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I have told you guys previously that I dont think Trump is gonna give in on his demands regarding building the wall. After todays press conference - I am more assured that my initial assessment was right. TRUMP WILL NOT GIVE IN.

And neither will Pelosi/Schumer...

So that leaves us with a partially shut down government where food stamps/SNAP benefits will run out by the end of January (estimate) and lots of "essential Federal workers" are working but not being paid. This will cause enormous problems as time goes by because mortgages cant be closed, airport security will cease to function, etc...

As we approach February and assuming there isnt a deal reached - things are gonna get HOT. Massive protests...finger pointing...civil unrest.

Millions and millions of Americans will lose their access to food. Let that sink in for a minute...

Civil unrest - the likes of which we havent seen before in this country are coming SOON. Antifa is gonna be front and center in these protests...

And that civil unrest is going to usher in martial law. And once that happens - all bets are off on where things spiral out of control from there...

I am 100% convinced that Trump team has been planning this for quite a while - even down to which departments/agencies will be effected by the shutdown - all to maximize the pain - specifically on the Democrats.

What Trump ultimately wants is for Pelosi/Schumer to cave...to crumble...to acquiesce to his demands.

And I believe he will win. All he has to do is not give in and stay the course. His reelection in 2020 depends on the wall getting built and he knows it.
 

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Civil unrest - the likes of which we havent seen before in this country are coming SOON. Antifa is gonna be front and center in these protests...

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Care to elaborate?
 

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Oh boy...sorry NOT going to happen. The office of the president cannot do a armed forces martial law....check that thing they swear too. Martial law is declared by the governor of each and every state in the individual of the state apart from the others. What all that means is when things get too frick'n ruff then the gov of whatever state calls on the rest of the states to help get "that" state under control.
 

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Care to elaborate?
Imagine we are in the beginning of February 2019 (about a month from now) and there is no agreement on the government shutdown....

by this time - the essential workers will have worked for about a month or so and not gotten paid. They will be forced to seek other employment in order to pay their bills which means they will call in sick or simply not show up for work. Think about airports and TSA when most of the people are coming to work...what happens? Do flights get cancelled?

People who get food stamps/SNAP benefits will be in a panic as they wont be able to buy food. We are talking millions and millions of people that will lose access to food. Additionally - think of mothers with babies that depend on WIC for baby formula and diapers...

There are gonna be literally millions and millions of very, very angry people taking to the streets...and then you add in all the supporters/organizers and we are talking about protests numbering in the tens of millions of people. And with Antifa involvement it is a surety that these protests will turn violent/destructive.

The 24 hour news cycle will be broadcasting all the misery 24/7 further feeding the cycle...

Entire systems will begin to struggle to function. In todays environment - how do you run airports without TSA? And thats just one example.

There will be massive riots. And those riots will be the justification for Trump to respond with martial law...to quell the violence.

I expect the media to awaken to this forthcoming reality by about the middle of January. you will start to see/read stories about the Ag dept running out of money and the ramifications to the SNAP crowd...that media awareness will start to make people nervous/scared as the reality of the situation slowly dawns on them...
 

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Oh boy...sorry NOT going to happen. The office of the president cannot do a armed forces martial law....check that thing they swear too. Martial law is declared by the governor of each and every state in the individual of the state apart from the others. What all that means is when things get too frick'n ruff then the gov of whatever state calls on the rest of the states to help get "that" state under control.
Lincoln declared martial law and suspended the writ of habeus corpus. So there is precedent for it.
 

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Nah. I think it'll be a much more subdued course than that but I'm prepared for most anything. Don't forget the Divine Hand is what's really in command here.
 

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Lincoln declared martial law and suspended the writ of habeus corpus. So there is precedent for it.
We're already in a state of emergency as far as I know since last year as has been discussed in the Q community.
 

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Imagine we are in the beginning of February 2019 (about a month from now) and there is no agreement on the government shutdown....

by this time - the essential workers will have worked for about a month or so and not gotten paid. They will be forced to seek other employment in order to pay their bills which means they will call in sick or simply not show up for work. Think about airports and TSA when most of the people are coming to work...what happens? Do flights get cancelled?

People who get food stamps/SNAP benefits will be in a panic as they wont be able to buy food. We are talking millions and millions of people that will lose access to food. Additionally - think of mothers with babies that depend on WIC for baby formula and diapers...

There are gonna be literally millions and millions of very, very angry people taking to the streets...and then you add in all the supporters/organizers and we are talking about protests numbering in the tens of millions of people. And with Antifa involvement it is a surety that these protests will turn violent/destructive.

