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"Let’s make sure we are clear… This is not a vaccine" - Dr. David Martin, Jan 5th 2021

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"Let’s make sure we are clear… This is not a vaccine. They are using the term “vaccine” to sneak this thing under public health exemptions. This is not a vaccine.

This is mRNA packaged in a fat envelope that is delivered to a cell. It is a medical device designed to stimulate the human cell into becoming a pathogen creator. It is not a vaccine. Vaccines actually are a legally defined term under public health law; they are a legally defined term under CDC and FDA standards.[1] And the vaccine specifically has to stimulate both the immunity within the person receiving it and it also has to disrupt transmission.

And that is not what this is. They (Moderna and Pfizer) have been abundantly clear in saying that the mRNA strand that is going into the cell is not to stop the transmission, it is a treatment. But if it was discussed as a treatment, it would not get the sympathetic ear of public health authorities because then people would say, “What other treatments are there?

The use of the term vaccine is unconscionable for both the legal definition and also it is actually the sucker punch to open and free discourse… Moderna was started as a chemotherapy company for cancer, not a vaccine manufacturer for SARSCOV2. If we said we are going to give people prophylactic chemotherapy for the cancer they don’t yet have, we’d be laughed out of the room because it’s a stupid idea. That’s exactly what this is. This is a mechanical device in the form of a very small package of technology that is being inserted into the human system to activate the cell to become a pathogen manufacturing site.

And I refuse to stipulate in any conversations that this is in fact a vaccine issue. The only reason why the term is being used is to abuse the 1905 Jacobson case that has been misrepresented since it was written. And if we were honest with this, we would actually call it what it is: it is a chemical pathogen device that is actually meant to unleash a chemical pathogen production action within a cell. It is a medical device, not a drug because it meets the CDRH definition of a device. It is not a living system, it is not a biologic system, it is a physical technology - it happens to just come in the size of a molecular package.

So, we need to be really clear on making sure we don’t fall for their game. Because their game is if we talk about it as a vaccine then we are going to get into a vaccine conversation but this is not, by their own admission, a vaccine. As a result it must be clear to everyone listening that we will not fall for this failed definition just like we will not fall for their industrial chemical definition of health. Both of them are functionally flawed and are an implicit violation of the legal construct that is being exploited. I get frustrated when I hear activists and lawyers say, “we are going to fight the vaccine”. If you stipulate it’s a vaccine you’ve already lost the battle. It’s not a vaccine. It is made to make you sick.

80% of the people exposed to SARSCOV2 are asymptomatic carriers. 80% of people who get this injected into them experience a clinical adverse event. You are getting injected with a chemical substance to induce illness, not to induce an immuno-transmissive response. In other words, nothing about this is going to stop you from transmitting anything. This is about getting you sick and having your own cells be the thing that get you sick.

When the paymaster for the distribution of information happens to be the industry that’s doing the distributing, we lose. Because the only narrative is the one that will be compensated by the people writing the check. That goes for our politicians… and our media - it has been paid for - if you follow the money you realize there is no non-conflicted voice on any network."

- Dr. David Martin, Jan 5th 2021.

https://truth11.com/2021/01/13/this...-kennedy-jr-dr-judy-mikovits-dr-david-martin/
 

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I've been telling this to the sheep around me for weeks. If they say they got their first shot of the vaccine, I correct them. It's not a vaccine, its genetic modifier. If they hate GMO, they should be running from the shot.
 

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i really wish we could find out what the real agenda is behind this vaccine. i know it aint good whatever it is! the idiots who are lining up for it will be the trial guinea pigs! ill bet the powers that be could say come down to the river and well drown your dumbasses and a shitload of 'em would show up to be the first! stupidity knows no bounds! i dont think we have to worry because the shithouse is going to go up in flames before they get the chance to ram it up all of our asses!
 

