an Obama-era program, known as Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, but also for another 1.1 million undocumented immigrants who would have qualified for the program but never applied. Mr. Trump ended the DACA program last September.

In exchange, Congress would have to create a $25 billion trust fund to pay for a southern border wall, dramatically boost immigration arrests, speed up deportations, crack down on people who overstay their visas, prevent citizens from bringing their parents to the United States, and end a State Department program designed to encourage migration from underrepresented countries.

White House officials said that the list of enhanced security measures — which have been on anti-immigration wish lists for decades — were nonnegotiable parts of their plan. They warned that if no deal is reached, young DACA recipients will face deportation when the program fully expires on March 5.

One senior official said they will not be targeted, but are “illegal immigrants” who will be processed for deportation if they come into contact with immigration officers.

Officials said the president’s decision to formally present a plan to Congress was a direct response to members of Congress, including Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the majority leader, who had complained that they did not know where the president stood in the immigration debate.

“We’re basically signaling that this is the bill the president can sign,” one senior official said during the briefing.

The president’s legislative proposal is designed to exert maximum pressure on Democrats, who are desperate to protect the young immigrants, known as Dreamers, but who fiercely oppose the conservative immigration policies embraced by hard-line, anti-immigration activists like Mr. Miller, the president’s top domestic policy adviser in the White House.

The strategy would work only if the Senate fails to reach a broad, bipartisan accord on an alternative: legislation that would protect the Dreamers, bolster border security, but reject the most draconian aspects of the White House’s proposal.

“This is a negotiation,” said Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina. “I welcome White House input.”

Mr. Trump hinted at the proposal to come on Wednesday evening in impromptu comments suggesting that he was open to allowing some of the young immigrants to become citizens in 10 to 12 years. But his comments were quickly followed on Thursday morning by a White House email warning of a flood of immigrants into the country and demanding an end to policies that allow families to sponsor the immigration of their immediate relatives.

And even as Mr. Trump was offering reassuring words to the Dreamers — “tell them not to worry,” he told reporters Wednesday evening — senior White House officials were emphasizing the more hard-line features of their forthcoming immigration proposal.

In September, Mr. Trump ended the DACA program and set it to expire at the beginning of March, when recipients would no longer be able to work legally in the United States and would once again face the threat of deportation.

Democratic lawmakers and activists say they will refuse to accept any proposal that requires them to forsake the well-being of other immigrants, including the parents of the Dreamers, to secure the fate of the young immigrants themselves.

On Thursday, a bipartisan group of senators calling itself the Common Sense Coalition gathered in the office of Senator Susan Collins, Republican of Maine, to discuss the immigration issue. At issue is the scope of the bill. Some senators want to draft a narrow bill that bolsters border security and codifies protections now extended to DACA recipients, which do not include a path to citizenship. Others say the legislation should take Mr. Trump up on his offer of citizenship, but to do that, lawmakers might have to take the rest of the White House’s deal.

“Do we simply codify what DACA is and extend it out over a period of time, or do we try to go farther than that as the president is suggesting?” asked Senator Mike Rounds, Republican of South Dakota. “If you do that you have to address the issue of chain migration, and that’s where it becomes a lot more complicated.”

Many senators indicated little appetite for the more hard-line approach.

“If you start putting all these highly charged toxic issues, it’s just not going to work,” said Senator Bill Nelson, Democrat of Florida.

But hard-liners, apparently led by Senator John Cornyn of Texas, the No. 2 Republican in the Senate, say the White House’s strategy needs to be considered — and that means four elements: Dreamers, border security and a wall, chain migration and an end to the diversity visa lottery.

“Everybody wants to alter reality in a way that sort of suits their needs,” Mr. Cornyn said. “But the reality is the president said there has to be four pillars. People just need to accept that and deal with it.”

Activists are betting that some moderate Republicans will not support the president’s more conservative ideas, helping to stiffen the spines of Democratic lawmakers by making the opposition to the president’s proposal bipartisan.

Senators Richard J. Durbin, Democrat of Illinois, and Mr. Graham have been leading bipartisan talks on immigration. Their initial proposal — which did not include the president’s nativist proposals — was rejected by Mr. Trump during a White House meeting in which the president used vulgarities to describe Haitians and Africans.