The 24 hour news cycle will be broadcasting all the misery 24/7 further feeding the cycle...

Entire systems will begin to struggle to function. In todays environment - how do you run airports without TSA? And thats just one example.

There will be massive riots. And those riots will be the justification for Trump to respond with martial law...to quell the violence.

I expect the media to awaken to this forthcoming reality by about the middle of January. you will start to see/read stories about the Ag dept running out of money and the ramifications to the SNAP crowd...that media awareness will start to make people nervous/scared as the reality of the situation slowly dawns on them...
did you post "essential workers?" If they are essential then why aren't they working? Tell ya what, after their unenjoyment bennies dissipate then they can worry. Until then F'um as they can live the life the rest of us have had to live.
 

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did you post "essential workers?" If they are essential then why aren't they working? Tell ya what, after their unenjoyment bennies dissipate then they can worry. Until then F'um as they can live the life the rest of us have had to live.
There are 2 types of Federal workers... "essential" and "non-essential". Non-essential workers do not report to work and dont get paid - but historically have received all back pay once the shutdown is resolved.

Essential workers on the other hand are required to CONTINUE TO WORK - but dont get paid (just like the non-essential workers).

And they are not entitled to unemployment benefits because they havent been laid off or terminated...
 

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Its already beginning...

First on CNN: Hundreds of TSA screeners, working without pay, calling out sick at major airports
Washington (CNN)Hundreds of Transportation Security Administration officers, who are required to work without paychecks through the partial government shutdown, have called out from work this week from at least four major airports, according to two senior agency officials and three TSA employee union officials.

The mass call outs could inevitably mean air travel is less secure, especially as the shutdown enters its second week with no clear end to the political stalemate in sight.

"This will definitely affect the flying public who we (are) sworn to protect," Hydrick Thomas, president of the national TSA employee union, told CNN.

TSA spokesman Michael Bilello said the agency is "closely monitoring the situation" and that "screening wait times remain well within TSA standards," although that could change if the number of call outs increases.
At New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport, as many as 170 TSA employees have called out each day this week, Thomas tells CNN. Officers from a morning shift were required to work extra hours to cover the gaps.
Call outs have increased by 200%-300% at Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport, where typically 25 to 30 TSA employees call out from an average shift according to a local TSA official familiar with the situation.
Union officials stress that the absences are not part of an organized action, but believe the number of people calling out will likely increase.

"This problem of call outs is really going to explode over the next week or two when employees miss their first paycheck," a union official at Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport told CNN. "TSA officers are telling the union they will find another way to make money. That means calling out to work other jobs."

North Carolina airports, including Charlotte and Raleigh-Durham, have experienced 10% higher TSA call outs, according to Mac Johnson, the local union president. "That number will get worse as this drags on."
The call outs are "creating a vulnerability" and screeners are "doing more with less," Johnson said.
Two of the sources, who are federal officials, described the sick outs as protests of the paycheck delay. One called it the "blue flu," a reference to the blue shirts worn by transportation security officers who screen passengers and baggage at airport security checkpoints.

A union official, however, said that while some employees are upset about the pay, officers have said they are calling in sick for more practical reasons. Single parents can no longer afford child care or they are finding cash-paying jobs outside of government work to pay their rent and other bills, for example.

About a quarter of the government, including TSA and the Department of Homeland Security, have been without funding since December 22. Some 55,000 TSA employees who screen around 800 million passengers a year are considered essential and are among the 420,000 federal workers expected to continue working without pay.

"Call outs began over the Holiday period and have increased, but are causing minimal impact given there are 51,739 employees supporting the screening process," Bilello told CNN in a statement, adding that TSA had screened 2.2 million passengers Thursday and 99.8% waited less than 30 minutes. "Security effectiveness will not be compromised and performance standards will not change."

However, "Wait times may be affected depending on the number of call outs," Bilello said.
"TSA is grateful to the agents who show up to work, remain focused on the mission and respectful to the traveling public as they continue the important work necessary to secure the nation's transportation systems," he said.
TSA previously has said officers will eventually be compensated.

"We've never had a situation where officers did not get paid," TSA Administrator David Pekoske told reporters while demonstrating security procedures at a Washington-area airport days before the shutdown began. He said recent shutdowns have been "of a duration that it doesn't result in a delay in pay."