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i really wish we could find out what the real agenda is behind this vaccine. i know it aint good whatever it is! the idiots who are lining up for it will be the trial guinea pigs! ill bet the powers that be could say come down to the river and well drown your dumbasses and a shitload of 'em would show up to be the first! stupidity knows no bounds! i dont think we have to worry because the shithouse is going to go up in flames before they get the chance to ram it up all of our asses!
Many wish there was more time to effectively test it. Even if no agenda, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
 

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Many wish there was more time to effectively test it. Even if no agenda, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
there is ALWAYS an agenda when it comes to the government and big pharma! theyre testing it now on all the gullible stupid fucks who are scared of dying! my heart hurts to see this. i have a friend who thinks hes gonna die from this and fights me with everything i tell him. he cant get the vaccine quick enough! make no mistake! there is a virus. i had it in january as did many people i know. my friends father is in the hospital now having a lot of trouble snapping back from it. what happened to the flu? malaria? dengue fever? tb? living is the number 1 cause of dying!
 

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i really wish we could find out what the real agenda is behind this vaccine.
Here are the possibilities I can think of.

A: They really believe the vaccine can prevent the virus and are pushing it out of the goodness of their hearts.

B: The vaccine is mostly harmless, doesn't work to prevent anything, and they just want to make money off of it.

C: The vaccine isn't designed to kill people, but will render them infertile.

D: The vaccine is, or future vaccine variants will, be used to upload nanotech for mind control.

E: The vaccine is being used to prime people for a second virus they will release. When vaccinated, people who are exposed to the
second virus will die.

F: A combination of C, D, and E.

Sadly, in my own mind, I've ruled out A and B, and lean towards F. David Rockefeller called for reducing the population. Nick Rockefeller called for reducing the population. Bill Gates called for reducing the population, using vaccines. The Rockefeller Foundation is pushing health passports for
air travel. The World Economic Forum is pushing lockdowns in order to meet carbon reduction objectives.

In addition to all that, we know that over 99% of people survive the virus. We also know that vitamin D and vitamin C can seriously improve our immune systems. And yet, the only solution the mainstream media has pushed since day one is a damned vaccine. That fact alone is as suspicious at hell.
 

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Here are the possibilities I can think of.

A: They really believe the vaccine can prevent the virus and are pushing it out of the goodness of their hearts.

B: The vaccine is mostly harmless, doesn't work to prevent anything, and they just want to make money off of it.

C: The vaccine isn't designed to kill people, but will render them infertile.

D: The vaccine is, or future vaccine variants will, be used to upload nanotech for mind control.

E: The vaccine is being used to prime people for a second virus they will release. When vaccinated, people who are exposed to the
second virus will die.

F: A combination of C, D, and E.

Sadly, in my own mind, I've ruled out A and B, and lean towards F. David Rockefeller called for reducing the population. Nick Rockefeller called for reducing the population. Bill Gates called for reducing the population, using vaccines. The Rockefeller Foundation is pushing health passports for
air travel. The World Economic Forum is pushing lockdowns in order to meet carbon reduction objectives.

In addition to all that, we know that over 99% of people survive the virus. We also know that vitamin D and vitamin C can seriously improve our immune systems. And yet, the only solution the mainstream media has pushed since day one is a damned vaccine. That fact alone is as suspicious at hell.

i choose F!
 

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Here in Illinois the politicians have jumped to the front of the line for vaccine access. next up are, believe it or not, prisoners in jail and then of course there is a big movement that the whites should get it last because of their past white privilege. This time I am all for our State Democrat socialists on this one because they, and their followers, are the guinea pigs. Naturally that isn't why it is unfolding this way but I am sure glad that it is. Let others test the thing and not me.
 

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i really wish we could find out what the real agenda is behind this vaccine. i know it aint good whatever it is! the idiots who are lining up for it will be the trial guinea pigs! ill bet the powers that be could say come down to the river and well drown your dumbasses and a shitload of 'em would show up to be the first! stupidity knows no bounds! i dont think we have to worry because the shithouse is going to go up in flames before they get the chance to ram it up all of our asses!
I found this very informative and from a qualified epidemiologist.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/Dxjp6nkwhWn8/

It's rather frightening. In the trials all the test rats given the mRNA vaccine died when they became infected by a 'wild' virus. They know this but are slobbering all over trying to force ALL of us into getting this jab.
 

