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Trump questions why Obama did not act on claims of Russian election meddling

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U.S. President Donald Trump on Saturday questioned why Barack Obama's administration did not act on allegations of Russian meddling in the U.S. 2016 presidential election.

On Friday a federal grand jury said Russia's military intelligence agency officers covertly monitored computers of Hillary Clinton's campaign and Democratic campaign committees, and stole large amounts of data.

"The stories you heard about the 12 Russians yesterday took place during the Obama Administration, not the Trump Administrations," Trump said on Twitter.

"Why didn’t they do something about it, especially when it was reported that President Obama was informed by the FBI in September, before the Election?"

"....Where is the DNC Server, and why didn’t the FBI take possession of it? Deep State?" Trump asked. (Reporting by James Davey; editing by Guy Faulconbridge)

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ssian-election-meddling/ar-AAA3sJ9?ocid=ientp
 

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Gap Between Trump and Justice Dept. Officials Grows More Stark

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By SHARON LaFRANIERE and KATIE BENNER
10 hrs ago


WASHINGTON — Strolling past red-uniformed guardsmen at Windsor Castle on a gloriously sunny Friday, the queen of England at his side, President Trump was savoring the moment, broadcast live to his supporters back home.

Then television screens across the nations switched to reveal a second display of authority: Rod J. Rosenstein, the deputy attorney general and the president’s legal Cassandra, with the latest news from the investigation that Mr. Trump calls “a witch hunt.” In terse terms, Mr. Rosenstein laid out the most detailed account yet of how the Russian government tried to influence the election that brought Mr. Trump to power.

After months of attacks by Mr. Trump and his allies on the investigation he leads, Mr. Rosenstein described a Russian influence operation that had to be blessed by the Kremlin, and named the perpetrators who carried it out. He did it just three days before Mr. Trump is due to meet in Helsinki, Finland, with the Russian president, Vladimir V. Putin. And he added what some saw as pointed messages to Mr. Trump, who he said has “got to make some very important decisions for our country.”

The dramatically different images illustrated, perhaps more starkly than ever before, the vast gulf between Mr. Trump’s view of the 14-month criminal inquiry into Russia’s influence on the 2016 election and that of the president’s own Justice Department. And even if it was not meant as such, the indictment of 12 Russian intelligence officers announced by Mr. Rosenstein was seen by some of the president’s critics as a kind of revenge for the withering — and near constant — criticism the president has heaped on the investigation.

That criticism has taken many forms: the public humiliation of Attorney General Jeff Sessions; the belittling of investigators and prosecutors working for Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel appointed by Mr. Rosenstein; and the president’s private threats to fire Mr. Sessions, Mr. Rosenstein or both.

Matthew Miller, a spokesman for Eric H. Holder Jr. when he was President Barack Obama’s attorney general, said prosecutors could have waited to seek the indictment until after Mr. Trump came home, and that the decision to move for charges just before the meeting with Mr. Putin might not be purely coincidental.

“None of the people in the indictment are a flight risk,” he said. “It sent a strong signal to the White House that they hold some cards, but the Justice Department has some, too.”

Mr. Rosenstein told reporters that he had briefed the president about the indictment earlier this week because “he needs to understand what evidence we have of foreign election interference.”

As long as Americans “are united in our commitment to the values enshrined in the Constitution,” he said, foreign adversaries who try to undermine them could not succeed. A Justice Department official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said Mr. Rosenstein told Mr. Trump about the coming charges on Monday, the day before he left on the European trip that will end with his meeting with Mr. Putin.

But if the president understood what some saw as Mr. Rosenstein’s message to take heed, it was not clear from the statement issued on Friday afternoon by the White House in response to Mr. Rosenstein’s announcement. It noted only that “today’s charges include no allegations of knowing involvement by anyone on the campaign and no allegations that the alleged hacking affected the election result.”

Just hours before Mr. Rosenstein announced the indictment, Mr. Trump again denounced the special counsel’s investigation, saying at a news conference that “we’re being hurt very badly by the, I would call it, the witch hunt” that is damaging “our relationship with Russia.” If it weren’t for the inquiry led by Mr. Mueller he said, he would have had a chance to have “a very good relationship with President Putin.”

Congressional Democrats immediately demanded that he cancel his meeting on Monday with the Russian leader, asking anew why Mr. Trump has not forcefully condemned Mr. Putin for crimes that the Justice Department alleges occurred over a period of many months.

The juxtaposition of the indictment with the president’s Windsor Castle photo op and coming meeting with Mr. Putin was so awkward that some of Mr. Trump’s allies suggested that Mr. Rosenstein deliberately timed the indictment to embarrass the president. One White House official said people in the West Wing had noted that the indictments obtained by Mr. Mueller often seem to coincide with the president’s travel or major events.

In its statement, the White House cherry-picked comments of Mr. Rosenstein’s that put the Trump campaign in the best light. For example, the indictment noted that one person — identified by two government officials as Roger J. Stone Jr., a longtime adviser to Mr. Trump — was in touch with both the hackers and senior members of the Trump campaign. But the White House pointed out that the indictment did not charge that any American citizen committed a crime. Nor was there any allegation that the Russians tipped the results of the election, the statement said.

Some former Justice Department officials said that if Mr. Rosenstein was guided by political considerations, prosecutors would have delayed seeking the indictment until after Mr. Trump’s trip just to protect Mr. Rosenstein’s job. Friday’s announcement shows that “the Mueller investigation is proceeding on its own timetable, in an independent way, not influenced by politics,” said David Kris, who formerly headed the department’s National Security Division and founded the consulting firm Culper Partners.

Still, Mr. Rosenstein seemed to deliberately steer clear of facts that might set the president on edge. He never mentioned the Clinton campaign, the primary target of the Russian interference, by name, saying only that the Russians “accessed email accounts of volunteers and employees of a U.S. presidential campaign, including the campaign chairman.” He did not mention that the hacking victims included political committees that served the Democrats, not the Republicans.

