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Is Alcoholism a Disease or Genetic? Alcohol Abuse & Mental Health

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I was speaking with Howard at our coin club meeting tonight, a savvy recovering alcoholic of many years who fought at bay of pigs. He said many long term AA members recently had slips at weddings, etc., being goaded on by friends who suggested they not be sissies, the last thing alcoholics need to hear.

The larger problem remains poor diets and exercise routines; you can go to as many meetings as you want sitting for the hour plus talking about how you may not have another rebound left "going out", but to me that smacks of defeatism. If people replace one addiction with another or continue being in poor shape because they don't work out how is that working the 12 steps?
 

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had slips at weddings, etc., being goaded on by friends
I can take or leave alcohol and have not been drinking for the last while. I went to a Superbowl party and my friends wouldn't leave me alone, they kept offering me beers and tequila shots, even going so far as pouring me shots and harassing me to drink with them. I would just brush them off and say I was laying off for awhile - as I would open another Topo Chico (mineral water) and watch them get stupider and stupider. They couldn't accept it - good thing I'm stubborn, the more someone pushes, the more I'm not going to do it. But, I can see how people get "goaded" by friends to drink at special occasions and succumb.
 

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A Small Positive Thought in the Morning Can Change Your Whole Day
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Every Day without Alcohol Gets You Closer to the Life You Want to Live
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Disease or genetic? Don't know for sure. Maybe a little of both.

I do know that alcohol is a detriment for me. I could have been in Irons league of drinkers. It has killed my grandfather, grandmother and uncle on my fathers side. Nearly killed my cousin. Nearly killed me.

Had my come to Jesus moment last April. Sober ever since and I'm ever so grateful for that. So is my wife god bless her.
 

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College freshman, 18, is found dead in her dorm room after a night of binge-drinking vodka and 'pre-gaming' with champagne
  • Erica Buschick, of Illinois, was found dead in her room at Miami University in Ohio on January 20
  • Incident report released by Miami University PD stated that the college freshman had spent the night before consuming large quantities of alcohol
  • Buschick fell several times before being brought back to her room and falling asleep on a bean bag chair, never to wake up
  • The 18-year-old was an honor student in high school and entered Miami University last fall as a special education major


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That would have to be the worst news in the world to receive.
That you just outlived your child.
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Is being an alcoholic genetic or a disease?
Why can't it be a little of both, depending on the chemistry of that certain individual.
 

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Part of it is genetic, or at least how your body processes alcohol is. My family on my fathers side were all hard drinkers.
1 in 5 people can drink ridiculous amounts of alcohol for decades and it doesn't kill them. Oh, you may rot your kidneys or your pancreas might explode but your liver will still be chugging along. Other folks can die from it in a year or 2.
I am 1 in 5. I burn alcohol like jet fuel and always had a very high tolerance for it.

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I think it skips a generation like having twins. My grandmother was an alcoholic and had 6 kids which none had drinking problems. Different story for her grandkids, there is a boatload of us and about 1/4 have/had drinking problems. I didn't drink to have a good time I drank to get drunk and get drunk I did.
I partied so hard on weekends a lot of times I couldn't work on Mondays, so my friends pitched in and bought me a tee shirt that said, " I don't do Mondays".
When I quit it was cold turkey in Jan of 2006. The old lady said , "quit drinking or get out".
I decide to stay.

Haven't missed a Monday since. :-)
 

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Part of it is genetic, or at least how your body processes alcohol is. My family on my fathers side were all hard drinkers.
1 in 5 people can drink ridiculous amounts of alcohol for decades and it doesn't kill them. Oh, you may rot your kidneys or your pancreas might explode but your liver will still be chugging along. Other folks can die from it in a year or 2.
I am 1 in 5. I burn alcohol like jet fuel and always had a very high tolerance for it.

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Me too, high tolerance, however the cost was I developed a type2 diabetic condition.

Really cutting out the sugar in my consumption. I used to do mass brown sugar in my coffee. No more,just half &half..
 

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Never had the high tolerance - get drunk pretty easy. Had friends who could drink massive amounts and carry on. Both parents didn't drink at home, only out on special occasions. But, grew up in a cloud of cigarette smoke.
 

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I drank every night (more than a few) for decades and would still get up at 4 in the morning. But I wouldnt drink when I worked nights, thats when things got rough.
 

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Be Thankful For All The Difficult Drinkers In Your Life Huge Lesson
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this is too good.
 