President Donald Trump and congressional leaders met Friday at the White House and are no closer to resolving the impasse. A shutdown could last months or even years, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer quoted Trump as saying.
How TSA may address the problem
The number of traveling passengers has grown by about 4% each of the last few years, Pekoske said in September. He said the growth "without commensurate increases in the size of our Transportation Security Officer workforce ... has impacted both training and morale."

And TSA is bracing for more call outs next week, according to veteran field officials. That means TSA officials at airports around the country -- cognizant that long security lines frustrate passengers -- could have tough decisions to make, including whether to let passengers board flights with less scrutiny.

The big question is "How are they filling the void?" said one of the veteran TSA officials, voicing concern about the impact on security. "If you're not seeing long wait times at airports, there's something on the security side they're not doing."
Those officials say the potential options airports may use include fewer random pat down security checks on passengers, or giving passengers who have not been vetted for the PreCheck program an expedited screening. Airports struggling to staff checkpoints may also start reducing the number of lanes open to passengers, which will likely mean longer lines and waiting times.

Airports struggling with manpower issues could also opt to loosen standards for checked baggage based on a theory that people would not bring a bomb onto their own flights because the explosion would kill them, too. Known as positive passenger bag match, it presumes that if a passenger checks in and boards the flight, their checked luggage is safe, but some security experts are doubtful it is effective.

There are no indications that any of these measures have been necessary or implemented.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/04/politics/shutdown-tsa-screening/index.html
 

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NOT the one I was looking for and I so hate using wiki-pee-on-on-me but here it is:

When was the last time martial law was declared?
Congress has never declared martial law. However, at the outset of the Civil War, in July 1861, Congress ratified most of the martial law measures declared by President abraham lincoln. Its martial law declaration gave the Union military forces the authority to arrest persons and conduct trials

and, you think them butt heads in the congress will approve this of the motherfucker they want to impeach? Not going to happen.
 

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From what I have always been told we have been in martial law since 1933 when gold was called in and the original government went bankrupt. From what I read, we were never released from martial law since then.
 

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https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/didnt-you-know-we-have-been-under-martial-law-since-march-dadmehr

If you care to learn about what I am saying, you have to first learn about The Rule of Necessity and The War Powers Act to see what really happened back on March 9, 1933, when it was declared National Emergency. Check the US Senate Report No. 93-549 dated 11/19/73 (73 CIS Serial Set S963-2-[607 pages]).

"It is an established fact that the United States Federal Government has been dissolved by the Emergency Banking Act, March 9th, 1933, 48 stat. 1, Public Law 89-719; declared by President Roosevelt, being bankrupt and insolvent, H.J.R. 192, 73rd Congress in session June 5th, 1933 - Joint Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard and Abrogate The Gold Claus dissolved the Sovereign Authority of the United States and the official capacities of all the United States Governmental Offices, Officers, and departments and is further evidence that the United States Federal Government exists today in name only." UNITED STATES CONGRESSIONAL RECORD, MARCH 17TH, 1933 Vol. 33

The US Treasury is now the IMF!

The United States has NOT had a Treasury since 1921 (41 STAT. Ch. 214 page 654)

The United States Department of the Treasury is now the International Monetary Fund Presidential Documents Volume 29 - Number 4 page 113, 22 U.S.C. 285-288), and the International Monetary Fund is a subsidiary of the World Bank.

Under the International Monetary Fund, The Department of Homeland Security (and all of its subsidiaries - TSA, FEMA, Customs Immigration, etc.) is a subsidiary of the United States Secret Service.

The United States Secret Service is a subsidiary of the Treasury Department.

The United States Treasury Department is a subsidiary of the International Monetary Fund.

The Internal Revenue Service is an agency of the International Monetary Fund. (DIVERSIFIED METAL PRODUCTS vs.IRS et al. CV-93-405E-EJE U.S.D.C.D.I., PUBLIC LAW 94-564, SENATE REPORT 94-1148 page 5967, REORGANIZATION PLAN No. 26, Public Law 102-391.)

When we pay taxes on April 15th, 40% goes to The Crown (Queen of England) and then she gives 60% to The Vatican (Pope) because the world is run by Papal Roman Law, Uniform Commercial Code (UCC) CONTRACT LAW. Take your wallet out and notice how everything is in CAPITAL LETTERS.We are fooled into becoming CORPORATIONS (STRAWMAN) so they can tax us and these BANKSTERS are the same 13 Royal Families from Egyptian Times when Jesus overturned the tables in The Temple who went to Europe to become Kings and then America to become Presidents.

It was in 2008 when Ancestory.com came online they realized that all the Presidents were related to each other! Now what are the odds of that???

So the next time you criticize a country, maybe you better learn about the one we had!
 