Mr. Mueller was nowhere to be seen, but other Justice Department officials were at Mr. Rosenstein’s side, including John C. Demers, who leads the national security division, and Edward O’Callaghan, Mr. Rosenstein’s top deputy, who is helping oversee the special counsel’s inquiry.

Mr. Rosenstein asked that the threat of foreign interference be viewed through an apolitical lens. “It’s important for us to avoid thinking politically, as Republicans or Democrats, and instead to think patriotically as Americans,” he said.

He included a backhanded reference to Thursday’s contentious appearance at a congressional hearing by Peter Strzok, the F.B.I. agent who Republicans claim tried to use the Russia inquiry to keep Mr. Trump out of office. “We don’t try cases on television or in congressional hearings,” Mr. Rosenstein said.

Mr. Miller, the former aide to Mr. Holder, said Mr. Rosenstein seemed to be highlighting Russia’s malfeasance while giving Mr. Trump some measure of comfort — including when he noted specifically that “people who are not charged with a crime also are presumed innocent.”

“You could understand why he might want to do that,” Mr. Miller said. “He clearly wants to preserve the investigation for as long as possible.”

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...icials-grows-more-stark/ar-AAA2ZNv?ocid=ientp
 

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5 key takeaways from the latest indictment in Mueller's Russia probe

CNBC
Christina Wilkie
15 hrs ago

  • A dozen Russian intelligence officials were charged on Friday with conspiring to interfere with the 2016 presidential election.
  • The indictment revealed several new details about the breadth of the Russian influence campaign, including alleged discussions the Russian hackers had with a U.S. congressional candidate and a friendly journalist.
  • President Donald Trump was told about the indictments earlier this week, and still plans to meet with Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday in Helsinki.

A federal grand jury on Friday returned indictments from special counsel Robert Mueller's office against 12 Russian intelligence officials who were charged with conspiring to interfere with the 2016 presidential election.

They are accused of hacking into computers at Democratic campaign committees and computers belonging to state boards of elections, secretaries of state and election technology companies. All the officers charged were working for Russia's intelligence service, the GRU, at the time of the hacks.

The indictment revealed several new details about the breadth of the Russian influence campaign, including alleged discussions the Russian hackers allegedly had with a U.S. congressional candidate and a friendly journalist.

Below are some key takeaways from the indictment, released by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.

1. The Russians allegedly hacked America's election infrastructure, including state election boards and secretaries of state. The allegations in Friday's indictment went well beyond merely hacking the Clinton campaign and Democratic campaign committees. From one state election board, the Russians managed to steal information on 500,000 voters, Rosenstein said, although he did not identify which state. Trump won the 2016 election by winning three key states by slim margins that added up to around 80,000 votes.

The Russians also "targeted state and local offices responsible for administering the elections; and sent spearphishing emails to people involved in administering elections, with malware attached," Rosenstein said. He stressed, however, that the indictments contained "no allegation that the conspiracy altered the vote count or changed any election result."

2. An American congressional candidate allegedly asked for, and received, stolen documents about his or her opponent from the Russians. According to the indictment, the operatives allegedly provided stolen campaign documents to a candidate for Congress. "On or about August 15, 2016, the conspirators received a request for stolen documents from a candidate for U.S. Congress," the indictment said. The conspirators "sent the candidate stolen documents related to the candidate's opponent."

The candidate was not identified in the indictment.

3. A journalist allegedly discussed with the Russian front account, Guccifer 2.0, about when to release stolen documents related to Black Lives Matter. The reporter, who is not named in the indictment, also "offered to write an article" about the release of the stolen documents.

Russia's efforts to use the Black Lives Matter movement to stoke racial tensions, and its attempts to turn Black Lives Matter supporters against Clinton, have been criticized as among the most insidious elements of Russia's 2016 election influence campaign.

4. Russian hackers targeted Clinton emails the same day Trump called for them to find "missing" emails. On July 27, 2016, Trump said during a campaign event, "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing," referring to emails Clinton deleted from her server because she said they were personal. According to the indictment, that same day, Russians "attempted after hours to spearphish for the first time email accounts at a domain hosted by a third party server used by Clinton's personal office."

The implication here is that Russian operatives did what Trump asked them to do, but the indictment specifically says: "There is no allegation in this indictment that any American citizen committed a crime." Nor does the indictment name any Americans.

5. Trump knew about these indictments well before they were announced. "I briefed President Trump about these allegations earlier this week," Rosenstein said Friday. "The President is fully aware of today’s actions by the Department."

Despite this, Trump has made no changes to his plan to meet with Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday in Helsinki. He has also publicly maintained a positive attitude towards Russia and Putin all week, as he attended meetings in Brussels and London. On Friday, he seemed like he might let stand Putin's denial of Russia's interference in the election, despite evidence to the contrary.

"I know you'll ask, 'will we be talking about meddling?'" Trump said to a reporter, "And I will absolutely bring that up. I don't think you'll have any, 'Gee, I did it, you got me'" moment from Putin, he said, "but you never know what happens, right? I will absolutely firmly ask the question."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...n-muellers-russia-probe/ar-AAA2gCH?ocid=ientp
 

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'Why didn't they do something?' Furious Trump lashes out against the 'Deep State' and blames Obama for failing to act in 2016 following the indictment of 12 Russian agents for hacking operation that targeted Hillary and the DNC

  • President Trump tweeted from Scotland about Friday's stunning indictments
  • Justice Department charged 12 Russians with conspiring to influence election
  • The indictments were handed down as Trump was meeting Queen Elizabeth II
  • Accused of hacking Democratic Party and Clinton emails then releasing them
  • Trump called on Russia to hack Clinton's emails during but claims it was a joke
  • Saturday tweet says activity took place under Obama's administration, not his
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...blames-Obama-not-responding-hacking-2016.html
 

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20K sealed indictments and all they've charged were 12 Russians? The math doesn't work for one thing!
 