On Wednesday night, Mr. Graham held a meeting with a far larger group of about 30 senators. They decided that Mr. Durbin, the No. 2 Democrat in the Senate, and Mr. Cornyn would each function as a clearinghouse for ideas on immigration from their respective parties.

“We’ve got more people in the room, which is good,” Mr. Graham said. “We’re getting more input. We’ve just got to turn it into more output.”

The so-called Twos — the No. 2 Democrats and Republicans from the House and Senate — have also been meeting, although their talks are stalled because the House is in recess this week.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/25/us/politics/trump-immigration-plan-white-house.html
 

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Will GOP Trade Amnesty for National ID?
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Republican leaders in Congress appear willing to grant amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants in exchange for Democrat support for forcing national biometric ID cards on all Americans.

Contact Congress in opposition to the DACA amnesty & national ID bill:

https://www.votervoice.net/JBS/campai...
 

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Instead, they ran into a buzz saw of angry and coarse opposition from the president, reinforced by the surprise presence of hard-line opponents of immigration overhaul from the House and Senate.
Stuffed shirts who are so full of themselves meet street fighter Trump. What did they expect, tea and crumpets?
 

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Trump To Give Path To Citizenship For 1.8 Million Dreamers In Exchange For Wall Funding

In an attempt to break the ongoing deadlock over government funding and immigration reform, President Trump will sign an immigration plan into law that would allow as many as 1.8 million undocumented immigrants brought into the US as children to seek a pathway to citizenship, in exchange for billions of dollars for Trump’s border wall and sweeping changes to the legal immigration system, senior administration officials said Thursday.

The proposal would double the number of people covered by current protections from deportation.

According to Bloomberg, the White House will cast the plan as a concession to Democrats as they seek to ensconce GOP immigration policies. Meanwhile, to appease his core base, Trump will ask Congress for a $25 billion trust fund to pay for construction of a southern border all as well as enhanced security at ports of entry and along U.S.-Canada border. [more]
 

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'Amnesty Don' comes under fire from right-wing allies for offering path to citizenship to 1.8 MILLION 'Dreamers' - more than twice the number Obama protected under DACA - as he pushes for $25 billion to build his border wall
  • President Trump's allies are turning on him for offering a pathway to citizenship for more than 1.8million Dreamers
  • That number is more than 1 million higher than the total of young illegal immigrants protected by Barack Obama's DACA program
  • Right-wing news website Breitbart branded the president 'Amnesty Don' for making the offer
  • Trump expects $25 billion in guaranteed funding for his U.S.-Mexico border wall as part of the deal


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Trump's amnesty for 1.8 million Dreamers causes storm on the right - and Democrats hate it too - but president says it will be 'Cryin’ Chuck' Schumer's fault if it doesn't go through
  • President Donald Trump's immigration compromise will expand protections for so-called DREAMers to include citizenship options for 1.8 million of them
  • That number is more than 1 million higher than the total of young illegal immigrants protected by Barack Obama's DACA program
  • The dramatic concession to Democrats will extend the nation's broad arms around everyone who was eligible for DACA but didn't apply
  • Trump wants $25 billion in congressional funding for his border wall and other border security enhancements
  • Trump aides say the funding is non-negotiable, and 'he's not about to bend on the wall, and that's going to take a multi-year appropriation from Congress'


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At least two dozen DREAMers will attend State of the Union address as Trump's proposal to put DACA recipients on a path to citizenship takes center stage
  • Donald Trump will deliver his first State of the Union address Tuesday night
  • It's tradition for members of Congress to invite 'themed' guests as +1s
  • This year at least 23 Democrats and 1 Republican will attend with DREAMers
  • Trump immigration proposal would give 1.8 million of them a path to citizenship
  • Democrats say it comes at too high a cost: $25 billion for a border wall and an end to unlimited extended-family visa sponsorships


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'Deport them all': Sheriff turned Senate candidate Joe Arpaio says he wants to send Dreamers packing and disagrees with Trump's plan to offer them a path to citizenship
  • Arpaio, 85, who campaigned for Trump in 2016 says the president is wrong about DACA
  • Wants all Dreamers deported, and then 'maybe' fast tracked for return to USA
  • 'America's toughest sheriff' was convicted of targeting suspected illegal immigrants for arrest
  • Arpaio was pardoned by President Trump who called out the lawman's 'admirable service to our nation'
  • The former sheriff is running for Senate seat to be vacated when Jeff Flake retires


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Why is Trump pandering to illegal aliens? they will never vote for him.
 