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Its already beginning...

First on CNN: Hundreds of TSA screeners, working without pay, calling out sick at major airports
Washington (CNN)Hundreds of Transportation Security Administration officers, who are required to work without paychecks through the partial government shutdown, have called out from work this week from at least four major airports, according to two senior agency officials and three TSA employee union officials.

The mass call outs could inevitably mean air travel is less secure, especially as the shutdown enters its second week with no clear end to the political stalemate in sight.

"This will definitely affect the flying public who we (are) sworn to protect," Hydrick Thomas, president of the national TSA employee union, told CNN.

TSA spokesman Michael Bilello said the agency is "closely monitoring the situation" and that "screening wait times remain well within TSA standards," although that could change if the number of call outs increases.
At New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport, as many as 170 TSA employees have called out each day this week, Thomas tells CNN. Officers from a morning shift were required to work extra hours to cover the gaps.
Call outs have increased by 200%-300% at Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport, where typically 25 to 30 TSA employees call out from an average shift according to a local TSA official familiar with the situation.
Union officials stress that the absences are not part of an organized action, but believe the number of people calling out will likely increase.

"This problem of call outs is really going to explode over the next week or two when employees miss their first paycheck," a union official at Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport told CNN. "TSA officers are telling the union they will find another way to make money. That means calling out to work other jobs."

North Carolina airports, including Charlotte and Raleigh-Durham, have experienced 10% higher TSA call outs, according to Mac Johnson, the local union president. "That number will get worse as this drags on."
The call outs are "creating a vulnerability" and screeners are "doing more with less," Johnson said.
Two of the sources, who are federal officials, described the sick outs as protests of the paycheck delay. One called it the "blue flu," a reference to the blue shirts worn by transportation security officers who screen passengers and baggage at airport security checkpoints.

A union official, however, said that while some employees are upset about the pay, officers have said they are calling in sick for more practical reasons. Single parents can no longer afford child care or they are finding cash-paying jobs outside of government work to pay their rent and other bills, for example.

About a quarter of the government, including TSA and the Department of Homeland Security, have been without funding since December 22. Some 55,000 TSA employees who screen around 800 million passengers a year are considered essential and are among the 420,000 federal workers expected to continue working without pay.

"Call outs began over the Holiday period and have increased, but are causing minimal impact given there are 51,739 employees supporting the screening process," Bilello told CNN in a statement, adding that TSA had screened 2.2 million passengers Thursday and 99.8% waited less than 30 minutes. "Security effectiveness will not be compromised and performance standards will not change."

However, "Wait times may be affected depending on the number of call outs," Bilello said.
"TSA is grateful to the agents who show up to work, remain focused on the mission and respectful to the traveling public as they continue the important work necessary to secure the nation's transportation systems," he said.
TSA previously has said officers will eventually be compensated.

"We've never had a situation where officers did not get paid," TSA Administrator David Pekoske told reporters while demonstrating security procedures at a Washington-area airport days before the shutdown began. He said recent shutdowns have been "of a duration that it doesn't result in a delay in pay."

President Donald Trump and congressional leaders met Friday at the White House and are no closer to resolving the impasse. A shutdown could last months or even years, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer quoted Trump as saying.
How TSA may address the problem
The number of traveling passengers has grown by about 4% each of the last few years, Pekoske said in September. He said the growth "without commensurate increases in the size of our Transportation Security Officer workforce ... has impacted both training and morale."

And TSA is bracing for more call outs next week, according to veteran field officials. That means TSA officials at airports around the country -- cognizant that long security lines frustrate passengers -- could have tough decisions to make, including whether to let passengers board flights with less scrutiny.

The big question is "How are they filling the void?" said one of the veteran TSA officials, voicing concern about the impact on security. "If you're not seeing long wait times at airports, there's something on the security side they're not doing."
Those officials say the potential options airports may use include fewer random pat down security checks on passengers, or giving passengers who have not been vetted for the PreCheck program an expedited screening. Airports struggling to staff checkpoints may also start reducing the number of lanes open to passengers, which will likely mean longer lines and waiting times.

Airports struggling with manpower issues could also opt to loosen standards for checked baggage based on a theory that people would not bring a bomb onto their own flights because the explosion would kill them, too. Known as positive passenger bag match, it presumes that if a passenger checks in and boards the flight, their checked luggage is safe, but some security experts are doubtful it is effective.