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Here are the possibilities I can think of.

A: They really believe the vaccine can prevent the virus and are pushing it out of the goodness of their hearts.

B: The vaccine is mostly harmless, doesn't work to prevent anything, and they just want to make money off of it.

C: The vaccine isn't designed to kill people, but will render them infertile.

D: The vaccine is, or future vaccine variants will, be used to upload nanotech for mind control.

E: The vaccine is being used to prime people for a second virus they will release. When vaccinated, people who are exposed to the
second virus will die.

F: A combination of C, D, and E.

Sadly, in my own mind, I've ruled out A and B, and lean towards F. David Rockefeller called for reducing the population. Nick Rockefeller called for reducing the population. Bill Gates called for reducing the population, using vaccines. The Rockefeller Foundation is pushing health passports for
air travel. The World Economic Forum is pushing lockdowns in order to meet carbon reduction objectives.

In addition to all that, we know that over 99% of people survive the virus. We also know that vitamin D and vitamin C can seriously improve our immune systems. And yet, the only solution the mainstream media has pushed since day one is a damned vaccine. That fact alone is as suspicious at hell.
So lets give them the benefit of the doubt. They are not totally heartless. They don't want to kill millions of people but curb the next generations population by causing infertility with the vaccine. it serves for mass depopulation and only the chosen get to reproduce.
 

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I found this very informative and from a qualified epidemiologist.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/Dxjp6nkwhWn8/

It's rather frightening. In the trials all the test rats given the mRNA vaccine died when they became infected by a 'wild' virus. They know this but are slobbering all over trying to force ALL of us into getting this jab.
also noticing on my healthcare forum the ones having the hardest time with the vaccine have already had covid.
 

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I'm struggling to understand why someone who has already had it would feel they need a vaccine.
because they are told their immunity wont last from having real covid.. On the other hand they have no idea how long the immunity from the vaccine lasts either. Healthcare workers are reflecting the general population in that they are doing what they are told by authority and many think they would not be given the vaccine if it would harm them.
 

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because they are told their immunity wont last from having real covid.. On the other hand they have no idea how long the immunity from the vaccine lasts either. Healthcare workers are reflecting the general population in that they are doing what they are told by authority and many think they would not be given the vaccine if it would harm them.
The lies and deception are a little breathtaking. I fear it's not going to be a good year.
 

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A lawsuit filed in Palm Beach County Circuit Court alleges “false imprisonment” and “invasion of privacy” after the Palmetto Place Condominium Association allegedly deactivated the key fobs of two homeowners who publicly acknowledged they were COVID-19 positive. The condo association — allegedly without authority to do so — used the key fob deactivation as a way to force the husband and wife to stay in their condo for two weeks, then told the couple that the HOA would call the police to “request that you be removed from the building and or arrested” if they attempted to exit the high-end building.

The HOA is also accused of attempting to enter the couple’s unit to ensure the husband and wife remained inside.

https://yournews.com/2021/01/11/198...wsuit-boca-raton-hoa-deactivated-key-fobs-of/

This may be a precedent setting case. Unflippinbelievable.
 

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because they are told their immunity wont last from having real covid.. On the other hand they have no idea how long the immunity from the vaccine lasts either. Healthcare workers are reflecting the general population in that they are doing what they are told by authority and many think they would not be given the vaccine if it would harm them.
Avalon, I had the "beer virus" a year ago, before it was popular. I have been 100% well since I got over it last Feb. I believe our bodies do a much better job of immunity, than the demented scientist that created this illness in the first place!!
 

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Avalon, I had the "beer virus" a year ago, before it was popular. I have been 100% well since I got over it last Feb. I believe our bodies do a much better job of immunity, than the demented scientist that created this illness in the first place!!
I'm glad you got through the virus ok. It is such a fickle virus in how it affects people. To be honest I am totally baffled as to why they are not running titers or antibody tests before they vaccinate people. Its a standard protocol for many vaccinations. Why would you vaccinate when you have immunity already? If Drs, Nurses and healthcare workers are not questioning this we are doomed.
 