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Just gotta say...
I am missing the part where an ILLEGAL alien is referred to as an illegal immigrant or even an immigrant at all.
Is it that hard to understand what the process of coming here LEGALLY and registering etc is all about ?
How is it that the simple difference , legal vs ILLEGAL is so confusing and cloudy.
Theres T-shirts and stickers etc " America, built by immigrants " all over, but the fact is, these people are STEALING from ME and US every darn day and many a folk want me to be happy about it.
Must just be me.

Moving on, the Dems should be pretty happy about 1.8M but they won't be.
" its too high a cost ( $ for wall ) " etc etc.
Now they wanna negotiate the cost of amnesty for each ?

This is a " if a tree falls in the woods " politics thing.
I still don t get it.
( caveat, like Gringott , filled out EVERY form and paper and paid EVERY single fee )
You are either breaking the law....or you are not.
ILLegal = Criminal
Seems simple...but I guess I am not very progressive.
Must be somma dat new math.
Goodness.
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10-20 million illegals is an invasion. Just one more government failure. They take our tax dollars, employs how many on the border and ice? Then fail to do their jobs, give those who came here illegally a free pass and Americans get hosed once again. Next Election is handed to the dems as well.

This isn't going to fix itself. Sadly there are not enough people that care to do anything about it either. All we can do now is prepare for the transition because you know once gems get back in all hell is going to break loose. They have 4 years they have to catch up on now.
 

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now that is interesting,

Our constitution is to apply to anyone in the world?
Yes.

Can someone point out that distinction in the docs? As I surely have never referenced it that way.
The Constitution of the United States, Article 1, Section 2, Section 3, and Section 8.

Here's an easy way to think about it. Let's said a British family comes to visit the USA for a week. Can they be robbed or murdered just because they are not US citizens? Of course not! But, they cannot vote or become a congressman, or senator unless the meet the stipulations set by congress in Section 8.

Now let's take this a step further. Some people come to the US wanting to stay longer than a week. Some start business in the US, some find jobs, and some just come to retire or live on their existing wealth. These people don't have to becomes citizens. However, the Constitution does apply to them, meaning their life and property is their own, but they CANNOT VOTE or become a congressman or a senator.
 

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10-20 million illegals is an invasion. Just one more government failure. They take our tax dollars, employs how many on the border and ice? Then fail to do their jobs, give those who came here illegally a free pass and Americans get hosed once again. Next Election is handed to the dems as well.

This isn't going to fix itself. Sadly there are not enough people that care to do anything about it either. All we can do now is prepare for the transition because you know once gems get back in all hell is going to break loose. They have 4 years they have to catch up on now.
The can has been kicked down the road. PDJT is making it now or never. He knows Dems will not accept border wall funding so his proposal gets thrown out. Or the Dems can call his bluff.
 

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very good, exactly what I was after

so the people you mention are valid tourists or have visas ie they are legal

which means the constitution also represents illegal immigration, and the protections afforded them. Which means they are subject to the laws regarding housing, deportation, timing, and so on.

and lastly, the whole idea of daca is a sham from the get

through your answer, you have admitted there are borders, and there are laws that must be followed accordingly.
 

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there are borders, and there are laws that must be followed accordingly
Most definitely.

Edit:

Try living as an illegal in some other countries and see where you end up. Try applying for welfare benefits as an illegal in some other countries and see where it gets you.
 
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Give the Dreamers a green card, but no welfare and no voting until they self-deport and re-apply after paying a huge fine which should cover part of the wall.
 

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If it costs you money, did you pay for it? dollars that illegals sent to mexico was around 150b. Now it's down to 90b.

The DNC is reported to have cash flow problems. Dims as a collective are crying about paying higher taxes.

The Illegals are trolling Cuck Schumer and Pigliosi

how long before both are living in Gated/walled communities?

Sounds like "Paying for it" to me!
 

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Give the Dreamers a green card, but no welfare and no voting until they self-deport and re-apply after paying a huge fine which should cover part of the wall.
Problem is commie states are giving them license to vote, the kids can jump on welfare and are, look at statistics on the billions they are costing the US that could go to legitimate citizens that are hungry and homeless , our military vets and seniors, its a fking disgrace this is allowed. They should be treated as invaders
 

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Not to mention how many of them are encarcerated here.
Central AC and heat, hot meals, internet , comradere' , etc etc.
Crap that costs a lot.
 