There are no indications that any of these measures have been necessary or implemented.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/04/politics/shutdown-tsa-screening/index.html

The TSA types calling in sick will make a great experiment. Let us just see how many flights become unsafe without a fully staffed TSA there to protect us all. We might just find they really do not accomplish much of anything except being another control freak Government Agency designed in the usual "never let a crisis go to waste" type of situation by that great President George W Bush.
We have all heard the assorted horror stories of groping, abusive tactics and downright rudeness including those upon children by the Agency's employees. Maybe we will find they are simply just not needed.
Years ago there was a joke about a drunk sitting on a curb in New York City telling a cop upon inquiry that he was chasing away elephants. The cop replied "there are no elephants around here" to which the drunk then said "see what a great job I am doing."
We lived a lot of years without this Governmental body created out of fear and might just find it isn't needed anyway.
 

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The food stamps one is the hinge.
Just saying.
Ever been near a Wally World a few hours b4 the card is funded ?
But, then again,
The politicians, most of them, are so far removed from the common mans type of life they have no clue about how close to the edge people live.
 

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how many government workers can hang on without pay for 2 more years? will they find other jobs? lose their homes? and the doo da's(doo da welfare checks come in today)? how many really need food stamps(ebt cards)? yes they will get pissed off! better to be pissed off than pissed on! i think trump is playing his 4d chess game and sees more than border wall funding on this one. there will be multiple winnings on shutting down the government!
https://www.britannica.com/topic/martial-law
Martial law, temporary rule by military authorities of a designated area in time of emergency when the civil authorities are deemed unable to function. The legal effects of a declaration of martial law differ in various jurisdictions, but they generally involve a suspension of normal civil rights and the extension to the civilian population of summary military justice or of military law. Although temporary in theory, a state of martial law may in fact continue indefinitely.

In the English legal system, the term is of dubious significance; in the words of the English jurist Sir Frederick Pollock, “so-called ‘martial law,’ as distinct from military law, is an unlucky name for the justification by the common law of acts done by necessity for the defence of the Commonwealth when there is war within the realm.”

Such “acts done by necessity” are limited only by international law and the conventions of civilized warfare. Further, the regular civil courts do not review the decisions of tribunals set up by the military authorities, and very little authority exists on the question of remedies against abuse of powers by the military. In Great Britain and many other jurisdictions, such questions are of little significance in view of the modern practice of taking emergency or special powers by statute.
 

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Plenty of help wanted signs out there so if people really want to eat then they might have to go to work for a change. There's about 40 million on food stamps. Probably have of them are selling them off anyway and don't really need them. The other 1/2 will work or find another way to eat and then there are a few percentage of people who really need them. Hopefully friends, family and charities will step up.
I have neighbors on the stamps. I qualify since I don't work and don't have any income. I just could never get myself to sign up for government cheese. Not my thing. Neighbors have a different mentality and sign up for everything they are "entitled" to. It may be a wakeup call for some but I don't see them out protesting. Not gonna drag the kids out in the cold to protest and at the end of the day still go hungry.

Airlines worked fine without TSA, pretty sure they are about as useless as teets on a bull.

IRS not going to issue refunds? Good, maybe people will wake up and stop over paying on their taxes to begin with.

I'm ok with a shut down. I'm ok with suffering for those who would otherwise be bleeding the system dry. People need a wake up call and maybe this will shake them into action.
 

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There are 2 types of Federal workers... "essential" and "non-essential". Non-essential workers do not report to work and dont get paid - but historically have received all back pay once the shutdown is resolved.

Essential workers on the other hand are required to CONTINUE TO WORK - but dont get paid (just like the non-essential workers).

And they are not entitled to unemployment benefits because they havent been laid off or terminated...
At West Point, we were all declared essential and told to come in or be fired, I wonder what happens when the service academies shut down, or will they bring in troops?
 

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At West Point, we were all declared essential and told to come in or be fired, I wonder what happens when the service academies shut down, or will they bring in troops?
This shutdown is only part of the government. The military (and I assume via extension the academies) are already funded through Sept 30.
 

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Its already beginning...

First on CNN: Hundreds of TSA screeners, working without pay, calling out sick at major airports
Washington (CNN)Hundreds of Transportation Security Administration officers, who are required to work without paychecks through the partial government shutdown, have called out from work this week from at least four major airports, according to two senior agency officials and three TSA employee union officials.

The mass call outs could inevitably mean air travel is less secure, especially as the shutdown enters its second week with no clear end to the political stalemate in sight.

"This will definitely affect the flying public who we (are) sworn to protect," Hydrick Thomas, president of the national TSA employee union, told CNN.