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As per the post above (#84) there is a good possibility that the Obama administration tried to do something but may have been prevented from doing so. It's possible that Mitch McConnell was involved. Will post more on that later.
 

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Ex-CIA director: Americans will be named in future indictments
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Published on Jul 13, 2018
Former CIA Director Michael Hayden anticipates many more indictments -- involving Americans -- to come in special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 US election.
 

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'Why didn't they do something?' Furious Trump lashes out against the 'Deep State' and blames Obama for failing to act in 2016 following the indictment of 12 Russian agents for hacking operation that targeted Hillary and the DNC

  • President Trump tweeted from Scotland about Friday's stunning indictments
  • Justice Department charged 12 Russians with conspiring to influence election
  • The indictments were handed down as Trump was meeting Queen Elizabeth II
  • Accused of hacking Democratic Party and Clinton emails then releasing them
  • Trump called on Russia to hack Clinton's emails during but claims it was a joke
  • Saturday tweet says activity took place under Obama's administration, not his
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...blames-Obama-not-responding-hacking-2016.html
Exactly! OBAMA DID NOTHING even though he was told about it! "Stand down!". The lefties, when confronted with this FACT, say that "well, the GOP wouldn't let him!". BULLSHIT. If you're concerned about your nation, and the threat is serious enough, you TAKE ACTION FOR THE GOOD OF THE NATION in SPITE of the opposing party. He would have scored HUGE if he would have "stood up to Russian agression" just before the election - this would have helped Hillary tremendously!!!!!! She would have then taken a strong stance against Russian aggression and her polling would have jumped and it may have been enough to sway a few hundred thousand voters across the nation.
 

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As per the post above (#84) there is a good possibility that the Obama administration tried to do something but may have been prevented from doing so. It's possible that Mitch McConnell was involved. Will post more on that later.
If the GOP moved to stop Obama, he would have been able to use it as a club to beat them on the head. I don't buy this story.
 

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As per the post above (#84) there is a good possibility that the Obama administration tried to do something but may have been prevented from doing so. It's possible that Mitch McConnell was involved. Will post more on that later.

If the GOP moved to stop Obama, he would have been able to use it as a club to beat them on the head. I don't buy this story.
Haven't posted any thing about it yet. Need to look into it a bit more before I do.
 

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Revealed: How the 12 Russian hackers indicted by the DOJ used $95,000 worth of Bitcoin to finance their secret bid to swing the 2016 election

  • Hackers fired off fishing emails to Democrats to try and get personal information
  • Used bitcoin payments worth $95,000 to buy domain registrations and servers
  • Spread stolen information on social networks including Twitter and Facebook
  • Used pseudonyms like 'Kate S. Milton' and 'James McMorgans' to hide identity
  • One of the hackers spoke directly to long-time Trump confidante Roger Stone
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-tells-attempts-influence-2016-election.html
 

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It had nothing to do with me! Trump denies involvement with the 12 Russian hackers 'who did their work during the Obama years' and blames his predecessor for doing NOTHING because 'he thought Crooked Hillary would win'

  • President Trump tweeted from Scotland about Friday's stunning indictments
  • Latest tweet, third on issue today, saw him double down on criticism of Obama
  • Said hacking nothing to do with him as it did not happen when he was in power
  • Justice Department charged 12 Russians with conspiring to influence election
  • Accused of hacking Democratic Party and Clinton emails then releasing them
  • Accessed emails by creating fake profiles and paid for the efforts with bitcoin
  • One hack happened same day Trump asked Russians to 'look at Clinton's emails'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...blames-Obama-not-responding-hacking-2016.html
 

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It had nothing to do with me! Trump denies involvement with the 12 Russian hackers 'who did their work during the Obama years' and blames his predecessor for doing NOTHING because 'he thought Crooked Hillary would win'

  • President Trump tweeted from Scotland about Friday's stunning indictments
  • Latest tweet, third on issue today, saw him double down on criticism of Obama
  • Said hacking nothing to do with him as it did not happen when he was in power
  • Justice Department charged 12 Russians with conspiring to influence election
  • Accused of hacking Democratic Party and Clinton emails then releasing them
  • Accessed emails by creating fake profiles and paid for the efforts with bitcoin
  • One hack happened same day Trump asked Russians to 'look at Clinton's emails'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...blames-Obama-not-responding-hacking-2016.html
I still love the lefties who blame Trump but give Obama and Hillary a total pass for everything.
 

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Hacking had nothing to do with him...except that he encouraged it publicly, and Russia escalated hacking attempts
Had nothing to do with Trump, except his son meeting with known agents of the Russian government to obtain those materials, then covered the meeting up.
Had nothing to with Trump, except his Foreign Policy advisor was actively trying to conspire with Russia on this, and notifying multiple senior officials.
Had nothing to do with Trump who has been deny Russia did it for a couple of years, despite having all the intelligence to the opposite.
Had nothing to do with Trump except firing the guy running the counter-intelligence operation.

Obama did nothing except... put sanctions on Russia that Flynn undermined and Trump has balked at enforcing, despite Congress insisting they be enforced.
 

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Hacking had nothing to do with him...except that he encouraged it publicly, and Russia escalated hacking attempts
Had nothing to do with Trump, except his son meeting with known agents of the Russian government to obtain those materials, then covered the meeting up.
Had nothing to with Trump, except his Foreign Policy advisor was actively trying to conspire with Russia on this, and notifying multiple senior officials.
Had nothing to do with Trump who has been deny Russia did it for a couple of years, despite having all the intelligence to the opposite.
Had nothing to do with Trump except firing the guy running the counter-intelligence operation.

Obama did nothing except... put sanctions on Russia that Flynn undermined and Trump has balked at enforcing, despite Congress insisting they be enforced.
Or, there's more to the hacking story than meets the eye:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...-steal-data-susan-rice-gave-stand-down-order/

I read somewhere that all Clinton's emails were being forwarded to a foreign entity that is not Russia...I'm sure that will come out at some point.
 