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Could be wrong but I think certain things Trump has done or wants to do are driven by Trump's desire to avenge Obama making him look stupid several years ago.

When Trump was running for prez he talked about a great big beautiful wall that Mexico would pay for. That was horse shit and he knew it. But he also knew it would sound good and go over big with jsp........especially the ones who were hurting.

Once in office the prez of Mexico told Trump to get bent which was to be expected.

After that Trump told congress and the senate he needed 18 billion for his wall. Now it's up to 25 billion plus another 5 billion for a few extras. He probably knows that isn't going to fly and could be chomping at the bit to use it as an excuse to deport the dreamers.

Here's a vid of Obama insulting Trump:


If I'm right Trump may be doing certain things for vengeance and not to MAGA.
He's a vindictive man. I'm not saying that's good or bad, just the way it is. You may be right.

“Everyone, regardless of their immigration status or the status of their loved ones, should have access to equal justice under the law,” state Attorney General Eric Schneiderman said in speaking out against courthouse arrests.

It’s not a platitude. The principle that equal justice requires access to court dates back to 18th century common law, which barred civil arrests for people attending court.
Wrong. Being in the country illegally on American soil is being caught in the very act of committing a crime. (Easy example is trespassing, you can be arrested for trespassing while illegally on someone's property. Illegally in the country is being a national trespasser, and any time you are on American soil you are in the act of committing a crime). If you are committing a crime at the courthouse, you can be arrested. e.g. If you murder someone in the courthouse or steal a purse.

Further, this state attorney general is a moron. How can you pass the bar (let along be the state's top lawyer) without knowing the difference between civil and criminal? Civil is one party owing monetary damages to another. Criminal is committing a crime against the state in the form of breaking a law. Being an illegal is a criminal offense NOT A civil one.

This not only tramples their rights — the Constitution isn’t only for citizens
Wrong. It's only for Ameican citizens obviously. It's a contract between the governed and the government. The governed are the Americans, the government is the American government. I have no right to force my way into a contract between you and your landlord or between you and your wife as I'm not a party to the contract. It's simple contract law.

Yes.

The Constitution of the United States, Article 1, Section 2, Section 3, and Section 8.

Here's an easy way to think about it. Let's said a British family comes to visit the USA for a week. Can they be robbed or murdered just because they are not US citizens? Of course not! But, they cannot vote or become a congressman, or senator unless the meet the stipulations set by congress in Section 8.

Now let's take this a step further. Some people come to the US wanting to stay longer than a week. Some start business in the US, some find jobs, and some just come to retire or live on their existing wealth. These people don't have to becomes citizens. However, the Constitution does apply to them, meaning their life and property is their own, but they CANNOT VOTE or become a congressman or a senator.
Horrible logic. That british family is here legally, they are not committing a crime. Further, the Constitution and our laws prohibit American citizens from murdering or robbing, so they would apply to an American committing such acts. Now if you're saying could one illegal kill another illegal and would that person be held responsible if it occurs on our soil? Yes of course. The illegal criminal would be given a fair trial, but he is in no way entitled to any benefits of citizenship. Just like the illegal that was harmed wouldn't be entitled to government benefits such as disability if he were injured in the robbery while here illegally. We'd patch him up and send him back where he belongs.
 
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Walter Williams: "Immigration Lies And Hypocrisy"

by Tyler Durden
Thu, 02/01/2018 - 23:25



Authored by Walter Williams via The Strategic Culture Foundation,

President Donald Trump reportedly asked why the U.S. is "having all these people from shithole countries come here." I think he could have used better language, but it's a question that should be asked and answered.






I have a few questions for my fellow Americans to consider.

How many Norwegians have illegally entered our nation, committed crimes and burdened our prison and welfare systems? I might ask the same question about Finnish, Swedish, Welsh, Icelanders, Greenlanders and New Zealanders. The bulk of our immigration problem is with people who enter our country criminally from Mexico, Central America, the Caribbean, Africa and the Middle East. It's illegal immigrants from those countries who have committed crimes and burdened our criminal justice and welfare systems. A large number of immigrants who are here illegally — perhaps the majority are law-abiding in other respects — have fled oppressive, brutal and corrupt regimes to seek a better life in America.