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I can't say if alcoholism is a disease but I do know that the desire to consume no matter what the costs is all consuming. Don't know why I'm still alive after all the drunken episodes I've been through. Haven't taken a life either luckily. But I did do lots of damage. Went through rehabs and detoxes. The last day I drank I ended up in a jail cell (again). Was facing some protective observation that would be a months stint. I asked myself if I wanted to have my kids visit me in a place like that. That was 27 years ago. I miss it sometimes. Only romantically. I am the same person, I just don't think and act the same way mostly.
 

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The Uses Of Alcohol And Other Drugs & How We View Them In Our Society
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Will Your Social Life Not Be Fun after You’ve Stopped Drinking Alcohol?
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One of the most obvious parts of your life that will need to change after you quit drinking is how you socialize. As with most other things in life, how you socialize, who you socialize with, and so on, is completely under your control. You are a fully grown human being and you are the only one who decides how your social life plays out.

My own opinion is that if you try to live the same life and pursue the same social life that you were pursuing before quitting alcohol, if that social life used to evolve around alcohol - then you're going to have problems.
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I'd also look at tests for allergies. Alcoholism is described as an allergy by AA. If you get tested and it shows that certain foods, yeast, and drinks trigger allergic responses probably going off those will result in better clarity and brain chemistry. My brother was a drug and alcohol addict for 15 years. It was probably connected to gluten and other allergies.
 

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When You Quit Drinking, You Are Your Biggest Enabler
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When You Quit Drinking, You Are Your Biggest Enabler
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In quitting alcohol circles, people talk a lot about enablers and they identify people as enablers - "This person is an enabler, that person is an enabler, you're enabling this behaviour in other people."

Who is your biggest enabler? Who is the only enabler that really matters?

YOU!

Nobody else matters. If you refuse to drink, nobody can force you.

End of story!
 

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I have heard "recovering" alcoholics use it against family members who are trying their best but not making enough money to pay their way. But the rich are never "enabled"? It reminds me of the imbecilic phrase "the customer is always right".

Enabling bad behavior is a problem; helping people if they are doing their best is not "enabling". We have a rich language. Why do we settle for the same words and phrases?
 
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Nobody can enable you to do something that you chose to not do anymore.

I had people who would come to my cabin and hang around the campfire drinking and what ever. That's what people do up north in the resort areas.
You go visiting other camps and drinking and socializing, if you have a cabin or cottage you know what I'm talking about.
Having a yard full of people drinking isn't what you want when you have quit.
So for a summer we would take off early in the morning and go to the beach or where ever, stop back for lunch and drop the dog off then take off on our motorcycles. If you are never home people stop dropping by.

To visit folks and keep in touch we go to their camps. A couple times a summer I'll bring my smoker over to a friends camp and smoke ribs for everybody. Works out good and it limits the amount of time I have to be around drunks. I have no desire to drink myself but damn, drunk people are annoying.

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When you are the only sober one around drunks, you see how retarded everyone is. I don't advise it.
 

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So it begets the question how much drinking makes one an Alcoholic? a few beers don't have much in them, one mixed drink has more that a few beers, glass of wine has 17% or so vs 4% for beer , whiskey 40+proof,
 

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So it begets the question how much drinking makes one an Alcoholic? a few beers don't have much in them, one mixed drink has more that a few beers, glass of wine has 17% or so vs 4% for beer , whiskey 40+proof,
I don't believe it's the amount but more of the reason to consume a mind or mood altering chemical. Alcohol is a drug. I consider myself an addict. I will use to get a rush. When that wears off, got to do it again. And that isn't just for chemicals.

When it comes to enabling, people, places and things can set up a person but it is the ultimate responsibility of that person to abstain. When in the grips of addiction, it is hard to see a different way.
 

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OK, search I'm calling bullshit. Sorry but I ain't moving on this one.
there is no flippen way alkeyhall sucks for sex. not only can it not suck for sex alkeyhall is responsible for a very high birth rate. yeah sure the poor babies pop out with with drawls of the south/north/east and west but life would not be there if'n every one was pious and non imbibing. Yep, life is sexually transmitted and you get two ugly or people who think they are ugly, why you get them together and them bashful turds would never even talk....nope just sit there and pine over what they know they should be doing; add alkeyhall and those two are on a full court press of one on one, or two on one or...get the pic? And, and why do you think it is called a ball? You know the "go to the ball?" It is called a ball because that is what fish/snakes and animals do....gather and splooge. Now think about this....every one would be doing it if human life only occurred around a semi anal meeting like what happen at the stones that hedge in. it is said "a mothers love knows no bounds" and I'd agree but only because she knows what it took while we as men are fucking clueless. shit, now I feel like I have been used....yeah, no wonder some of those gals called me a 'tool.'

candy is dandy but liquor is quicker....and it don't have to be the alkeyhall liquor either...