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Mueller Prepares To Target Key Individuals Once Special Counsel Probe Wraps Up



by Tyler Durden
Sun, 07/15/2018 - 14:00


As special counsel Robert Mueller faces pressure to wrap up his investigation with or without the illusive collusion charge, the Washington Post reports that the Department of Justice and Mueller's team have been preparing to pass the baton of various ongoing investigations once the probe is complete.


Meanwhile, inside the Justice Department, law enforcement officials have discussed several scenarios in which the prosecutions of people who may be charged as a result of Mueller’s investigation are farmed out to other offices to handle any future trials.
In those scenarios, these people said, some prosecutors on Mueller’s team could move with their cases to Justice Department headquarters or individual U.S. attorney offices, these people said. -Washington Post

The Post also reveals that "the transferring of some cases has already begun," while Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein said on Friday that Mueller's case against 12 indicted Russian military officers would be handled by DOJ prosecutors at the Justice Department headquarters (it also doesn't take that much to sit on a case that will never see a courtroom, and the open file may linger for years, but we digress).

There are also practical reasons to begin shuffling cases and attorneys over to the DOJ. For one, President Trump could fire Mueller if this continues to drag on - a prospect made more and more likely as time goes on without the emergence of any actual evidence of collusion. But the most logical answer is that the investigation may simply be nearing its natural end, as cases against several individuals targeted by the probe are approaching resolution. Sentencing dates have already been set for two people who cooperated with Mueller's probe and pleaded guilty to charges; George Papadopoulos and Richard Pinedo - a California man who was charged with operating a Russian internet trolling outfit. The Sentencing of former national security adviser Michael Flynn, however, has been pushed back several times, with the next court appearance being August 24.

Then there are all the loose strings with Paul Manafort, the Podesta Group (ah who are we kidding), Michael Cohen and others the public may or may not know about. Mueller's probe ballooned in size as "mission creep" set in and investigatory avenues led to yet more investigations - requiring more attorneys.

In the past six months, the number of prosecutors working on cases he has brought has expanded significantly, with new additions casting light on the special counsel’s potential priorities and focuses. Court filings show that at least half a dozen new names are participating in Mueller’s work, all current Justice Department prosecutors. Their backgrounds vary widely, from prosecuting violent crimes to cyber attacks.​
Sol Wisenberg, who worked on Ken Starr’s independent counsel investigation of the Clinton White House, told The Daily Beast that the expansion of Mueller’s probe was to be expected. -Daily Beast

“I don’t think it’s unusual at all,” says Wisenberg. “That’s what happened with us. You get more cases or your cases become more complex, you need more prosecutors and you need more agents.”

“They wouldn’t bring them on if they didn’t need them,” he added. “They’re not bringing them on for grins. There’s work there that needs to be done or they would not be bringing them in.”

About that Trump interview
Member Trump's inner circle and legal team tell the Post that Mueller may decide against a lengthy subpoena battle for Trump to testify - while Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani, leery of a "perjury trap," has insisted that the president not be required to answer certain questions.

Among them: that Mueller not ask any questions about actions Trump has taken as president, including his private discussions with then-FBI Director James B. Comey.
Giuliani said Trump does not recall asking Comey to drop an investigation into former national security adviser Michael Flynn and he does not want the president to be accused of lying about the episode. -Washington Post

The president firmly believes he didn’t say it,” Giuliani said.

“He doesn’t recall it. . . . But Mueller could come out the other way,” he added. “They’ll say he’s lying. We don’t want to expose him to perjury [accusations].”

Trump's attorneys haven't received a response from Mueller regarding their terms, however one person briefed on the discussions doesn't expect Mueller to agree to them. "But if he did, well, then we'd face a really interesting choice."

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...-individuals-once-special-counsel-probe-wraps
 

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Mueller Prepares To Target Key Individuals Once Special Counsel Probe Wraps Up



by Tyler Durden
Sun, 07/15/2018 - 14:00


As special counsel Robert Mueller faces pressure to wrap up his investigation with or without the illusive collusion charge, the Washington Post reports that the Department of Justice and Mueller's team have been preparing to pass the baton of various ongoing investigations once the probe is complete.


Meanwhile, inside the Justice Department, law enforcement officials have discussed several scenarios in which the prosecutions of people who may be charged as a result of Mueller’s investigation are farmed out to other offices to handle any future trials.
In those scenarios, these people said, some prosecutors on Mueller’s team could move with their cases to Justice Department headquarters or individual U.S. attorney offices, these people said. -Washington Post

The Post also reveals that "the transferring of some cases has already begun," while Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein said on Friday that Mueller's case against 12 indicted Russian military officers would be handled by DOJ prosecutors at the Justice Department headquarters (it also doesn't take that much to sit on a case that will never see a courtroom, and the open file may linger for years, but we digress).

There are also practical reasons to begin shuffling cases and attorneys over to the DOJ. For one, President Trump could fire Mueller if this continues to drag on - a prospect made more and more likely as time goes on without the emergence of any actual evidence of collusion. But the most logical answer is that the investigation may simply be nearing its natural end, as cases against several individuals targeted by the probe are approaching resolution. Sentencing dates have already been set for two people who cooperated with Mueller's probe and pleaded guilty to charges; George Papadopoulos and Richard Pinedo - a California man who was charged with operating a Russian internet trolling outfit. The Sentencing of former national security adviser Michael Flynn, however, has been pushed back several times, with the next court appearance being August 24.

Then there are all the loose strings with Paul Manafort, the Podesta Group (ah who are we kidding), Michael Cohen and others the public may or may not know about. Mueller's probe ballooned in size as "mission creep" set in and investigatory avenues led to yet more investigations - requiring more attorneys.