In the debate about illegal immigration, there are questions that are not explicitly asked but can be answered with a straight "yes" or "no": Does everyone in the world have a right to live in the U.S.? Do Americans have a right to decide who and under what conditions a person may enter our country? Should we permit foreigners landing at our airports to ignore U.S. border control laws just as some ignore our laws at our southern border? The reason those questions are not asked is that one would be deemed an idiot for saying that everyone in the world has a right to live in our country, that Americans don't have a right to decide who lives in our country and that foreigners landing at our airports have a right to just ignore U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents.

Immigration today, even when legal, is different from the immigration of yesteryear. People who came here in the 19th century and most of the 20th century came here to learn our language, learn our customs and become Americans. Years ago, there was a guarantee that immigrants came here to work, because there was no welfare system; they worked, begged or starved. Today, there is no such assurance. Because of our welfare state, immigrants can come here and live off taxpaying Americans.

There is another difference between today and yesteryear. Today, Americans are taught multiculturalism throughout their primary, secondary and college education. They are taught that one culture is no better or worse than another. To believe otherwise is criticized at best as Eurocentrism and at worst as racism. As a result, some immigrant groups seek to bring to our country the cultural values whose failures have led to the poverty, corruption and human rights violations in their home countries that caused them to flee. As the fallout from President Trump's indelicate remarks demonstrates, too many Americans are afraid and unwilling to ask which immigrant groups have become a burden to our nation and which have made a contribution to the greatness of America.

Very unfortunate for our nation is that we have political groups that seek to use illegal immigration for their own benefit. They've created sanctuary cities and states that openly harbor criminals — people who have broken our laws. The whole concept of sanctuary cities is to give aid, comfort and sympathy to people who have broken our laws. Supporters want to prevent them from having to hide and live in fear of discovery. I'd ask whether, for the sake of equality before the law, we should apply the sanctuary concept to Americans who have broken other laws, such as robbers and tax evaders.

We should not fall prey to people who criticize our efforts to combat illegal immigration and who pompously say, "We're a nation of immigrants!" The debate is not over immigration. The debate is over illegal immigration.

My sentiments on immigrants who are here legally and who want to become Americans are expressed by the sentiments in Emma Lazarus' poem "The New Colossus," which is on a plaque inside the Statue of Liberty and in part says, "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free."

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Another Deadline, But No Sign of an Immigration Deal
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President Donald Trump told Congress it's time to take U.S. immigration policy into the 21st century in his first State of the Union address Tuesday. But his four-pillar plan, which includes border wall funding and a pathway to citizenship for 1.8 million young undocumented immigrants, is drawing criticism from both Democrats and Republicans. VOA Congressional Correspondent Katherine Gypson reports on Trump's odds of securing a deal when Congress returns to Washington next week.
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Blame the Dems! Trump hits out at Democrats Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer for not 'calling about DACA' in Twitter attack
  • President Trump went after Democrats again Thursday night over DACA deal
  • The president called out Nancy Pelosi & Chuck Schumer in a series of tweets
  • Trump tweeted that the 'Democrats just aren't calling about DACA,' adding that Schumer and Pelosi 'need to get moving fast'
  • Earlier on Thursday Trump tweeted 'Democrats are doing nothing about DACA'


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Q&A: Will Congress remain in stalemate over immigration?


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By ALAN FRAM, Associated Press
3 hrs ago




WASHINGTON — It's beginning to look as though Congress' election-year battle over immigration could end up in stalemate or a narrowly focused bill, not broader legislation like President Donald Trump has proposed.

The reasons: deep divides between the two parties; internal divisions, particularly among Republicans; and political incentives that might leave each side content with a minimal compromise or even nothing at all.

A look at where things stand:

Q: How did this start?

A: The struggle began as an attempt to find a bipartisan way to protect some young immigrants from deportation. About 690,000 "Dreamers" are currently shielded by the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, created by President Barack Obama to protect people who were brought illegally to the United States as children.

Trump, whose anti-immigrant rhetoric was a keystone of his 2016 campaign, said last year he was ending the program, claiming that Obama exceeded his legal authority to create it. Polls show wide public sympathy for these immigrants. Trump said he wanted to protect them, and he gave Congress until March 5 to find a way to extend the program. A federal judge has blocked Trump's rollback indefinitely, pending a Supreme Court ruling.