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- Dr. David Martin, Jan 5th 2021.

Link?

Doctor of what?
 

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Dr. Martin didn’t kill himself
 

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- Dr. David Martin, Jan 5th 2021.

Link?

Doctor of what?
He’s a financial expert and one of the guys being plandemic 2

Plandemic 1 essentially exposed Faucci’s history but was taken down as fast as it got mirrored. It’s worth watching.

I’m not a “believer” but I agree with his argument in post 1.

He’s a bit of a televangelist in my opinion but that doesn’t make him wrong about everything
http://www.davidmartin.world/about/

Dyodd
 

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Time for 100,000 lawsuits across the land...
 

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A lawsuit filed in Palm Beach County Circuit Court alleges “false imprisonment” and “invasion of privacy” after the Palmetto Place Condominium Association allegedly deactivated the key fobs of two homeowners who publicly acknowledged they were COVID-19 positive. The condo association — allegedly without authority to do so — used the key fob deactivation as a way to force the husband and wife to stay in their condo for two weeks, then told the couple that the HOA would call the police to “request that you be removed from the building and or arrested” if they attempted to exit the high-end building.

The HOA is also accused of attempting to enter the couple’s unit to ensure the husband and wife remained inside.

https://yournews.com/2021/01/11/198...wsuit-boca-raton-hoa-deactivated-key-fobs-of/

This may be a precedent setting case. Unflippinbelievable.
HOA's are just below BG and George boy in terms of things that deserve ridicule and hatred.
 

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I'm glad you got through the virus ok. It is such a fickle virus in how it affects people. To be honest I am totally baffled as to why they are not running titers or antibody tests before they vaccinate people. Its a standard protocol for many vaccinations. Why would you vaccinate when you have immunity already? If Drs, Nurses and healthcare workers are not questioning this we are doomed.
It's a fickle virus because it NOT natural. It was created in a lab and one might expect that behaves differently than previous known viruses.
 

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Many wish there was more time to effectively test it. Even if no agenda, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
soros, gates, china, fauci, .gov ain't got good intentions.
 

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A lawsuit filed in Palm Beach County Circuit Court alleges “false imprisonment” and “invasion of privacy” after the Palmetto Place Condominium Association allegedly deactivated the key fobs of two homeowners who publicly acknowledged they were COVID-19 positive. The condo association — allegedly without authority to do so — used the key fob deactivation as a way to force the husband and wife to stay in their condo for two weeks, then told the couple that the HOA would call the police to “request that you be removed from the building and or arrested” if they attempted to exit the high-end building.

The HOA is also accused of attempting to enter the couple’s unit to ensure the husband and wife remained inside.

https://yournews.com/2021/01/11/198...wsuit-boca-raton-hoa-deactivated-key-fobs-of/

This may be a precedent setting case. Unflippinbelievable.
False imprisonment?

I would venture a guess that the couple will most likely own the whole shoot'n match after it is all said and done.
 

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I am convinced it generically targets certain people.
Look at the areas of the country that have had it worst, and then start looking at the countries that have been hit worst.

That said, I've seen people theorizing that diet would come into play as well.

Everything that I have read about this "disease" makes think that we have been lied to at every turn, there's still more to come from this, and I don't think it's very good.
 

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I am just sitting here shaking my head. WTF. I just lifted this off the healthcare worker forum. So millions of healthcare workers just offered themselves to be the largest medical experiment in history for a "vaccine" we do not even know works. Why do I keep letting a lack of logic make me crazy?

Janice
So then the question remains that since they don’t know if the vaccine protects you from the virus or just keeps you from being symptomatic and that’s why we still have to wear masks, the masks will never go away and if you have no symptoms but yet can still spread it to others how would you know you had it?
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hopefully as they have a chance to research it more we will get these answers. We just don’t have them yet. So it doesn’t mean we will have to wear masks forever. But the scientists need more time to study exactly what the vax does.