In the past six months, the number of prosecutors working on cases he has brought has expanded significantly, with new additions casting light on the special counsel’s potential priorities and focuses. Court filings show that at least half a dozen new names are participating in Mueller’s work, all current Justice Department prosecutors. Their backgrounds vary widely, from prosecuting violent crimes to cyber attacks.​
Sol Wisenberg, who worked on Ken Starr’s independent counsel investigation of the Clinton White House, told The Daily Beast that the expansion of Mueller’s probe was to be expected. -Daily Beast

“I don’t think it’s unusual at all,” says Wisenberg. “That’s what happened with us. You get more cases or your cases become more complex, you need more prosecutors and you need more agents.”

“They wouldn’t bring them on if they didn’t need them,” he added. “They’re not bringing them on for grins. There’s work there that needs to be done or they would not be bringing them in.”

About that Trump interview
Member Trump's inner circle and legal team tell the Post that Mueller may decide against a lengthy subpoena battle for Trump to testify - while Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani, leery of a "perjury trap," has insisted that the president not be required to answer certain questions.

Among them: that Mueller not ask any questions about actions Trump has taken as president, including his private discussions with then-FBI Director James B. Comey.
Giuliani said Trump does not recall asking Comey to drop an investigation into former national security adviser Michael Flynn and he does not want the president to be accused of lying about the episode. -Washington Post

The president firmly believes he didn’t say it,” Giuliani said.

“He doesn’t recall it. . . . But Mueller could come out the other way,” he added. “They’ll say he’s lying. We don’t want to expose him to perjury [accusations].”

Trump's attorneys haven't received a response from Mueller regarding their terms, however one person briefed on the discussions doesn't expect Mueller to agree to them. "But if he did, well, then we'd face a really interesting choice."

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...-individuals-once-special-counsel-probe-wraps
I mentioned to a liberal that Manafort was indicted for activities during his time working at the Podesta group, and the dude (an attorney) said I was lying. I'd hate to buy that guy's services if he thinks that is a lie!!!
 

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Trump resists Mueller interview, leaving decision on subpoena before fall elections

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By Chris Megerian and David Willman, Los Angeles Times
2 hrs ago


WASHINGTON - After months of negotiations could not secure an interview with President Donald Trump, special counsel Robert Mueller warned the president's lawyers in March that he could use a grand jury subpoena if necessary to compel his testimony.

That prompted a furious response from John M. Dowd, the president's lead attorney at the time.

"I told him, in no uncertain terms, if that's the route he took, he'd have a war on his hands," Dowd said.

Trump's team has increasingly signaled that he will not voluntarily answer questions as the special counsel investigates Russian meddling in the 2016 election, whether the Trump campaign colluded with the Kremlin, and if Trump subsequently obstructed the investigation.

That may give Mueller little choice but to seek a subpoena if he deems Trump's testimony critical. But getting one this summer almost certainly would spark a court battle with the president's lawyers before the November midterm elections, a prospect Mueller might want to avoid.

The impasse represents a defining juncture for a federal investigation that has clouded the Trump White House from its first day and led to criminal charges against 32 people since October, including 12 Russian intelligence officers indicted Friday on charges of hacking files of Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign, Democratic Party organizations and state election offices in 2016.

While Mueller has avoided the media, Trump's rage has grown, with near-daily Twitter broadsides against what he calls a "rigged witch hunt." Trump will meet Monday in Finland with Russian President Vladimir Putin, who denies the meddling even though U.S. intelligence agencies said he ordered the operation.

Rudy Giuliani, who replaced Dowd, has become the president's most vocal defender. On July 8, the former New York City mayor said on a TV talk show that Trump would meet with Mueller only if the special counsel could show a "factual basis for the investigation," a hardening of the White House position.

Legal experts questioned Giuliani's attempts to set conditions for an interview with Trump.

"That's nonsense. It's actually nonsense on stilts," said Paul Rosenzweig, who worked with the independent counsel's office that investigated President Bill Clinton in the 1990s and is now a senior fellow at the nonpartisan R Street Institute in Washington.

The only grounds required for obtaining a grand jury subpoena, Rosenzweig said, is whether a witness may have evidence germane to the investigation.

Some former prosecutors and other lawyers say they are puzzled that Mueller has not sought a subpoena to bolster his hand in securing Trump's testimony.

"We've passed the point where a sensible prosecutor, even with the president, would have said, 'OK, enough. Here's your subpoena. See you in court,''' said Harry Litman, a University of California law professor and former U.S. attorney in Pittsburgh who was appointed by Clinton. "I would never second-guess Mueller. But I'm a little surprised he didn't start proceedings on a subpoena.''

Shanlon Wu, a former prosecutor who worked with Mueller in the 1990s in the U.S. attorney's office in Washington, said he doesn't believe Mueller wants to preside over a multiyear investigation.

"I think Mueller is very conservative in terms of his approach, and he would like to not create a big legal battle'' over a subpoena, Wu said. "I think his end goal is he wants to be seen as having done this very quickly and effectively.''

The question of whether a president can be compelled to testify under oath has never been tested in the courts.

Many legal experts believe a subpoena for the president's testimony would be upheld. They point to the Supreme Court's unanimous decision on July 24, 1974, which ordered President Richard Nixon to hand over taped conversations and other materials subpoenaed by the Watergate special prosecutor.

The Oval Office tapes revealed that Nixon had attempted to cover up crimes committed by his aides. The resulting public uproar helped forge bipartisan support for impeachment hearings that had already begun in Congress, prompting Nixon to resign 16 days after the court ruling.

Clinton also was subpoenaed, but under different circumstances - and with a different result.

Two decades ago, Kenneth Starr, the independent counsel who investigated Clinton's financial dealings as governor of Arkansas, and later his sexual relations with a White House intern, negotiated for months to question the president under oath.

Starr finally obtained a subpoena in July 1998 to compel Clinton to testify to a grand jury. No sitting president had ever done so.