Q: What does Trump want to do?

A: He's proposed giving up to 1.8 million people protected by DACA, or potentially eligible for it, a 10- to 12-year path to citizenship. In exchange, he wants $25 billion to construct a wall along the Mexican border and otherwise fortify the border.

He also wants new restrictions that the conservative-leaning Cato Institute estimates could cut legal immigration by one-half million people annually. Legal immigrants could sponsor only spouses and minor children, not siblings, parents and others. A visa lottery for people from diverse countries would end, with its visas redistributed to other programs to slowly reduce their backlogs.

Q: Where is Trump's plan going on Capitol Hill?

A: Nowhere. Democrats hate its cuts in legal immigration and can easily block it in the Senate. They say it would give Trump everything he's sought for border security, leaving Democrats with no chits to trade for future efforts to help millions of other immigrants in the U.S. illegally but not under DACA's protections.

Conservative Republicans despise the idea of letting DACA recipients achieve citizenship. GOP moderates don't like its legal immigration restrictions. His plan would stand virtually no chance of getting the 218 House votes it would need.

Q: Does that mean Congress won't vote on Trump's plan?

A: Not necessarily. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., has opened the door to an immigration debate starting Feb. 8, with both parties offering amendments. He's not said what the initial bill will be, and some speculate it could be Trump's proposal or something like it. If it's not, it might be offered as an amendment. Any measure will need 60 votes to pass, which will be difficult.

Q: What other proposals are there?

A: Numerous lawmakers including several bipartisan groups are meeting or have produced alternatives. Nothing's surfaced yet with a clear shot at approval.

Trump rejected a compromise suggested by six Democratic and GOP senators. A deeply conservative bill with tough restrictions on legal immigration so far lacks the votes to win in the GOP-run House, where Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis., has little interest in pushing legislation that would lose or lacks Trump's backing.

While Democrats are united over wanting to renew DACA and seek citizenship for those covered by it, they have tactical differences over how to move ahead. Many in the House want to withhold support for must-pass budget legislation until immigration is addressed, while many Democratic senators have no taste for repeating last month's three-day government shutdown over the issue.

Q: Then where does this go?

A: With elections for congressional control just 10 months off, Democrats have no incentive to alienate liberal and minority voters by accepting a deal that limits legal immigration. Many Republicans don't want to enrage conservative backers by allowing what they call "amnesty" by permitting citizenship for "Dreamers."

Trump's recent comments haven't helped bridge that gap. He used last week's State of the Union address to equate immigrants in the U.S. illegally with gangs, drugs and competition for jobs. He angered Democrats by saying, "Americans are dreamers too," a line some likened to "All Lives Matter," a conservative rejoinder to the "Black Lives Matter" movement.

Republicans will need Democratic votes to get anything through the Senate. That seems to leave a less ambitious bill as the most achievable middle ground.

It might focus on a one-year extension of protection for DACA recipients in exchange for a year's worth of money for the wall and border security, about $2 billion or $3 billion. If such a measure could clear the Senate with Trump's support, that would boost its chances in the House.

Q: If not?

A: Gridlock is possible, an outcome the dysfunctional Congress is used to.

Trump believes he can argue his offer was entirely reasonable, ceding Democrats a big victory by making citizenship possible for nearly 2 million immigrants. "Democrats are AWOL" on immigration, he told a GOP gathering. He could try defusing the issue by extending the program beyond the November elections, though that risks irritating conservative voters.

As much as Democrats say they want a bill, they could be willing to take the issue to Election Day and use anger over Trump's halt to the program to drive voters to the polls.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...r-immigration/ar-BBIHQET?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp
 

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McCain, Coons To Introduce Immigration Bill Without Wall

by Tyler Durden
Mon, 02/05/2018 - 09:12


Senators John McCain (R-AZ) and Christopher Coons (D-DE) will roll out an immigration bill on Monday which omits funding for a southern border wall, provides a path to citizenship for more "Dreamers" than President Trump has agreed to, and calls for a study to determine whether addition border security measures are needed, according to the Wall St. Journal.

The bipartisan bill aims to provide a compromise between Republicans and Democrats in order to pave the way for a budget deal before the federal government runs out of money on Friday.