TSA spokesman Michael Bilello said the agency is "closely monitoring the situation" and that "screening wait times remain well within TSA standards," although that could change if the number of call outs increases.
At New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport, as many as 170 TSA employees have called out each day this week, Thomas tells CNN. Officers from a morning shift were required to work extra hours to cover the gaps.
Call outs have increased by 200%-300% at Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport, where typically 25 to 30 TSA employees call out from an average shift according to a local TSA official familiar with the situation.
Union officials stress that the absences are not part of an organized action, but believe the number of people calling out will likely increase.

"This problem of call outs is really going to explode over the next week or two when employees miss their first paycheck," a union official at Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport told CNN. "TSA officers are telling the union they will find another way to make money. That means calling out to work other jobs."

North Carolina airports, including Charlotte and Raleigh-Durham, have experienced 10% higher TSA call outs, according to Mac Johnson, the local union president. "That number will get worse as this drags on."
The call outs are "creating a vulnerability" and screeners are "doing more with less," Johnson said.
Two of the sources, who are federal officials, described the sick outs as protests of the paycheck delay. One called it the "blue flu," a reference to the blue shirts worn by transportation security officers who screen passengers and baggage at airport security checkpoints.

A union official, however, said that while some employees are upset about the pay, officers have said they are calling in sick for more practical reasons. Single parents can no longer afford child care or they are finding cash-paying jobs outside of government work to pay their rent and other bills, for example.

About a quarter of the government, including TSA and the Department of Homeland Security, have been without funding since December 22. Some 55,000 TSA employees who screen around 800 million passengers a year are considered essential and are among the 420,000 federal workers expected to continue working without pay.

"Call outs began over the Holiday period and have increased, but are causing minimal impact given there are 51,739 employees supporting the screening process," Bilello told CNN in a statement, adding that TSA had screened 2.2 million passengers Thursday and 99.8% waited less than 30 minutes. "Security effectiveness will not be compromised and performance standards will not change."

However, "Wait times may be affected depending on the number of call outs," Bilello said.
"TSA is grateful to the agents who show up to work, remain focused on the mission and respectful to the traveling public as they continue the important work necessary to secure the nation's transportation systems," he said.
TSA previously has said officers will eventually be compensated.

"We've never had a situation where officers did not get paid," TSA Administrator David Pekoske told reporters while demonstrating security procedures at a Washington-area airport days before the shutdown began. He said recent shutdowns have been "of a duration that it doesn't result in a delay in pay."

President Donald Trump and congressional leaders met Friday at the White House and are no closer to resolving the impasse. A shutdown could last months or even years, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer quoted Trump as saying.
How TSA may address the problem
The number of traveling passengers has grown by about 4% each of the last few years, Pekoske said in September. He said the growth "without commensurate increases in the size of our Transportation Security Officer workforce ... has impacted both training and morale."

And TSA is bracing for more call outs next week, according to veteran field officials. That means TSA officials at airports around the country -- cognizant that long security lines frustrate passengers -- could have tough decisions to make, including whether to let passengers board flights with less scrutiny.

The big question is "How are they filling the void?" said one of the veteran TSA officials, voicing concern about the impact on security. "If you're not seeing long wait times at airports, there's something on the security side they're not doing."
Those officials say the potential options airports may use include fewer random pat down security checks on passengers, or giving passengers who have not been vetted for the PreCheck program an expedited screening. Airports struggling to staff checkpoints may also start reducing the number of lanes open to passengers, which will likely mean longer lines and waiting times.

Airports struggling with manpower issues could also opt to loosen standards for checked baggage based on a theory that people would not bring a bomb onto their own flights because the explosion would kill them, too. Known as positive passenger bag match, it presumes that if a passenger checks in and boards the flight, their checked luggage is safe, but some security experts are doubtful it is effective.

There are no indications that any of these measures have been necessary or implemented.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/04/politics/shutdown-tsa-screening/index.html
This is fake news according to TSA

In a tweet, DHS spokesman Tyler Houlton accused the network of failing to validate its data and not reaching out to agency officials for verification.

"More #FakeNews from @CNN. Security operations at airports have not been impacted by a non-existent sick out. CNN has the cell numbers of multiple @TSA public affairs professionals, but rather than validate statistics, they grossly misrepresented them," the tweet read.
 

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Trump already tipped his plan

This morning he answered a reporters question, that he would just declare a national emergency and build the wall regardless of what Congress had to say. He said he’d rather try negotiation first ;)
 

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This shutdown is only part of the government. The military (and I assume via extension the academies) are already funded through Sept 30.
You are right, they missed West Point this time around...
 