After further negotiations, the two sides agreed to three conditions: The questioning would be at the White House, not the courthouse. Clinton's lawyers, who would be barred from a grand jury room, would be present. And Clinton would be questioned only about the intern, Monica Lewinsky.

Starr then withdrew the subpoena, and Clinton testified for four hours from the White House on closed-circuit TV on Aug. 17. That night, he admitted on national TV to an "inappropriate relationship" but denied that he had asked anyone to "lie, hide or destroy evidence."

Starr's subsequent report to Congress accused the president of giving "perjurious, false and misleading testimony" to the grand jury.

That December, the lame-duck House Republican majority voted to impeach the president. He was acquitted in the Democratic-led Senate and served out his term.

Mueller's office declined comment for this story. Another lawyer for the president, Jay Sekulow, said only that "we continue to maintain a professional dialogue with the special counsel."

In public, however, the scorched-earth attacks by Trump and his allies have undercut support for Mueller's investigation.

A Washington Post-Schar School poll released July 11 showed support for Mueller's handling of the case dropping from 58 percent in November to 49 percent. Disapproval rose from 28 percent to 45 percent.

Negative ratings for the Mueller investigation have risen most among Republicans - 78 percent disapprove, according to the poll - but they've also inched up among independents. Disapproval among that group reached 43 percent this month, up from 30 percent in November, according to the poll.

Neil Newhouse, a Republican pollster, said Trump is unlikely to pay a political price if he refuses an interview with Mueller's team. The decision would "surprise not a single voter in the country."

"It's not going to impact his support or his disapproval one iota," Newhouse said.

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Butina arrest: 6 things to know

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The Justice Department on Monday charged a Russian national, Mariia Butina, also known as Maria, with conspiring against the US as a secret agent.

Here are six takeaways from the court documents:

Russians sought back channels into the US government

Butina and her mentor, Alexander Torshin, "took steps to develop relationships with American politicians in order to establish private, or as she called them, 'back channel' lines of communication," an FBI affidavit filed in court says.

"These lines could be used by the Russian Federation to penetrate the US national decision-making apparatus to advance the agenda of the Russian Federation."

Leading up to the 2016 election, Butina sought to introduce Russians to Americans. She discussed posing as a go-between herself between powerful Americans and the Russian government.

She also suggested in September 2016 to two Americans that they should work to build "an advisers team on Russia for a new president."

Following Donald Trump's election in 2016, she and Torshin discussed their predictions for secretary of state, and whether that was good for "our people," the affidavit said.

She made connections with GOP, National Rifle Association

One of the Americans she worked with said one month before the 2016 presidential election they were working on a "VERY" private line of communication between the Kremlin and one political party through a gun rights organization, believed to be the National Rifle Association, according to court documents. Butina was involved with a Russian gun group that the National Rifle Association was supportive of and has met several Republican politicians, as evidenced in photos she took with them.

Butina and Torshin spent three years coaxing the Republican Party to be Russia's ally. They were preparing for when Obama and Putin would no longer be presidents.

"American society is broken in relation to Russia," she said in a Twitter direct message to Torshin in 2016. "This is now the dividing line of opinions, the crucial one in the election race. [The Republican Party] are for us, [the Democratic Party] against -- 50/50. Our move here is very important."

The American person she was in touch with in 2015 told Butina she could help guide Russian-American relations after Obama and Putin left their offices.

The person applauded her meeting Americans and attending conferences in America.

Butina was set up to influence both American politicians and corporate leaders

In 2015, Butina met privately with a political candidate. She also discussed a plan for Torshin to buy a plane ticket for a US congressman to visit Moscow.

Butina met leaders of one political party while being called "a representative of informal diplomacy" for Russia, the affidavit says.

At one point in 2015, she and an American discussed a $125,000 budget for her "special project," to participate in major Republican conferences. The American told her she would have unlimited ability to meet American companies if she could be a potential intermediary to the Russian government, the complaint stated.

Later, following the 2016 presidential election, Butina and the Russian official discussed a possible pro-Russian converence that US members of Congress could attend, according to the documents.

She tried to get Putin into the National Prayer Breakfast

Some of Butina's work in the US revolved around the National Prayer Breakfasts in 2016 and 2017.

Butina allegedly raised the possibility that Russian President Vladimir Putin would attend the event in 2017. The demands: 15 world leaders at the breakfast, and a personal invitation from the President. The Prayer Breakfast organizer responded that he would provide 10 seats at the event. Putin did not attend.

There may be more to come

The case against a Russian agent infiltrating the Republican Party may be larger than just the one arrest.

Newly unsealed court documents show that prosecutors indicated in a court filing on Saturday their investigation into the Russian foreign agent had more than one subject.

"The government will continue its investigation after execution of the arrest warrant," the prosecutors wrote to the judge. "And disclosure of the arrest warrant would jeopardize the investigation by providing the subjects of the investigation an opportunity to destroy evidence or flee and jeopardize the investigation by disclosing the details of facts known to investigators, the identities of witnesses, and the investigative strategy."

Court records indicate that a two-minute discussion during her appearance in court Monday was still sealed.

The judge initially agreed to seal the case so as not to give Butina a chance to flee or destroy documents, according to the court filing.

She was directed to have 'patience and cold blood'

This court filing has an overview of Russian influence efforts similar to that which Trump denied on Monday in Helsinki.

"Moscow seeks to create wedges that reduce trust and confidence in democratic processes, degrade democratization efforts, weaken US partnerships with European allies, undermine Western sanctions, encourage anti-US political views, and counter efforts to bring Ukraine and other former Soviet states into European institutions," the FBI wrote.

Torshin also reflected on their spycraft in a private Twitter exchange with Butina in 2016, according to the FBI. "It is not about winning today's fight (although we are striving for it) but to win the entire battle. This is the battle for the future, it cannot be lost!" he wrote, according to private messages published in court documents.