While Mr. Trump said he is open to providing Dreamers with a path to citizenship, he has repeatedly said that there would be no deal without wall funding - telling Ranking Democrat Chuck Schumer "If there is no Wall, there is no DACA"

Senate aides revealed to the Journal that the plan would allow illegal immigrants who have resided in the US since December 31, 2013 legal status and a path to citizenship - which is a much larger number of people than the 1.8 million covered under Trump's proposal.

Meanwhile, the bill would require the State Department to submit a three-year strategy aimed at addressing the underlying causes of migration from Central America into the United States (because a better standard of living, lower crime, and taxpayer funded government handouts aren't the obvious conclusion, apparently). As the Journal aptly points out, "Many Central Americans try to enter the U.S. illegally because of severe drug gang violence in their home countries."

The Journal reported that the legislation is "almost identical" to House legislation introduced by Reps. Will Hurd (R-TX) and Pete Aguilar (D-CA), which has the support of 27 Democrats and 27 Republicans in the House.

“It’s time we end the gridlock so we can quickly move on to completing a long-term budget agreement that provides our men and women in uniform the support they deserve,” McCain said in a statement to the Journal on Sunday.

“While reaching a deal cannot come soon enough for America’s service members, the current political reality demands bipartisan cooperation to address the impending expiration of the DACA program and secure the southern border,” he continued.

The legislation also calls for the hiring of 55 new judges per year, along with dozens of staff attorneys for three years, in order to clear out the enormous backlog in the immigration-court system.

The federal government shut down for three days in January after an impasse between Senate Republicans and Democrats, who would not budge unless a deal was reached to provide citizenship for those covered under DACA.

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9 Things That COULD Happen if Trump Builds "The Wall"!
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So what exactly would happen if President Donald Trump actually built "The Wall"?! Learn all about the possible effects of a giant wall separating the United States and Mexico!
 

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John Kelly warns that Trump won't intervene when Dreamers begin to lose their permits and slams illegal immigrants who 'were too lazy to get off their a**es' and sign up for DACA
  • Donald Trump's chief of staff, John Kelly, said that Dreamers will begin to lose their legal protection and work permits on March 5 without congressional action
  • Kelly said 'I doubt very much' that Trump would intervene to save the program
  • Trump's administration ruled DACA unconstitutional in September and gave Congress six months to come up with a legislative fix
  • Last month Trump offered to protect the entire population of Dreamers - 1.8 million - in exchange for his border wall and an end to certain visa practices
  • Includes 'the people that some would say were too afraid to sign up, others would say were too lazy to get off their a**es, but they didn’t sign up,' Kelly said
  • Democrats rejected the president's immigration framework on its face


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'Let's have a shutdown!' Trump says Republicans would be right to let government funding lapse if he doesn't get his immigration demands
  • The president leveled the threat in the middle of a meeting on combatting the MS-13 gang
  • He brought up a shutdown after laying out his immigration demands
  • 'I'd love to see a shutdown if we don't get this stuff taken care of'
  • He was countered by Virginia GOP Rep. Barbara Comstock
  • 'We don't need a government shutdown on this,' the endangered lawmaker pushed back
  • Government funding is set to run out on Friday
  • Democrats are insisting on protections for 'DREAMers'


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Trump says the 'stupidity' of US immigration laws are allowing gangs like MS-13 to flourish
  • President Donald Trump said: 'Not another country in the world has the stupidity of laws that we do'
  • The comment was made at an event at the White House on Tuesday aimed at combating the MS-13 gang
  • Trump slammed the gang during his first State of the Union address last week
  • He said the gang has killed many people and constantly reenter the country
  • MS-13 is the name of an El Salvadorian criminal enterprise that is 'transnational'
  • The group was started nearly 20 years ago in Los Angeles with 10,000 members in the US alone


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Mexico WILL pay for the wall say Trump advisers as president plans to recoup the cost through 'indirect' payments
  • President Trump said repeatedly in the campaign that Mexico will pay for a border wall
  • His latest immigration proposal demands Congress pay $25 billion for it
  • A former advisor says he will 'find a way' to make Mexico pay indirectly
  • One option is to tax remittances that immigrants send to family members in Mexico
  • Fee on high tech workers also being proposed
  • Diverting funds from reworked trade agreements
  • Tariffs would likely to lead to higher prices for U.S. consumers


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