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"This problem of call outs is really going to explode over the next week or two when employees miss their first paycheck," a union official at Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport told CNN. "TSA officers are telling the union they will find another way to make money. \

So none have missed a paycheck yet are calling out in droves , sure thats not a sick out is it, fkin TSA useless pos
 

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"This problem of call outs is really going to explode over the next week or two when employees miss their first paycheck," a union official at Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport told CNN. "TSA officers are telling the union they will find another way to make money. \

So none have missed a paycheck yet are calling out in droves , sure thats not a sick out is it, fkin TSA useless pos
They have been told they won't be paid till the government gets over their hissyfit, why should they work for free...
 

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From what I have always been told we have been in martial law since 1933 when gold was called in and the original government went bankrupt. From what I read, we were never released from martial law since then.
That explains why the rule of law no longer applies in our courts and on our streets
 

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This is fake news according to TSA

In a tweet, DHS spokesman Tyler Houlton accused the network of failing to validate its data and not reaching out to agency officials for verification.

"More #FakeNews from @CNN. Security operations at airports have not been impacted by a non-existent sick out. CNN has the cell numbers of multiple @TSA public affairs professionals, but rather than validate statistics, they grossly misrepresented them," the tweet read.
It would not surprise me if they force the people to come in because if they did not show up it would show, as I posted before, that we do not need the TSA to begin with. That agency is simply another form of taking away our freedoms based upon the numerous abuse stories abounding various news sources. More big Government control thanks to the Busch family's utilization of a crisis, that was possibly staged, once again.
 
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I have told you guys previously that I dont think Trump is gonna give in on his demands regarding building the wall. After todays press conference - I am more assured that my initial assessment was right. TRUMP WILL NOT GIVE IN.

And neither will Pelosi/Schumer...

So that leaves us with a partially shut down government where food stamps/SNAP benefits will run out by the end of January (estimate) and lots of "essential Federal workers" are working but not being paid. This will cause enormous problems as time goes by because mortgages cant be closed, airport security will cease to function, etc...

As we approach February and assuming there isnt a deal reached - things are gonna get HOT. Massive protests...finger pointing...civil unrest.

Millions and millions of Americans will lose their access to food. Let that sink in for a minute...

Civil unrest - the likes of which we havent seen before in this country are coming SOON. Antifa is gonna be front and center in these protests...

And that civil unrest is going to usher in martial law. And once that happens - all bets are off on where things spiral out of control from there...

I am 100% convinced that Trump team has been planning this for quite a while - even down to which departments/agencies will be effected by the shutdown - all to maximize the pain - specifically on the Democrats.

What Trump ultimately wants is for Pelosi/Schumer to cave...to crumble...to acquiesce to his demands.

And I believe he will win. All he has to do is not give in and stay the course. His reelection in 2020 depends on the wall getting built and he knows it.
I'd say your right. Couple it a super spike in food and gas prices too. I'd say we will know why we all got the president alert text test a few months back.

A mess is comming.
 

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Bring back the bread & soup lines. Kinda hard to feel sorry for anyone standing in line in there $150 air Jordans playing on there $800 phone.
Exposes them for what they really are. Not quite as snazzy as using your ebt card so people don't know your a free loader!
 

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Bring back the bread & soup lines. Kinda hard to feel sorry for anyone standing in line in there $150 air Jordans playing on there $800 phone.
Exposes them for what they really are. Not quite as snazzy as using your ebt card so people don't know your a free loader!
Then and only then will you see the 'blood in the streets' part of the American revolution. Right now we're only in the 'whining and crying while the commies slowly take over' part!
 

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This is fake news according to TSA

In a tweet, DHS spokesman Tyler Houlton accused the network of failing to validate its data and not reaching out to agency officials for verification.

"More #FakeNews from @CNN. Security operations at airports have not been impacted by a non-existent sick out. CNN has the cell numbers of multiple @TSA public affairs professionals, but rather than validate statistics, they grossly misrepresented them," the tweet read.
Not defending CNN - but the "rebuttal" doesnt specifically address whether or not 200+ people didnt show up to work...
 