She responded that "harsh and impetuous moves will ruin everything early."

"Patience and cold blood + faith in yourself. And everything will definitely turn out," he wrote.

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Mueller Asks Manafort Judge to Give Immunity to Five Witnesses

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(Bloomberg) -- Special Counsel Robert Mueller asked a judge to give immunity to five people who may testify at the bank-fraud trial starting next week against Paul Manafort, President Donald Trump’s former campaign chairman.

Mueller didn’t identify the witnesses, who haven’t been charged. The five would invoke their constitutional right against self-incrimination and remain silent unless Judge T.S. Ellis III grants them immunity, prosecutors said Tuesday in a court filing in federal court in Alexandria, Virginia.

Their names will be made public only if they are called to testify, according to the filing.

“Disclosing the motions would reveal those individuals’ involvement in the investigation and the trial, thereby creating the risk of undue harassment,” prosecutors wrote. “Such concern potentially would be heightened by the additional revelation that they have invoked their privilege against self-incrimination.”

Prosecutors asked Ellis to seal five separate motions about the potential witnesses and unseal any of them if they are called to testify.

Manafort, 69, is accused of bank fraud and tax crimes in the Alexandria case. He would be the first of 32 people charged by Mueller to go to trial. He faces a Sept. 17 trial in Washington on charges of money laundering, obstruction of justice and acting as an unregistered foreign agent of Ukraine.

The cases are U.S. v. Manafort, 17-cr-201, U.S. District Court, District of Columbia (Washington), and 18-cr-83, U.S. District Court, Eastern District of Virginia (Alexandria).

(Updates with excerpt of filing third paragraph.)

To contact the reporters on this story: David Voreacos in federal court in Newark, New Jersey, at dvoreacos@bloomberg.net;Andrew Harris in Washington at aharris16@bloomberg.net

To contact the editors responsible for this story: David Glovin at dglovin@bloomberg.net, David S. Joachim

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The Establishment Strikes Back


by Tyler Durden
Thu, 07/19/2018 - 21:15


Authored by Philip Giraldi via The Strategic Culture Foundation,

There are a number of elements in the recent release of an indictment of twelve named alleged Russian military intelligence GRU officers by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein looking into possible ties between Moscow and the Trump Administration that I find either implausible or even incoherent. But before considering that, it is necessary to consider the context of the announcement.



The Department of Justice, which had, based on evidence already revealed, actually interfered in the 2016 election more that Moscow could possibly have done, continued in that proud tradition by releasing the indictment three days before President Donald Trump was due to meet with Russian President Vladimir Putin. The Helsinki Summit between the two leaders was critically important to anyone interested in preserving the planet Earth as we know it and there was no reason at all to release a non-time sensitive document that was clearly intended to cast a shadow over the proceedings. In fact, the surfacing of the indictment might easily be explained as a deliberate attempt by a politicized Justice Department and Special Counsel Robert Mueller to torpedo President Trump over concerns that he might actually come to some understanding with Putin.

The 30-page long indictment is full of painstaking details about alleged Russian involvement but it makes numerous assertions that the reader is required to accept on faith because there is little or no evidence provided to back up the claims and the claims themselves could be false trails set up by any number of hostile intelligence services to implicate Moscow. From an intelligence officer’s point of view, there are even some significant areas where operational implausibility completely undermines the case being made.

The indictment identifies by name and position the twelve alleged GRU officers who “knowingly and intentionally conspired with each other, and with persons known and unknown to the Grand Jury (collectively the ‘Conspirators’), to gain unauthorized access (to ‘hack’) into the computers of US persons and entities involved in the 2016 US presidential election, steal documents from those computers, and stage releases of the stolen documents to interfere with the 2016 US presidential election.

All twelve alleged GRU officers are described in detail, together with the cover mechanisms they reportedly used and the targets they pursued. But they are all in Russia and there is virtually no chance that they will be extradited to stand trial in Washington, which was certainly understood when the indictment was prepared. That means the “facts” as stated in the document will never be subjected to the normal judicial review process or discovery that takes place whenever someone is accused of a crime, which in turn means that information contained in the indictment will never be challenged.

The document itself also provides no information on how the Russian officers and their positions were identified, which suggests that it could have been a US hack or agent in place, either run by CIA or NSA, that came up with a list of those individuals connected to GRU cyber operations. That would be information involving sources and methods, codeword protected material beyond Top Secret.

If the GRU list is authentic, it would expose US ability to penetrate that organization, leading to Moscow tightening up security to the detriment of American intelligence. But it might alternatively be suggested that the drafters needed a group of plausible Russians and used a generic list provided by either CIA or NSA to come up with the culprits and then used those identities and the detailed information regarding them to provide credibility to their account. What they did not do, however, is provide the actual evidence connecting the individuals to the “hack/interference” or to connect the same to the Russian government. If the information in the indictment is completely accurate, which may not be the case, there is some suggestion that alleged Moscow linked proxies may have deliberately sought to undermine the campaign of Hillary Clinton to favor Bernie Sanders, but absolutely no evidence that they did anything to help Donald Trump.

Beyond what is or is not contained in the document itself, there is a clear misunderstanding regarding how a sophisticated intelligence organization, which certainly includes the GRU, operates. If there had been a large-scale Kremlin sanctioned plan to disrupt the US election, it would not be run by twelve identifiable GRU officers working with what appears to be only limited cover and resources. If the facts are correct, the activity might have been a routine probing, collecting and selective dissemination of information effort that all intelligence agencies engage in. The United States does so routinely in many countries, interfering in elections worldwide, far more than Russia with its limited resources, and even carrying out regime change.

If the Kremlin’s objective were truly to undermine American democracy, a task that is already being undertaken very ably by the GOP and Democrats, hundreds of officers would be involved, all working under deep cover and operating securely out of dispersed sites.