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But the scientists need more time to study exactly what the vax does.
So are the scientists then going to remove the "vax" and the adverse effects it causes retroactively...pending further study?

The position is basically Nancy Pelosi's position adapted to "medicine"? "We must inject the sludge, to find out what's in it!"

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FU old dead dude! You're CANCELLED!
 

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I am just sitting here shaking my head. WTF. I just lifted this off the healthcare worker forum. So millions of healthcare workers just offered themselves to be the largest medical experiment in history for a "vaccine" we do not even know works. Why do I keep letting a lack of logic make me crazy?

Janice
So then the question remains that since they don’t know if the vaccine protects you from the virus or just keeps you from being symptomatic and that’s why we still have to wear masks, the masks will never go away and if you have no symptoms but yet can still spread it to others how would you know you had it?
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hopefully as they have a chance to research it more we will get these answers. We just don’t have them yet. So it doesn’t mean we will have to wear masks forever. But the scientists need more time to study exactly what the vax does.

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MASK UP Brits could wear Covid face masks FOREVER as coronavirus will ‘always be with us’, warns JVT

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  • 13 Jan 2021, 19:00
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BRITS could be wearing face masks forever as Covid-19 will "always be with us", England's deputy chief medical officer told The Sun today.
Professor Jonathan Van-Tam said the pandemic has changed how Brits approach hygiene and that some habits that we have adopted still stay with us.

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Jonathan Van-Tam said the pandemic has changed how Brits approach hygiene
The top medic add that lockdown will probably be with us until "mid to late Spring".
The professor also cautioned that the virus will be with us "for the foreseeable future".
Prof Van-Tam said during an exclusive interview with The Sun: "The pandemic has changed a lot of things. It has changed the way you and I approach hand hygiene.

"We all carry hand sanitiser around now, we all expect in most of the places we go into that hand sanitiser is provided at the door.
“I think there are going to be people who make a personal decision to say, you know what, when I’m in a crowded place in the winter I’m going to put a face covering on. When I’m on a tube I am going to put a face covering on."