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You better hope that martial law followed by the second American revolution doesnt occur... Revolutions serve to reorganize both the political & economic systems. A revolution would serve to obviate and shut down the SSI trust fund, IOW the SSI entitlements would be terminated. I can certainly understand why special interests may want to see such an outcome. First, the common people dont possess the adequate wealth to rebalance the SSI trust fund, hence the only means of preventing the trust fund from insolvency is to tax the elites wealth & wealth generators (stocks, bonds & real property). They will of course resist such new expanded taxation upon their financial interests.... A revolution would also cause a major crash in sovereign & corporate bonds, pension funds, savings & the banking system would be wiped out along with most of the national debt. A global depression would induce worldwide hunger, starvation, poverty, disease, etc... the entire world would need to be reorganized which requires a decade or two to accomplish..... careful what you wish for!!!

In the mean time, send TPTB, the communists, socialists & the thieves a powerful message....

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You better hope that martial law followed by the second American revolution doesnt occur... Revolutions serve to reorganize both the political & economic systems. A revolution would serve to obviate and shut down the SSI trust fund, IOW the SSI entitlements would be terminated. I can certainly understand why special interests may want to see such an outcome. First, the common people dont possess the adequate wealth to rebalance the SSI trust fund, hence the only means of preventing the trust fund from insolvency is to tax the elites wealth & wealth generators (stocks, bonds & real property). They will of course resist such new expanded taxation upon their financial interests.... A revolution would also cause a major crash in sovereign & corporate bonds, pension funds, savings & the banking system would be wiped out along with most of the national debt. A global depression would induce worldwide hunger, starvation, poverty, disease, etc... the entire world would need to be reorganized which requires a decade or two to accomplish..... careful what you wish for!!!

In the mean time, send TPTB, the communists, socialists & the thieves a powerful message....

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You better hope that martial law followed by the second American revolution doesnt occur... Revolutions serve to reorganize both the political & economic systems. A revolution would serve to obviate and shut down the SSI trust fund, IOW the SSI entitlements would be terminated. I can certainly understand why special interests may want to see such an outcome. First, the common people dont possess the adequate wealth to rebalance the SSI trust fund, hence the only means of preventing the trust fund from insolvency is to tax the elites wealth & wealth generators (stocks, bonds & real property). They will of course resist such new expanded taxation upon their financial interests.... A revolution would also cause a major crash in sovereign & corporate bonds, pension funds, savings & the banking system would be wiped out along with most of the national debt. A global depression would induce worldwide hunger, starvation, poverty, disease, etc... the entire world would need to be reorganized which requires a decade or two to accomplish..... careful what you wish for!!!

In the mean time, send TPTB, the communists, socialists & the thieves a powerful message....

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a late friend once told me that he had 5 guns but no ammo. i told him he could use 'em as clubs!?
 

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I have told you guys previously that I dont think Trump is gonna give in on his demands regarding building the wall. After todays press conference - I am more assured that my initial assessment was right. TRUMP WILL NOT GIVE IN.

And neither will Pelosi/Schumer...

So that leaves us with a partially shut down government where food stamps/SNAP benefits will run out by the end of January (estimate) and lots of "essential Federal workers" are working but not being paid. This will cause enormous problems as time goes by because mortgages cant be closed, airport security will cease to function, etc...

As we approach February and assuming there isnt a deal reached - things are gonna get HOT. Massive protests...finger pointing...civil unrest.

Millions and millions of Americans will lose their access to food. Let that sink in for a minute...

Civil unrest - the likes of which we havent seen before in this country are coming SOON. Antifa is gonna be front and center in these protests...

And that civil unrest is going to usher in martial law. And once that happens - all bets are off on where things spiral out of control from there...

I am 100% convinced that Trump team has been planning this for quite a while - even down to which departments/agencies will be effected by the shutdown - all to maximize the pain - specifically on the Democrats.

What Trump ultimately wants is for Pelosi/Schumer to cave...to crumble...to acquiesce to his demands.

And I believe he will win. All he has to do is not give in and stay the course. His reelection in 2020 depends on the wall getting built and he knows it.
Authoritarian playbook 101.
Create a crisis, provoke a reaction and then crackdown.

Most Americans think the wall is stupid. He isn't getting reelected whether he build it or not.
His freedom from future indictments depends on weaponizing his base so the Republican Senate doesn't turn against him.

But as long as we are talking about the wall we aren't talking about Trump National managers handing out fake green cards to illegal workers, or the Mueller investigation, or the Trump foundation investigation, the crashing stock market, his losing trade wars, Kelly or Mathis's resignations, or ethics scandal du jour among his cabinet appointees.

It's a desperate gambit, but Trump isn't holding a good hand and all he can do is bluff with scary talk of shutting down the government for years. He's a cornered animal and he knows it.
 

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In any case, Trump sure pissed off a lot of voters for 2020, but watch the Demoncrats blow this anyhow with gun control.