And no one involved would be using computers connected to networks that could be penetrated to enable personal identification or discovery of the ultimate source of the activity. Everyone would be working in alias on stand-alone machines and the transmission of information would be done using cut-outs to break any chain of custody. A cut-out might consist of using thumb drives to transmit information from one computer to another, for example. There would be no sending or receiving of information by channels that could be identified by NSA or CIA and compromised.

So the idea that the United States government identified twelve culprits who were responsible for trying to overthrow American democracy is by any measure ludicrous, if indeed there was a major plan to disrupt the election at all. The indictment is little more than a political document seeking to undermine any effort by Donald Trump to establish rapprochement with Vladimir Putin. It will also serve to give fuel to the Democrats, who are still at a loss to understand what happened to Hillary Clinton, and Republican hawks like John McCain, Lindsay Graham, Jeff Flake and Ben Sasse who persist in seeking to refight the Cold War. As Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin said in their Helsinki press conference, the coming together of the leaders of the world’s two most powerful nuclear armed countries is too important an opportunity to let pass. Cold Warriors in Washington should take note.

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The author of the article ommited the fact that Jeff Sessions is a shit filled scumbag besides that a good read.
 

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Robert Mueller subpoenas notorious 'Manhattan madam' who worked with Trump aide Roger Stone and was embroiled in the prostitution scandal that brought down Elliot Spitzer

  • Kristin Davis, 41, says she was contacted by Mueller's investigators on Thursday
  • She is the former 'Manhattan Madam' involved in Governor Spitzer's downfall
  • Davis ran her own novelty campaigns for New York governor and comptroller
  • She believes Muller wants to discuss her work with Trump advisor Roger Stone
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Trump Would Agree To Interview With Mueller If No Obstruction Questions


by Tyler Durden
Tue, 07/24/2018 - 05:53


On Monday night, Rudy Giuliani told Bloomberg that he indicated to special counsel Robert Mueller that President Trump would agree to an interview if questions were focused only on whether his campaign colluded with Russia in the 2016 election.

Giuliani also said that the interview would only proceed if questions about obstruction of justice were excluded. That's because the president's legal team is concerned that Mueller might believe witnesses who contradicted Trump’s account, such as former FBI Director James Comey, which could leave the president vulnerable to a perjury charge, Giuliani added.

Mueller has not yet responded to Giuliani's proposal, Bloomberg reported.

Previously, the president said on the record that he would be willing to talk with Mueller for his investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election. In an interview with CBS News last week, Trump reiterated that he's "always wanted to do an interview, because, look, there’s been no collusion."

However, he said his lawyers were responsible for working out such an interview. Giuliani, meanwhile, has repeatedly cast doubt on the chances Trump will sit for an interview. He said earlier this month that an interview is "probably further away" than before following congressional testimony from FBI agent Peter Strzok, who was removed from Mueller's probe after he was found to have sent texts critical of Trump during the 2016 election.

Trump has repeatedly criticized the inquiry as a “witch hunt" and over the weekend, he used the release of a surveillance application on an adviser during his campaign to renew his claims of a “rigged” FBI investigation.

Mueller has thus far filed charges against more than 20 Russian nationals, including 12 Russian intelligence officials, for allegedly interfering in the 2016 election. He has also obtained guilty pleas or indictments against four former Trump associates thus far.

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NYT: Mueller looking through Trump's tweets
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Special counsel Robert Mueller has been reviewing President Donald Trump's Twitter feed as part of the former FBI director's probe into obstruction of justice, The New York Times reported.
 

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Trump slams Mueller for conflicts of interest, claiming special counsel holds a grudge over bad business relationship and not being appointed FBI director

  • President Trump went on a multiple tweet rant against Mueller on Sunday
  • He claimed the special counsel has conflicts of interest: a bad business relationship and anger over not being named the new FBI director
  • Reports claim Mueller argued with a Trump golf club over fees and that Trump interviewed him for FBI director the day before Mueller became special counsel
  • Trump also used some of his favorite digs at the investigation in his tweets
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The trap is set,Clintons and Obama + the swamp about to be taken down go Mueller! Go Rosenstein! Go Sessions! The white hat trinity!
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'We don't have to cooperate': Giuliani says Trump will likely NOT talk to Mueller because he 'doesn't think they have a legitimate investigation'

  • Giuliani said on Sunday that Trump likely wouldn't speak to Robert Mueller
  • Asserted that Trump legal team had handed over all documents previously
  • Said there was no reason for an interview and no reason to cooperate
  • Vowed to fight a subpoena to the Supreme Court if necessary
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Public Evidence Suggests Robert Mueller Able To Bring Conspiracy Charge | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC
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Chuck Rosenberg, former U.S. attorney, and Jeremy Bash, former CIA chief of staff, talk with Nicolle Wallace about the legal meaning of conspiracy and why they think, based on the evidence made public so far, that Robert Mueller has enough to charge someone with conspiracy.
 

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Keep the investigation going it will boomerang right back at the Clintons and Obama be patient.
 

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Keep the investigation going it will boomerang right back at the Clintons and Obama be patient.
Just heard on tv that Trump may have told Sessions to end the Mueller investigation. If true this could become a bombshell.
 

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Trump says attorney general should stop Mueller probe 'right now'

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U.S. President Donald Trump on Wednesday called on U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions to end federal criminal investigation of whether his presidential campaign cooperated with Russia to influence the 2016 presidential election.

After a pair of tweets again attacking the probe by Special Counsel Robert Mueller, Trump wrote: "This is a terrible situation and Attorney General Jeff Sessions should stop this Rigged Witch Hunt right now, before it continues to stain our country any further. Bob Mueller is totally conflicted, and his 17 Angry Democrats that are doing his dirty work are a disgrace to USA!"

(Reporting by Doina Chiacu; Editing by David Gregorio)

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The trap is set,Clintons and Obama + the swamp about to be taken down go Mueller! Go Rosenstein! Go Sessions! The white hat trinity!
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