Jonathan Van Tam answers Sun readers' questions
1: Anonymous: Once everyone who is vulnerable has been vaccinated, can we go back to life as normal? Are you hoping to lift restrictions after the first vaccination wave ends in mid February?
JVT: “We are in a really dangerous place now - you can see what it’s like in hospitals.
“I completely understand that people want to know when we can lift restrictions. It is natural.
“But no vaccine is going to change and turn the ship around overnight.
"We are going to have a very difficult couple of months.
“When we are confident that we have got on top of the severe disease and are bringing infection levels down, then we can advise government ministers about what flexibility they have got to start to relax the rules.
“But here is the rub on this - if people start relaxing now they are going to give the vaccine a headwind to run into, and they are going to make it harder for us to get those effects we want to see so badly.”
2: Sam Irving - If everyone is given a vaccine by Autumn, why talk of restrictions next winter?
JVT: "I don’t think we are ever going to take this virus away out of humankind. I think the virus is going to continue to change over time, as the disease has already shown signs of doing.
"And I think the virus is likely to be with us probably for the foreseeable future - probably in the same way that flu is.
“I can’t tell you how long the vaccine protection is going to last for. We are very hopeful it is going to be in the region of a very high number of months, possibly a small number of years. But we can’t say yet.
“If the virus is going to continue to change there will come a point where we will have to reformulate the vaccines.”
3 : Luke - Will face masks still need to be used even when everyone is vaccinated ?
JVT: “The pandemic has changed a lot of things. It has changed the way you and I approach hand hygiene. We all carry hand sanitiser around now, we all expect in most of the places we go into that hand sanitiser is provided at the door.
“I think there are going to be people who make a personal decision to say, you know what, when I’m in a crowded place in the winter I’m going to put a face covering on. When I’m on a tube I am going to put a face covering on.
“I really don’t think the government has any intention that we should all walk around forever and a day distinguishing each other only by peering through a face covering.
“But I think individuals at different levels will choose to keep some of the infection precautionary behaviour that we have had to adopt as a matter of absolute necessity during Covid.”
4: Dawn Douglas - I'm quite concerned about queuing with other people to get the vaccine. I've been shielding since March and concerned there's a risk of catching covid with lots of other people inside and no ventilation.
JVT: “I have seen those queues in some of the photos outside the vaccination centres. I understand that concern - but remember outside is outdoors and the risks are extremely low.
“I have also done a couple of shifts as a vaccinator in vaccination centres, and I have never seen 2m social distancing as rigidly enforced by staff and the marks on the floor as I have in those vaccination centres.”
5: Aniko Simon - Why are we waiting 12 weeks to deliver the second jab when Europe is doing it 24 days later?
JVT: “The UK’s supply is constrained. Every country in the world wants these vaccines.
“I think that is a straight forward, almost zero sum choice really. I have talked about my mum, but it’s not just about my mum it is about your mum too and other people’s mums.
“If we have got to get as many mums and dads who are older, protected, as much as we can in the shortest time we can, then the right strategy has got to be to share out what we have got in the most efficient way for the whole population.”
6: David Hall - Can we mix and match the Oxford and Pfizer vaccines?
JVT: "At the moment our advice is no, because we don’t have any data. But do I think that is inherently unsafe? No.
“Are we going to do studies to understand how these vaccines might be used one after the other in the future? Absolutely.”
7: Snap Dragon - When a person has received both doses of the vaccine and it has taken effect, will they be able to drop their own restrictions so that they can make physical contact with family and friends?
JVT: “No. No. It is a flat no on that one.
“We know that the vaccines are effective in preventing infection. We don’t know if they are effective in preventing transmission.
“Although it’s a really hard thing for people who have been vaccinated to swallow, the rules still apply. They apply to the vaccinated and the unvaccinated.
“Until we have got tens of millions of people vaccinated, where we have got tangible evidence on reducing transmission, and where we can see disease rates falling in the population and be confident we are in the right place.
“That is not until, my guess, the mid to late Spring.
“If they relax too soon they are going to give this vaccine a headwind in which to do its work.
“The vaccine effects are going to take three months until we see them properly, and until then no one can relax."
8. Zakk Kaye - Do you blame members of the public who have become complacent and careless for the severe increase in cases, and unfortunately deaths recently?
JVT: “I don’t think it is a question of blame. It is a question of the fact that we have lived with these restrictions in some way shape or form for so long we learnt to manage that our own way.
“And we forget that a new variant emerged and became dominant in the last few months of 2020.
“We are just not in a safe space at all. And people cannot afford to make up their own rules.
“Somebody has said - I don’t go to supermarkets but I do meet up with my friends.
“Well, I am sorry - all the rules apply all of the time.”
However, Prof Van-Tam added that this doesn't mean this will be enforced, but rather that the mentality towards the virus has changed things.
He said: "I really don’t think the government has any intention that we should all walk around forever and a day distinguishing each other only by peering through a face covering.

“But I think individuals at different levels will choose to keep some of the infection precautionary behaviour that we have had to adopt as a matter of absolute necessity during Covid.”
He continued: "I don’t think we are ever going to take this virus away out of humankind. I think the virus is going to continue to change over time, as the disease has already shown signs of doing.
“And I think the virus is likely to be with us probably for the foreseeable future - probably in the same way that flu is.
“I can’t tell you how long the vaccine protection is going to last for. We are very hopeful it is going to be in the region of a very high number of months, possibly a small number of years. But we can’t say yet.

The pandemic has changed a lot of things. It has changed the way you and I approach hand hygiene.​
“If the virus is going to continue to change there will come a point where we will have to reformulate the vaccines.”
It comes as the UK today suffered its deadliest day of the pandemic after 1,564 more people lost their lives to Covid.
Positive cases also rose by 47,525 - bringing the total number of infections to 3,164,051 - as ministers debate whether lockdown rules should be tightened.
Today's death toll of 1,564 is the highest recorded since the pandemic began and brings the total number of fatalities to 84,767.